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« Reply #50 on: April 22, 2019, 10:24:10 AM »

My MVP for this episode: Brienne. Her reaction to being knighted was probably one of my favorite moments in the entire series. True, I think it seals her fate, but it was an epic scene.

And the runner up is Jamie, who completed his redemption by knighting Brienne. 

Honorable mention to Bran who had a couple great lines.  When Jamie was defending his prior actions to Sansa and Dany, Bran interjected "The things we do for love."  Which is the same thing that Jamie said when he pushed Bran out the window.  Another one was when Jamie asked Bran how things turn out afterwards and Bran says "How do you know there is an afterwards?”  Awkward silence follows.


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« Reply #51 on: April 22, 2019, 10:26:15 AM »
Felt like a second “setup” episode in a row. But that might be the best setup in the history of TV. We were reminded why we love so many of these characters - some I’ve been following since ‘96 - and now we are prepared to have our hearts ripped out I expect.

And did anyone else notice the Ghost cameo?

And well done Arya and Gendry. And Brienne...felt like I had something in my eye during that scene. ;)

Love that they got Tormund’s “Giantsbane” backstory in there. That’s the kind of fan service I devour greedily.


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« Reply #52 on: April 22, 2019, 12:22:37 PM »
And did anyone else notice the Ghost cameo?

And well done Arya and Gendry.
Yeah, Ghost looked small and had no interactions.  Wish they could've done a little more there but ah well, great episode.  The audience knows a lot of information at this point and am glad they can imply things we already know without having to spell it out between every character that was previously in the dark about something.  e.g. Jon saying his mother died giving birth with all the bloody details didn't come from Sam, obviously he has chatted in depth with Bran about things even though they haven't shown Bran talking with anyone except Tyrion this past ep.

Glad Ned and Robert finally "joined their houses", especially since Joff didn't even have his DNA. ;-) 

I'm betting something is going to occur next ep that doesn't bring a conclusion to the White Walkers.  I mean, they were the real threat in the pilot episode and their mythology and background has been teased - would be a letdown if they get wiped out in a single episode and it's back to humans squabbling with other humans. 

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I'm prepared to say goodbye to Tormund, Jorah, Beric, Theon, and Grey Worm next ep - should be brutal! Pod, Davos, Gendry, and Sandor are quite possible, too.

In the preview for next week it looked like Jon drawing his sword in the godswood, presumably to take on the NK after Theon has just died protecting Bran if I had to guess.  I don't think it ends there.  Something either with the crypts (seriously, they mentioned the crypts too often and with the book foreshadowing of the statues seeming to watch passerbys and Robb and Jon's dreams, I feel like something supernatural will happen down there), Bran, dragon-riding, Jon/Daeny, or some combo will create a diversion.  We know Bran is the NK target, if he gets whisked away by Jon or Daeny on a dragon to KL or somewhere south with the NK in tow - does that save Winterfell (since the wights raised by NK would follow) and hold off the White Walker question until the finale? 

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« Reply #53 on: April 22, 2019, 12:49:23 PM »
And did anyone else notice the Ghost cameo?

And well done Arya and Gendry.
Yeah, Ghost looked small and had no interactions.  Wish they could've done a little more there but ah well, great episode.  The audience knows a lot of information at this point and am glad they can imply things we already know without having to spell it out between every character that was previously in the dark about something.  e.g. Jon saying his mother died giving birth with all the bloody details didn't come from Sam, obviously he has chatted in depth with Bran about things even though they haven't shown Bran talking with anyone except Tyrion this past ep.

Glad Ned and Robert finally "joined their houses", especially since Joff didn't even have his DNA. ;-) 

I'm betting something is going to occur next ep that doesn't bring a conclusion to the White Walkers.  I mean, they were the real threat in the pilot episode and their mythology and background has been teased - would be a letdown if they get wiped out in a single episode and it's back to humans squabbling with other humans. 

Spoiler: show

I'm prepared to say goodbye to Tormund, Jorah, Beric, Theon, and Grey Worm next ep - should be brutal! Pod, Davos, Gendry, and Sandor are quite possible, too.

In the preview for next week it looked like Jon drawing his sword in the godswood, presumably to take on the NK after Theon has just died protecting Bran if I had to guess.  I don't think it ends there.  Something either with the crypts (seriously, they mentioned the crypts too often and with the book foreshadowing of the statues seeming to watch passerbys and Robb and Jon's dreams, I feel like something supernatural will happen down there), Bran, dragon-riding, Jon/Daeny, or some combo will create a diversion.  We know Bran is the NK target, if he gets whisked away by Jon or Daeny on a dragon to KL or somewhere south with the NK in tow - does that save Winterfell (since the wights raised by NK would follow) and hold off the White Walker question until the finale? 


Spoiler: show
I fully expect the night king will resurrect the bones of all the dead starks resting in the crypts, who will kill off a bunch of the innocents hiding there.



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« Reply #54 on: April 22, 2019, 01:40:36 PM »
And did anyone else notice the Ghost cameo?

And well done Arya and Gendry.
Yeah, Ghost looked small and had no interactions.  Wish they could've done a little more there but ah well, great episode.  The audience knows a lot of information at this point and am glad they can imply things we already know without having to spell it out between every character that was previously in the dark about something.  e.g. Jon saying his mother died giving birth with all the bloody details didn't come from Sam, obviously he has chatted in depth with Bran about things even though they haven't shown Bran talking with anyone except Tyrion this past ep.

Glad Ned and Robert finally "joined their houses", especially since Joff didn't even have his DNA. ;-) 

I'm betting something is going to occur next ep that doesn't bring a conclusion to the White Walkers.  I mean, they were the real threat in the pilot episode and their mythology and background has been teased - would be a letdown if they get wiped out in a single episode and it's back to humans squabbling with other humans. 

Spoiler: show

I'm prepared to say goodbye to Tormund, Jorah, Beric, Theon, and Grey Worm next ep - should be brutal! Pod, Davos, Gendry, and Sandor are quite possible, too.

In the preview for next week it looked like Jon drawing his sword in the godswood, presumably to take on the NK after Theon has just died protecting Bran if I had to guess.  I don't think it ends there.  Something either with the crypts (seriously, they mentioned the crypts too often and with the book foreshadowing of the statues seeming to watch passerbys and Robb and Jon's dreams, I feel like something supernatural will happen down there), Bran, dragon-riding, Jon/Daeny, or some combo will create a diversion.  We know Bran is the NK target, if he gets whisked away by Jon or Daeny on a dragon to KL or somewhere south with the NK in tow - does that save Winterfell (since the wights raised by NK would follow) and hold off the White Walker question until the finale? 


Spoiler: show
I fully expect the night king will resurrect the bones of all the dead starks resting in the crypts, who will kill off a bunch of the innocents hiding there.





If anything I suspect it will be the opposite.  The Starks go back to the first men and have some special powers surrounding their family, as seen with Benjen.  Several youtubers also have this speculation.

Cersei also had a line from the first season "I thought the ghost of Lyanna Stark could no longer haunt me" (not exact quote, going off memory).  This could be a reference to Jon Stark or it could be a reference to something else, maybe even your speculation.



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« Reply #55 on: April 22, 2019, 10:32:30 PM »
It's seemed pretty likely for awhile that some major (or at least well-loved) characters will get killed off in next week's big battle scene...but what I hadn't thought of until I read an article about it was that it's likely that some of them will come back as wights on the Night King's side. So I predict that there will be at least one death of someone who would be really tragic as an ice zombie and hard for the survivors to kill--someone like Tormund, or Missandei, or Lyanna Mormont

I actually don't think Jaime is on the chopping block in this battle, because he still has unfinished business with Cersei that I think the show will want to wrap up--but Brienne, Podrick, Gendry, Ser Davos--all those folks have a better than even chance of getting killed off.

(Not sure about Sam...originally I would have put him on that list too, but it seems like there also might be unfinished business with Dany over her execution of his father and brother.)

What I am really curious about is how they intend to resolve the battle with the Night King, since ALL the major characters other than Cersei are now at Winterfell...ie, if he wins, they all get killed off, but the third episode seems early to kill off the enemy who was literally set up in the first minutes of the show. It doesn't seem like there are partial successes against the Night King.

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« Reply #56 on: April 23, 2019, 06:05:12 AM »
Good point about the Night King, Noodle. You’re right that if they don’t win that battle, I don’t know how there’s an episode 4. Unless they lose, and the last episodes are about Cersei, Yara, Euron, etc.
which doesn’t seem very satisfactory at all for viewers.

Hm.

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« Reply #57 on: April 23, 2019, 06:53:28 AM »
I also keep wondering if they will wrap up the ice walkers in just a single 80-minute episode.

On one hand, that seems really quick, considering they've been the real "Big Bad" since the very beginning.

On the other hand, if it takes two episodes to dispatch them, then that leaves only one episode to transition EVERYTHING down to Kings Landing and resolve ALL of those issues, and then one episode to put a bow on everything and let us know what all the surviving characters will be doing. Those last two episodes would seem very rushed.

I have no idea how they're going to do it.

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« Reply #58 on: April 23, 2019, 07:27:36 AM »
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I actually don't think Jaime is on the chopping block in this battle,

He and Tyrion are safe for now since they aren't going to waste the setup with Bronn from Ep. 1

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« Reply #59 on: April 23, 2019, 08:41:30 AM »
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I actually don't think Jaime is on the chopping block in this battle,

He and Tyrion are safe for now since they aren't going to waste the setup with Bronn from Ep. 1
Agree, Bronn has to be involved so then Jamie can die in the arms of the woman he loves (or tall blond woman who loves him dearly, whatever).

Based on Jorah vouching this past ep, I imagine that spares the question of Tyrion's fate (like a run-in with Bronn in some manner) to the finale or at least the penultimate.  He could very well live, just the real make-or-break moment won't be for a few episodes.

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« Reply #60 on: April 23, 2019, 11:40:33 AM »
Now that I think about it more, I wonder if the sequence of events is something like this:

The humans and the Night King end up deadlocked at Winterfell, neither side able to win.

Cersei offers to trade her game-changer army for, say, the decapitated head of Dany. Or a dragon. This would stir up all kinds of plot-worthy conflict at Winterfell, because Jon Snow, of course, would sacrifice himself without hesitation, but I'm not sure that Dany would. They've already laid a lot of groundwork for the fact that the Starks, and Jon Snow's friends, are loyal to the North and each other in a way that Dany's allies aren't. Plus he's got one younger cousin/sibling who can change faces, and another who's clairvoyant, which could add all kinds of twists to a plot like that.

Of course, I am terrible at this, so it's probably something else entirely.

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« Reply #61 on: April 23, 2019, 12:40:32 PM »
Now that I think about it more, I wonder if the sequence of events is something like this:

The humans and the Night King end up deadlocked at Winterfell, neither side able to win.

Cersei offers to trade her game-changer army for, say, the decapitated head of Dany. Or a dragon. This would stir up all kinds of plot-worthy conflict at Winterfell, because Jon Snow, of course, would sacrifice himself without hesitation, but I'm not sure that Dany would. They've already laid a lot of groundwork for the fact that the Starks, and Jon Snow's friends, are loyal to the North and each other in a way that Dany's allies aren't. Plus he's got one younger cousin/sibling who can change faces, and another who's clairvoyant, which could add all kinds of twists to a plot like that.

Of course, I am terrible at this, so it's probably something else entirely.

I'm not sure how this battle head toward a deadlock.  The whitewalker army does not become tired or need to sleep.  This battle can't last much more than 36-48 hours since the army of the living will need to rest eventually...

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« Reply #62 on: April 23, 2019, 01:32:03 PM »
@Lulee, great post! Thanks to all for the fun predictions. Here're mine...

Wild predictions:

Night King reanimates the dead in the crypts.
The little girl down there battles valiantly to save the living.
White Walkers win at Winterfell, but some survivors retreat.
Survivors defeat the Night King by tying together threads of magic, such as:
  Dany sacrifices herself to save Drogon, gets reanimated by NK;
  Jorah plunges that Tarley sword through her heart, destroying his former love;
  Arya kills several White Walkers with her new weapon, enabling Bran to survive;
  Jaime plunges his sword in into Cersei's heart, revealing his sword as Lightbringer while fulfilling prophecy;
  To stave off the Long Night, Jon realizes he is the Prince That Was Promised;
  Jon replaces the Night King, reanimates the new dead, and takes them north to lead them away from the Seven Kingdoms;
  Bran the Rebuilder renews the wall after Jon leads the New Dead beyond it.

Bronn still wants his castle. Jaime says he'll have it as soon as he defeats marauders from the Iron Islands.

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« Reply #63 on: April 23, 2019, 01:43:39 PM »
I'm more and more thinking that the NK will skip Winterfell altogether and instead go straight to KL where he can make an even larger army (they specifically talked about the population of KL in one of the later S7 episodes). This would allow the assembled Avengers characters in WF to win the battle, but then learn from Bronn (who is travelling north on foot) where the NK went with wight Viserion and Bran would then confirm what happens via The Weirnet. This would setup an inverse-seige, similar to the last stand in Return of the King where they drew out Sauron's armies to allow Frodo and Sam to cross Mordor unhindered. It also simplifies the need for 2 discrete wars (living vs. dead and living(-Cercei) vs Cercei), instead transitioning to a large skirmish followed by a final showdown against the same enemy.
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« Reply #64 on: April 23, 2019, 01:48:53 PM »
I'm more and more thinking that the NK will skip Winterfell altogether and instead go straight to KL where he can make an even larger army (they specifically talked about the population of KL in one of the later S7 episodes). This would allow the assembled Avengers characters in WF to win the battle, but then learn from Bronn (who is travelling north on foot) where the NK went with wight Viserion and Bran would then confirm what happens via Greensight. This would setup an inverse-seige, similar to the last stand in Return of the King where they drew out Sauron's armies to allow Frodo and Sam to cross Mordor unhindered. It also simplifies the need for 2 discrete wars (living vs. dead and living-Cercei vs Cercei), instead transitioning to a large skirmish followed by a final showdown against the same enemy.

I do like that, especially the "the need for 2 discrete wars" point. It would extend the tension for 3 straight episodes and drive the stakes up higher with the climax in Episode 5!

Because beating the NK IS the climax. So if you beat him in Episode 3, you've "saved humanity" already. Beating up on a queen and her outmanned forces would be a letdown after that.

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« Reply #65 on: April 23, 2019, 02:11:43 PM »
I'm more and more thinking that the NK will skip Winterfell altogether and instead go straight to KL where he can make an even larger army (they specifically talked about the population of KL in one of the later S7 episodes). This would allow the assembled Avengers characters in WF to win the battle, but then learn from Bronn (who is travelling north on foot) where the NK went with wight Viserion and Bran would then confirm what happens via Greensight. This would setup an inverse-seige, similar to the last stand in Return of the King where they drew out Sauron's armies to allow Frodo and Sam to cross Mordor unhindered. It also simplifies the need for 2 discrete wars (living vs. dead and living-Cercei vs Cercei), instead transitioning to a large skirmish followed by a final showdown against the same enemy.

I do like that, especially the "the need for 2 discrete wars" point. It would extend the tension for 3 straight episodes and drive the stakes up higher with the climax in Episode 5!

Because beating the NK IS the climax. So if you beat him in Episode 3, you've "saved humanity" already. Beating up on a queen and her outmanned forces would be a letdown after that.

Ooh, good point! We know that at least some of the NK's army goes to Winterfell, given that they arrive just before the end of Episode 2, but we don't really know how close he has to be to his forces to command them. So he might very well send some South (especially given that the countryside is emptied out by people fleeing or getting zombified, word might not spread fast) while another part of his forces are at Winterfell keeping them busy or trying to pick off Bran. Since the NK has a dragon, he could easily catch up with his second army once Winterfell is pacified. And wasn't there some comment about a more southern ally of the Starks (the Tullys, or someone like that) who refused to pitch in at Winterfell? That would be very Game of Thrones for them to get wiped off the map by a second NK army...

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« Reply #66 on: April 23, 2019, 02:21:33 PM »
I'm more and more thinking that the NK will skip Winterfell altogether and instead go straight to KL where he can make an even larger army (they specifically talked about the population of KL in one of the later S7 episodes). This would allow the assembled Avengers characters in WF to win the battle, but then learn from Bronn (who is travelling north on foot) where the NK went with wight Viserion and Bran would then confirm what happens via Greensight. This would setup an inverse-seige, similar to the last stand in Return of the King where they drew out Sauron's armies to allow Frodo and Sam to cross Mordor unhindered. It also simplifies the need for 2 discrete wars (living vs. dead and living-Cercei vs Cercei), instead transitioning to a large skirmish followed by a final showdown against the same enemy.

I do like that, especially the "the need for 2 discrete wars" point. It would extend the tension for 3 straight episodes and drive the stakes up higher with the climax in Episode 5!

Because beating the NK IS the climax. So if you beat him in Episode 3, you've "saved humanity" already. Beating up on a queen and her outmanned forces would be a letdown after that.

Ooh, good point! We know that at least some of the NK's army goes to Winterfell, given that they arrive just before the end of Episode 2, but we don't really know how close he has to be to his forces to command them. So he might very well send some South (especially given that the countryside is emptied out by people fleeing or getting zombified, word might not spread fast) while another part of his forces are at Winterfell keeping them busy or trying to pick off Bran. Since the NK has a dragon, he could easily catch up with his second army once Winterfell is pacified. And wasn't there some comment about a more southern ally of the Starks (the Tullys, or someone like that) who refused to pitch in at Winterfell? That would be very Game of Thrones for them to get wiped off the map by a second NK army...

Yeah, this is interesting. At the end of the last episode, I was like, "Where the hell's the NK and the ice dragon?" The Winterfell contingent's strategy is to kill him, but... I'm thinking you're right he's not going to come there yet. So whatever happens, I'm thinking Philociraptor is right that he's not headed there yet.
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« Reply #67 on: April 23, 2019, 04:26:33 PM »
And wasn't there some comment about a more southern ally of the Starks (the Tullys, or someone like that) who refused to pitch in at Winterfell? That would be very Game of Thrones for them to get wiped off the map by a second NK army...
I don't know if you mean House Glover from Deepwood Motte.  They're in the North and actually a little bit north of Winterfell.  After Jon bent the knee last season Robett took his forces home (after getting scolded by Lyanna Mormont and then apologizing to Jon after not fighting with the Starks in the BotB).  Aside from the Umbers (RIP), I'm not sure anyone else has refused to pitch in at Winterfell, at least from the North.

Edmure Tully could factor in possibly but doubtful (doesn't command any forces), it was a little surprising we didn't see him in the S7 opener after his niece killed all the Freys at the Twins where he was being held prisoner.

I'm trying to think of other southern allies but none come to mind unless you want to count Hot Pie! :-)

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« Reply #68 on: April 23, 2019, 06:09:19 PM »
I'm more and more thinking that the NK will skip Winterfell altogether and instead go straight to KL where he can make an even larger army (they specifically talked about the population of KL in one of the later S7 episodes)...

Okay. I have pretty much abandoned any attempt to predict what is going to happen, but would rather just let the conclusion wash over me, whatever it may be, for good or ill.

But THAT...is a bloody brilliant theory. Makes sense on so many levels and I believe it would allow for a somewhat satisfying conclusion...with a mere 4 EPISODES LEFT! *sniff*

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« Reply #69 on: April 23, 2019, 08:55:55 PM »
I like the NK marching to King's Landing theory too but he's going after Bran so Bran has to be whisked away via dragon at some point.

There was foreshadowing when Tyrion mentioned that he likely won't be King's Hand when it's all over. Tyrion will die.

Similarly, what Sam told Jorah when he gave him his sword is also important. Sam will die.

Sandor has to stick around. He's going to finally take revenge on his brother.

Grey Worm and Missandei will make it back to the beaches.

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« Reply #70 on: April 24, 2019, 11:43:47 PM »
I love all the theories.  I'm going to enjoy watching the show in real time so I'll be avoiding spoilers and leaks like the plague. I'm surprised that Howland and Meera Reed haven't made an appearance.  Howland could at least confirm Jon's parentage (i.e not Jon's 'brother' and best friend).  It seems like the Citadel should have heard that an army of the dead was marching south and followed Sam's advice to figure out a strategy? I would think Melisandre (the Red Woman) would/should play an important role in this battle.  She told Varys that they were both fated to die in Westeros so I don't think they survive the season.  This last episode just confirmed that the Battle of Winterfell is going to hurt.  I considered Theon expendable until I saw Sansa's reaction to him.  At this point I'm bracing myself for the inevitable heartbreak. 

My attempt at a prediction is that the Hound will die and Arya will kill the Mountain using his face.   

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I'm more and more thinking that the NK will skip Winterfell altogether and instead go straight to KL where he can make an even larger army (they specifically talked about the population of KL in one of the later S7 episodes)...

Okay. I have pretty much abandoned any attempt to predict what is going to happen, but would rather just let the conclusion wash over me, whatever it may be, for good or ill.

But THAT...is a bloody brilliant theory. Makes sense on so many levels and I believe it would allow for a somewhat satisfying conclusion...with a mere 4 EPISODES LEFT! *sniff*

Normally I would point out that it would require a couple weeks to walk from Winterfell to Kings Landing (assuming never stopping to sleep), but the showrunners threw traveling continuity out the window 3 seasons ago.  Now you can walk, ride or sail a circle around the continent in the space of a few days.

I loved this episode, but as a Youtube reviewer carefully pointed out, the entire opening scene with Jamie is revisionist bullshit.  Nobody is remembering their history correctly.