Thanks all, I'm really happy I jumped in on this thread. As an update to my original question, I may end up waiting and getting a new(er) ICE vehicle first, and then see how the prices come down (or don't) in the next 2-3 years. Price is a large factor for me since I'm still a long way towards being fully FI. There's lots of good information on used Bolts, Kona EVs, and other choices too!
I went back and re-read the entire thread. There's been some really good discussion here. I find that even though I don't care as much about a car's appearance, I do mostly agree with
@neo von retorch 's thoughts (which tends to happen a lot on these forums, we seem to have the same mindset on a lot of things):
...
It's not really about math, though, it's mostly about choice. When I can buy an EV from one of multiple vendors, charge from one of multiple networks, get service from a third party... without those things I'm giving up choice, I'm giving up DIY, etc. I'm not anti-Tesla, just pro-choice.
Except that moreso than most on this thread, I struggle with the thought of ever supporting Tesla as a company. DarkandStormy scratched the surface and nereo provided some good thoughts, but I'm surprised that this hasn't been brought up more here (especially since this thread has seemingly shifted into a Tesla-centric thread -vs- an EV in general one):
Tesla is not an honest company.
I would lump most of the larger automakers into that category too. Ford (Firestone Tire Scandal); Toyota (acceleration coverup); Volkswagen ('Diesel-gate"); Audi (acceleration); GM (Ignition-swiches). Not to mention suppliers such as Takata (airbag-shrapnel).
All of these were known problems with an deliberate coverup, a bunch of deaths, and massive financial settlements...
I'd argue that it seemd to go deeper than that with Tesla. While a little dated,
this article does a decent job of summing up the appalling labor practices, disregard for worker well-being, and toxic environment present at Tesla. Not only are the conditions/injury-rates/etc. bad, but they are definitely worse than the auto-industry average. While not directly about Tesla,
this article covers one of many indefensible practices that occur regularly at SpaceX & Tesla, that have resulted in
numerous lawsuits brought by
former/
current employees at both companies. Maybe I'm just not educated enough and need to read up on the other large auto companies?
Overall, I actually agree with
@sherr that Tesla EVs seem to be years ahead of the nearest competitor. I just hate the idea of supporting and promoting the workplace environment and predatory workplace practices (yes, above and beyond the norm at other automakers) that are allowed to thrive at Tesla. [/endrant]
More than anything I think I'm just annoyed that there is such a large lack of choice when it comes to the EV market. Despite the above I'm not saying I'll never buy a Tesla, just that if I do I'll make the decision with my eyes open and aware of that decision.