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Number of times Thurston Howell, III saved the castaways by the end of the show = 0.
Number of times The Professor saved their bacon = pretty much every freaking time.
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I Heart Science!
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Trump administration mandating EPA scientific studies, data undergo review by political staff before public release. A.P. 1/26/2017
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Save science. Save our democracy.
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I believe scientists. They’re wicked smaht. (This is particularly for Boston!!!)
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What do we want? Evidence Based Science?
When Do We Want it? After peer review!
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I like #1 and #6!
I expect there will be a lot of very longwinded, full paragraph signs...
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I'd probably just print this out on our department's poster-printer. No slogans necessary:
(http://www.isws.illinois.edu/atmos/statecli/climate-change/global-temp-and-co2-1880-2009.gif)
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I like #6 the most. How about this one? " To hinder science is to hinder progress!"
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“The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it.”
Edit to add a couple more:
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts."
"You don't need people's opinion on a fact."
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“The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it.”
Edit to add a couple more:
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts."
"You don't need people's opinion on a fact."
Ooh. I like these best.
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I like "Citation Needed"
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"Science...it works, b*tches" (quote from Dawkins)
"Do you even science bro???"
"Science is the key to our future...if you don't believe in it, you are holding everybody back"
"Science - it's not a liberal conspiracy!"
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I like "Citation Needed"
Brilliant! Over top of a bunch of ridiculous crap DJT has said, perhaps...
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I think this sums it up nicely:
DEMAND EVIDENCE
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Number of times Thurston Howell, III saved the castaways by the end of the show = 0.
Number of times The Professor saved their bacon = pretty much every freaking time.
Too wordy and based in fiction. You could present it as a scoreboard (you'd need to research the Professor's score). Refer to Thurston Howell, III as "The Millionaire" for more clarity and impact.
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I Heart Science!
Purely opinion, but I like it.
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Save science. Save our democracy.
This is OK.
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What do we want? Evidence Based Science?
When Do We Want it? After peer review!
I love the impact of the punch line "After peer review!"; but I wonder why the first response "Evidence Based Science?" is a question rather than statement/exclamation.
I find the global warming chart a tad difficult to read to have an impact at quick glance. It also raises questions upon analysis: How is global temperature measured? How is global CO2 concentration measured? What is the significance of the reference temperature? (It appears that this is 57.6 F, but it is not labeled - it also confused me that this line lines up with a tick mark on the CO2 concentration scale - at first I thought the temperature bars were CO2 concentration and the line was temperature.)
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Number of times Thurston Howell, III saved the castaways by the end of the show = 0.
Number of times The Professor saved their bacon = pretty much every freaking time.
Too wordy and based in fiction. You could present it as a scoreboard (you'd need to research the Professor's score). Refer to Thurston Howell, III as "The Millionaire" for more clarity and impact.
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I Heart Science!
Purely opinion, but I like it.
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Save science. Save our democracy.
This is OK.
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What do we want? Evidence Based Science?
When Do We Want it? After peer review!
I love the impact of the punch line "After peer review!"; but I wonder why the first response "Evidence Based Science?" is a question rather than statement/exclamation.
I find the global warming chart a tad difficult to read to have an impact at quick glance. It also raises questions upon analysis: How is global temperature measured? How is global CO2 concentration measured? What is the significance of the reference temperature? (It appears that this is 57.6 F, but it is not labeled - it also confused me that this line lines up with a tick mark on the CO2 concentration scale - at first I thought the temperature bars were CO2 concentration and the line was temperature.)
Excellent suggestions (and thanks for catching typos, etc.) - plus thank you to all previous posters! Keep 'em coming!
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Scientists show power
By rejecting the false null
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Make America Scientific Again!
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I find the global warming chart a tad difficult to read to have an impact at quick glance. It also raises questions upon analysis: How is global temperature measured? How is global CO2 concentration measured? What is the significance of the reference temperature? (It appears that this is 57.6 F, but it is not labeled - it also confused me that this line lines up with a tick mark on the CO2 concentration scale - at first I thought the temperature bars were CO2 concentration and the line was temperature.)
Guessing the 57.6 would be the global average for the last xx number of years. Red lines indicate years of above average temps... they are getting much taller with increasing CO2 concentrations.
One of the real problems a protest of this nature will face is that being dumb cuts through much more effectively than considered thought and logical reason.
3 word/1 syllable slogans seem to play really well, especially in Australia in recent years - "ditch the witch", "axe the tax", "stop the boats" etc.
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Facts politicians don't like are no less valid.
Scientific data isn't republican or democrat.
Freedom = Truth
Killing Bruno didn't make the earth the center of the universe.
Science (null sign) politics
Denied facts are still facts.
Silencing the truth doesn't make it less valid.
If you want alternate facts ask a politician.
If you want facts ask a scientist.
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"Facts don't care about the size of your ego"
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Posting to follow!
Will post some if I think of them through the day. I especially like DeGrasse-Tyson's quote about science being true whether you believe it or not. I also kind of can't believe I have to fucking march because people are so obstinate as to not believe in science...but then again, when I was 12, I had to argue with my grandmother about the existence of dinosaurs and how one might avoid AIDS (pro-tip: not with rubbing alcohol on the subway), so there's that.
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I saw this tweet earlier today and it gave me a chuckle. It's too long for a sign, but perhaps just the first part works...
First they came for the scientists... and the National Parks Services said "lol, no" and went rogue and we were all like, "I was not expecting the park rangers to lead the resistance, none of the dystopian novels I read prepared me for this."
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(For children of the 1980s)
She blinded me with Science. Science!
and then a drawing of Lady Liberty
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Make America Scientific Again!
I really like this one.
Also like #6 on the original list.
Another idea:
Science is not a belief system
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Now that I've had a little wine, I'm thinking that what about spelling stuff out with traditional math symbols? The integral symbol (for non-math folks looks like an "f") then mu (which looks like a "u") comes to mind as a start.
Drawing the structure of amino acids to spell something out also comes to mind, though that would be very biology-geeky indeed, and not make for great message copy in a photo.
I also like the quote from Indiana Jones III, in which the father says to the Nazi something about why they went back to Berlin for the diary, "try reading books instead of burning them".
It is tough to come up with a pithy slogan for science, that doesn't just sound like a pitch for a Big Bang Theory episode.
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Posting to follow. I love these.
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I think if I make a sign it will be a jab at "alternate facts". Maybe: "Science, because we need real facts, not alternate ones" or something along those lines.
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I think if I make a sign it will be a jab at "alternate facts". Maybe: "Science, because we need real facts, not alternate ones" or something along those lines.
Something like this? :)
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Consider your audience.
90% of them will not get the references in your signs.
You are dealing with stupid, shallow, vacuous people who think that a fancy car and a big shack and the right kind of nail art is going to make their lives complete.
Hit them where they live.
I suggest:
Beauty Fades. Stupid is Forever.
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Love, love, love these ideas!!!
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Scientists Tell It Like It Is.
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Thought of another one:
Polio.
NOT brought to you since 1961.
You can thank science
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Another funny one I saw today...
"There's no vaccine for STUPID...but we are working on it"
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I'll see you again in the Sharashka!
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Scientists: p < 0.05
Trump: p = 0.47
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Scientists: p < 0.05
Trump: p = 0.47
Love it but only us geeks will get it. :-(
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Scientists: p < 0.05
Trump: p = 0.47
Love it but only us geeks will get it. :-(
you are probably right.
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Another funny one I saw today...
"There's no vaccine for STUPID...but we are working on it"
LOVE this one!
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http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/01/science-march-planners-here-s-some-unsolicited-advice
An excellent article we should all read.
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I've always been partial to a picture of Eve about to grab an apple from the tree of knowledge, then God coming out of the clouds, and with his booming voice: "NO! Facts is bad"
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Thought of another one. For this to work, the font needs to match the "Got Milk?" adverting campaign.
Got Plague?
Yeah, me neither.
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"For science. You monster"
Because Portal, that's why.
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Hey, would someone please explain the sign:
Scientists: p < 0.05
Trump: p = 0.47
I know what p values are, but I am missing the punchline.
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I meant .47
I'm missing the point, in any case.
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1. Science knows no country, because knowledge belongs to humanity, and is the torch that illuminates the world. (Louis Pasteur)
2. Science > Shit You Read on Twitter
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I meant .47
I'm missing the point, in any case.
It was overly dorky, and only marginally correct. Basically scientists typically use a p-value of <0.05 to reject the null hypothesis.
Trump's election (garnering only 47% of the popular vote) is, statistically speaking, insignificant.
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Thank you so much!!! I was losing my mind over that one. And lots of other things, need I say?
xo
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"Facts don't care about the size of your ego"
"Or your hands."
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Free the data! (referring to missing data from websites)
There are no alternative facts/Global warming is happening
America became great/With the help of science
Draw conclusions from facts, not politics
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A silly one that made me laugh:
A picture of Trump with his gold hair on top of a line saying: AU - Get Out Here!
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Thought of another one. For this to work, the font needs to match the "Got Milk?" adverting campaign.
Got Plague?
Yeah, me neither.
Got Plague?
Yeah, me neither.
Thank a scientist...
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My co-worker (Ph.D. physicist) plans to make a sign with Maxwell's equations on it, and the phrase "dispute this".
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http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/01/science-march-planners-here-s-some-unsolicited-advice
An excellent article we should all read.
And I particularly liked this quote in there:
Alternative facts don’t exist in science
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http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/01/science-march-planners-here-s-some-unsolicited-advice
An excellent article we should all read.
And I particularly liked this quote in there:
Alternative facts don’t exist in science
Alternative hypotheses are not alternative facts!
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No science?
No antibiotics
No survivable surgeries.
Who's left?
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I've thought of a slogan, though it probably doesn't belong in the March of Science.
MAKE AMERICA GOOD AGAIN
I feel that by allying ourselves with murderers of democracy such as Putin, by standing by while such as Assad slaughter their people, by continuing to support the Saudis and illegal Israeli settlements-- we are headed down the road of evil.
[apologies for going off-topic... if anyone would like to discuss, we can start a new thread.]
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Dihydrogen monoxide out of our water!
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How about something like "Public Health Makes America Safe" or "Public Health [insert safety language pulled from homeland security rhetoric here]"
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I'm leaning toward something like:
Alternative Facts are LIES!
(Read a book!)
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"Too often we... enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." - JOHN F. KENNEDY
"Knowing a great deal is not the same as being smart; intelligence is not information alone but also judgment, the manner in which information is collected and used." - Carl Sagan
"Think for yourselves and let others enjoy the privilege to do so, too" - Voltaire
"Reason obeys itself: ignorance submits to what is dictated to it." - Thomas Paine
"The eye sees only what the mind is prepared to comprehend." - HENRI BERGSON, French Philosopher and Educator
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"Conservation means development as much as it does protection. I recognize the right and duty of this generation to develop and use the natural resources of our land; but I do not recognize the right to waste them, or to rob, by wasteful use, the generations that come after us." Teddy Roosevelt
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Thanks everyone for these ideas.
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How about "Science - Fact Check It!"
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Throwing this question up here first, if anyone knows of a different thread and/or sub-forum it would fit better in, let me know.
I'm involved in organising the march for science in my town (Heidelberg). One idea that has been mooted (after a brainstorming session with some media advisors, during which we came up with various slogans) was to have an online "pick my perfect slogan" game. The format would be the simple choose one of two boxes type. So of two slogans, you click on the one you like, then a different alternative is shown, you keep the one you liked before or the new one if you like it better, and then the next alternative is offered. Once you've clicked through all 12, you have the one you like best. Obviously, those 12 slogans won't be the only slogans you can use, but it'd be a fun little thing and maybe useful for people like me who are terrible at coming up with slogans.
Only thing is that we don't have any programmers on our organising committee. Would anyone here be interested and able to do that? Feel free to pass it along if you know someone who might be interested. It might be one of those things that turns out to be more trouble than it's worth but maybe not. If you're interested you can reply here, PM me, or contact the march people directly (twitter: @ScienceMarchHD (http://@ScienceMarchHD), facebook https://www.facebook.com/ScienceMarchHD/ (https://www.facebook.com/ScienceMarchHD/))
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Quote Neil deGrasse Tyson: "Let's Make America Smart Again"
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Ignorance is curable. Stupidity is forever.
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One side of the poster:
How do you start a Trumpster fire?
Other side of the poster:
With Flynnt and Steele
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One side of the poster:
How do you start a Trumpster fire?
Other side of the poster:
With Flynnt and Steele
Very good. :D
We can't go after all, because we're attending son's science fair (he had the top project for his category in middle school, so he gets to go on to interschool tournament) but we bought T-shirts to support the Science March. There are a lot of great patterns if you go to their official store (https://www.marchforscience.com/store/) especially for the satellite marches. Wish we lived in Seattle!
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One side of the poster:
How do you start a Trumpster fire?
Other side of the poster:
With Flynnt and Steele
I don't understand the reference? Who are Flynnt and Steele?
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Flynn: (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_T._Flynn) Trump's first national security advisor, who was forced to resign after just 24 days because it was revealed that he lied about his contacts with the Russian ambassador. He's most recently in the news because he has offered to testify before Congress and speak to the FBI in exchange for immunity (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/30/us/politics/michael-flynn-congress-immunity-russia.html).
Steele: (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Steele) Famous for compiling the infamous Trump-Russia "pee-pee" dossier (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump%E2%80%93Russia_dossier).
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Currently deciding between:
I'd rather have questions that can't be answered than answers that can't be questioned - Richard Feynman
Science:
If you don't make mistakes you're doing it wrong
If you don't correct those mistakes you're really doing it wrong
If you can't accept that you're mistaken you're not doing it at all
Experiment. Fail. Learn. Repeat.
It's sometimes easier to reject strong evidence then admit you are wrong. This is information about ourselves worth having. - Sagan
Follow the evidence and question everything - Tyson
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"For science. You monster"
Because Portal, that's why.
Look at me still talking when there's science to do.
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I've decided what my sign will be:
Scientists: we work to solve problems for everyone
Inclusive and apolitical. hope everyone marches.
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Neil DeGrasse Tyson posted a video recently that has been widely shared on Facebook. Folks may be able to find some good sign quotes here.
From his Facebook post:
"Dear Facebook Universe
I offer this four-minute video on "Science in America" containing what may be the most important words I have ever spoken.
As always, but especially these days, keep looking up.
—Neil deGrasse Tyson"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MqTOEospfo
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Science, because it's better than making shit up.
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Neil DeGrasse Tyson posted a video recently that has been widely shared on Facebook. Folks may be able to find some good sign quotes here.
From his Facebook post:
"Dear Facebook Universe
I offer this four-minute video on "Science in America" containing what may be the most important words I have ever spoken.
As always, but especially these days, keep looking up.
—Neil deGrasse Tyson"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MqTOEospfo
EXCELLENT video!! Thank you for posting.
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Oh I thought of some new poster ideas:
Science built your car, asshole.
Science is the reason you're not living in a cave.
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Or print these:
https://www.marchforscience.com/posters/
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Oh I thought of some new poster ideas:
Science built your car, asshole.
Science is the reason you're not living in a cave.
I thought about doing something like:
Car Smartphone Vaccines Airplanes
Paint GPS Defibrillator Viagra
Electricity Internet Refrigeration
THANKS SCIENCE!
I tried to think of stuff that we take for granted in every day life but at the same time didn't want to make a giant list. Posters should be short and sweet.
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How about "Behold the power of observation."
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Well, that was a bit of a crazy day. Enjoying looking at photos of some of the posters from around the world now. I did like the one with a picture of Einstein above "Science cuts make me relatively angry".
This one doesn't quite roll off the tongue... "Teaching Evolution In Early Childhood May Result in Significant Academic, Social, Emotional, and Societal Benefits"
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If I was going to make a sign for the March for Science, it would say "Cutbacks in Science Education = People talking about Red Matter in a Star Trek movie. FOR SHAME!"
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New favourite
Https://twitter.com/alisongriswold/status/855795690462695425?s=09 (http://Https://twitter.com/alisongriswold/status/855795690462695425?s=09)
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I marched - no sign. I would say there were more than 1000 people, maybe as many as 2000.
How did it go for everyone?
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I marched - no sign. I would say there were more than 1000 people, maybe as many as 2000.
How did it go for everyone?
They said 10,000 people in St. Paul, MN.
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I marched - no sign. I would say there were more than 1000 people, maybe as many as 2000.
How did it go for everyone?
I marched +3 (husband + 2 friends) in [redacted city] Oregon. I would say same range, 1000+ people. I was shocked at how big of a turnout there was!
My favorite sign: tiny piece of paper on a popsicle stick that said "conserve resources". Also one that said "No Science, No Beer", which is even better since the lady owns her own company that provides independent lab tests for beer manufacturing =P The back story made it even better.
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I marched - no sign. I would say there were more than 1000 people, maybe as many as 2000.
How did it go for everyone?
They said 10,000 people in St. Paul, MN.
That's wonderful! How many in the St. Paul Women's March?
We had about 10000 here for the Women's March - so about 10% for science...
Although, one stat quoted was that scientist and farmers represent only 2% of the general population - no idea if that is accurate.
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I marched - no sign. I would say there were more than 1000 people, maybe as many as 2000.
How did it go for everyone?
They said 10,000 people in St. Paul, MN.
That's wonderful! How many in the St. Paul Women's March?
We had about 10000 here for the Women's March - so about 10% for science...
Although, one stat quoted was that scientist and farmers represent only 2% of the general population - no idea if that is accurate.
Official estimate is about 3000 people for the march. There were also two other March locations in the state.
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Our immediate family had a music lesson and an Earth Day beach cleanup so we couldn't go but my 72yo retired engineer dad went. AFAIK he's never marched for anything before. I'm so proud!
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I marched - no sign. I would say there were more than 1000 people, maybe as many as 2000.
How did it go for everyone?
They said 10,000 people in St. Paul, MN.
That's wonderful! How many in the St. Paul Women's March?
We had about 10000 here for the Women's March - so about 10% for science...
Although, one stat quoted was that scientist and farmers represent only 2% of the general population - no idea if that is accurate.
Estimates for the Women's march were 90,000-100,000.
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I marched - no sign. I would say there were more than 1000 people, maybe as many as 2000.
How did it go for everyone?
They said 10,000 people in St. Paul, MN.
That's wonderful! How many in the St. Paul Women's March?
We had about 10000 here for the Women's March - so about 10% for science...
Although, one stat quoted was that scientist and farmers represent only 2% of the general population - no idea if that is accurate.
Estimates for the Women's march were 90,000-100,000.
Wow! I can't even imagine what that looks like. Excellent!
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There's a very large academic community here. There was an estimated 1,000 marchers for the March for Science, after a predicted 200-300 by the local police department. To compare, the Women's March was ~1,500 and the anti-Trump march shortly after the election was 1,000-1,500 depending on which local news source you look at.
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I really liked the signs that said "Protest Sine" with a friend who held up a related "Protest Cosine", and variations of that.
Trigonometry is fun... Sexy Tans (Sec^2 = 1 + Tan^2) and Cosy Cots (Cosec^2 = 1 + Cot^2).
You can tell I had no friends at school :D
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I don't know why I found it so funny, but I cracked up at a sign that said, "I was told there would be π" (pi).
Also, there were a lot of good signs that involved Beaker (the muppet). One was his picture of Beaker holding up his fist with a speech bubble above his head that said "Angry Meeping" with a #RESIST underneath his picture.
It was the most lovingly nerdy protest I've ever been to (also in St. Paul, MN).
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Nice...
<iframe src="https://player.vimeo.com/video/214355465" width="640" height="360" frameborder="0" webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen allowfullscreen></iframe>
<p><a href="https://vimeo.com/214355465">Underwater March for Science at Wake Island, April 22, 2017</a> from <a href="https://vimeo.com/hawaiibylight">Hawaii By Light</a> on <a href="https://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p>
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I don't know why I found it so funny, but I cracked up at a sign that said, "I was told there would be π" (pi).
Also, there were a lot of good signs that involved Beaker (the muppet). One was his picture of Beaker holding up his fist with a speech bubble above his head that said "Angry Meeping" with a #RESIST underneath his picture.
It was the most lovingly nerdy protest I've ever been to (also in St. Paul, MN).
I like those signs! I can never think of these things when I need to.
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I don't know why I found it so funny, but I cracked up at a sign that said, "I was told there would be π" (pi).
Also, there were a lot of good signs that involved Beaker (the muppet). One was his picture of Beaker holding up his fist with a speech bubble above his head that said "Angry Meeping" with a #RESIST underneath his picture.
It was the most lovingly nerdy protest I've ever been to (also in St. Paul, MN).
At our protest, we had multiple people picking up garbage as they walked along the route. And everyone was super polite and considerate. It was actually really amazing- I went with a friend who is in a wheelchair, and normally in public I am shocked at the number of people who cut her off, bump into her, etc etc. But the march was incredible, everyone was really accommodating of each other and the one guy who cut her off with his bike stopped and apologized. Just seemed like a group of really nice, pro-social people, it was great.
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MFS-related humor:
(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/18034002_10213164297567827_363263708415932643_n.jpg?oh=69f03a7d637059ff601b9b67804d7410&oe=599647AD)
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Someone had a great sign:
There is no Planet B
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Apparently we have around 40,000 people in Chicago!
I saw a lot of the signs listed above. One of my favorites was "alternative Facts are Fiction, just ask an English Major: English Majors for Science." (as I was an English major.) Another woman created what appeared to be large bee-shaped piñatas, and attached them to metal poles that were probably a good 10 feet high and wrapped in fake flowers. She had them attached to her body via some sort of harness and they floated above all of us. Awesome.
My sign read on one side, "The dinosaurs lived many years ago", with "many" crossed out (with the appropriate proofreading mark of course) and "millions of" written above it. Because I work in textbook publishing, and I was once told to change "millions of" to "many" in that sentence, as the book was destined for a red state and saying "millions of years ago" would negate creationism. True story. This was way before Trump; in fact I think it was during Bush the 2nd, and I shudder to think what they're going to make us do in books now.
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My sign read on one side, "The dinosaurs lived many years ago", with "many" crossed out (with the appropriate proofreading mark of course) and "millions of" written above it. Because I work in textbook publishing, and I was once told to change "millions of" to "many" in that sentence, as the book was destined for a red state and saying "millions of years ago" would negate creationism. True story. This was way before Trump; in fact I think it was during Bush the 2nd, and I shudder to think what they're going to make us do in books now.
.... that's really a sad commentary on the status of education in our country.
FWIW, my SO was first taught evolution by a catholic nun in her private elementary school. Not all devout Christians reject science - most Catholic schools and universities teach evolution.
Unfortunately not everyone is willing to allow science and spirituality to coexist.
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.... that's really a sad commentary on the status of education in our country.
Couldn't agree more.
My ex went to Catholic school and his high school was Jesuit; he said his teachers were very science-oriented, which pleasantly surprised me.
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From those I have talked to and read it seems the Catholic Church is basically on board with science and proper science education.
When I looked at the local 'March for Science' online it did not make mention of a 'march' and it came off as more of a gathering with speeches and such in the park. From this mind set I got to the park a good hour late and missed most of the action but got to do the march part. I had no clue where the march ended so I sort of stepped out after a mile or so and turned around.
Beer vs Science: I encourage all to read up on the history of beer, very interesting stuff. Beer has been around for a very long time and not until recently did anyone really understand the process. But for all those early generations people were in some ways following basic science: experiment/observation/repeatability even if there was not a formal hypothesis or understanding of the mechanisms.