https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1tEpjmFH9g (For Radical Islam in UK...why it shouldn't be tolerated...we don't tolerate bad words against women, gays, but their words are okay yeah?)
I don't know of of other minorities in Western societies that behave this way. Asian, Indians, Hispanics...none of them say this is China, India, you play by our rules and they have different religions. All those minorities accept the rule of law from their adopted country's government. Only a fraction of the Muslim communities behave this way so it's not a complete stretch to say Islam is part of the problem. Not saying all the whites are right either. But a few radicals are silencing the silent majority of moderates.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/15/terrorists-isishttp://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/28/world/americas/isis-online-recruiting-american.htmlI'm just spit firing here, but in some respects, I look at the men who are drawn to commit these horrific acts in a similar way that I look at disgruntled males in this country who shoot up theaters or schools. It's interesting to me that we label lone gunmen as mentally ill, whereas we label those who blow themselves up near a cafe as ideologues. What prompted this was a headline I saw about one of the suicide bombers in Paris who was described by his ex-wife as more like a disgruntled youth who had too much time on his hands than a passionate religious man who believed in a cause.
Obviously those who are running the show (the ones who came up with relatively ingenious plan that Kris outlined above) are more motivated by ideology. And they likely also have a higher sense of self-preservation, since clearly they aren't the ones sacrificing their lives for the cause.
I guess my question is - in light of the fact that almost all the people who commit these events are young people -- what part of this also has to do with modern disaffection and other things that have nothing to do with religion? Many of the European youth who have become radicalized and fly to Syria to be trained were not religious in the slightest. Were they bored? Seeking adventure and meaning? Were their employment prospects dim?
In general, I am fascinated by the radicalization process and how it occurs.
A mixture and important point I can agree w/. Not just similar backgrounds but a mix of religious ideology (misinterpreted or interpreted correctly a matter of debate) that fueled their actions.
Also interesting is that some acts are committed by brothers. Boston marathon bombing, and now this. The older, influencing sibling or figure plays a big role.
Unfortunately, the refugee situation is being used by Daesch to their advantage. And the West is walking headlong into the trap.
Think about it: Why did ISIL make a point of having one of the attackers carry a Syrian passport and masquerade as a refugee, taking care to be documented as having passed through Greece?
It clearly wasn't that they "needed" one final person for the attacks. They obviously had no trouble recruiting disaffected youth from France and Belgium.
No. It was because they wanted to provoke a reaction by the West against the Syrian refugees. Why? Because it helps their cause if we see the Syrian refugees as a threat, and close our borders, and our hearts, to them.
We are being played. And sadly, we're taking the bait hook, line, and sinker. If I were at the head of Daesch, I could hardly dream up a better strategy to recruit even more people to my cause.
Yep. Well said, Kris.
Yeah I agree, I had thought the same. What tells me that ISIS is deliberately trying to start a conflict between refugees and Europe is the fact that the passport was intact. Wouldn't you usually carry the passport on you? And you wouldn't want to leave any trace of identification for committing these crimes. Plus in a blast, the passport would vaporize too no? So to me it's like he threw it on the ground intentionally to stir backlash against the refugees. This would help isolate the refugees and turn the all those refugees into frustrated people who can become potential ISIS bombers.
I do believe the illegal immigrants should be deported for different reasons than religion (principle, rule of law, inability to integrate as demonstrated over decades) and screen for the ones who can integrate.
I have to hand it ISIS, they know exactly how the West works and they're pretty smart. Holding off the most powerful and wealthy militaries, it's no wonder disillusioned youth from the West who are anti-establishment see ISIS as a force capable of going toe to toe w/the West.
Islam is part of the problem I think. Democracy doesn't work in all cases, some places yes, others no. I don't see too many Christians bombing concerts, skyscrapers, trains. I can only think of Norway where that happened and that guy was declared "sane" by court. And when 25% of Muslims agree with the attacks, well that's not the majority but that's real significant. If 25% of Chinese revolted against the Communist Party, that's over 300 million people, pretty significant. 20-25% is a LOT of Muslims who are okay w/jihad living in Europe. That's scary and terrifying. That's several tens of thousands if not more.
When you allow millions of people from a different culture, lower education, lack of employmable skills, different langauge, refusal to adapt, you're gonna get backlash. You can't rush these things, heck we have trouble in America integrating everybody.
Story: woman asked a taxi cab driver in Switzerland who was Muslim how they like Switzerland. Muslim didn't like it. Because of too many gays and women too free. I'm seeing a lot of radical left wingers not tolerate hate speech except from Muslims, really confusing...
Personal story: I was in Germany w/family and while we were driving, a gang of Turkish young men stopped our car and blocked our path, yelling and harassing (I'm not white, muslim,jewish or black) and my uncle had to get out of the car and confront them to move out of the way. These guys weren't interested in education, achievement or making something of themselves. Just causing trouble. Now you can say, "well boys will be boys" but that behavior isn't a good predictor for their future and I'd imagine the unemployment, neglect, poverty, isolation would frustrate them and radical Islam provides a good outlet to channel those violent urges, similar to what justajane said. We never had a problem with Caucasian Germans, they were gracious, kind, helpful. For young European, Muslim youth, expressing violence has a detoxifying effect for them and restores their dignity and pride for them after being beaten down in society for refusing to integrate or behavior for some of them. Their religious values are in direct contrast to the society they chose to seek refuge in. And a few but significant number of them want to make it more like Syria, Iraq, etc.
Plus many of the refugees are seeking asylum in countries w/generous welfare benefits. I'm not sure that's the kind of character of people you need to build a strong country. They're nice people I'm sure. They'd just like more benefits than what they get in Turkey and don't exactly respect immigration law.