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Mustachianism as a response to Trump
« on: December 12, 2016, 04:25:12 PM »
Many of my liberal friends are beside themselves with fear/anger/despair/younameit over the recent election. There's a great deal of debate about how to respond.

It occurred to me that embracing full-on Mustachianism might be a viable option for these folks. Here's the thinking:

Just for starters, by pulling the plug on cable TV, they'd not only be saving money bigly, but they would be eliminating a major source of agita in their lives. Cancelling the subscription to the daily newspaper would not only save a few bucks but might save a tree or two.

Kicking the clown car habit in favor of bikes (especially if embraced by a substantial portion of those who voted for Clinton) would reduce carbon emissions and maybe, just maybe help stave off climate change (in which our new president doesn't believe) for a minute or two. It would also hit the fossil fuel industry most of which seems to be joining the cabinet where it lives.

Embracing radical frugality would negatively affect the national economy, thus depriving the Trump administration of any bragging rights it thought might be coming its way, while perhaps bolstering local economies. (Think buying used from garage sales and Craigslist.)

Some of the money thus saved could be directed to anti-Trump causes (ACLU, MoveOn, etc). Some could be used to combat climate change. Imagine if a million Clinton voters purchased an electric car! And of course much of it could go to FIRE.

I'm sure more experienced Mustachians can think of other things to add to the list, but I think you get the idea.

I can also see some possible negative consequences to this approach, which I will leave to others to point out.

But I would be very interested to hear the community's thoughts on this, pro and con. And while we're on the subject, has anyone done any research on the distribution of Mustachians across the political spectrum?

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Re: Mustachianism as a response to Trump
« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2016, 04:38:38 PM »
I think there are many things about mustachianism in general that either directly or indirectly combat one's investment/participation in the idiocies of life in the 21st century.

The one thing that I'd like to point out as a definite limitation of this philosophy is that, for many non-white, non-straight, non-male, non-Christian, non-affluent people, ignoring it isn't going to prevent Trump's presidency from negatively impacting their daily lives.

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Re: Mustachianism as a response to Trump
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2016, 06:28:13 PM »
As an historical perspective, being FI didn't help any Jews in Germany.   

Especially the ones who kept their heads down and tried to blend in with everyone else.

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Re: Mustachianism as a response to Trump
« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2016, 06:33:24 PM »
As an historical perspective, being FI didn't help any Jews in Germany.   

Especially the ones who kept their heads down and tried to blend in with everyone else.

Exactly. "Low information" in their case translated to their trusting that things couldn't get that bad.

We know how that worked for them.

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Re: Mustachianism as a response to Trump
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2016, 06:47:27 PM »
As an historical perspective, being FI didn't help any Jews in Germany.   

Especially the ones who kept their heads down and tried to blend in with everyone else.

Exactly. "Low information" in their case translated to their trusting that things couldn't get that bad.

We know how that worked for them.

No, but it was mostly ok as long as you weren't Jewish, gay, or hiding Jewish people.  So as noted previously, rich white straight males are probably fine.  The rest of us should probably pay attention, though.

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Re: Mustachianism as a response to Trump
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2016, 06:51:37 PM »
As an historical perspective, being FI didn't help any Jews in Germany.   

Especially the ones who kept their heads down and tried to blend in with everyone else.

Exactly. "Low information" in their case translated to their trusting that things couldn't get that bad.

We know how that worked for them.

No, but it was mostly ok as long as you weren't Jewish, gay, or hiding Jewish people.  So as noted previously, rich white straight males are probably fine. The rest of us should probably pay attention, though.

And, people who care about people who aren't rich white straight males.

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Re: Mustachianism as a response to Trump
« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2016, 06:53:30 PM »
As an historical perspective, being FI didn't help any Jews in Germany.   

Especially the ones who kept their heads down and tried to blend in with everyone else.

Exactly. "Low information" in their case translated to their trusting that things couldn't get that bad.

We know how that worked for them.

No, but it was mostly ok as long as you weren't Jewish, gay, or hiding Jewish people.  So as noted previously, rich white straight males are probably fine. The rest of us should probably pay attention, though.

And, people who care about people who aren't rich white straight males.

Hahahaha!  Good one.  Clearly there aren't too many of those (finishes bottle).

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Re: Mustachianism as a response to Trump
« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2016, 06:55:16 PM »
And, people who care about people who aren't rich white straight males.

This really does well to advance your cause.

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Re: Mustachianism as a response to Trump
« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2016, 06:57:41 PM »
And, people who care about people who aren't rich white straight males.

This really does well to advance your cause.

Actually, I mis-wrote. I meant to write: "And, people who don't care about people who aren't rich white straight (Christian) males."

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Re: Mustachianism as a response to Trump
« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2016, 09:38:18 PM »
And, people who care about people who aren't rich white straight males.

This really does well to advance your cause.

Well, being dismissive of the other party's voters seemed to work out fine for the Republicans. After Obama was elected I don't remember any of this hand wringing that they lost because they hurt the feelings of the Obama coalition.  Instead, they doubled down on being dicks to Obama (and his voters!), swept into legislative power in 2010, and 8 years later they managed to elect a total incompetent.  In fact, if this election teaches us anything, it's that Trump voters respond well to someone who is a blowhard and a jerk to them as long as he promises to be a bigger jerk to people with different skin color.

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Re: Mustachianism as a response to Trump
« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2016, 09:49:35 PM »
In all seriousness, I think that anti-mustachian behavior and attitudes likely explains the surge of Trump's middle class support.  Economic anxiety when you pull down low six figures seems ridiculous, but if you blow it all on an RV and Disney trips, you are feeling the pinch.  These sorts of decisions seem common to me in the Trump voters I know. They have 10k for Disney every year, but if you ask them to pay $600/month for health insurance, they get all bent out of shape and cry poor.

Spreading the gospel of mustachianism would be far more beneficial to these folks than any change in policy.  Everyone can benefit from mustachianism, but my experience is that Trump conservatives need it more than everyone else (note: this excludes other more frugal conservatives like frugal evangelicals, crunchy conservatives, libertarians, etc.), including liberals.


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Re: Mustachianism as a response to Trump
« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2016, 05:17:52 AM »
I think there are many things about mustachianism in general that either directly or indirectly combat one's investment/participation in the idiocies of life in the 21st century.

The one thing that I'd like to point out as a definite limitation of this philosophy is that, for many non-white, non-straight, non-male, non-Christian, non-affluent people, ignoring it isn't going to prevent Trump's presidency from negatively impacting their daily lives.

The low information diet is about sphere of control. If these people can have some control over how the government impacts their lives, then they should stay informed. If they have zero control, worrying about it is a waste of mental energy that could be used for positive action. That's (my understanding of) the message of mustachianism.