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Nancy

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Help with a bike issue?
« on: September 20, 2012, 11:05:06 AM »
Here's the deal: I'm new to biking, and I don't know anything about bikes. I'm having an issue with an older bike of mine where when I brake, the front brake does this stuttering thing, and the front wheel shakes. Does anyone know what could be causing this? If so, is this an expensive fix?

I'm going to take it to a bike shop, but the reviews of the shops in my area are all bad: super expensive with terrible customer service. I wanted to have a little knowledge about the situation before heading in there. Thanks in advance for any insight!

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Re: Help with a bike issue?
« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2012, 12:02:31 PM »
Could be a mixture of the front wheel not being on tight and/or the wheel not being true (straight).

To check the true, pick up the front of the bike, spin the wheel, and look straight down on the wheel, if the rim is bent (looks like it wobbles) you need to true the wheel. A local bike shop, or bike co-op can do that. There are plenty of videos on youtube showing you how to do it yourself.

for the axle, just tighten the axle nut (with a wrench if a solid axle, or by flipping open the toggle on a quick-release skewer, then spinning the toggle while holding the nut on the opposite side of the axle).

I'm sure someone will come along shortly who can explain this better, and can offer other ideas of what could be the issue.

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Re: Help with a bike issue?
« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2012, 12:16:43 PM »
You should also check to see if the wheel is tight on the axle going through it.  If you can grab the spokes and wiggle with wheel back and forth, sideways, and the wheel sort of shifts without the axle moving, then this could be your problem.

If it is, it's easy to fix by just slightly tightening the nuts on both sides of the wheel (the ones inside of the wheel forks, not the ones actually holding the wheel onto the bike) until you can no longer shake it like ou did earlier.  What you are doing it removing excess space that somehow got let in between the bearing in your wheel and the cone shaped cup attached to the axle that spins around them.

Don't go too tight now! Just remove the wiggle.

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Re: Help with a bike issue?
« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2012, 02:03:58 PM »
Possible causes and fixes, from cheapest to most expensive:

1. Brake pad alignment (adjust to include a slight amount of toe-in, or gap at the back of the brake pad)
2. Brake pad material glazing (sand off)
3. Brake pad material deposits on rim (sand off)
4. Brake pad material aging (replace)
5. Dented rim (fix or replace), this will feel like one or two spots where the brake grabs every revolution.  From hitting sharp curbs with low tire pressure.
6. Cantilever brakes with a cable stop mounted to the stem or headset.  Replace with a cable stop on the fork.  When the fork steerer tube flexes, it pulls the cable tighter, causing a feedback loop and brake pulsing.
7. Steel rims instead of aluminum.  Replace the wheels (or get a different bike, maybe cheaper).  Steel rims are dangerous if it's wet anyway - no braking.

Good luck!

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Re: Help with a bike issue?
« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2012, 05:28:02 PM »
It's good that you're wary of the bike shops - you should be wary of anybody selling you a service IMO - but at the same time keep in mind that the online reviews you're reading are only one side of the story. Those who claim that service rates are too high probably don't understand the actual costs (not just labor, but also rent, utilities, stocking hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of goods, continuing education and going to trade shows, insurance, etc. then hoping to make a little profit past that) of running a bike shop. And if you ask the shop staff about one of those "bad service" incidents, they'll probably tell you 5 different ways the reviewer was being a bad customer. Some examples include trying to return legally non-returnable items, asking the staff what bike part they need so they can go order it somewhere else, and not understanding how repairing a bike will cost more than it's worth and why we refuse to fix it.
tl;dr: reviews are almost exclusively left by customers with a bone to pick, so take them with a grain of salt.

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Re: Help with a bike issue?
« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2012, 08:27:52 PM »
Thank you all for your responses! I have much to learn, and I'm excited to try these suggestions.

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Re: Help with a bike issue?
« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2012, 10:47:34 PM »
Sorry to hear about the state of your local bike shops!

If you can't understand or follow the suggestions from "El Beardo Numero Uno", get a bike maintenance book from your library.  There are great books on the topic, and maintaining/repairing your own bike is EXTREMELY rewarding!

Also, check to see if there are bicycle advocacy groups in your area.  In some places there are groups who make it their mission to get people riding and repairing their own bikes, and they can be a great resource for knowledge and cheap used parts.

Ride on!

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Re: Help with a bike issue?
« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2012, 01:17:33 PM »
I've had great luck with "Anybody's Bike Book," which is my go-to bike repair manual.  It's especially handy because the author usually discusses which of these categories a given repair job fits into:
  • You need to fix this temporarily so you can go home.
  • You're at home and this is something you can fix yourself.
  • This is a big pain to fix yourself, and it's probably worth it to take it to a shop unless bike-fixing is also your hobby.

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Re: Help with a bike issue?
« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2012, 07:56:57 PM »
Sounds like a loose headset to me.

Put the bike on flat dry level ground, hold the front brake firmly, and push forward on the handlebar.
Does it rock a tiny bit?
It should be absolutely still, (or, if you push hard enough, the rear wheel should lift off the ground).
If it rocks slightly, see if its moving where the stem goes into the headtube



There are two kinds of headset.

One looks like this:



If it looks like that, loosen the upper lock nut, tighten the top race just until its snug, then tighten the lock nut against it.
The handlebar should still turn smooth and easy, but there should be no lateral play.  Try the thing with the brake again, and it should be perfectly still.  It may take several trys to get it perfect, not too tight not too loose.

If it doesn't look like the above image, it will look like this:



In which case you loosen the pinch bolts, then snug the bolt in the top cap.  Again, tight enough that there is no play, loose enough that it turns without binding.  When its perfect, tighten the pinch bolts again.


If the headset isn't loose, my second guess would be the axle.

however, do NOT just tighten the outside nut.  There are two nuts in a row, and if you tighten the outside one you'll just make it extremely hard to get off, or possibly damage it.
You need to take the wheel completely off, and then loosen the outside lock nuts.



The cones (the threaded part that pushes against the bearing) is the part that needs to be adjusted to take out axle play NOT the nuts.  The cones require a very thin wrench (called, not surprisingly, a cone wrench).
You can not adjust a bike wheel without a cone wrench.  Don't even try.  They aren't terribly expensive.
(Also, for future reference, you can not adjust a rear wheel without taking off the gear set / cassette / freewheel, for which you need a different special tool)
The process is basically the same as for the headset - make it as tight as possible without it binding or dragging or having any extra resistance, which is best done by trial and error.  Make sure to hold the cone in place while tightening the locknut, or you will move its position and have to start over.


Yeah, bikeshops charge a lot.  The ones I work at charge a lot more than I used to charge, however, my old shop was funded by grant money, and they have full time staff to pay, plus rent, electric bills, stuff I never used to have to deal with.  Also, a good bike mechanic has just as much specialized knowledge as a car mechanic.  I never realized how much I didn't know about the finer points until I started working with someone who does know it. 
And you really never know with customers...
I once had a customer insist I was responsible for her flat tire because I had previously adjusted her gears.
Recently I mentioned to a different customer that her crank was loose (she had come in for something else) and then when it came off days later, she told the shop she brought it to that I had just replaced it!  I had just said it needed to be done, not that I had done it.  And don't get me started on the people who ride department store bikes...

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Re: Help with a bike issue?
« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2012, 12:47:44 PM »
Just wanna say, Bakari is a badass and reading through all of the replies on this thread made me actually excited to fix my back tire tonight.

I love bicycles...

I wish I could come learn from Bakari and other Mustachians in person!

 

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