Harder working, greater risk takers......so.... culture ?
So where does racism come in?
I'm not making an argument for the existence of racism. Let's put that aside for a moment. I'm refuting a specific argument you've made against the existence of racism.
Your position is that the average African immigrant is doing fine or at least much better than the average "homegrown American black". Therefore what's holding them back is not skin color but something about the culture of "homegrown American blacks". Is this correct?
My position is that immigrants are a self-selecting population. We have evidence that the average of this population is more successful than the average of the native population from which they came. Therefore, the fact that this population of black immigrants is more successful than the native black population in America doesn’t tell us anything at all. It’s entirely possible that racism exists and this population is more prepared to overcome it.
To put it more simply – you say culture is the only variable between these two populations and your conclusion is that it must be the culture. I say, here is another variable which confounds your conclusion. Do you dispute the variable of self-selection in the immigrant population?
I think we are not agreeing on what culture
IS. To me, working hard, taking risk,
is a manifestation of the underlying culture. When we look up specific culture, such as "Asian American Culture", we often see reports on how they emphasize greatly on education and well, tiger parenting, among other things. So no, I maintain these differences you brought up, ie, harder working, greater risk takers, those
are cultural differences between the immigrants and the native population.
On the matter of being "more intelligent", while it is entirely possible immigrants are "smarter" in general than the native population, I would like to see studies before drawing any conclusion. I am sure you are aware, the native population usually gets a
really bad rep for low scores, much lower than every other ethnic group and is often used as "proof" of how they are inherently inferior.
I call BS on that.
You might be surprised but I for one
do not believe, at all the low score is representative of their "intelligence". There are environment reasons to consider, for example, it is known the health of the mothers during natal period has a significant impact on the cognitive development through out children's lives.
It so happens that the babies of the native population are much more likely to be underweight (2x?) than the national average, suggesting mothers' relatively poor health during pregnancy. In addition, the native population also suffers from fetal alcohol syndrome at 4x the rate as the national average, indicating a substance abuse problems from the mothers during pregnancy. These two examples are but a few of a
myriad of environmental issues that negatively impact the cognitive development of the native population. Therefore I don't think there is any definitive evidence to suggest the native population is less intelligent than the immigrants.
Does anyone, anyone at all, believe any of these things?
Also interesting that every one of these claims contains an absolute: impossible, every, all, existence. I rarely trust any statement that contains such words.
LOL ok I will answer this on two levels.
Firstly within the CRT field. The answer is yes. Those are quotes from
renowned CRT scholar, Robin DiAngelo. She's the one that popularized the idea of "white fragility". Her work has probably been cited over 10000 times, not criticisms, but used as foundations for future CRT work.
I was not kidding when I said this is an extremely racist field of study, and it IS the ideology behind progressives' view on racial issues and social justice movements. Look it up. Which honestly, you should have done 3 pages ago, I would have.
You can understand the shock and horror I experienced when I encountered these absolute claims, and most CRT scholars believe them!
Secondly, I am sure you are aware there is a sizable group of people on this forum who loves to cast trump voters/supporters as white racists. They really do think that, in nearly every instance. And ya, we SHOULD be suspicious of such statements, but how many have done that?
oh btw bacchi, any response on the Marva Collins subject?