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« Reply #150 on: May 02, 2019, 04:08:43 PM »
Bernie is such a crotchety old geezer, he makes me feel young.  And I'm not young.

Though with a doddering Joe Biden also running (he was getting confused during his announcement speech-that's not a good sign, though not unexpected given his age), Bernie is a "youth movement." :)

Other than their characteristics of being older than you, is there message bad?  Both these people have long experience.  Much of it has been in touting policies to help the common good.

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« Reply #151 on: May 02, 2019, 04:26:56 PM »
Bernie is such a crotchety old geezer, he makes me feel young.  And I'm not young.

Though with a doddering Joe Biden also running (he was getting confused during his announcement speech-that's not a good sign, though not unexpected given his age), Bernie is a "youth movement." :)

Other than their characteristics of being older than you, is there message bad?  Both these people have long experience.  Much of it has been in touting policies to help the common good.

Come on. If elected, either Sanders or Biden would be the Oldest President Ever Elected. Not to mention Oldest President Ever Elected To A First Term.

Age-related mental decline is a real thing. Just look at our current president. It has nothing to do with "being older than you".

Edit: Okay, in libertarian4321's case it's probably mostly Trolling. But it's still a real concern.

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« Reply #152 on: May 02, 2019, 04:31:18 PM »
Age related discrimination is also a very real thing.  I've watched both of these potential presidential candidates and both of them  seem to demonstrate a large degree of mental accuity.

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« Reply #153 on: May 02, 2019, 04:34:51 PM »
Age related discrimination is also a very real thing.  I've watched both of these potential presidential candidates and both of them  seem to demonstrate a large degree of mental accuity.

Age discrimination is also illegal, and also specifically does not include being forced to retire. Usually at around 65 or so.

I like both Sanders and Biden. But there's no getting around the fact that they are old. So is Trump for that matter, so if they are his eventual opponents it may not make much of a difference. But still old.

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« Reply #154 on: May 02, 2019, 04:48:30 PM »
The United States is old.  The Earth is old.  The moon is old.  They are all still good and I expect will be good for the next 4 years. 

Let's hope these guys are good for 4 more too and at least give them a chance.  They may do well in their last rodeo.

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« Reply #155 on: May 02, 2019, 09:30:29 PM »
The United States is old.  The Earth is old.  The moon is old.  They are all still good and I expect will be good for the next 4 years. 

Let's hope these guys are good for 4 more too and at least give them a chance.  They may do well in their last rodeo.

Those things don't suffer mental decline due to old age. They're not people :)

Mental decline can happen rapidly and unexpectedly in old age. We should also take into consideration that the older someone is the greater their chance of suddenly becoming ill and/or dying. These things aren't a fault of the individual, they're just reality. For a position as important as the presidency I don't care about fairness or age discrimination, I want the best available person for the position.

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« Reply #156 on: May 03, 2019, 12:59:27 AM »
Age related discrimination is also a very real thing.  I've watched both of these potential presidential candidates and both of them  seem to demonstrate a large degree of mental accuity.

Age discrimination is also illegal, and also specifically does not include being forced to retire. Usually at around 65 or so.

I like both Sanders and Biden. But there's no getting around the fact that they are old. So is Trump for that matter, so if they are his eventual opponents it may not make much of a difference. But still old.

Nobody forces you to retire. You have a chance there getting help, but that is all.

The same goes for old age: There are people who get senile. Most of them are old. But neither all nor everyone.

If age was really a problem, every constitution around the world would have a maximum voting age, like minimum voting age, right? (Yes, I know the true reason is because they are mostly written by old men ;) )

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« Reply #157 on: May 03, 2019, 06:43:10 AM »
If he won, Bernie Sanders would be 79 come inauguration day, 2021. He would then have a life expectancy of 8 years. (With Biden, it's 78 and 9, so really the same)

https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html

Do we really want to cut it that close, statistically speaking? And that's just death! It doesn't count for mental decline. Yes, I'm sure there are plenty of stories of old people being on the top of their game one day and then dropping dead the next, but generally speaking you're going to see some decline in those last years.

I don't dislike Bernie or Biden (hell I supported Bernie in 2016), but four years makes a big difference at these ages, and this year, unlike in 2016, we have a ton of more youthful candidates to select from.


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« Reply #158 on: May 03, 2019, 06:45:38 PM »
It's hard to argue against facts.  Either one of these guys could be the victim of senility.  Right now, I thought they both looked pretty good.

I tried to think of another president who was old.  The only one i could think of was Ronald Reagan.  There have been many claims that he suffered from senility while in the White House.

There are a lot of better candidates running this time.  (Well, maybe not Donald.)  One of the remarkable things to note is that they are promulgating Bernie's "radical" ideas from 2016.  So, in a way even if he isn't the anointed one, he'll still win.

I listened to Joe Biden's speech and picked on the "Health Care is a Right."  Sounded quite familiar.

If he isn't selected, he's still a Senator and will still do a lot of good.

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« Reply #159 on: May 03, 2019, 07:06:36 PM »
I mean dementia onset rates start climbing even in people's 60s. If you assume the potential two term presidency and you want to be really safe about who you give the nuclear codes to you could easily make an argument for focusing on candidates at or below 50 when the race for the nomination for president starts a couple of years before anyone is finally going to take office. That'd leave us with just Booker,* O’Rourke, Castro, Yang, Buttigieg, and Gabbard.

Note, I'm not making this argument. Just pointing out that if you are going to worry about the age of the nominee vis-a-vis ability to remain mentally competent for 4 or 8 years, there are many more folks to worry about than just Biden and Sanders.

*Who'd be 51 at his inauguration but isn't yet. He's also probably be the first bachelor president in a rather long time. "I hate it that people assume I'd be a bachelor president. It's literally 700 days from now. You never know."

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« Reply #160 on: May 03, 2019, 07:13:09 PM »
I guess I have to like what they stand for too.

I've liked what Tulsi Gabbard says, but her website does not seem chock'o'block full of what she stands for.

https://www.tulsi2020.com/

Getting out of these crazy wars sounds pretty good to me.

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« Reply #161 on: May 03, 2019, 07:24:54 PM »
Yeah of those six I'd be varying degrees of happy with five as the eventual nominee and I think the same five would do a fine job as president.

Gabbard is too cozy with Bashar al-Assad for my taste.

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« Reply #162 on: May 04, 2019, 05:07:03 PM »
She talked to him.  Is that cozy?

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/10/tulsi-gabbard-assad-syria-1214882

She was a soldier.  She is a Senator.  Maybe she is right that there is an entrenched group in our government that is saber happy.  It does seem as though there are some public officials who want to shoot first and ask the questions later or maybe never.

Seems like they set Colin Powell up with some bad info in front of the UN a few years back.

All that money spent on overseas wars could have fixed a lot of potholes.

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« Reply #163 on: May 04, 2019, 05:21:19 PM »
She was a soldier.  She is a Senator.  Maybe she is right that there is an entrenched group in our government that is saber happy.  It does seem as though there are some public officials who want to shoot first and ask the questions later or maybe never.

While a great deal of your post is hard to falsify so we may each have to accept that we perceive the world differently, I can say when a great deal of confidence that Tulsi Gabbard is not a senator nor has she been on in the past.

Edit, with regard to the Syria issue, obviously different people are going to have different judgements on how good or bad her actions are, but I think it is misleading to summarize those actions as simply meeting with al-Assad.

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By way of background, Rep. Gabbard’s trip has proven controversial for a number of reasons: She reportedly declined to inform House leadership in advance, met with Bashar al-Assad, toured with officials from a Lebanese political party that actively supports Assad, and received funding from an American organization that counts one of those same officials as its executive director. Moreover, both before and after traveling to Syria, the congresswoman channeled some of Assad’s positions on the war in statements to the public.

Source: https://www.lawfareblog.com/legal-analysis-rep-tulsi-gabbards-trip-syria
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« Reply #164 on: May 04, 2019, 06:24:22 PM »
It could be misleading as I'm not one to follow the news as closely as others.  I read your link.  From the link:

"Will anything come of this? In theory, the House could impose disciplinary measures, but Rep. Gabbard’s trip doesn’t seem to be the type of conduct that warrants anything close to a severe response. Yes, she circumvented congressional leadership. And yes, she met with a notorious war criminal. But she appears to have been driven by genuine concern about U.S. policy and the conditions in Syria, rather than self-aggrandizement or other improper motives. The Committee on Standards of Official Conduct might conceivably issue a letter of reproval or informally communicate an objection, but it’s hard to envision much more than that."

It doesn't bother me that she had a talk with a foreign leader.  It may be a good thing that she had an independent talk.  It may be a bad thing.  I don't know.

I don't think she is going to get very far in the Presidential primaries, but I like the anti war message.  I've talked to ex military people who have been to the middle east and they seem to be as confused about why we are there as I am.

How about Joe, the Democratic front-runner?

He doesn't have time to explain his health care plan.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/joe-biden-healthcare-2020-campaign-bernie-sanders-elizabeth-warren-a8898926.html

Maybe it will be the same "terrific" one our president spoke of.

The guy has been in the political arena a long time.  Where's the man with the plan?

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« Reply #166 on: May 20, 2019, 01:55:37 AM »
Charter Schools?

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/5/18/18630435/bernie-sanders-charter-schools-2020-presidential-candidates-policies

I really don't know about this.

It's easy: Charter school are those where the rich(er) people can bring their children so that they can withheld money from public schools without hurting themselves. The system also keeps away unfitting (aka non-white) friends from their children.

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« Reply #167 on: May 20, 2019, 07:29:04 PM »
Charter Schools?

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/5/18/18630435/bernie-sanders-charter-schools-2020-presidential-candidates-policies

I really don't know about this.

It's easy: Charter school are those where the rich(er) people can bring their children so that they can withheld money from public schools without hurting themselves. The system also keeps away unfitting (aka non-white) friends from their children.

OK - So it continues the ongoing trend of dividing society.  I guess it helps kids to get the "right" kind of education.  So, it's a bit like the private schools rich folks send their kids to.  I get it.

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« Reply #168 on: May 20, 2019, 08:41:45 PM »
Charter Schools?

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/5/18/18630435/bernie-sanders-charter-schools-2020-presidential-candidates-policies

I really don't know about this.

It's easy: Charter school are those where the rich(er) people can bring their children so that they can withheld money from public schools without hurting themselves. The system also keeps away unfitting (aka non-white) friends from their children.

Easy but not correct, at least in some states.  E.g., https://lacharterschools.org/about-charter-schools/:
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Charter school students have similar demographic characteristics to students in all public schools in Louisiana, but charter schools serve a larger percentage of economically disadvantaged students and black students.

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« Reply #169 on: May 21, 2019, 02:17:23 AM »
Charter Schools?

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/5/18/18630435/bernie-sanders-charter-schools-2020-presidential-candidates-policies

I really don't know about this.

It's easy: Charter school are those where the rich(er) people can bring their children so that they can withheld money from public schools without hurting themselves. The system also keeps away unfitting (aka non-white) friends from their children.

Easy but not correct, at least in some states.  E.g., https://lacharterschools.org/about-charter-schools/:
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Charter school students have similar demographic characteristics to students in all public schools in Louisiana, but charter schools serve a larger percentage of economically disadvantaged students and black students.

The source about charter schools is a charter school association? hm...
Also Loisiana is the worst example because of the after-Katrina specialities.

Anyway, Charter Schools are privately managed schools with less rules than normal schools (and which are at least partially exploited for profit).
They are often founded by parents who want to do something different to normal public schools. We can debate wether this is good or bad (not teaching evolution or sex ed), but the thing is that it does lead to fueling the circle of underpaid public schools -> privatization -> more underpayment (because there are charter schools, so we don't need to pay public schools, right?)
Also charter schools tend to be in certain areas, which alone creates a sort of bias.

In short, charter schools do not improve education (on average) while they introduce several (possible) problem points on an already burdened school system. 
The same effort put into normal public schools should yield better results.

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« Reply #170 on: May 21, 2019, 09:47:18 AM »
The source about charter schools is a charter school association? hm...
Actually, the source for the demographics in that article is "2015 student enrollment counts from the Louisiana Department of Education."

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« Reply #171 on: May 21, 2019, 10:13:16 AM »
Charter Schools?

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/5/18/18630435/bernie-sanders-charter-schools-2020-presidential-candidates-policies

I really don't know about this.

It's easy: Charter school are those where the rich(er) people can bring their children so that they can withheld money from public schools without hurting themselves. The system also keeps away unfitting (aka non-white) friends from their children.

Easy but not correct, at least in some states.  E.g., https://lacharterschools.org/about-charter-schools/:
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Charter school students have similar demographic characteristics to students in all public schools in Louisiana, but charter schools serve a larger percentage of economically disadvantaged students and black students.

Just because the statewide demographics are similar between charter and other public schools doesn't mean that each individual school is diverse.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2015/04/15/white-parents-in-north-carolina-are-using-charter-schools-to-secede-from-the-education-system/?utm_term=.3dee7ca36565

Louisiana probably isn't the best example considering ~90% of public school students attend a charter school in New Orleans which in turn accounts for over half of the charter school students in the state.

https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2014/05/30/317374739/new-orleans-district-moves-to-an-all-charter-system
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« Reply #172 on: May 21, 2019, 10:14:12 AM »
The source about charter schools is a charter school association? hm...
Actually, the source for the demographics in that article is "2015 student enrollment counts from the Louisiana Department of Education."

I don't think the suggestion was that the data was false, rather it has been selectively presented.

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« Reply #173 on: May 21, 2019, 10:43:24 AM »
The source about charter schools is a charter school association? hm...
Actually, the source for the demographics in that article is "2015 student enrollment counts from the Louisiana Department of Education."

I don't think the suggestion was that the data was false, rather it has been selectively presented.
What would you suggest as an unselective way to present it?

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« Reply #174 on: June 08, 2019, 03:03:46 PM »
So Bernie is going to make a speech defending "Democratic Socialism."

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/447574-sanders-to-give-speech-defending-democratic-socialism

I don't see it as a big deal.  I guess the big money interests don't like him.  He gave a talk at the annual Wal-Mart stockholders meeting asking them to pay their employees a living wage.  I think he was kind of ignored.  Why should they raise the pay?  He is asking them to respond to maybe a higher set of moral standards.  Business people today abide by the law and do not take money out of their pocket for expenses when they don't have to.

I doubt whether Bernie's effort will have any impact on their bottom line.  There will be no lawsuits filed.  The subsidies received by their employees from the Federal government allows them another opportunity to keep their prices low and maintain market share.

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« Reply #175 on: June 13, 2019, 06:03:32 PM »
He gave his speech.  He said he will give a detailed explanation of what he will do.  That is the opposite of sound bites.  How will that sell?

45 minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1PaKR-PaXg

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« Reply #177 on: June 25, 2019, 09:08:49 AM »
Bernie is now joining the forgive all student loan bandwagon:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/zackfriedman/2019/06/24/student-loans-bernie-sanders/#7ab7cca63fc2

And the Trump reelection campaign rejoices, watching their opposing party pull ever more to the left.


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« Reply #178 on: June 25, 2019, 04:39:54 PM »
Will amnesty for student loans be a way of buying him votes?  I presume that many of those who owe the bucks are now old enough to see the benefit in it for themselves.  What's Trump offering this go-around?  I wonder if he's got anything for me.

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« Reply #179 on: June 29, 2019, 12:03:30 AM »
Bernie is now joining the forgive all student loan bandwagon:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/zackfriedman/2019/06/24/student-loans-bernie-sanders/#7ab7cca63fc2

And the Trump reelection campaign rejoices, watching their opposing party pull ever more to the left.
Funnily enough that is an extremely "right" thing (or should be) since after all better education is better for the economy und ultimately teh state budget because of higher incomes (=taxes). And less burden means more people getting it. (Of course, that mostly allows the "wrong" people to get a higher education, so the right hates it).

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« Reply #180 on: June 29, 2019, 11:51:56 AM »
Will amnesty for student loans be a way of buying him votes?  I presume that many of those who owe the bucks are now old enough to see the benefit in it for themselves.  What's Trump offering this go-around?  I wonder if he's got anything for me.

I haven't heard anything.  I think he said he had a great health care plan. lol  There's a whole laundry list of freebies that democrats are campaigning on:

free pre-K
UBI dividend (with exclusions)
$6000 tax credit (with exclusions)
baby bonds
reparations
free college
wiped out college debt
mandated paid family leave
free child care
healthcare for illegals / universal healthcare / public option / Medicare for all - not necessarily free

All that free stuff (or otherwise subsidized by taxpayers) would be tremendously expensive.  Trump will probably push for more tax cuts, mostly for the wealthy.

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« Reply #181 on: June 29, 2019, 12:00:14 PM »
Old Bernie the independent, who only joins the Democratic party when it's convenient for him.

We gonna act like the system isn’t rigged by the two parties to prevent third party candidates from competing? We’re you not alive in 2016 as the Democratic Party lubed up Bern’s anus and f*cked him in that spot?

Old Bernie the independent, who only joins the Democratic party when it’s convenient for him.

I’m pretty sure I addressed that. Take a look at the history of third party candidates. Years ago the Dems and Republican bastards teamed up to make it difficult for independent candidates to raise money and be competitive. He is using the system to get his message out.

Maybe if he was an actual Democrat, the party would have been more interested in backing his candidacy.

The republican bastards had non problem backing Trump, who was a registered democrat until 2009.

Well, they did... until they realized they didn’t have a choice.

This is accurate.

Wikipedia puts Bernie at 77. Creepy uncle Joe is 76 and Trump is 73.

Republican has a metric ton of candidates in 2015 as well.  It happens.  It will be interesting to see who emerges.  Do you think it's the media who drives the candidate choice more than anything?

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« Reply #182 on: June 29, 2019, 12:01:30 PM »
Ok, now that he's in, might as well jump the shark and *really* go for it. Pick AOC for VP Bern. I dare ya!

If there is ever a day when AOC is running for VP or POTUS I think I will become a political activist and spend my time trying to convince people not to vote for her. God help us all.

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« Reply #183 on: June 29, 2019, 12:04:35 PM »
As much as I like Bernie, Democrats want a more moderate party.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/245462/democrats-favor-moderate-party-gop-conservative.aspx

Whether the DNC realizes this in time is the question. Or are they re-running 2016?

As for your last statement, I don't really get it. The DNC last time chose the moderate over the further left guy. So, how would they be re-running 2016?

Hillary didn't lose the election because she was too moderate. She lost the election because she was Hillary.

+1.  She didn't work hard enough and took the midwest for granted.

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« Reply #184 on: June 29, 2019, 12:06:48 PM »
I haven't looked into the data but I wonder how folks in the LGBTQ community lean re: the Dems announcing thus far.

Electorally, I wouldn't expect the LGBTQ population to have enough votes in swing states to move the needle. I might be wrong on that, though.

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« Reply #185 on: June 29, 2019, 02:52:08 PM »
I am not voting in the Democratic primary, but I like Kamala Harris.  I don't know enough about her, but I find her likeable and think she would be difficult for Trump to compete against.  There is a huge amount of contrast, and I think that would play well.  Trump would crush Bernie.
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« Reply #186 on: June 29, 2019, 04:24:01 PM »
I am not voting in the Democratic primary, but I like Kamala Harris.  I don't know enough about her, but I find her likeable and think she would be difficult for Trump to compete against.  There is a huge amount of contrast, and I think that would play well.  Trump would crush Bernie.

Quite a number of polls say otherwise.  I think there is a group out there that really hates Bernie, but his ideas seem to be catching fire.  You never used to hear so many people talk about reforming healthcare.  The changes that will finally be implemented may not be the exact ones he is proposing, but they will certainly be in that direction.

Quite a lot of people do not see Trump as a good president.  I think they want a change even more than when they voted him in.  It will be interesting to see if there are lawsuits against him if he loses his presidential bid in 2020.

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« Reply #187 on: June 29, 2019, 04:47:29 PM »
I think the polls also said Hillary would win.  But, I might be wrong.  I am not good at predicting these things, but I do like Kamala Harris the best of the bunch so far. 

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« Reply #188 on: July 22, 2019, 01:28:03 PM »
Old Bernie gives a quiz.

https://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-medicare-all-quiz-1449567

He is comparing Joe Biden to Donald Trump.

Bernie has said some very nasty things about Donald Trump.

https://www.axios.com/debate-night-democrats-trump-attacks-c07f8b1f-e710-48ec-b8d2-3a071d9aacc2.html

Is he (Trump) really a pathological liar and a racist?  Or is he just a normal liar like many politicians?

Bernie has been the type to stick to the issues and this personal attack thing should be avoided by all of these candidates.

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Re: Old Bernie is Running
« Reply #189 on: July 22, 2019, 01:55:49 PM »
I think the polls also said Hillary would win.

If you thought the polls in 2016 were bad (they weren't that far off, people just didn't understand what the numbers meant and thought 60/40 meant it was going to be a blowout for Hillary instead of "in 6 of 10 elections, she'd probably win"), wait for the 2020 polls.

Four years of calling Trump voters every dirty name someone can think of is probably going to impact the willingness of people to answer poll questions honestly in swing states.

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Re: Old Bernie is Running
« Reply #190 on: July 22, 2019, 02:14:09 PM »
I will not talk to any pollster that calls me.  I am not exactly a swing voter, but I live in a swing state.

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Re: Old Bernie is Running
« Reply #191 on: July 22, 2019, 04:49:48 PM »
The Latest Trump Poll.  Will it be unbiased?  An opportunity for unbiased honesty.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/landing/2020-trump-vs-dem-poll

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Re: Old Bernie is Running
« Reply #192 on: July 22, 2019, 04:54:16 PM »
The Latest Trump Poll.  Will it be unbiased?  An opportunity for unbiased honesty.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/landing/2020-trump-vs-dem-poll

LOL! You've looked at the questions, right?

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Re: Old Bernie is Running
« Reply #193 on: July 23, 2019, 12:36:45 PM »
If he literally ran, I'd vote for him. Show me a 12 minute mile and I'll become a Bernie Bro.

World Record in his age group is just over 6 minutes - https://www.usatf.org/statistics/records/view.asp?division=american&location=road&age=masters&ageGroup=75-79&sport=LDR

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Re: Old Bernie is Running
« Reply #194 on: July 27, 2019, 07:26:13 AM »
The Latest Trump Poll.  Will it be unbiased?  An opportunity for unbiased honesty.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/landing/2020-trump-vs-dem-poll

LOL! You've looked at the questions, right?

One point from me to Trump - about taxes, though that stretches the meaning of "trust" quite a bit and does ignore effects of decisions.

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Re: Old Bernie is Running
« Reply #195 on: July 31, 2019, 06:05:35 AM »
Old Bernie was in a debate with half of the Democrats running last night.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/30/politics/who-won-democratic-debate/index.html

Lots of talk.

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Re: Old Bernie is Running
« Reply #196 on: August 08, 2019, 08:58:08 PM »
This is why we will get 8 years of Trump.



agreed!

Yup. Guaranteed there are some ties to Russia-backed organizations like the Sparts in his background. Nobody has dumped oppo on him yet.

I think Bernie may be compromised, too.

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Re: Old Bernie is Running
« Reply #197 on: August 08, 2019, 10:00:08 PM »
If you thought the polls in 2016 were bad (they weren't that far off, people just didn't understand what the numbers meant and thought 60/40 meant it was going to be a blowout for Hillary instead of "in 6 of 10 elections, she'd probably win"), wait for the 2020 polls.

^  This.  The polls were actually farther off in 2012, only they were off in the direction of the winner.  In 2016 the were wrong in the direction of the loser, and the 2016 results were much closer, so it seemed to magnify the error. 

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Re: Old Bernie is Running
« Reply #198 on: August 09, 2019, 04:53:44 AM »
They were right when Dewey defeated Truman.

Bernie did a long interview with Joe Rogan.  Link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2O-iLk1G_ng

Long time to 2020.  Maybe the eventual winner has not even decided to run yet.  It could be YOU.

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Re: Old Bernie is Running
« Reply #199 on: August 09, 2019, 06:11:00 AM »
I admit I've never been a huge Bernie fan and the MSM always portrays him as some crazy loud far left guy, flailing his arms about yelling about god knows what.

I have to say that it was sooo refreshing to see Bernie in this type of long format interview on Rogan's podcast. Yang and Gabbard also went on Rogan and i enjoyed both of those podcasts as well. Bernie's already has 6 million views in 2 days. He came off far more rational in this type of format and i thoroughly enjoyed it. I may not agree with everything he says, but it is just nice to here stuff from the horses mouth when the interviewer isn't trying to twist their words or play to some agenda. I'd love to see a point in time where every presidential candidate does this type of long format interview on youtube.