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Enjoy the present or pave the way for the future?
« on: August 10, 2013, 05:21:18 PM »
A year ago, I moved to a teeny little town with horrid weather in order to be with my sweetie :) He's the love of my life, but I hate the town. Horrible mosquitoes in the summer, and really intense winter ~8 months of the year. I've made friends, but it's not enough. I really miss my home province, the beautiful climate and friends and family there. I've been in my bf's town for a year, and I've got 2-4 more years to spend there before I can move to my home province. He's willing to move there with me, and can't because he's got a few years left in his medical residency.

So. I'm 25 and I want to enjoy my 20s! I've been in this town and I've made friends, but I'm not maximizing my happiness, that's for sure. However - this is the best guy ever and we have plans to get married in ~3 years. I am very conscious of my biological clock and definitely want to have a family. I see my staying in the tiny town as a sacrifice that is necessary.

Do I suffer in the short term and feel grateful that I found my future spouse (probably)? Or am I crazy for living in a situation that is less than ideal? I don't want to waste my 20s, but I'm not willing to jeopardize my relationship.

Sigh. Just being a complainypants :)

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Re: Enjoy the present or pave the way for the future?
« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2013, 06:07:18 PM »
I'm about to board a plan to aforementioned small town, but here's a quick response:

He feels too young for marriage (age 27, and I'm 24) and we feel too poor for it. His upbringing has made it so that it would be pretty taboo for him to have a small wedding. With our student loans at ~$70,000, a big wedding is a future thing and not possible for the present.

I'm at the start of my career and the small town makes things interesting. Less competition for jobs, but less jobs overall (in my field).

Gym is a good idea. I'm wary of spending money on a membership though... Haha and I lack the motivation to do it without the infrastructure.

I do think marriage would make the small town life easier for me. Then I'd know that this investment was for sure, (divorce notwithstanding), and maybe I'd feel better about it all. I'm making major sacrifices, and my bf is AMAZING and we make as many joint decisions as possible... But still. :/

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Re: Enjoy the present or pave the way for the future?
« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2013, 11:08:33 PM »
8 months of winter?  I'd love it.  Learn to cross-country ski.  If you like dogs, take up skijoring.

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Re: Enjoy the present or pave the way for the future?
« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2013, 08:49:29 AM »
It sounds like you feel like you have two options:  stay with him and suffer through a few years in the small town, or go back to the place you love without him. 

You seem sure (but not 100% sure) that you will marry him, but you have to decide:  Is life with him (in this wintery, small town, hell-hole) better than life without him (somewhere much warmer)?  If you'd be happier without him somewhere nicer, he's probably not the person you want to marry. YMMV.

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Re: Enjoy the present or pave the way for the future?
« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2013, 10:06:35 AM »
it sounds like he is setting all the rules for the relationship....

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« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2013, 10:17:04 AM »
If you are "too young" to marry, are you perhaps also "too young" to sacrifice literally years of acceptable (to you) 20s lifestyle in exchange for "probably" getting married several years from now?

I don't see much difference between those two questions. If Mr. Wonderful loves you as much as you love him, but he doesn't think you can / should marry for years (plural), perhaps he would understand your wanting to carry on your relationship for those years long-distance? It seems as though it might be a healthier choice for both of you....

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Re: Enjoy the present or pave the way for the future?
« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2013, 10:21:29 AM »
If you are "too young" to marry, are you perhaps also "too young" to sacrifice literally years of acceptable (to you) 20s lifestyle in exchange for "probably" getting married several years from now?

I don't see much difference between those two questions. If Mr. Wonderful loves you as much as you love him, but he doesn't think you can / should marry for years (plural), perhaps he would understand your wanting to carry on your relationship for those years long-distance? It seems as though it might be a healthier choice for both of you....

My thoughts exactly.  I think you should move back to your home province (once you get a job lined up) and do a long distance relationship.  I would absolutely not sacrifice 3 years for someone I wasn't married to. 

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Re: Enjoy the present or pave the way for the future?
« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2013, 10:42:22 AM »
hi libraryjoy,
i know where you're coming from and it's tough. marriage is a serious decision and deserves proper consideration. i do not subscribe to when-you-know-you-know. that makes it seem too flippant.
you probably both have valid points for and against and it's a case of working through them to find an outcome you can both be happy with.
i've sent you a private message too.

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Re: Enjoy the present or pave the way for the future?
« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2013, 10:56:33 AM »
I'm not sure "too young" really applies at 27.  "Too immature", perhaps.

I wouldn't marry someone who doesn't want to marry me, but I don't think I'd hang around waiting either.

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« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2013, 11:12:57 AM »
I'm not sure "too young" really applies at 27.  "Too immature", perhaps.

i would agree 27 is not 'too young' but that may not be exactly what he means. he may not feel 'old enough' because he doesn't have the kind of job he wants, because he can't afford the kind of wedding he thinks they should have/the family expects, because he has so much debt.
 there may be a lot of unspoken expectations at play. my bf thought we should buy a house when we got married. his family expected it and we'll still have a bit of a struggle about not doing so. but it's just not realistic atm. it wasn't until that finally came out that we could talk through it and move forward. this had made him feel 'too young' but i think he really meant 'not financially ready'.

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Re: Enjoy the present or pave the way for the future?
« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2013, 01:45:45 PM »
My partner and I lived and worked in a conservative, stifling small town for three years. We had no friends for most of that time. Our relationship took a whole lot of strain and I definitely felt like we were wasting our youth. I don't think we would've made it if bad weather was added to the mix.

From a practical perspective, it helps to know that there is an end in sight. And if you can brave the cold then doing outdoorsy activities might help.

There's a danger that you will end up resenting him and his work, especially since it sounds like you have more free time to sit around being dissatisfied while he is on a tight schedule that wouldn't have left him much time to enjoy his life anyway. That would be a real pity.

I think it's understandable that you're making sacrifices for love but you've got to feel like it is worth it. It has to be a conscious decision that you evaluate every so often, instead of a default/remnant of past decisions. I'd say keep a watch on your feelings and mood and see if you're becoming happier in your choice or more restless. And then go from there.

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Re: Enjoy the present or pave the way for the future?
« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2013, 09:28:56 PM »
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he may not feel 'old enough' because he doesn't have the kind of job he wants, because he can't afford the kind of wedding he thinks they should have/the family expects, because he has so much debt.

Yep. That's totally it. Add to the mix that most marriages he's seen (his parents, friends, etc) were with couples that dated 4+ years before marrying, and my bf and I have been together 2 years. Also add to the mix that I'm his first serious girlfriend, so for a while much of this felt new to him, whereas I was looking for the next level, having "been there, done that" with the whole gf/bf thing. We're really low on money and time right now, so I think the idea of planning a wedding is not fun for him to think about.

BUT GUESS WHAT?

My bf and I are very open. On the plan from hometown to temporary town, I told him I was feeling sad about leaving hometown (we had had a GREAT visit). I then told him about this MMM thread that I started, and how lhmao had asked, "why are you waiting three years to get married?" and I didn't have a good answer! I asked him, why are we waiting so long? Which opened up a good conversation. The end result: I am going to be proposed to some time between now and August 10th, 2014. Yaaaaaaaaaaaay!!!!!! Honestly, this is making it much easier for me to commit to this city. And I already knew that he was determined to be with me forever, but making this more official sounds good to me. So... now I wait, with bated breath! He even asked if I would rather that he pick the ring, or if we pick it together <3 He's a sweetie.

And I'm feeling better. Even though I hate living here, this is a drop in the bucket and will show us that we can get through the easy times and the hard.

So, thanks MMM Forum Commenters! You've helped me become more mustachian, helped me help my sweetie become more mustachian, and you've helped me feel better about my present while getting really truly excited about my future. You guys seriously rule. <3

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Re: Enjoy the present or pave the way for the future?
« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2013, 11:43:31 PM »
Congratulations!

It sounds like you had a good talk and figured out what you needed to make the town bearable for you.

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« Reply #13 on: August 12, 2013, 03:20:01 AM »
if big means lots of people rather than fancy trimmings i hope you can have a big wedding on a limited budget! i'm no diva or bridezilla and have not spent my childhood dreaming of my ideal wedding but i want to make and celebrate that public commitment in front of as many friends and family as possible. which means it'll probably by 'big' but hopefully not expensive. there are ways round a lot of things. but it may take more thought, planning and time.

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« Reply #14 on: August 12, 2013, 05:44:40 AM »
Congratulations!

(Next challenge, as others have commented: find a way to accommodate his family's expectations of the wedding while spending the least amount possible. At the farmer's market Saturday morning I saw a couple of women at a discount/bulk florist backroom making boutoniers and bouquets. I don't think they were florists and suspect they were "pitching in" for a relative or friend's big day.)

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Re: Enjoy the present or pave the way for the future?
« Reply #15 on: August 12, 2013, 07:53:15 AM »
Yeah, I'm definitely going to look hard and close at this example: http://2000dollarwedding.com/

My bf doesn't mind skrimping on the frills, but I think it would be a serious battle if he tried to exclude family. Like, it simply isn't done. Sure, we could trailblaze and be the first, but I would certainly spend an extra $2,000 to avoid the family drama.

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« Reply #16 on: August 12, 2013, 08:50:28 AM »
$2k is definitely worth not becoming "THAT new member of the family"...

If they are show-and-go types, consider a trendy and/or hippie-ish wedding they might find charming. Maybe farm or farm-like setting, rustic flowers, rustic clothes, inexpensive live entertainment, DIY food bar vs expensive, sit-down catered dinner. You are creative and will be able to pull off the Jedi-mind-trick called for here. ("This is not the spendy wedding you were looking for... it's better!")

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« Reply #17 on: August 12, 2013, 09:20:40 AM »
I'm glad you found a compromise which works for you!

I also wanted to mention what my friends did: they just had the big romantic wedding* with all the friends and family this summer... even though they have been "legally" married for about a year. Their reasons to get married in law early were all but romantic (lowering taxes, settling some benefits on one another). Not necessarily for everyone, but if you're feeling mustachian...!

* which was a mostly homemade wedding - they thrifted, crafted, delegated, cooked and baked most of it. And it was gorgeous!

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« Reply #18 on: August 12, 2013, 08:53:17 PM »
Footnote - great idea, especially since my parents have a gorgeous farm!

Impaire - I wish it could beat easy! That sounds good to me, but I've suggested it to my bf and he feels it would be unfair to invite his family to a wedding if we got married prior to the big shebang. Maybe it's a Jewish thing?

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« Reply #19 on: August 12, 2013, 11:06:22 PM »
I've suggested it to my bf and he feels it would be unfair to invite his family to a wedding if we got married prior to the big shebang. Maybe it's a Jewish thing?

Could be, but I think many people would not feel comfortable with this solution! My friends are non-religious, and not terribly awed by the government either. To them the meaningful part was committing in front of everyone, so they didn't feel like they were cheating anyone. I agree with them, but completely understand that others might place the emphasis elsewhere. It's probably a good sign to have some strong feelings about how you want to get married, it means that it's something really significant for you.

Coincidentally, the beautiful wedding was also on a farm.