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The Man Who Knew Too Little
« on: March 11, 2018, 09:55:26 AM »
I feel it's very important to act on democracy, and to monitor one's investments, but otherwise I'm giddy about this fella :)
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/10/style/the-man-who-knew-too-little.html

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Re: The Man Who Knew Too Little
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2018, 10:59:49 AM »
> For a guy who has gone to great lengths to essentially plug his ears, Mr. Hagerman sure does talk a lot.

So, like 75% of every internet user ever?

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Re: The Man Who Knew Too Little
« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2018, 11:11:21 AM »
He's fortunate to have the means to do this. He's also fortunate to not have a need for news and to keep on top of law changes.

He's a profoundly privileged person, to be sure. Personally, I prefer we use privilege to maintain democracy, protect important policies, work for better laws, etc, but I do love the other legacy he's creating too.

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Re: The Man Who Knew Too Little
« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2018, 03:30:52 PM »
The only way he could be more mustachian is if he rode his bicycle to the coffee shop.

Aside from the blockade, which might be more trouble than it's worth, this guy's life seems pretty dreamy to me, especially spending his time creating art.

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Re: The Man Who Knew Too Little
« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2018, 04:02:21 PM »
That sounds amazing.

I agree with the need to monitor investments, but that could be as simple as checking a statement every year and rebalancing or adjusting spending rates as needed.

The democracy issue is harder to reconcile, but maybe one could at least take ~23 month breaks, and then spend one miserable month coming up to speed on the information necessary to make an informed decision on who to vote for every two years?

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Re: The Man Who Knew Too Little
« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2018, 06:04:42 PM »
He reminds me of those Japanese soldiers who pretended the war was still going so they wouldn't have to surrender.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_holdout

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Re: The Man Who Knew Too Little
« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2018, 06:54:38 PM »
Also very similar to cloistered religious. I read a fascinating book by a British woman who left a nunnery where she had been a member for close to 30 years--right in the middle of WWII. Her descriptions of, basically, time travel were really interesting..."I Leap Over the Wall" by Monica Baldwin.

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Re: The Man Who Knew Too Little
« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2018, 08:53:02 PM »
Neat to hear about additional interesting arrangements!

I agree with the need to monitor investments, but that could be as simple as checking a statement every year and rebalancing or adjusting spending rates as needed.

I was concerned more with handing everything off to another party. Sometimes investment professionals screw up, buy crazy things, invest too conservatively, lose a bunch of the person's money. If I were going to hand it all off, I would want to keep an eye on what Pro Dude is doing.

The democracy issue is harder to reconcile, but maybe one could at least take ~23 month breaks, and then spend one miserable month coming up to speed on the information necessary to make an informed decision on who to vote for every two years?

Hopefully a person does much more than vote -we can all work to change laws, run interference for newly vulnerable people, raise awareness and funds for the life-or-death matters others are facing, etc.

Otherwise, I wish very much to marry this person!

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Re: The Man Who Knew Too Little
« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2018, 03:48:25 AM »
Interesting concept.

I also heard a podcast from a close to FIRE man who decided not to read the news. He said that you pick up the big things anyway, because people around you tell you. But you don't need to spend time every day to read papers and watch the news. To drop this will relieve you from stress.

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Re: The Man Who Knew Too Little
« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2018, 10:06:50 AM »
I want to be like him when I FIRE (well, minus the unreasonable demands that no one discuss current events in my presence, but you know, within reason). Right now, my job requires that I keep up-do-date on current events, so a low-information diet is not really an option, but I really don't think political awareness/activism is required to be a force for good in the world, especially when it turns you into a bitter and cynical person, as it seems to have done for so many people.

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Re: The Man Who Knew Too Little
« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2018, 10:16:59 AM »
...I really don't think political awareness/activism is required to be a force for good in the world, especially when it turns you into a bitter and cynical person, as it seems to have done for so many people.

If it does that, we're doing it wrong ;)   

All my favourite people are active this way. They are also very funny, goofy, affectionate, etc. It makes a big difference to include lots of stuff like meditation, singing, sleep, eating optimally, etc, to balance and always be healing. Granted, they don't need to be taking in the news for this particular work -they get their info through their experience and work, and ultimately become the news. (Think Gabor Mate.) I think that's the better way to go.

Though I'm thrown by the low info diet idea in general. Do people not also seek to help find a missing person, address local water issues, donate to a family that just lost everything, etc? Ditto issues reaching a wider circle. I check the news a couple of times per day, because it tips me off to things I can help with. I don't become depressed by listening and helping; I become engaged.

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Re: The Man Who Knew Too Little
« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2018, 12:45:13 PM »
...I really don't think political awareness/activism is required to be a force for good in the world, especially when it turns you into a bitter and cynical person, as it seems to have done for so many people.

If it does that, we're doing it wrong ;)   

All my favourite people are active this way. They are also very funny, goofy, affectionate, etc. It makes a big difference to include lots of stuff like meditation, singing, sleep, eating optimally, etc, to balance and always be healing. Granted, they don't need to be taking in the news for this particular work -they get their info through their experience and work, and ultimately become the news. (Think Gabor Mate.) I think that's the better way to go.

Though I'm thrown by the low info diet idea in general. Do people not also seek to help find a missing person, address local water issues, donate to a family that just lost everything, etc? Ditto issues reaching a wider circle. I check the news a couple of times per day, because it tips me off to things I can help with. I don't become depressed by listening and helping; I become engaged.

No, NPR, CNN, and Fox News do not help me do any of the specific things you suggested. I can, however, find out about all of these things by talking to my family and neighbors. Good for you if you can consume the news and use it as a motivator for positive action. I'm glad people like you exist. I have to do what makes sense for me, and frankly I don't take any pleasure or benefit from being as "informed" as I am expected to be. I'm not trying to convince you to give up the news. Is it ok that we're different?

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Re: The Man Who Knew Too Little
« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2018, 02:11:30 PM »
This dude lives the dream.

Also, bro is in his fifties? Damn, he looks pretty good.

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Re: The Man Who Knew Too Little
« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2018, 07:21:03 PM »
Wow, I have a serious crush on this guy.

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Re: The Man Who Knew Too Little
« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2018, 08:50:35 PM »
No, NPR, CNN, and Fox News do not help me do any of the specific things you suggested.

I find the same, so I don't consume those. I think we can consume judiciously -choosing accurate sources of news relevant to us and those around us.

I can, however, find out about all of these things by talking to my family and neighbors.

This is awesome! I don't have this option. This sounds good too.

Is it ok that we're different?

Yep!

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Re: The Man Who Knew Too Little
« Reply #15 on: March 12, 2018, 08:51:14 PM »
Me too.  It reminded me of David Bamberger, a guy that bought 5,500 acres of overgrazed land in Texas Hill Country and restored to its original habitat.

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Re: The Man Who Knew Too Little
« Reply #16 on: March 12, 2018, 08:52:12 PM »
Also, bro is in his fifties? Damn, he looks pretty good.

lol, yep. So many reasons to have a crush.

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Re: The Man Who Knew Too Little
« Reply #17 on: March 28, 2018, 03:22:03 PM »
He disengaged.
Like a spoiled brat that didn't get his way.
Throwing out your quarterly income statements is arrogant in the extreme, childish even, potentially damaging to his wealth and livelihood.

We all wish we could run away from reality.
Good for him that he can afford to live his life on his own terms.
 
I do love his new project at the lake.
We are social animals, but we all know that abstinence, separation and meditation can heal and strengthen us. It is a luxury to have an escape from day to day life - especially when it involves stressful jobs and noisy towns.

It will be interesting to see how the land restoration and unique art infusion turns out.
Perhaps, in time, he can do a lot of good for both humans and the environment through this project.
I would be impressed with that action and I love the irony that a profound, artistic, environmental approach is prompted by Trump!

Calling it living a liberal fantasy is absurd.
He is simply living the good life because he can:)

He does look good for a 50yr old in an ascetic sort of way, which may well be in his nature and make him even more attractive to some.

In truth, I suspect that Trump's election definitely had an unprecedented domino effect. People see the world differently now and are moved to act for the first time in decades. Some stood up to fight, some turned away in protest and some are slowly entering the fray. I also know plenty who were happy to see it. Some are frozen in fear - I do hope in my heart that this man is not one of them.
I'd rather stay tuned in and informed, now more than ever, which does not prevent me from taking my own actions, prompted by this election.

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Reading through my post I realized I am rather harsh on him, but it is my gut reaction to this article, so I'll let it stand. I will say that he may, in reality, be quite different from how he is portrayed in this article, but I can't tell if he walked away in disgust, had a near breakdown - their use of the word shattered by Trump's victory led me to believe that or if it was simply the last straw for someone fed up with the world at large.
Either way - thanks for the interesting article jooni. A reflection of our times ...
 

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Re: The Man Who Knew Too Little
« Reply #18 on: March 28, 2018, 04:39:57 PM »
I saw the article last week. Strange, it feels like as he pulled away from the world I did the opposite.  I lived a life where I felt it was sufficient to do small good things for family, friends, and church. I was proud to be politically independent and to be detached. It was a good life but ultimately self-indulgent, shortsighted, and not in keeping with my values.


In truth, I suspect that Trump's election definitely had an unprecedented domino effect. People see the world differently now and are moved to act for the first time in decades. Some stood up to fight, some turned away in protest and some are slowly entering the fray. I also know plenty who were happy to see it. Some are frozen in fear - I do hope in my heart that this man is not one of them.
I'd rather stay tuned in and informed, now more than ever, which does not prevent me from taking my own actions, prompted by this election.

Me too, Rosy!

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Re: The Man Who Knew Too Little
« Reply #19 on: March 28, 2018, 04:50:09 PM »
I thought this was going to be about the Bill Murray movie.  You should all watch that instead.  It's hilarious.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120483

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Re: The Man Who Knew Too Little
« Reply #20 on: March 29, 2018, 07:03:20 AM »
I saw the article last week. Strange, it feels like as he pulled away from the world I did the opposite.  I lived a life where I felt it was sufficient to do small good things for family, friends, and church. I was proud to be politically independent and to be detached. It was a good life but ultimately self-indulgent, shortsighted, and not in keeping with my values.


In truth, I suspect that Trump's election definitely had an unprecedented domino effect. People see the world differently now and are moved to act for the first time in decades. Some stood up to fight, some turned away in protest and some are slowly entering the fray. I also know plenty who were happy to see it. Some are frozen in fear - I do hope in my heart that this man is not one of them.
I'd rather stay tuned in and informed, now more than ever, which does not prevent me from taking my own actions, prompted by this election.

Me too, Rosy!

You nailed it, poundwise!

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Re: The Man Who Knew Too Little
« Reply #21 on: March 29, 2018, 08:22:56 AM »
 I inadvertently managed a version of this years ago when stationed overseas. It was bliss. I simply had other things going on. I highly recommend detaching from TV and advertising if you can.

These days doing this would be much harder. In (my) real life nobody would respect a news blockade like the people in the article. 

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Re: The Man Who Knew Too Little
« Reply #22 on: March 29, 2018, 01:41:39 PM »
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In (my) real life nobody would respect a news blockade like the people in the article. 

No problem. When people start talking, just zone out. It's how my wife doesn't know a single player on the Bulls, even if the people around her talk about them pretty frequently. :)

Nod nod, yes, of course, but how is the weather?

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Re: The Man Who Knew Too Little
« Reply #23 on: March 29, 2018, 02:05:47 PM »
I do prefer people participate fully in democracy -because it takes sheer numbers and every voice to work- but I do also believe that there are ways beside (informal or formal) social work, etc, to be a positive force in the world, and I love what this dude has chosen to put his energy into.

Sometimes a person needs some time out. To ensure their psychological survival, to replenish after a tough go, to prepare for their next wave of work. I don't see this guy as checking out -at all. I see him as making choices. The T thing was too much for him personally, and this was the time he needed to take out.

I think consciously choosing a break is very different from checking out, disengaging, shutting down. And I think consciously choosing a break, and creating its structure, is super important for living well long term.

From my reading, Dude doesn't seem frozen in fear. He seems relaxed, reengaged with the deeper world, happy, creative, healthy, eager to offer a wonderful gift.

I'm very glad (relieved!) that so many other people found this was a time they could wrap up their own break and engage more, though.

It's how my wife doesn't know a single player on the Bulls...

lol!