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Re: How to handle parents who believe fake news?
« Reply #600 on: September 26, 2021, 05:56:40 PM »
My dad texts/emails me info fake news on two constantly warring countries in Asia. I delete it.
When he brings it up, I ask, "Does this affect you? If no, then why spread this? If yes, then where did you get these news from? If on social media, did you verify by reading the entire article on the web to understand context? Did you then read an article from the other country's side? Did you you finally read about it on a 3rd country's website? If you do all 3, and then are more aware of the issues at hand, does your perspective change? Now you are free to believe what you want, after you've heard each side's story."
99% of the time 100% of the info is faked up BS being spread via FaceBook/WhatsApp. He's off FB now, and calmer. And he's blocking/deleting a majority of the nonsense sent to him on Whatsapp.

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Re: How to handle parents who believe fake news?
« Reply #601 on: September 27, 2021, 07:55:30 AM »
The depressing thing about the microchipping conspiracy is the reality that no one cares enough about average people to bother to microchip them. Like, sorry, but the government does not care enough about you as a 50-something person in middle America with a job as a home health aide to bother to track your every movement. You simply are not that important. To be clear, I put myself in this category as well but at least I have the self-awareness to realize that my individual life as a pretty average person does not warrant constant tracking by government.

I think it comes down to a general disbelief in governmental efficiency.  The thing the microchipping advocates don't seem to realize is that they've paid good money to purchase and now carefully carry around a tracking microchip everywhere they go . . . it's called a cell phone.  As inefficient as it can be, the government would certainly choose to track you via the tracking chip that costs them nothing vs paying for a new chip that they then have to inject into everyone's arms.

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Re: How to handle parents who believe fake news?
« Reply #602 on: September 27, 2021, 08:20:44 AM »
Im watching the 45 rally in Georgia on and off.
45 is basically telling his followers that election management in this country is beyond repair.
Maybe you should tell your parents to boycott the coming elections as participation would just serve as support of the irredeemiably corrupt system.

Excellent.  Hopefully Trump blasts this insanity 24/7 to his fans and demoralizes them so much they don't turn out in the mid-terms (which are otherwise likely to be a blowout against the Dems, given historical patterns).

They don't need to vote, as long as they keep legislative control in enough states that those states will find a way to give electors to the Republican candidate in 2024.

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Re: How to handle parents who believe fake news?
« Reply #603 on: September 27, 2021, 08:21:09 AM »
The depressing thing about the microchipping conspiracy is the reality that no one cares enough about average people to bother to microchip them. Like, sorry, but the government does not care enough about you as a 50-something person in middle America with a job as a home health aide to bother to track your every movement. You simply are not that important. To be clear, I put myself in this category as well but at least I have the self-awareness to realize that my individual life as a pretty average person does not warrant constant tracking by government.

I think it comes down to a general disbelief in governmental efficiency.  The thing the microchipping advocates don't seem to realize is that they've paid good money to purchase and now carefully carry around a tracking microchip everywhere they go . . . it's called a cell phone.  As inefficient as it can be, the government would certainly choose to track you via the tracking chip that costs them nothing vs paying for a new chip that they then have to inject into everyone's arms.


True.  I also work implanting "microchips" (basically encapsulated RFID tags) into fin-fish for study.
Frankly the technology for "implantable microchips" is a fantasy.  RFID chips work because they are passive - they need to pass very close to a reader (composed of a electromagnetic field) to give off a signal, and then it's limited to a simple fixed bar-code number.  they are about half-the size of a grain of rice, still WAY bigger than what you could fit into a vaccine syringe.  It's basically just an ID tag, and it can't to anymore more than record when you pass by a reader -- which as you've pointed out your cell phone does several times every minute.  What they CAN'T do is any sort of computation, monitoring or recording.

The problem with any sort of device which actually has any storage or monitoring capabilities is they need a power source, and then a transmitter, and all of which needs to be encapsulated so your body doesn't destroy the sensitive parts. And while "small" devices exist (think the side of a nickel) - they have extremely short duration times and they are still several orders of magnitude large than what you could inject. 


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Re: How to handle parents who believe fake news?
« Reply #604 on: September 27, 2021, 08:31:27 AM »
Im watching the 45 rally in Georgia on and off.
45 is basically telling his followers that election management in this country is beyond repair.
Maybe you should tell your parents to boycott the coming elections as participation would just serve as support of the irredeemiably corrupt system.

Excellent.  Hopefully Trump blasts this insanity 24/7 to his fans and demoralizes them so much they don't turn out in the mid-terms (which are otherwise likely to be a blowout against the Dems, given historical patterns).

They don't need to vote, as long as they keep legislative control in enough states that those states will find a way to give electors to the Republican candidate in 2024.

And that is EXACTLY what the plan is.

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How to handle parents who believe fake news?
« Reply #605 on: September 27, 2021, 09:02:24 AM »
The depressing thing about the microchipping conspiracy is the reality that no one cares enough about average people to bother to microchip them. Like, sorry, but the government does not care enough about you as a 50-something person in middle America with a job as a home health aide to bother to track your every movement. You simply are not that important. To be clear, I put myself in this category as well but at least I have the self-awareness to realize that my individual life as a pretty average person does not warrant constant tracking by government.


The most ridiculous part of this to me is that most people are ALREDY TRACKED by the cell phone in their pocket and the apps with location services they willingly signed up for. They spend energy on stupid conspiracy theory shit and probably dont bother to turn off geotagging on the selfies they post online.
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Edit: I see someone else just made the same point above
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Re: How to handle parents who believe fake news?
« Reply #606 on: September 27, 2021, 09:39:09 AM »
The depressing thing about the microchipping conspiracy is the reality that no one cares enough about average people to bother to microchip them. Like, sorry, but the government does not care enough about you as a 50-something person in middle America with a job as a home health aide to bother to track your every movement. You simply are not that important. To be clear, I put myself in this category as well but at least I have the self-awareness to realize that my individual life as a pretty average person does not warrant constant tracking by government.

I think it comes down to a general disbelief in governmental efficiency.  The thing the microchipping advocates don't seem to realize is that they've paid good money to purchase and now carefully carry around a tracking microchip everywhere they go . . . it's called a cell phone.  As inefficient as it can be, the government would certainly choose to track you via the tracking chip that costs them nothing vs paying for a new chip that they then have to inject into everyone's arms.


True.  I also work implanting "microchips" (basically encapsulated RFID tags) into fin-fish for study.
Frankly the technology for "implantable microchips" is a fantasy.  RFID chips work because they are passive - they need to pass very close to a reader (composed of a electromagnetic field) to give off a signal, and then it's limited to a simple fixed bar-code number.  they are about half-the size of a grain of rice, still WAY bigger than what you could fit into a vaccine syringe.  It's basically just an ID tag, and it can't to anymore more than record when you pass by a reader -- which as you've pointed out your cell phone does several times every minute.  What they CAN'T do is any sort of computation, monitoring or recording.

The problem with any sort of device which actually has any storage or monitoring capabilities is they need a power source, and then a transmitter, and all of which needs to be encapsulated so your body doesn't destroy the sensitive parts. And while "small" devices exist (think the side of a nickel) - they have extremely short duration times and they are still several orders of magnitude large than what you could inject.

I know, right? Every time I hear a variant of the 'someone's going to track me via microchip' I think about how INCREDIBLY DELIGHTED wildlife and fisheries biologists would be if only we had that tech.  If only, if only, if only.

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Re: How to handle parents who believe fake news?
« Reply #607 on: September 27, 2021, 09:48:27 AM »
The depressing thing about the microchipping conspiracy is the reality that no one cares enough about average people to bother to microchip them. Like, sorry, but the government does not care enough about you as a 50-something person in middle America with a job as a home health aide to bother to track your every movement. You simply are not that important. To be clear, I put myself in this category as well but at least I have the self-awareness to realize that my individual life as a pretty average person does not warrant constant tracking by government.

I think it comes down to a general disbelief in governmental efficiency.  The thing the microchipping advocates don't seem to realize is that they've paid good money to purchase and now carefully carry around a tracking microchip everywhere they go . . . it's called a cell phone.  As inefficient as it can be, the government would certainly choose to track you via the tracking chip that costs them nothing vs paying for a new chip that they then have to inject into everyone's arms.


True.  I also work implanting "microchips" (basically encapsulated RFID tags) into fin-fish for study.
Frankly the technology for "implantable microchips" is a fantasy.  RFID chips work because they are passive - they need to pass very close to a reader (composed of a electromagnetic field) to give off a signal, and then it's limited to a simple fixed bar-code number.  they are about half-the size of a grain of rice, still WAY bigger than what you could fit into a vaccine syringe.  It's basically just an ID tag, and it can't to anymore more than record when you pass by a reader -- which as you've pointed out your cell phone does several times every minute.  What they CAN'T do is any sort of computation, monitoring or recording.

The problem with any sort of device which actually has any storage or monitoring capabilities is they need a power source, and then a transmitter, and all of which needs to be encapsulated so your body doesn't destroy the sensitive parts. And while "small" devices exist (think the side of a nickel) - they have extremely short duration times and they are still several orders of magnitude large than what you could inject.

I know, right? Every time I hear a variant of the 'someone's going to track me via microchip' I think about how INCREDIBLY DELIGHTED wildlife and fisheries biologists would be if only we had that tech.  If only, if only, if only.

If only, for sure.  Tracking migratory birds, mammals, fish, insects.  Seeing how much of its home range an animal is occupying over a given period of time.  No more radio collars.  Bliss.  Heaven.

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Re: How to handle parents who believe fake news?
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Re: How to handle parents who believe fake news?
« Reply #609 on: September 27, 2021, 11:41:29 AM »
The depressing thing about the microchipping conspiracy is the reality that no one cares enough about average people to bother to microchip them. Like, sorry, but the government does not care enough about you as a 50-something person in middle America with a job as a home health aide to bother to track your every movement. You simply are not that important. To be clear, I put myself in this category as well but at least I have the self-awareness to realize that my individual life as a pretty average person does not warrant constant tracking by government.

I think it comes down to a general disbelief in governmental efficiency.  The thing the microchipping advocates don't seem to realize is that they've paid good money to purchase and now carefully carry around a tracking microchip everywhere they go . . . it's called a cell phone.  As inefficient as it can be, the government would certainly choose to track you via the tracking chip that costs them nothing vs paying for a new chip that they then have to inject into everyone's arms.


True.  I also work implanting "microchips" (basically encapsulated RFID tags) into fin-fish for study.
Frankly the technology for "implantable microchips" is a fantasy.  RFID chips work because they are passive - they need to pass very close to a reader (composed of a electromagnetic field) to give off a signal, and then it's limited to a simple fixed bar-code number.  they are about half-the size of a grain of rice, still WAY bigger than what you could fit into a vaccine syringe.  It's basically just an ID tag, and it can't to anymore more than record when you pass by a reader -- which as you've pointed out your cell phone does several times every minute.  What they CAN'T do is any sort of computation, monitoring or recording.

The problem with any sort of device which actually has any storage or monitoring capabilities is they need a power source, and then a transmitter, and all of which needs to be encapsulated so your body doesn't destroy the sensitive parts. And while "small" devices exist (think the side of a nickel) - they have extremely short duration times and they are still several orders of magnitude large than what you could inject.

I know, right? Every time I hear a variant of the 'someone's going to track me via microchip' I think about how INCREDIBLY DELIGHTED wildlife and fisheries biologists would be if only we had that tech.  If only, if only, if only.

If only, for sure.  Tracking migratory birds, mammals, fish, insects.  Seeing how much of its home range an animal is occupying over a given period of time.  No more radio collars.  Bliss.  Heaven.

My husband has a satellite tracker on a few individuals of a super-understudied hawk species right now, and it is awesome seeing the little blips on the map (nest grove or home range for months/occasional little exploratory blip/last few days, BAM, DOWN THRU MEXICO), but the data are still so coarse that it is just as frustrating as exciting. And back-pack mounts just objectively suck, even if they are the best option.

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Re: How to handle parents who believe fake news?
« Reply #610 on: September 27, 2021, 12:55:11 PM »
The depressing thing about the microchipping conspiracy is the reality that no one cares enough about average people to bother to microchip them. Like, sorry, but the government does not care enough about you as a 50-something person in middle America with a job as a home health aide to bother to track your every movement. You simply are not that important. To be clear, I put myself in this category as well but at least I have the self-awareness to realize that my individual life as a pretty average person does not warrant constant tracking by government.

I think it comes down to a general disbelief in governmental efficiency.  The thing the microchipping advocates don't seem to realize is that they've paid good money to purchase and now carefully carry around a tracking microchip everywhere they go . . . it's called a cell phone.  As inefficient as it can be, the government would certainly choose to track you via the tracking chip that costs them nothing vs paying for a new chip that they then have to inject into everyone's arms.

:P

I made this exact point to some guy at a hotel breakfast who I was chatting with (to be polite) this summer. He asked when I thought the government would be putting chips into people's heads, and I looked at him, looked at his phone, and said "why would they bother -- you already have one you carry around with you everywhere and all the time?"

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Re: How to handle parents who believe fake news?
« Reply #611 on: September 27, 2021, 01:16:46 PM »
My dad texts/emails me info fake news on two constantly warring countries in Asia. I delete it.
When he brings it up, I ask, "Does this affect you? If no, then why spread this? If yes, then where did you get these news from? If on social media, did you verify by reading the entire article on the web to understand context? Did you then read an article from the other country's side? Did you you finally read about it on a 3rd country's website? If you do all 3, and then are more aware of the issues at hand, does your perspective change? Now you are free to believe what you want, after you've heard each side's story."
99% of the time 100% of the info is faked up BS being spread via FaceBook/WhatsApp. He's off FB now, and calmer. And he's blocking/deleting a majority of the nonsense sent to him on Whatsapp.

I think I misunderstood part of your post - the countries or the war is fictional? Or just the rumors that mention them are fictional?

If he believes in fictional wars or fictional countries he gets the blue ribbon for conspiracy believers today.

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Re: How to handle parents who believe fake news?
« Reply #612 on: September 27, 2021, 01:19:38 PM »
And some people tell the world every little thing they are doing using social media and search engines.

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« Reply #613 on: September 27, 2021, 07:30:03 PM »
And some people tell the world every little thing they are doing using social media and search engines.

A little over a year ago we had this amazingly frustrating thread about how detailed cell-phone tracking could be. We went through the physical technology, how major carriers had pubically testified about selling location data to private companies, and how data mining has become so sophisticated that journalists, LEOs and private companies could micro-dissect movement patterns to a profound degree.

Despite understanding (and accepting) each of these parts, a couple posters could not accept that their cell phone could be used to follow their movements and infer patterns (eg favorite stores, speeding, affairs) without their knowledge.

It was truly bizarre. It basically came down to I believe all of these things already exist but I dont believe they could ever be used against me.

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Re: How to handle parents who believe fake news?
« Reply #614 on: September 28, 2021, 08:03:33 AM »
The answer to the original question is that you can't handle parents who believe fake news.  In regards to the pandemic, you follow the cdc guidelines, urge them to get vaccinated, fail to persuade them, wait until they get sick, hope they don't die, and carry on avoiding certain topics of conversation.  You will NEVER get through to them.  My parents got COVID in early September when the hospitals were full in their area (still are), went on oxygen at home for weeks (one is still on oxygen), almost died, and are still convinced that the vaccine kills people. 

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Re: How to handle parents who believe fake news?
« Reply #615 on: September 28, 2021, 08:31:13 AM »
The answer to the original question is that you can't handle parents who believe fake news.  In regards to the pandemic, you follow the cdc guidelines, urge them to get vaccinated, fail to persuade them, wait until they get sick, hope they don't die, and carry on avoiding certain topics of conversation.  You will NEVER get through to them.  My parents got COVID in early September when the hospitals were full in their area (still are), went on oxygen at home for weeks (one is still on oxygen), almost died, and are still convinced that the vaccine kills people.

I don't agree.

I'm a medical professional and have successfully converted staunch anti-western medicine people to come around to accepting various treatments that they were absolutely, ferociously dead set against.

It's not impossible, it's just very difficult, and you have to work *with* the mechanisms that are convincing them in the first place, not against them. If they don't feel validated in their concerns, they will never listen.

We're talking about people who have been convinced of nonsense. If they can be lead to believe nonsense, they can be lead to believe anything. These are by definition the *most* easily convinced people out there.

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« Reply #616 on: September 28, 2021, 09:42:50 AM »
The answer to the original question is that you can't handle parents who believe fake news.  In regards to the pandemic, you follow the cdc guidelines, urge them to get vaccinated, fail to persuade them, wait until they get sick, hope they don't die, and carry on avoiding certain topics of conversation.  You will NEVER get through to them.  My parents got COVID in early September when the hospitals were full in their area (still are), went on oxygen at home for weeks (one is still on oxygen), almost died, and are still convinced that the vaccine kills people.

I don't agree.

I'm a medical professional and have successfully converted staunch anti-western medicine people to come around to accepting various treatments that they were absolutely, ferociously dead set against.

It's not impossible, it's just very difficult, and you have to work *with* the mechanisms that are convincing them in the first place, not against them. If they don't feel validated in their concerns, they will never listen.

We're talking about people who have been convinced of nonsense. If they can be lead to believe nonsense, they can be lead to believe anything. These are by definition the *most* easily convinced people out there.

I'm just so worn down by this type of person that I've misplaced my capacity to hide my complete and utter disdain for what they believe.   I'm hoping I'll find it again and it will be full to the brim since it hasn't been used for several years.

Until then, your approach won't work for me.   They may be gullible as hell, but they're not stupid enough to miss the signs that I think they're a complete moron, and that ruins your approach for me.    I used to be good at it but the well ran dry.

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Re: How to handle parents who believe fake news?
« Reply #617 on: September 28, 2021, 10:24:55 AM »
The answer to the original question is that you can't handle parents who believe fake news.  In regards to the pandemic, you follow the cdc guidelines, urge them to get vaccinated, fail to persuade them, wait until they get sick, hope they don't die, and carry on avoiding certain topics of conversation.  You will NEVER get through to them.  My parents got COVID in early September when the hospitals were full in their area (still are), went on oxygen at home for weeks (one is still on oxygen), almost died, and are still convinced that the vaccine kills people.

I don't agree.

I'm a medical professional and have successfully converted staunch anti-western medicine people to come around to accepting various treatments that they were absolutely, ferociously dead set against.

It's not impossible, it's just very difficult, and you have to work *with* the mechanisms that are convincing them in the first place, not against them. If they don't feel validated in their concerns, they will never listen.

We're talking about people who have been convinced of nonsense. If they can be lead to believe nonsense, they can be lead to believe anything. These are by definition the *most* easily convinced people out there.

I'm just so worn down by this type of person that I've misplaced my capacity to hide my complete and utter disdain for what they believe.   I'm hoping I'll find it again and it will be full to the brim since it hasn't been used for several years.

Until then, your approach won't work for me.   They may be gullible as hell, but they're not stupid enough to miss the signs that I think they're a complete moron, and that ruins your approach for me.    I used to be good at it but the well ran dry.

I'm not arguing it's worth the effort, I'm arguing against the stance that it can't be done.

Whether or not you have the bandwidth for it is a different question.
But it *can* be done.

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Re: How to handle parents who believe fake news?
« Reply #618 on: September 28, 2021, 10:36:22 AM »
The answer to the original question is that you can't handle parents who believe fake news.  In regards to the pandemic, you follow the cdc guidelines, urge them to get vaccinated, fail to persuade them, wait until they get sick, hope they don't die, and carry on avoiding certain topics of conversation.  You will NEVER get through to them.  My parents got COVID in early September when the hospitals were full in their area (still are), went on oxygen at home for weeks (one is still on oxygen), almost died, and are still convinced that the vaccine kills people.

I don't agree.

I'm a medical professional and have successfully converted staunch anti-western medicine people to come around to accepting various treatments that they were absolutely, ferociously dead set against.

It's not impossible, it's just very difficult, and you have to work *with* the mechanisms that are convincing them in the first place, not against them. If they don't feel validated in their concerns, they will never listen.

We're talking about people who have been convinced of nonsense. If they can be lead to believe nonsense, they can be lead to believe anything. These are by definition the *most* easily convinced people out there.

I'm just so worn down by this type of person that I've misplaced my capacity to hide my complete and utter disdain for what they believe.   I'm hoping I'll find it again and it will be full to the brim since it hasn't been used for several years.

Until then, your approach won't work for me.   They may be gullible as hell, but they're not stupid enough to miss the signs that I think they're a complete moron, and that ruins your approach for me.    I used to be good at it but the well ran dry.

I'm not arguing it's worth the effort, I'm arguing against the stance that it can't be done.

Whether or not you have the bandwidth for it is a different question.
But it *can* be done.

To say that it cant be done ignored the scores of formerly deeply entrenched people who have shifted their beliefs for a whole mess of reasons. Is it easy or likely to succeed? No. But that doesnt make the effort futile

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Re: How to handle parents who believe fake news?
« Reply #619 on: September 28, 2021, 11:20:21 AM »
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I'm not arguing it's worth the effort, I'm arguing against the stance that it can't be done.

Whether or not you have the bandwidth for it is a different question.
But it *can* be done.

I agree.

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« Reply #620 on: September 28, 2021, 12:07:32 PM »
I do think some people are persuadable, but I am now convinced that nothing will persuade my parents.  Nothing.  We didn't see them for almost two years until they got covid.  They haven't seen their grandkids because they are unvaccinated.  They were willing to trade off all those holidays with us just so they could remain unvaccinated.  They think the vaccine causes blood clots and covid does not.  They believe the vaccine has killed 150,000 people.  They believe covid has killed fewer people than the vaccine has.  They believe their newly acquired "natural immunity" will last forever and is far better than any vaccine.  I really hope they're right about it lasting, because they still believe the 4+ weeks (ongoing) of sickness and almost having lost my Mom is better than having been vaccinated.  I honestly don't think anything will get through to them at this point.  Maybe a second infection that actually does kill one of them?  Idk.  All I know is that I can't persuade them, and neither can my relatives in the medical profession with actual experience dealing with covid patients.  They just don't believe them.

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« Reply #621 on: September 28, 2021, 12:14:13 PM »
I'm so sorry, @jrhampt

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« Reply #622 on: October 13, 2021, 05:53:41 PM »
Well, my mom is officially a Karen. Got a contractor over at their house doing a project. He raised the price by $100 and apparently mom threatened him that I would post negative reviews on social media. At least she's not a Karen likely to be videoed and go viral?

Now, I'm not thrilled with the contractor. I was considering using him for something at my house, but won't be now. However, I'm extremely not thrilled with my mom speaking for me. Which I told her. So now she's mad at me. I'm also not thrilled that apparently no one who was actually on site today is capable of clearly communicating with me what's going on.

Fun /s.

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« Reply #623 on: October 13, 2021, 07:06:40 PM »
Well, my mom is officially a Karen. Got a contractor over at their house doing a project. He raised the price by $100 and apparently mom threatened him that I would post negative reviews on social media. At least she's not a Karen likely to be videoed and go viral?

Now, I'm not thrilled with the contractor. I was considering using him for something at my house, but won't be now. However, I'm extremely not thrilled with my mom speaking for me. Which I told her. So now she's mad at me. I'm also not thrilled that apparently no one who was actually on site today is capable of clearly communicating with me what's going on.

Fun /s.

Estimates are estimates.    You never know what you'll find once you start fixing something in a house.   $100 is NOTHING if more parts or time was needed.

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Re: How to handle parents who believe fake news?
« Reply #624 on: October 13, 2021, 08:14:19 PM »
Well, my mom is officially a Karen. Got a contractor over at their house doing a project. He raised the price by $100 and apparently mom threatened him that I would post negative reviews on social media. At least she's not a Karen likely to be videoed and go viral?

Now, I'm not thrilled with the contractor. I was considering using him for something at my house, but won't be now. However, I'm extremely not thrilled with my mom speaking for me. Which I told her. So now she's mad at me. I'm also not thrilled that apparently no one who was actually on site today is capable of clearly communicating with me what's going on.

Fun /s.

Estimates are estimates.    You never know what you'll find once you start fixing something in a house.   $100 is NOTHING if more parts or time was needed.

I'm well aware. Its working out ok money wise. It's more than I'd wanted to pay (I'm paying for most of the project), but it's also way more work than I expected so the overall price is fair. Project is to dig out rocks and other waste from the side of the house left over from redoing the driveway, then fill with gravel base and soil. There was way more rock than anyone expected, so more digging plus more materials to refill. I get it. But the communication all around sucked. The contractor messed up, mom messed up, dad messed up, and the contractor has now been instructed to only talk to me if there's problems. Which I think he's perfectly ok with, given mom's behavior today. Hopefully work will be done tomorrow, weather permitting.