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Other => Off Topic => Topic started by: arebelspy on May 12, 2017, 05:41:19 PM
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At fellow moderator swick's house, and the word "toque" came up, and apparently I have been mispronouncing FrugalToque's name for years.
(You would have seen the name as a moderator here on the forums, and as featured in these 8 MMM blog posts (http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/category/mr-frugal-toque/)).
How have you been pronouncing it?
(I guess it's a Canadian word for a hat--what we call a beanie. Google image search for Toque (https://www.google.com/search?q=toque&pws=0&gl=us&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjXztmZxOvTAhVY7mMKHSoQCdoQ_AUICygC&biw=1427&bih=911). Those of you who were with me, you've learned something today! :) )
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Its a winter hat that covers your ears. My name shiuld show my expertise. More obvious in french. Tuque.
As a dumbass 'Merican, I always had heard of this hat. I never saw it spelled. I always thought it was spelled "took".
I am taken back to my days of youth: Bob and Doug McKenzie comedy routines with Geddy Lee singing "Take Off to the Great White North".
...and surely there is someone out there pronouncing it "toe-cue".
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In my head, it's toke, but I know it should be tuque.
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Well, the way I've been saying it isn't even an option. I thought it was toe-kay, like a Spanish word.
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Well, the way I've been saying it isn't even an option. I thought it was toe-kay, like a Spanish word.
Because of their severe winters that require specific winter clothing? :D
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You obviously missed out on Bob and Doug McKenzie's "Great White North" - a series of skits performed by Rick Moranis and Dave Thomas from SCTV. It was definitely a Canadian-stereotype, but damn they were funny, and everyone that ever saw the episodes or had the albums knew how to pronounce the word because of their 12 Days of Christmas: "FIVE GOLDEN Toques!!" ;D
12 Days Of Christmas McKenzie Brothers (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DTwLqR071M)
They got so popular, they put out a hilariously amazing adaptation of William Shakespeare's "Hamlet" for the big screen starring the characters - Strange Brew (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086373/?ref_=nv_sr_1).
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Two-K and American. I live close enough to the border to know....
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Yeah, uh ...
"Toque" rhymes with "Duke".#
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I know how to pronounce it, but I'm Canadian, so no excuse if I didn't. Toques have given me hat hair for many years.
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Yeah, uh ...
"Toque" rhymes with "Duke".#
Yep.
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Canadian so I can pronounce it. What is the American equivalent? My guess is 'knitted hat' and Mr. Pachnik who is from Quebec agrees. Curious about other ideas though.
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I pronounce it tock, as in the tick tock of a clock, even though I know it's meant to be tuke like duke. So none of the above (and I refrained from voting).
Canadian so I can pronounce it. What is the American equivalent? My guess is 'knitted hat' and Mr. Pachnik who is from Quebec agrees. Curious about other ideas though.
Can't tell you the American equivalent, but in Australia and the UK we'd call it a beanie.
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I pronounce it tock, as in the tick tock of a clock, even though I know it's meant to be tuke like duke. So none of the above (and I refrained from voting).
Interesting. Any other Aussies want to weigh in?
Canadian so I can pronounce it. What is the American equivalent? My guess is 'knitted hat' and Mr. Pachnik who is from Quebec agrees. Curious about other ideas though.
Can't tell you the American equivalent, but in Australia and the UK we'd call it a beanie.
Yeah, I mentioned in the OP, we'd also call it a beanie.
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Yeah, uh ...
"Toque" rhymes with "Duke".#
Apparently!
And now you know, likely the vast majority of Pete's readership have been pronouncing your screen name wrong. :)
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I pronounce it tock, as in the tick tock of a clock, even though I know it's meant to be tuke like duke. So none of the above (and I refrained from voting).
Canadian so I can pronounce it. What is the American equivalent? My guess is 'knitted hat' and Mr. Pachnik who is from Quebec agrees. Curious about other ideas though.
Can't tell you the American equivalent, but in Australia and the UK we'd call it a beanie.
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In plain blue-collar American, under a century's linguistic influence of the armed forces, a 'watch cap', though not technically a cap but rather a hat.
Google the phrase and see 'em from five to a hundred and twenty bux each...
http://item.rakuten.co.jp/auc-cream-r/br02241olive/
No, not Mechanic's Cap and not six thousand yen, as originally conceived
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Another Aussie who read it as "tock". Rhymes with clock.
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I've always said tow-kay. So I don't even get to vote.
So it's "took", as in "fool of a Took!"?
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Your options don't sound like toque.
2k might be my 2018 pronounciation.
Toke is what you do with a joint
A toque is best approximated above withe the Duke with a t approach.
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Another Aussie, I have been misreading it as FrugalTorque, but once I looked at it properly when I saw this thread I would say tock
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So it's "took", as in "fool of a Took!"?
"Took" we say differently. I mean, I think you're on target, if we just look at "took" straight up, but "took" (as in, past of take) and "toque" are pronounced differently. Though, I wonder if that's untrue depending on which part of Canada! How do Newfies say the past of take?
And then beanie, I have a completely different hat in mind!
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Well, the way I've been saying it isn't even an option. I thought it was toe-kay, like a Spanish word.
Because of their severe winters that require specific winter clothing? :D
Spain has had -15C temperatures this year and quite a lot of ski resorts.
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Its a winter hat that covers your ears. My name should show my expertise. More obvious in french. Tuque.
I confirm, it's tuque!
It's from Québec so, even toque is a derivative (mis-spelled and mis-pronounced)
The best way I can help you to pronounce it is to come in Québec and learn. There is no other way to explain, even the "Duke" with a T is not exactly correct. I guess it's very difficult for you to pronounce tuque properly!
Didnt voted btw...
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Well, the way I've been saying it isn't even an option. I thought it was toe-kay, like a Spanish word.
Because of their severe winters that require specific winter clothing? :De
Spain has had -15C temperatures this year and quite a lot of ski resorts.
Thats what Canadian Ben mean, -15C is not cold enough to require that kind of clothing. It's designed for -40C or less!
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Yeah, uh ...
"Toque" rhymes with "Duke".#
Exactly
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Like Jooni, I always thought beanies were different (I thought shorter). Whereas a tuque usually has a fold up brim so in really bad weather you can unfold it and bring it over your eyebrows.
Cold is cold - a few winters ago the daytime temps were in the -20s and the nights were consistently -30s. Of course warmer usually means snow storms and high winds, so all we can do is hold out until spring.
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Voted - Other
As in towk or Aussie talk
+n to beanie instead
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Well, the way I've been saying it isn't even an option. I thought it was toe-kay, like a Spanish word.
Tokay is a type of fortified sweet wine but we can't use it anymore because the EU said so. I'm not sure whether they're protecting the Hungarian tokaji or they've realised we're on a good thing. We now have to use the word topaque.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscadelle
The EU is just splitting hairs...like this poll 😛
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American; I know it's tuke, but I always have to remind myself when I see it. At least with the username in question, there's rhyme-like correspondence there that helps me get it right.
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Like Jooni, I always thought beanies were different (I thought shorter). Whereas a tuque usually has a fold up brim so in really bad weather you can unfold it and bring it over your eyebrows.
Cold is cold - a few winters ago the daytime temps were in the -20s and the nights were consistently -30s. Of course warmer usually means snow storms and high winds, so all we can do is hold out until spring.
I also thought beanies were shorter too and not necessarily knitted. Interesting that a few of us Canucks think that.
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Aha! Learn something new every day . . . and I had even heard the Christmas song several times, just didn't put it all together.
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Aha! Learn something new every day . . . and I had even heard the Christmas song several times, just didn't put it all together.
WTF? Your name is Zamboni and you've been pronouncing it wrong? Shame!
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Well, the way I've been saying it isn't even an option. I thought it was toe-kay, like a Spanish word.
Because of their severe winters that require specific winter clothing? :De
Spain has had -15C temperatures this year and quite a lot of ski resorts.
Thats what Canadian Ben mean, -15C is not cold enough to require that kind of clothing. It's designed for -40C or less!
I'm sure the southern regions of Chile and Argentina get that cold!
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Those are toque
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I pronounce it tock, as in the tick tock of a clock, even though I know it's meant to be tuke like duke. So none of the above (and I refrained from voting).
Interesting. Any other Aussies want to weigh in?
Canadian so I can pronounce it. What is the American equivalent? My guess is 'knitted hat' and Mr. Pachnik who is from Quebec agrees. Curious about other ideas though.
Can't tell you the American equivalent, but in Australia and the UK we'd call it a beanie.
Yeah, I mentioned in the OP, we'd also call it a beanie.
Another aussie -- I'd pronounce it tock (as in clock), but I've never heard/seen it before so I've got an excuse.
+1 for beanie.
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English RP here - another vote for tick tock.
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Bob and Doug McKenzie taught a whole generation of Americans, including me, how to say "toque." (rhymes with "duke")
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A toque, like any other knitted hat, would be a "boggin" around here. Granted a toque might be deemed a "funny looking boggin..." :-p
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A toque, like any other knitted hat, would be a "boggin" around here. Granted a toque might be deemed a "funny looking boggin..." :-p
We'd call it a "ski cap" even though there would be no mountains within 5 hours of here and they're common in the winter.
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I'm sure the southern regions of Chile and Argentina get that cold!
I'm sure they do, and up in the Andes. I've only ever seen the Andean caps with the ear flaps, which look equally warm. What else do they knit?
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I see that I'm among the unwashed and ill educated masses with this one. I thought it was a Canadianization of 'toke' and therefore some stoner reference.
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English born Aussie here, I read it as tock, but the k is not hard, it's got a bit of a french accent. And at first I also read it as Torque.
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Those are toque
I learned the more NSFW definition of toque when I lived in Baie-Comeau, though that was just in reference to what I chef's hat looks like..
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Learned something new today! As a lifelong Californian, I thought "toque" was just another nonsense non-word of that sort we see all the time in screen names, and thought nothing of it. We put hats on our heads to provide protection from sunburn. It is my new vocabulary word of the day.
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Another Toe-Kay non-voter here. Is it okay if I continue to pronounce it toe-kay in my head? Or do I have to change now? I'm a terrible creature of habit.
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Those are toque
I learned the more NSFW definition of toque when I lived in Baie-Comeau, though that was just in reference to what I chef's hat looks like..
Baie-Comeau*!?!
No Mustachian come from Baie-Comeau*! I could start a thread called "Overheard in Baie-Comeau" in the anti-mustachian wall of shame!
*DW and and inlaws are from Baie-Comeau
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Bob and Doug McKenzie taught a whole generation of Americans, including me, how to say "toque." (rhymes with "duke")
+1
I was REALLY confused by the options, because I didn't see rhymes with "duke". The "two-k" I was reading as "two kay", which wasn't right. Although it did make me think of two-four and Jacob Two-Two. We've grown up watching Canadian TV as well as local US TV, since we're in a border area.
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In Nevada, I was told to "give an item to the man over there wearing the beanie"...
This is what I thought they were talking about, and of course no one was wearing this, so I was confused.
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Yes, those are among the hats I envisioned when ARS said beanie! I also think about Relic on The Beachcombers, even though I can't actually remember what his summer hat looked like...
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Another Aussie who thought it rhymed with clock.
And as an Aussie I have to say that <5oC is definitely beanie weather.
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I say it as "toke". Prob not gonna change that in my head, but now I'll never say it aloud for fear of being wrong. That's okay though. As an American, it's just not a word that creeps into usage here.
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In Nevada, I was told to "give an item to the man over there wearing the beanie"...
This is what I thought they were talking about, and of course no one was wearing this, so I was confused.
YES! Those are beanies. Toques are for winter, those are for? summer?
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I pronounce it Stocking Cap, and I grew up in the Maritimes in the 70's. I didn't learn the work toque until much later in life, likely around the same time that poutine migrated out of Quebec, but long before the donair migrated out west.
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I propose we revoke the citizenship of any Canadian who was pronouncing it incorrectly, especially Zamboni (if Zamboni is a Canadian).
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Yeah, the little cap with the propeller on top is what I think of when I think of 'beanie'.
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I propose we revoke the citizenship of any Canadian who was pronouncing it incorrectly, especially Zamboni (if Zamboni is a Canadian).
Except the Zamboni was invented in California :)- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_resurfacer
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I propose we revoke the citizenship of any Canadian who was pronouncing it incorrectly, especially Zamboni (if Zamboni is a Canadian).
Except the Zamboni was invented in California :)- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_resurfacer
If you spend that much time on the ice you should know the Canadian words! :)
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You mean like vico and bunnyhug? Oh wait, those are just from Saskatchewan... never mind.
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I'm from the Midwest and have spent enough time around Canadians to know its a "tuke."
But I thought I'd clear this up - a knitted hat is not a beanie. It is a stocking hat, a ski hat, or just a hat. Mostly just a hat. It's the main hat we wear, after all.
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Yes, those are among the hats I envisioned when ARS said beanie! I also think about Relic on The Beachcombers, even though I can't actually remember what his summer hat looked like...
Since we are on pronunciations, for months I thought arebelspy was pronounced R-Bell'-spee. I didn't even see the rebel in him. I prefer his full screen name over his shortcut, because I see ARS and pronounce it "arse". I like his posts too much to think of him as a butt :)
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I prefer his full screen name over his shortcut, because I see ARS and pronounce it "arse". I like his posts too much to think of him as a butt :)
Delightfully, ARS is fully supportive of us pronouncing him arse :)
Last we checked, anyway...
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I just did a Google image search for 'beanie'. It showed me nothing but stocking caps.
I've never known Google to be so wrong before.
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A tall, cylindrical, white chef's hat is spelled "toque" and pronounced "toke".
So I thought the guy was some kind of cook.
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Google shows a lot of toques under beanie, it is true. Google is so far not representing my culture; must add images to its database.
It does also show this hat, though, which to me defines beanie. I think of beanie as any little circle hat, so like those posted above, or this one, etc.
https://crowncap.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/1-011FP-brown-salt-pepper-Small.jpg
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So much like what happens when I read books with names in it i don't know how to pronounce (J R Tolkien I'm looking at you), if i see names i don't know how to pronounce i just turn it into a different name of something more familiar to me. (Or it's that i'm lazy.)
So in my mind:
FrugalToque = Frugal Torque
arebelspy = Arbell spy
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Arbell spy
I don't know how to pronounce that :(
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I propose we revoke the citizenship of any Canadian who was pronouncing it incorrectly, especially Zamboni (if Zamboni is a Canadian).
Except the Zamboni was invented in California :)- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_resurfacer
And that multicolored headgear in the second photo was worn by Beanie in "Beanie and Cecil", but it's a whole other kind of beanie. Propellerhead vs. knit cap.
Gah!
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In Nevada, I was told to "give an item to the man over there wearing the beanie"...
This is what I thought they were talking about, and of course no one was wearing this, so I was confused.
Yeah, totally, to me a beanie growing up was this:
(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-76BIZpTt4A8/USjIxyHMDqI/AAAAAAAAMXQ/feLjL7MUz1s/s1600/beanie2.gif)
...(some comics in this series skipped)...
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/0a/56/2c/0a562c128a14b148aef4de62b813501b.jpg)
It took me about a decade to adjust to the idea that a beanie is a knitted cap, as Google Images shows. Now when I think beanie, I think of the knitted cap first, so it's fully sunk in.
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I have been mentally adding an 'r' to make it "FrugalTorque" all this time. But yes "Frugal-Small-Hat" makes a lot more sense than "Frugal-Moment-Arm-Cross-Force".
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A beanie is a whirligig hat. A toque (tuke, approximately) is a Canadian warm hat. Before edge-of-Canada DBF told me that word, I just called such hats "hats" and only ever referred to them in the context of other warm apparel. "Go put on your hat, coat, snow pants, mittens, and boots!"
Yes, those are among the hats I envisioned when ARS said beanie! I also think about Relic on The Beachcombers, even though I can't actually remember what his summer hat looked like...
Since we are on pronunciations, for months I thought arebelspy was pronounced R-Bell'-spee. I didn't even see the rebel in him. I prefer his full screen name over his shortcut, because I see ARS and pronounce it "arse". I like his posts too much to think of him as a butt :)
For a long time, I was correctly reading it as A Rebel Spy, but I thought that he was just really in favor of the South during the American Civil War... O_O Apparently it is a Star Wars movie reference!
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Has SCTV taught you nothing people?
"Take off to the Great White North...Take off, it's the beauty way to go!"
(Plus they say toque about a million times)
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Arbell spy
I don't know how to pronounce that :(
Like "barbell" "spy" but without the "b"
which is again, same problem. I didn't know how to pronounce it so i just made up something up that in my mind resembled a word i know. It makes no sense.
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:)))))
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Sorry to complicate things further, but I've been thinking about this and wondering how on earth you all pronounce "duke". No way does toque = 'dyook'.
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Sorry to complicate things further, but I've been thinking about this and wondering how on earth you all pronounce "duke". No way does toque = 'dyook'.
Ah! Because you're British, yes? I pronounce duke "dook". Hmmm...But not "rhymes with took"...
Sometimes it takes me a moment to get the Aussie poems and puns on the forum, until I do it in their accent and then it makes perfect sense!
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Sorry to complicate things further, but I've been thinking about this and wondering how on earth you all pronounce "duke". No way does toque = 'dyook'.
Makes more sense if it's spelled tuque.
Honestly, I'd never seen it spelled out before this. I just knew how it sounded from watching SCTV years ago.
The differences in pronunciation by region is fascinating. Watching Canadian TV, a few odd words jumped out and struck me as sounding weird: Mazda and pasta. Mazda sounded like "maz-duh" (very nasal) instead of "maaahz-duh". Pasta sounded similar - "passs-tuh" instead of "paah-stuh". Otherwise, essentially the same as my area. However, we've found going to college always brought out the comparisons of local pronunciation differences and local terminology among new friends from different areas.
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Sorry to complicate things further, but I've been thinking about this and wondering how on earth you all pronounce "duke". No way does toque = 'dyook'.
dew-k
Note that the "k" in this is the sound the letter makes, a hard c sound, not "kay".
Dew + The first sound in cat.
Now change Dew to Two. That's a hat, apparently.
He's not getting high (toking) cheaply, like rockstache and I thought. :)
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The differences in pronunciation by region is fascinating.
Definitely! Hanging out with someone from a different region is fun. We just hung out with some Canadians for a week, and the first dozen times we commented on pronunciation differences, but there were eventually so much we stopped, and just gave each other knowing glances ("you caught that too, right?" glances) when they said something that sounded interesting! I'm presuming they did the same when they heard our same-as-theirs-but-said-differently words. :)
Linguistics is quite interesting.
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I think it's like "fluke" (that's British English pronunciation of fluke, puke, duke etc) but of course with a Quebequois 'thing' that I don't have. Like... poutine and Gatineau and Montreal.
I'd never heard the word before coming to Canada.
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Sorry to complicate things further, but I've been thinking about this and wondering how on earth you all pronounce "duke". No way does toque = 'dyook'.
dew-k
Note that the "k" in this is the sound the letter makes, a hard c sound, not "kay".
Dew + The first sound in cat.
Now change Dew to Two. That's a hat, apparently.
He's not getting high (toking) cheaply, like rockstache and I thought. :)
I say d-you, but do you say doo?
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Sorry to complicate things further, but I've been thinking about this and wondering how on earth you all pronounce "duke". No way does toque = 'dyook'.
dew-k
Note that the "k" in this is the sound the letter makes, a hard c sound, not "kay".
Dew + The first sound in cat.
Now change Dew to Two. That's a hat, apparently.
He's not getting high (toking) cheaply, like rockstache and I thought. :)
I say d-you, but do you say doo?
You say d-you-k?
I say doo-k. Rhymes with the name Luke. (Unless you say that l-you-k, or something?)
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Sorry to complicate things further, but I've been thinking about this and wondering how on earth you all pronounce "duke". No way does toque = 'dyook'.
dew-k
Note that the "k" in this is the sound the letter makes, a hard c sound, not "kay".
Dew + The first sound in cat.
Now change Dew to Two. That's a hat, apparently.
He's not getting high (toking) cheaply, like rockstache and I thought. :)
I say d-you, but do you say doo?
You say d-you-k?
I say doo-k. Rhymes with the name Luke. (Unless you say that l-you-k, or something?)
I say Luke just like you but with a British Australian accent. So sort of reserved but with a lazy tongue.
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I think it's like "fluke" (that's British English pronunciation of fluke, puke, duke etc) but of course with a Quebequois 'thing' that I don't have. Like... poutine and Gatineau and Montreal.
I'd never heard the word before coming to Canada.
Out of those 3 words - duke, fluke, puke - I notice that I pronounce one differently. Duke and fluke are "ook" but puke is "pyook" not "pook".
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I think it's like "fluke" (that's British English pronunciation of fluke, puke, duke etc) but of course with a Quebequois 'thing' that I don't have. Like... poutine and Gatineau and Montreal.
I'd never heard the word before coming to Canada.
Out of those 3 words - duke, fluke, puke - I notice that I pronounce one differently. Duke and fluke are "ook" but puke is "pyook" not "pook".
maybe the "oo" is a little bit flatter sound? Like Rook? So is it like duke, fluke, puke, or rook?
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http://howjsay.com/pronunciation-of-tuque
BUT! http://howjsay.com/pronunciation-of-toque
wha?!? No.
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I think it's like "fluke" (that's British English pronunciation of fluke, puke, duke etc) but of course with a Quebequois 'thing' that I don't have. Like... poutine and Gatineau and Montreal.
I'd never heard the word before coming to Canada.
Out of those 3 words - duke, fluke, puke - I notice that I pronounce one differently. Duke and fluke are "ook" but puke is "pyook" not "pook".
maybe the "oo" is a little bit flatter sound? Like Rook? So is it like duke, fluke, puke, or rook?
Rook sounds like look, not Luke. But I do have to agree with Mmm_Donuts - puke is "pyook" rather than "pook".
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I think it's like "fluke" (that's British English pronunciation of fluke, puke, duke etc) but of course with a Quebequois 'thing' that I don't have. Like... poutine and Gatineau and Montreal.
I'd never heard the word before coming to Canada.
Out of those 3 words - duke, fluke, puke - I notice that I pronounce one differently. Duke and fluke are "ook" but puke is "pyook" not "pook".
maybe the "oo" is a little bit flatter sound? Like Rook? So is it like duke, fluke, puke, or rook?
Rook sounds like look, not Luke. But I do have to agree with Mmm_Donuts - puke is "pyook" rather than "pook".
Duke should be dy-uke. Dew is more like jew than do.
In... neutral British English, that is. Somewhat neutral.
I mean, there are numerous American accents, hundreds? of British ones, and at least two Canadian (haha).
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I am listening to a Louise Penny audiobook, and the narrator, Ralph Cosham, (British-born American, according to wikipedia) is pronouncing it "toke"
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You mean like vico and bunnyhug? Oh wait, those are just from Saskatchewan... never mind.
Sorry to dredge up an older thread but had to comment on Bunnyhug! Many of my colleagues are internationals so they get very confused when I mention bunnyhugs.
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Montreal-raised Anglo here. In English I pronounce it "two-k" (rhymes with "duke"), but in French it's "tsook". The vowel is, uh, lax mid-high front rounded.
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You mean like vico and bunnyhug? Oh wait, those are just from Saskatchewan... never mind.
Sorry to dredge up an older thread but had to comment on Bunnyhug! Many of my colleagues are internationals so they get very confused when I mention bunnyhugs.
I found bunnyhug - it's a hoodie. What's a vico?
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You mean like vico and bunnyhug? Oh wait, those are just from Saskatchewan... never mind.
Sorry to dredge up an older thread but had to comment on Bunnyhug! Many of my colleagues are internationals so they get very confused when I mention bunnyhugs.
I found bunnyhug - it's a hoodie. What's a vico?
Vico A brand of chocolate milk. The term is often used by residents of the Canadian province of Saskatchewan as a synonym for "chocolate milk".
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Sorry to complicate things further, but I've been thinking about this and wondering how on earth you all pronounce "duke". No way does toque = 'dyook'.
dew-k
Note that the "k" in this is the sound the letter makes, a hard c sound, not "kay".
Dew + The first sound in cat.
Now change Dew to Two. That's a hat, apparently.
He's not getting high (toking) cheaply, like rockstache and I thought. :)
I say d-you, but do you say doo?
You say d-you-k?
I say doo-k. Rhymes with the name Luke. (Unless you say that l-you-k, or something?)
That's right - it's d-you-k!
Getting back to the original word, I always thought it had a bit of a visor.
Are you going to change the poll so that us Aussies can actually vote - I'm betting that we might even have the largest vote - especially if the Brits vote the same as us.
And do you realise that we've just celebrated the annual beanie festival in Alice Springs - see http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-26/alice-springs-beanie-festival-2017/8649768
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Are you going to change the poll so that us Aussies can actually vote
Aussies can vote. Everyone can.
There are three options for demographic: "American," "Canadian," and "Other."
Australians would fall under "Other."
I'm betting that we might even have the largest vote - especially if the Brits vote the same as us.
Brits also fall under "Other," so if this was the case, we'd already see it in the poll. There are 27 "Other" votes of 347 as of the time of this post, or 7.8% of the respondents. There may have been some who didn't have their unique pronunciation represented, but there have been very few (like you) that posted so.
These options were chosen because the site majority is American, with Canadian being second, and those are the two accents being compared in this poll--I wanted to see how many pronounced it toe-k versus too-k. :)
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Are you going to change the poll so that us Aussies can actually vote
Aussies can vote. Everyone can.
There are three options for demographic: "American," "Canadian," and "Other."
Australians would fall under "Other."
I'm betting that we might even have the largest vote - especially if the Brits vote the same as us.
Brits also fall under "Other," so if this was the case, we'd already see it in the poll. There are 27 "Other" votes of 347 as of the time of this post, or 7.8% of the respondents. There may have been some who didn't have their unique pronunciation represented, but there have been very few (like you) that posted so.
These options were chosen because the site majority is American, with Canadian being second, and those are the two accents being compared in this poll--I wanted to see how many pronounced it toe-k versus too-k. :)
But there are no options for the way we pronounce it - so none of us can vote..
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Are you going to change the poll so that us Aussies can actually vote
Aussies can vote. Everyone can.
There are three options for demographic: "American," "Canadian," and "Other."
Australians would fall under "Other."
I'm betting that we might even have the largest vote - especially if the Brits vote the same as us.
Brits also fall under "Other," so if this was the case, we'd already see it in the poll. There are 27 "Other" votes of 347 as of the time of this post, or 7.8% of the respondents. There may have been some who didn't have their unique pronunciation represented, but there have been very few (like you) that posted so.
These options were chosen because the site majority is American, with Canadian being second, and those are the two accents being compared in this poll--I wanted to see how many pronounced it toe-k versus too-k. :)
I think they mean you need more pronunciation options for everyone to vote. You didn't include: tock, toe-kay, or tuke (for me, 'cause two-kay made no sense to me, it's clearly one syllable, not 2 as implied by the dash).
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I think they mean you need more pronunciation options for everyone to vote. You didn't include: tock, toe-kay, or tuke (for me, 'cause two-kay made no sense to me, it's clearly one syllable, not 2 as implied by the dash).
I also didn't include "walla-walla-bing-bang." :)
The point of the poll was to see how Americans and Canadians pronounced "Toque." I was curious if it was a split between those two.
I was especially interested in how the man, FrugalToque himself, pronounced it, and how the majority of MMM readers (Americans) pronounced it, since he's been featured on the main blog a number of times, and I was wondering how many of us was thinking he was getting high cheaply, when really he just had a cheap hat.
If Australians, or others, have a different pronunciation, cool. That means they're not pronouncing it right either, which is fine, but not what I was interested in; it was the split between Canadians (and FT) and Americans (the majority of MMM readers). Thus the poll options. :)
Modifying any poll after it's started invalidates the results, but any of you interested in all the other potential pronunciations of Toque definitely feel free to start whatever poll(s) you'd like. I got the information I was curious about out of this one, and am satisfied. If you aren't, and are that curious, please do start one with whatever options you're curious about. :)
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Exactly how valid is a poll where a considerable number of participants don't vote, because your Venn diagram universe excluded multiple valid choices from consideration? At least a "none of the above" option would catch all of us who haven't yet voted!
BTW, I'm one of those Americans you wanted to poll :P
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I mean, there are numerous American accents, hundreds? of British ones, and at least two Canadian (haha).
I'd say there are four, maybe five Canadian accents (not including Indigenous). Newfie, Maritimer, Quebecer, Ontario/Prairie and Mountain/Coast/North. The first three for a "fer shure" and you could probably just lump the rest of us together.
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Exactly how valid is a poll where a considerable number of participants don't vote, because your Venn diagram universe excluded multiple valid choices from consideration? At least a "none of the above" option would catch all of us who haven't yet voted!
BTW, I'm one of those Americans you wanted to poll :P
Good question.
It depends on what question you're trying to answer/you're trying to capture.
In this case, I wanted to know how many Americans pronounced it correctly versus pronouncing it toke (compared to Canadians).
This poll captured that perfectly.
So 100% valid.
:)
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... apparently I have been mispronouncing FrugalToque's name for years.
As I had been mispronouncing yours for years! I just never 'saw' your name. The lack of spaces did me in. :-/
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... apparently I have been mispronouncing FrugalToque's name for years.
As I had been mispronouncing yours for years! I just never 'saw' your name. The lack of spaces did me in. :-/
No worries, SP lash NC ash! I like the rhyme to your name.
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“Toke.” American, I didn’t know what it was but I guess drew my pronunciation from torque.
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I mean, there are numerous American accents, hundreds? of British ones, and at least two Canadian (haha).
I'd say there are four, maybe five Canadian accents (not including Indigenous). Newfie, Maritimer, Quebecer, Ontario/Prairie and Mountain/Coast/North. The first three for a "fer shure" and you could probably just lump the rest of us together.
Newfie is a distinct language, not an accent.
:P
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I mean, there are numerous American accents, hundreds? of British ones, and at least two Canadian (haha).
I'd say there are four, maybe five Canadian accents (not including Indigenous). Newfie, Maritimer, Quebecer, Ontario/Prairie and Mountain/Coast/North. The first three for a "fer shure" and you could probably just lump the rest of us together.
Newfie is a distinct language, not an accent.
It has a few distinct words, and uses a few others in ways at odds with the rest of the English speaking world, but it's probably not a completely separate language:
"What are y'at?" -> What are you doing?
"Where're yuh to?" -> Where are you going?
"Bye" -> boy
And so forth.
But mostly, it's just a really difficult accent to understand that leaves the rest of us scratching our heads.
Toque.
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Yeah, uh ...
"Toque" rhymes with "Duke".#
Why is that not one of the options in the poll?
Toke (like one toke over the line ...) and two-k are not the same as toque=duke.
I knew it was toque/duke because DH lived in Canada for a few months and educated me.
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Everything I know about Canada I learned from Bob and Doug McKenzie. They pronounced it with the u sound, therefore, that is the only acceptable pronunciation.
If you need more proof, the most famous Canadian of all time Geddy Lee pronounces it the same way. Check out 53 seconds in to the hit single Take Off!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4i3wjL2qXU
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If you need more proof, the most famous Canadian of all time Geddy Lee pronounces it the same way. Check out 53 seconds in to the hit single Take Off!
Eh ??!! Not even the best lead singer of a Canadian band !!
RIP. Gordon Downie, Esq.
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Yeah, uh ...
"Toque" rhymes with "Duke".#
Why is that not one of the options in the poll?
Toke (like one toke over the line ...) and two-k are not the same as toque=duke.
I knew it was toque/duke because DH lived in Canada for a few months and educated me.
Idk how you're pronouncing two-k, but it also rhymes with Duke.
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Yeah, uh ...
"Toque" rhymes with "Duke".#
Why is that not one of the options in the poll?
Toke (like one toke over the line ...) and two-k are not the same as toque=duke.
I knew it was toque/duke because DH lived in Canada for a few months and educated me.
Idk how you're pronouncing two-k, but it also rhymes with Duke.
I was pronouncing it in two syllables. Two Kay. The dash between two and k made me think you were delineating that. Like how tuque would sound in Spanish.
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That would be "two-kay".
How do you phonetically write the "k" (as in the initial sound in "cat") without special phonetic characters?
In other words, write the two-k (rhymes with duke) with just normal characters.
Anyways, the two-k option rhymes with duke. :)
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That would be "two-kay".
How do you phonetically write the "k" (as in the initial sound in "cat") without special phonetic characters?
In other words, write the two-k (rhymes with duke) with just normal characters.
Anyways, the two-k option rhymes with duke. :)
The issue wasn't the letters. It was the dash. Dashes are used to break words up in between syllables, especially in books when a word is too long to fit entire-
ly (see what I did there? ;) ) on the same line. That being said, I recognize that twok would be even more confusing.
I would have either written it as toook to emphasize the oo and differentiate from took. But rhymes with duke is crystal clear. :)
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yeah, twok i'd have pronounced it as twa-k*
*k, not kay
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I'm 100% with ARS on this one. "twok" is the sound of a thin wooden switch hitting a bottom. "Two-k" rhymes with 'duke'.
(Although to be fair, just writing 'duke', 'fluke', or 'puke' probably would have been clearer.)
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Yeah. It seems most people got it, but there was enough confusion that I could have been clearer. Didn't think of the rhyming thing at the time, but comments brought that up quickly. :)
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Fool of a Took!
(https://m.popkey.co/96cc5a/KMWQ8_f-thumbnail-100-0_s-600x0.jpg)
Am I the only one who has seen Fellowship of the Rings?
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Fool of a Took!
(https://m.popkey.co/96cc5a/KMWQ8_f-thumbnail-100-0_s-600x0.jpg)
Am I the only one who has seen Fellowship of the Rings?
+1
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If you need more proof, the most famous Canadian of all time Geddy Lee pronounces it the same way. Check out 53 seconds in to the hit single Take Off!
Eh ??!! Not even the best lead singer of a Canadian band !!
RIP. Gordon Downie, Esq.
I'll meet you in the middle, Gordon Lightfoot.
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If you need more proof, the most famous Canadian of all time Geddy Lee pronounces it the same way. Check out 53 seconds in to the hit single Take Off!
Eh ??!! Not even the best lead singer of a Canadian band !!
RIP. Gordon Downie, Esq.
I'll meet you in the middle, Gordon Lightfoot.
I would also accept Gordie Howe. If we're just going by famous Gordons.... :o)
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Yeah, uh ...
"Toque" rhymes with "Duke".#
Why is that not one of the options in the poll?
Toke (like one toke over the line ...) and two-k are not the same as toque=duke.
I knew it was toque/duke because DH lived in Canada for a few months and educated me.
Idk how you're pronouncing two-k, but it also rhymes with Duke.
I was pronouncing it in two syllables. Two Kay. The dash between two and k made me think you were delineating that. Like how tuque would sound in Spanish.
Glad I'm not the only one who read it as two-kay due to the dash! I thought it was supposed to be a take on two-four and Jacob Two-Two. None of the choices made sense to me (American watching Canadian TV channels).