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Layoffs at work - share your stories
« on: July 01, 2016, 12:27:55 PM »
I wrote this on another thread and it occurred to me this could be its own topic since big layoffs and RIFs are so common.  My repeated story from that thread is in italics below, and I have another one to share too.   

Tell us stories about when their were layoffs at your workplace, especially if you were among the survivors.  How was it handled?  Was it a surprise?  How did people manage it, especially if they were more Mustachian or maybe not so much?  Did productivity go to hell?
 
I am in oil and gas and my company had massive layoffs last November, they had alerted us in September that these were coming.  The company was stupid about it, of course.  They had everyone report to their desks at 8am on the big layoff day and wait.  Of course they failed to acknowledge that we have offices in 4 time zones and they neglected to say which 8am they were thinking of, such dumb asses thinking the axis of the universe runs right down the center of their pointy heads.

And then we all sat there, waiting.  Stayed all day, went home, and came back the next day, waited some more.  For three days straight.  None of the people in my office got canned, and we didn't hear that we were not going to get canned until it was all over on day 3.  Gee, don't you think they could have let the 'stay' group off the hook at 8:01 on day one with some regional office-specific distribution e-mail?  I am the senior executive at the local office but the word was that everyone was being canned by the Director/VP set and they were sending HR representatives all over North America to kneecap the unfortunate.  The regional management like me were not allowed to know who would stay and who went, even among our own staff.  Neat, huh. 

Productivity was zilch for about 6000 people that week, and barely breathing in the 6 weeks leading up to that week.  I am not sure it has completely recovered 7 months later because the wrinkles have not shook out. 

Some people were sick with worry which was a great reminder about why having FU money is mandatory.  I was hoping for the ax to force me to leap into the ER dream that I have not been able to leap into yet on my own.  Alas, I survived the cuts and will have to do this myself.
             
             
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Re: Layoffs at work - share your stories
« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2016, 02:44:43 PM »
My previous employer did layoffs, and I was not chosen.  Instead I was classified as critical.  I was pissed.  I wanted the 1 year salary severance that I would have received. Instead, I left a few months later with no severance.

The worst way of handling layoffs that I've seen:  Your boss and someone from security showed up at your desk with a cardboard box.  You put your personal items in the box and followed them to HR.  This went on for 3 days.  3 days of not knowing if your box is coming.  Again, I was not lucky enough to get cut.  I really need to stop being such a good employee.  :)

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« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2016, 03:04:16 PM »
My previous employer did layoffs, and I was not chosen.  Instead I was classified as critical.  I was pissed.  I wanted the 1 year salary severance that I would have received. Instead, I left a few months later with no severance.

The worst way of handling layoffs that I've seen:  Your boss and someone from security showed up at your desk with a cardboard box.  You put your personal items in the box and followed them to HR.  This went on for 3 days.  3 days of not knowing if your box is coming.  Again, I was not lucky enough to get cut.  I really need to stop being such a good employee.  :)

I was one step under this.  Several years ago at a previous job things were getting slow and everybody knew it was coming.  Of course this was only a year after they had claimed they had years worth of work backlogged.  Anyway a meeting randomly popped up on my calendar for the following Tuesday.  My supervisor came over to chat a bit before the meeting then about the time he had me go with him to it.  We had a small conference room full of people getting laid off plus their supervisors.  Afterwards I got a box to put my stuff into and was sent on my merry way.  I did get a 5 week severance package out of it, though. 

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« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2016, 03:42:25 PM »
In 2001, there were layoffs going around my former Point of Sale employer. I just felt it was going to come to me some week. One Friday, I packed up all my stuff and made piles of disks and such to pass along to certain employees to continue the work.

Monday morning, I got called in for the bad news and was told, since I was a 10 year employee, I could take my time packing and sending emails etc. i told them I already took my stuff home, but then I still had to wait for the security guard. I was lucky because I got paid one week per year of service plus my vacation, and then a coworker's husband hired me two weeks later.

Fast forward to now after 15 years at employer two. The customer that pays my employer for my services is leaving, so I'll proably get laid off since there aren't other customers with insufficient staff to cover the paid-for-hours.

At both times a divorce situation coincidentally was occurring.
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« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2016, 05:57:12 PM »
Did not happen to me but a professional colleague in another firm.  She worked at a large law firm in the Midwest which decided to handle layoffs by calling employee names over the loudspeaker and directing them to go to HR.  One at a time, all day long!  They did not share with anyone ahead of time whether they were "safe" so everyone sat there all day waiting to see if their name would be called.

Maybe we need a new thread about who worked for the company with the most outrageous HR department?

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« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2016, 07:24:36 PM »
Like many national law firms, in 2008 and 2009, we went through a few rounds of lay-offs.  I was very junior, so with all the extra pressure to keep costs down for our clients, I was inundated with work, but alas the mid-level to senior associates and of counsel were at risk, as were a lot of the lower-performing staff.  Anyhow, with each round, the associates seemed to know the rumors of the layoffs coming that day or the next (I can't remember now), and within a couple hours of the morning, we pretty much all knew who in our office had been let go.  I believe the attorneys at least were allowed to finish out that day and maybe another couple, too, if they wanted to, or if they wanted to come back to gather their things another day.  It was pretty sad and a surreal feeling, as each time a good handful of our friends were gone, but at least each got a good severance.

The worst story from those lay-offs, though, was that one senior associate, who was about 8 months pregnant, arrived to the office a little on the later side, like maybe 9:30 or something.  She was passing a partner in the stairwell, and the partner said to her, "I'm so sorry to hear the news."  OOPS!!!  Associate had not yet been told the news that SHE was being let go.  That was a HUGE error, and of course with the terrible timing due to the fact that she was about to have a baby in a month and her whole family was getting medical insurance through her/our firm, so BAD!  I guess she was able to extra a better settlement from our firm after that mishandling.  What shit.
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« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2016, 07:29:30 PM »
The first time I experienced layoffs, we all knew the company was in financial difficulties.

One morning the CIO and the Sys Admin managers came in early and started locking people out of the computer systems.   They didn't tell anyone what they were doing.   Folks came to work, couldn't get on the computers, and called the help desk.  The help desk was trying to figure out what was wrong until the first person who got laid off told their colleagues.

It didn't take long for people to connect the dots...

To his credit, the president of the company found out what was going on and stopped them.   He announced to the whole company that he was sorry that had been done.  The laid off employees were not bad people, they were our valued colleagues and friends.  We just couldn't afford to pay them any more.  He had their computer access restored so they could close out the day in an orderly manner.  No one was escorted off the premises under guard, etc.

 


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« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2016, 09:01:39 PM »
@MissNancyPryor. saw your start-off story on the other thread and was about to suggest a new thread. Nicely done.

1st experience:  a "VRIF, Voluntary Reduction In Force".
Some colleagues got themselves reclassified to "Scientist - Other" so they would be eligible,which included nice severance pay.

Background, subsequent layoffs,
Small 55 people, group of Semi big corp.  tight, well functioning, competent, lots of shared field time.

1st. 2013 5  down, called down to office, immediate off-site escort by 3d party security.
Boss first to go, sort of expected, as he had protected us from Semi big corp. BS.

2nd. 2014. 20 down heavy cuts in vast and irreplacable experience base,  immediate off-site escort by 3d party security

3d 4 down 2015
cut my group in half, lost my last mentoree, I now have no one to take over my job when I FIRE.

Update: 2017 I got 2 mentorees who came up to speed fast. 
Mid 2018: I FIRED. Late summer local office picnic, I was told that things had slowed down, and layoffs in progress, with the implication that if I had stayed, I _might_ have got a severance.  What I DID get as a beautiful summer of Freedom.



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Re: Layoffs at work - share your stories
« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2016, 10:16:59 PM »
Husband was laid off with a group of like 10 on April Fool' Day. The entire time, everyone in the office kept saying "this HAS to be a joke, right?" Nope, just incredibly insensitive timing. And the ultimate stupidity was the manager that had to go get the people to bring them to HR, after the 9th person was told to come back here for a minute... "by the way, you're laid off too." Wow.

At least husband was actually happy about it because we were already planning on him FIREing this summer, so he now gets unemployment income through the fall and doesn't have to work at that silly place any more.

But the really nice thing is that former company is currently being audited for very shady billing practices by the IRS, and everyone thinks they'll be fined and possibly face criminal charges for their creative bookkeeping. :D

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« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2016, 09:04:39 AM »
In April, they laid off 53 people here at a big public corp in the areas of customer service, finance, and IT. I am not included. For some reason, they are letting people stay a couple weeks for them to qualify for severance. Most of the jobs are being sent to a different country at half the cost and probably half the quality but their response would probably be is that this is not growth expected in our segment.

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« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2016, 09:37:41 AM »
I've only worked at one company that did mass layoffs - a collection agency about six or seven years ago.

The blatant dishonesty surrounding the whole thing was amusing. We would literally all be stuck in a conference room and told that the company was doing fine, etc, and that nobody was getting laid off, then BOOM, a couple days later a group disappears. Another meeting, this time to tell us that "Oh, THOSE people were late too often, if you've always been on time, you have nothing to worry about". Another batch, another meeting, "Oh, we're just waiting to receive a new set of files to collect on, we'll be rehiring all of them" (spoiler: didn't happen).

The department was cut approximately in half over a couple of months, from ~40 to less than 20. I survived, somewhat to my surprise since I wasn't particularly good at it - I figure my honesty and meticulous record-keeping of my files probably helped, because a lot of people BS'd on their work to get bigger commissions. It definitely created a toxic work environment, and I left not too long after.

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« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2016, 09:57:23 AM »
Definitely not as good as most of your corporate stories but...

I was working in retail during a bout of unemployment from engineering. We just moved to the other state and I interviewed for a retail store and accepted the job. Start date was a week later. I show up on Day 1 for orientation to a big red sign on the front door STORE CLOSING. They had just gotten news that morning even though they were hiring a bunch of people the week before! I almost turned around right then but I didn't. Went to HR and a new hire obviously was not their top priority lots of confusion. Well I scored a month of unlimited overtime to close out the store. It allowed me to be eligible for unemployment again for 6 months. Best job ever.

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« Reply #12 on: July 08, 2016, 12:15:28 PM »
I've been around a mass layoff 4 times but was never one that went.

There was never a warning, it was just a meeting in the morning with everyone who was staying in one conference room, everyone who was going in the other.  By lunch the damage was done.

It always felt surreal.

The first time it happened was a huge wake up call to me that all of the talk about how the office is "like a family" and "we're a team and we support you" is all 100% bullshit.  It is a business and it is about making money.  There's nothing wrong with that, but there is something wrong with putting forward that false narrative.

The office would typically be in disarray for awhile.  There's the paper on the floor, the half open desk drawers, the faded spot on the wall.

The happiness that you kept your job tempered by the reality that the job isn't as good as you though it was.

It was easier when I knew the folks were going to be OK.  Harder if I knew they were likely in for some rough times.

The first time, and the most recent time (last week actually) were total surprises for everyone.  Literally no warning at all.  This recent one 40 people were laid off, they got a two month severance.

There was a big meeting afterward to assure us that no more would be coming, but I don't believe it.  I'm not particularly worried, but I don't like them lying to us (either there will be more or there won't, they don't know and so they shouldn't say).

I think there's a good argument either way, but I think it is respectful to let people know that some are coming as soon as you know.  If even one of the cut employees holds off on a major expenditure thanks to the heads up then the world is better off.

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« Reply #13 on: July 08, 2016, 12:15:46 PM »
Husband and I have been laid off a bunch of times, but probably the most notable layoff wasn't either of ours.

Back about the time the economy cratered, I worked for a company that hired a regulatory executive from Alaska. He sold his house in AK and moved his entire family to the Midwest. About 6 weeks later, he closed on his new house. Two weeks after that, he was laid off.

I got laid off too shortly after that, but damn, at least I didn't uproot my family 6000 or whatever miles and just buy a new house solely because of that job.

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« Reply #14 on: July 08, 2016, 12:56:41 PM »
Husband and I have been laid off a bunch of times, but probably the most notable layoff wasn't either of ours.

Back about the time the economy cratered, I worked for a company that hired a regulatory executive from Alaska. He sold his house in AK and moved his entire family to the Midwest. About 6 weeks later, he closed on his new house. Two weeks after that, he was laid off.

I got laid off too shortly after that, but damn, at least I didn't uproot my family 6000 or whatever miles and just buy a new house solely because of that job.

Wow, I truly hope that worked out for them. What an awful situation!

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« Reply #15 on: July 08, 2016, 01:28:22 PM »

There was a big meeting afterward to assure us that no more would be coming, but I don't believe it.  I'm not particularly worried, but I don't like them lying to us (either there will be more or there won't, they don't know and so they shouldn't say).


One company I was at did this.  Then two months later, had another layoff.   Then did it again.  I was let go in round #8.  Each time it was "This is the team we will continue forward and succeed with.  No one should worry as there are no plans for any further cuts".  Lesson learned there was it was my first job out of college and I had been there thirteen years and felt they would stay loyal for all I had done.  In the end I was "educated" as everyone else here that in the end it is all about the money and it has helped me get out of other situations before the decision was made for me again.  The thing is when you are in it you keep finding reasons to talk it away.  When I got called by my boss, the few staff members I still had (layoffs had taken us from a department of 12 to 3) I said, "They are letting me go" and the staff said "No way, you're crazy!"  15 minutes later I was back to pack my things and they still could not believe it.  I did get a week for every year, plus the standard six weeks they were giving everyone and vacation, so I was covered for about seven months and I found a job in 2 1/2 so was able to sock some money away, but it was really stressful going through it.

The best advice I can give is as you get higher in the organization you can see the writing on the wall sooner so you have a better chance to get off the ship on your own terms, but yes you lose any chance at severance that way, but many places offer a poor severance package nowadays. 

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« Reply #16 on: July 08, 2016, 01:38:14 PM »
I was working in a Big Four accounting firm in NYC on 9/11.  In the aftermath, certain business units, including mine, tanked. My firm did a massive voluntary layoff at my level, senior manager. It was a generous package. I was one of the first to raise my hand. I then went to Germany for six weeks with my DH, who was on a project for his company. All because the severance plus my savings gave me the ability to take my time looking for the next job.

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« Reply #17 on: August 14, 2016, 07:36:02 PM »
I was part of a mass layoff by IBM in 2002.   They handled all of the layoffs in one day - except for one lady.   She assumed that when the end of the day came and she hadn't heard anything, she was safe.  It happened to be her 50th birthday, so she went out that night and celebrated with her family.   The ax fell the following day.

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« Reply #18 on: August 14, 2016, 08:54:15 PM »
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« Reply #19 on: August 15, 2016, 08:26:20 AM »
I've never been a part of a big layoff. I was working for a state agency in 2008-2009, and their budget cuts were massive, but they handled it deftly by dangling juicy early retirement packages out there - completely voluntary for those who were interested. A great number of folks who were nearing retirement made the leap (including my Dad, who worked for the same agency). The younger employees were spared, but I eventually left in 2010 for the business world.

My current employer went through some turmoil in 2014. Literally the day I started, I walked in and said hello to the guy who interviewed and hired me. He shook my hand and greeted me. "I'm headed to a meeting at corporate this morning, I'll see you this afternoon." He never came back. Neither did three other people, including his boss. I was wondering what the hell I got myself into, but my new manager assured me that it was a one-time move to deal with some funny accounting. Fortunately, he was right. The crappy thing is, the folks who got axed were basically forced into a bad situation by the previous management team, who spear-headed a spinoff of a new, smaller company from the big one. They all either retired after the spinoff, or moved on with the new company, but they all got hefty bonuses, and the folks who were left behind at the old company had to deal with their cooked books. The folks who got laid off were (as I understand it) the ones who weren't forthcoming about the shady practices once the new management team caught wind of what was going on.

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« Reply #20 on: August 15, 2016, 09:52:55 AM »
I was an IT guy in a very large telecom company for about 18 years.  I have been involved in a ton of them... though never on the receiving end.  I always had the data a week or more early.  Often times I'd be sitting and eating lunch with a group -- knowing the guy across the table's life was going to change really soon.

Our HR department had a terrible reputation for not understanding technology.  MULTIPLE times they spilled their own beans ahead of times.
* storing layoff information in a public folder with world read permissions
* using Microsoft tools... copy and paste a couple of cells from a spreadsheet and paste it right into Outlook.  Outlook only displays the couple of cells... but the WHOLE DAMN SPREADSHEET IS THERE IF YOU CLICK ON IT.  That time they spilled who was getting laid off, their social security numbers and their salaries.
* people always knew there was a layoff when suddenly no conference rooms were available... all of them booked all day long for 10 days straight, booked by one of the main HR people.

One of the worst I remember was a 30 year employee getting laid off while he was on vacation.  No one told him.  They turned off his badge and his userid.  When he walked up and his badge didn't work, of course some one let him in.  He'd been around 30 years!  He went to his desk and couldn't log in, called the help desk and opened a trouble ticket for a password reset.  He was one of those guys that came in at 7:30 in the morning, so of course there was no one there to take him aside and tell him what was going on.  I remember calling every manager in that area... everyone in HR... trying to find SOMEONE to talk to him.  Meanwhile, he was calling me every 5 minutes to demand I get his password reset ASAP.

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« Reply #21 on: August 15, 2016, 10:41:15 AM »
One of the worst I remember was a 30 year employee getting laid off while he was on vacation.  No one told him.  They turned off his badge and his userid.  When he walked up and his badge didn't work, of course some one let him in.  He'd been around 30 years!  He went to his desk and couldn't log in, called the help desk and opened a trouble ticket for a password reset.  He was one of those guys that came in at 7:30 in the morning, so of course there was no one there to take him aside and tell him what was going on.  I remember calling every manager in that area... everyone in HR... trying to find SOMEONE to talk to him.  Meanwhile, he was calling me every 5 minutes to demand I get his password reset ASAP.

Damn, that's cold.

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« Reply #22 on: August 15, 2016, 01:53:01 PM »
Not laid off but.....

I was working in an incredibly secure environment.  The kind of place where it was typical for your badge to be deactivated, then get notification of termination. 

So I showed up for work on a Monday.  My badge didn't work.  I went home.  I assumed I was terminated.  I wasn't particularly upset.  Surprised,  yes.  Wednesday of that week I get a call from HR.  They wanted to know why I had not been to work.  Turns out I had not been terminated, there was a "computer glitch".  Later discovered they deactivated my ID, when they intended to deactivate another employee; a simple human error.  I told the HR liaison I already had plans for the rest of the week, including a job interview.

I ended up with a little job loss stress, a free week off of work, and I negotiated a pay raise.  So all in it was a pretty good deal for me.

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« Reply #23 on: August 15, 2016, 05:24:51 PM »
I worked for a very poorly run manufacturing company that was constantly flirting with bankrupcy...mostly due to an inept CEO. 4 large layoffs in 3 years. The worst one was when they miscalculated when the direct deposit would hit the unlucky souls bank accounts. The last layoff was scheduled for a Monday morning...but the direct deposit hit the banks on Friday. Those getting let go checked their accounts to find all thier pay, plus vacation had already been deposited...so the inept CEO decides to do the layoff on Friday (this after word spreads like fire through the grapevine AND the a TV news crew shows up on the front door). HR is not prepared...no "packages" ready, no people to go get folks, nothing. Absolutly nuts. CEO goes and hides. I draw "walking them out the door" duty. Most people were fine, but one kid...27-28 maybe, gets to the door and just starts bawling. He'd just moved to town (to take the job he'd just been laid off from), has a wife and a 2 month old baby. All I can do is offer same lame advice like "it will be fine..you'll get another job...blah..blah blah."

I decided right then and there I would never work for a company again without being fully prepared to walk out the door at any time.

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« Reply #24 on: August 15, 2016, 06:42:59 PM »
During the big IBM layoff that I mentioned earlier, one of the unlucky ones, "Jim", had just got back from vacation and hadn't checked his email yet.  So, he didn't know that his boss had scheduled a "you're outta here" meeting.   Jim was the kind of guy who was always wandering all over the building talking on his cell phone, so not only could Boss not call him, he couldn't FIND him.   It was darkly hilarious to see Boss searching the hallways looking for Jim so that he could tell him he didn't have a job anymore.

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« Reply #25 on: August 16, 2016, 01:41:52 AM »
Many years ago, after months of continuous layoffs, the survivors were all called into a Thursday afternoon meeting where the low IQ mouth breathers in management declared that there would be no more layoffs.  We all had cake and champagne (yeah, I know, weird combo).

On Monday, I come into the office, and couldn't get onto my computer.  Which, of course, meant I was gone (along with a half dozen other people).

Not a big deal for me, as I was well on my way to my first million at the tim.  But one of the other guys, upon hearing "no more layoffs," went out and leased a new car that weekend, only to get the layoff notice on Monday morning. 

Like I said, "management" of this company were drooling mouth breathers...

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« Reply #26 on: August 16, 2016, 06:20:19 AM »
Many years ago, after months of continuous layoffs, the survivors were all called into a Thursday afternoon meeting where the low IQ mouth breathers in management declared that there would be no more layoffs.  We all had cake and champagne (yeah, I know, weird combo).

On Monday, I come into the office, and couldn't get onto my computer.  Which, of course, meant I was gone (along with a half dozen other people).

Not a big deal for me, as I was well on my way to my first million at the tim.  But one of the other guys, upon hearing "no more layoffs," went out and leased a new car that weekend, only to get the layoff notice on Monday morning. 

Like I said, "management" of this company were drooling mouth breathers...

Geez, that would have been in poor taste even if they didn't lay off more people the following week. I can't imagine wanting to celebrate after watching my co-workers get canned.

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« Reply #27 on: August 16, 2016, 11:40:08 AM »
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« Reply #28 on: August 16, 2016, 02:31:36 PM »
1st: Got two months notice of layoff. Left the job on a Friday, started my new job on Monday. Got to keep the severance.

2nd: Company merged with another....knew layoffs were coming. Slowly people started disappearing. When I finally got paged to see HR, I high-fived people as I went. Got back to my desk and I was already locked out.

3rd: Boss was crazy. Got rid of her previous 3 assistants - none lasting more than a year. I worked there for 11 months so I figured it was coming. Crazy boss came in during Christmas week (her vacation) to give me a scarf and gloves and to let me know it wasn't working out, but that she wanted me to stay on for another month to train my replacement. Best month ever as I came in and left whenever I wanted :)

4th: Worked for a devil wear prada wannabe for 5 1/2 years. Tried to get fired for about 3 of those. Finally I had an accident and was out of work for several months on disability. Two weeks after I got back, I got called into the VPs office - boss couldn't even do it herself. I stayed working there for several more works as they didn't want to piss me off and escort me out. Boss never acknowledged that my last day was even approaching. Acted like nothing was different. I called out sick on my last day of work and they tried to hold back my paycheck. Payroll wouldn't let them. Huge severance package. Cha-ching!

5th: Worked for a great boss, great job, great coworkers...everything was great. Well, until they fired my boss and put an evil dude in his place. Evil dude made it clear that he didn't like me and wanted me gone.......so gone I was a week or two later.  I thanked the HR person and giggled my way out of there!  Again, boss couldn't look me in the face for several days before hand and was conveniently MIA the day it happened.

6th: Think it's coming up this week. I work for the CEO and I see emails going back and forth about mass layoffs. Guarantee I will be a part of it. I make way too much money for this place and they have slowly been taking away my responsibilities.

PS At that 4th place, they routinely laid people off in huge masses - like 50-100 at a time. However, they quickly realized that they didn't know who they were firing and needed to hire them back right away at a higher pay and they got to keep their severance.

I've worked for a lot of shitty companies.

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« Reply #29 on: August 16, 2016, 03:32:29 PM »
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« Reply #30 on: August 16, 2016, 03:38:09 PM »
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« Reply #31 on: August 16, 2016, 03:40:36 PM »
Not laid off but.....

I was working in an incredibly secure environment.  The kind of place where it was typical for your badge to be deactivated, then get notification of termination. 

So I showed up for work on a Monday.  My badge didn't work.  I went home.  I assumed I was terminated.  I wasn't particularly upset.  Surprised,  yes.  Wednesday of that week I get a call from HR.  They wanted to know why I had not been to work.  Turns out I had not been terminated, there was a "computer glitch".  Later discovered they deactivated my ID, when they intended to deactivate another employee; a simple human error.  I told the HR liaison I already had plans for the rest of the week, including a job interview.

I ended up with a little job loss stress, a free week off of work, and I negotiated a pay raise.  So all in it was a pretty good deal for me.
Love this story!

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« Reply #32 on: August 16, 2016, 03:43:38 PM »
...Most people were fine, but one kid...27-28 maybe, gets to the door and just starts bawling. He'd just moved to town (to take the job he'd just been laid off from), has a wife and a 2 month old baby. All I can do is offer same lame advice like "it will be fine..you'll get another job...blah..blah blah."

I decided right then and there I would never work for a company again without being fully prepared to walk out the door at any time.
Oh, S14, please check social media to see if you can find him. Wouldn't it be great to discover that your advice wasn't so lame after all?

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« Reply #33 on: August 16, 2016, 04:06:35 PM »

PS At that 4th place, they routinely laid people off in huge masses - like 50-100 at a time. However, they quickly realized that they didn't know who they were firing and needed to hire them back right away at a higher pay and they got to keep their severance.


The largest oil company hereabouts has done several of these "downsizing" acts, mainly by offering early retirements and severance deals. What they forgot, was that they needed those senior engineers. So these engineers ended up with severance deals (often a year pay) AND early retirement deals (at least 66% pay) AND they were hired back as consultants at 200% what they earlier were paid. One of these guys got enough money to start his own oil company, and made several finds in places where the large oil company had given up drilling.

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« Reply #34 on: August 17, 2016, 11:40:08 AM »
I worked at a small engineering company as an engineer. For the longest time I believed my boss and everything the top level management said too. We were a tightknit group and we were going to succeed together, etc. Long hours, average pay, salary so no overtime, etc.

There were some rough edges like a middle manager that liked to screw with people giving them last minute marching orders as he went out the door for a long weekend mini-vacation. The ones that got overtime loved it, the salaried guys like me didn't. I started considering work/life balance about then.

Regular company meetings started drying up. The top level cheering section got quiet and one day my mentor took his pick of the top engineers and trades and left to start his own company. He got tired of the chaos that was growing at the parent company. Bad management, bad scheduling, unreasonable contracts and so forth were taking its toll on everyone. Done right we would all have a better work/life balance but due to who was in control - that never happened - even now years later.  Oh the management went home at a regular time but the worker bees came to work early, stayed late and worked weekends.

One day - a half dozen layoffs suddenly including engineers. Then some trade guys soon after. More a few weeks later. I was already hunting for a new job elsewhere. Started getting offers. Figured I was too low on the career ladder to last long during layoffs.

I spent time making copies of my projects, my software tools, etc. They had no idea how I did what I did. I had long ago automated much of my tasks. The trick was looking busy. My work output was great. Since the employer was not a very generous (though very well off) or a trustworthy bunch, I failed to see any reason to share with them my efficiency tricks (software, automation).

I accepted another job and put in my notice. They asked me to stay and what would it take? Nope - they didn't want me to  stay hard enough b/c they would not approach the new job's salary. Later they called asking me to train my replacement. That person didn't stay more than 6 months b/c the replacement could not figure out how I got done what I got done. The next replacement did not last either I heard.

Since then, dozens of other employees went out the door. Normally they just walk you to the door. One guy sort of flipped out after I left and had to be escorted out by a Sheriff's Deputy. Lots of empty promises to the folks they laid off about coming back. None did AFAIK.

Never again have I believed anything that an employer told me. DW and I worked hard to have small FU money - enough to walk before finding another job - and no debt. Just about there. Am going to a group meeting this afternoon for one of the annual "look how great everything is" cheering session at my current employer. I love my current job, but this place has lots of imperfections too. I make peace with it all b/c my time and energy is spent raising our kids and having a life more so than being the best worker bee I can be.

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Re: Layoffs at work - share your stories
« Reply #35 on: August 17, 2016, 01:24:33 PM »
A long long time ago, in a job far, far away......

Used to work in an interest rate sensitive business.  Rates went down, our business went up....a lot.  Anyways, lots of ups and downs on employment.  I only got hit by a layoff once - I was literally the last perma-temp at the company at the time.  After a few months, business picked up and I was rehired and kept on until I left for a better career type job.

Pretty typical was one year.  We started the year with about 100 people on the staff.  By mid year, since business was booming, we were up to 150.  Rates went up, so....cut, cut, cut.  By the end of the year, we were down to 75. 

It got to be such, given the constant ups and downs, that I just didn't bother to get to know anyone new unless and until they'd survived at least 2-3 rounds of layoffs.  If they did, they were a keeper, and not semi-dead wood seat filler.

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« Reply #36 on: August 17, 2016, 05:51:12 PM »
I worked at Nortel from 2000 until I finally left in 2009.   No layoff for me.

I remember my cubicle in 2009 though.   We were on the 2nd floor of a large building (Lab 3 at Carling in Ottawa if anybody knows the old Nortel campus).   Every month there were more and more empty cubicles.   When I finally left there were only 5 people left on the floor.

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« Reply #37 on: August 17, 2016, 07:07:59 PM »
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« Reply #38 on: August 18, 2016, 02:50:58 PM »
Unimpressive story of semi-layoffs:

I was once a seasonal data entry worker at a franchise of a well-known school portrait company.  During the fall school picture season, there were also a large number of seasonal photographers that were hired.  The woman who owned the franchise would have had schools scheduled at least a few months in advance, I would think.  She would have known the upcoming workload.  However, her "policy" was to tell a photographer when (s)he came back from a school to drop off the photo files at the end the day "That's it; you're done for the season.  Don't come back tomorrow."  It was just such a bizarre practice to give no notice to someone you have employed seasonally for years and would continue to employ in future years.  (And then she had the gumption to tell me, after I had given ONE MONTH of notice that I was leaving to take a job in my field, that I "owed" it to them to stay until the end of the season.  I had stated in my interview that I was taking the job as a seasonal job, but that I would only stay until I got a job in my field.)

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« Reply #39 on: August 19, 2016, 03:03:46 PM »
In the vein of With This Herring:  A friend of mine works at a manufacturing plant.  Their product is seasonal.  Every stinking year... EVERY YEAR... They figure out they've made too much product and lay everyone off.   Then... they wait too long, realize they are desperately low on product and have to hire 400+ workers that all have to be screened/trained in a matter of a few days.  They will work them 3 shifts a day and work to over stock again.  This practice has been going on for 30+ years.  The costs of layoffs is huge and due to union agreements -- it's really huge.  The cost of re-tooling everyone -- really huge.  Working to the point of over stock means they have to have really big warehousing. 

At no point in time has anyone sat down and thought, "Hey... what if we just ran a normal number of people and a normal number of assembly lines all the time?"

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« Reply #40 on: August 24, 2016, 01:44:30 PM »
Could it be that the "poor planning" hides a cost savings like they never have very many senior employees? Never need to give many raises? Benefits?

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« Reply #41 on: August 24, 2016, 02:24:41 PM »
Could it be that the "poor planning" hides a cost savings like they never have very many senior employees? Never need to give many raises? Benefits?

Well, in my ex-employer's case, no.  I drove by a couple years ago to see an empty storefront, and they had a completely captive market that should have kept them going for decades.  This was just one more bad decision on top of others.

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« Reply #42 on: August 24, 2016, 03:18:32 PM »
Well, this is happening to me right now so I'm getting a kick out of this thread.

http://www.richmond.com/business/local/article_366420b6-22c2-58a8-a377-f8c817b62245.html

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« Reply #43 on: August 24, 2016, 04:29:21 PM »
Could it be that the "poor planning" hides a cost savings like they never have very many senior employees? Never need to give many raises? Benefits?

Not really.  The senior employees are last to go/first to be recalled.  It's union and this is hugely controlled by contract.  And they rarely lay off to zero.  They are generally tossing the lowest paid guys.

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« Reply #44 on: August 26, 2016, 01:45:01 PM »
I was once laid off from a public university. There were massive budget deficits and about 9 people in my department were being laid off. Most were told in person (of course!) but my boss (who was a really awful person) couldn't take the emotions of the people being laid off (understandable tears, sadness) so at some point he informed HR he wouldn't do any more, so I received mine at home via a letter sent by FEDEX!

The worst part? All of us who were laid off had to work for two additional weeks to put our projects in order. We were not given any severance, just unemployment benefits.



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« Reply #45 on: August 27, 2016, 08:23:13 PM »
This is sort of a layoff story, but more of a quitting story.  It's too good to leave out of the thread though.

A little more than a year ago, I was hired by a small Silicon Valley startup to manage their finances.  Less than a month in, they did a small round of layoffs because raising venture dollars was proving harder than expected.  Within the first six months I discovered:

1. The CEO and CFO (my boss) were blatantly lying to employees and the board about the financial health of the company.
2. The CEO and CFO lied to all employees about stock compensation.  Every employee had been promised significant equity once a stock comp plan could be approved with fundraising.  When they did eventually raise money, the option plan failed to appear.  The CEO blatantly bragged about how much money he would make in a sale.
3. The CTO was a screamer.  He yelled at everyone for anything.  Most people that worked for him quit.  It turned out my predecessor had quit because of him too.
4. The company didn't pay its vendors.  They were also too cheap to pay for phones for employees.  Since I managed vendor payments, I had vendors, creditors, and collection agencies calling my personal cell phone at all hours of the day.

One day, my boss asked me to talk to a vendor that had been threatening to cut us off.  We hadn't paid them in over six months.  The CFO said we would pay them the following Friday if they would continue providing services.  I made that promise on the companies behalf.  Lo and behold, the vendor didn't get paid the following Friday.

I quit a week later, but gave 1.5 months notice since they were so short staffed and were in major fundraising negotiations.  I stopped dealing with vendors though.

My timing couldn't have been better.  A week after I gave notice, 32 employees from a company subsidiary (they were part of our larger corporate structure, but not a group I worked with) were arrested on federal fraud charges.  This blew up our entire fundraising process. 

In hindsight, I'm incredibly glad the CFO restricted my access to some of our financial info.  I'm moderately confident that not knowing financial details will help keep me out of court.

My final task before leaving was to run the financial projections for different layoff scenarios.  Anywhere between 30-70% were to be cut.  Had I not quit, I would have been on the layoff list. 


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« Reply #46 on: August 31, 2016, 07:04:46 PM »
Has everyone seen this website:  thelayoff.com   anonymous postings about layoffs and rumors of layoffs.  All alphabetized by company name, so click on the letter to see if your company has a board on the site.

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« Reply #47 on: October 03, 2016, 03:08:25 PM »
I never understand why companies handle layoffs so poorly.

At one of the last layoffs I witnessed - EVERYONE in the group was called in for a short meeting. Soon everyone figured out that if you left with a folder you had been let go. If you left without a folder, you still had the 'honor' of waiting for the next round of layoffs.

Before this strategy, they only scheduled meetings (on short notice) with people getting laid off. No meeting, you were safe. But they would book conference rooms for the week, so folks knew layoffs were coming.

You are right - no work gets done. And the more you make people feel insecure and unappreciated, the more time they spend updating their résumés. Except for the completely clueless.

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« Reply #48 on: October 09, 2016, 10:02:48 AM »
I worked at a small engineering company as an engineer.

I spent time making copies of my projects, my software tools, etc. They had no idea how I did what I did. I had long ago automated much of my tasks. The trick was looking busy. My work output was great. Since the employer was not a very generous (though very well off) or a trustworthy bunch, I failed to see any reason to share with them my efficiency tricks (software, automation).

I accepted another job and put in my notice. They asked me to stay and what would it take? Nope - they didn't want me to  stay hard enough b/c they would not approach the new job's salary. Later they called asking me to train my replacement. That person didn't stay more than 6 months b/c the replacement could not figure out how I got done what I got done. The next replacement did not last either I heard.


Not something to be proud of, your lack of professionalism as an engineer is embarrassing. Go be a financial advisor.

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« Reply #49 on: October 09, 2016, 11:52:03 AM »
Not something to be proud of, your lack of professionalism as an engineer is embarrassing. Go be a financial advisor.
While if the management had decided to outsource his job to somebody that didn't know how to do it and had driven the company into the ground they would have got a bonus for the cost saving

 

Wow, a phone plan for fifteen bucks!