Poll

I voted:

For Trump and am happy about it.
23 (8.3%)
For Trump and regret it.
2 (0.7%)
For Clinton and am happy about it.
185 (66.5%)
For Clinton and regret it.
1 (0.4%)
For 3rd party candidate and am happy about it.
48 (17.3%)
For 3rd party candidate and regret it.
3 (1.1%)
I'm not eligible and therefore did not vote.
16 (5.8%)

Total Members Voted: 275

Voting closed: March 02, 2017, 05:19:57 PM

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« Reply #50 on: February 01, 2017, 02:49:34 PM »
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Yep. Hell I fail to see how boycotting a business and protesting qualifies as bullying.

Yeah, I think you misunderstand the definition of the word.  A bully is someone who, oh, I don't know, makes fun of someone for his disability, or laughs at someone for crying.  You know "punching down". 

Boycotting a business isn't bullying, it's using your buying power to attempt to send a message and influence a business.  Hell, it's the most capitalist, red blooded American method of protest I can think of.  Same with standard non-violent protest.  My god, conservatives seem to have the most fragile feelings, don't they?  For people who wanted a world with no political correctness, they can sure dish it out but can't take any criticism at all.

When it gets to "fall in line with our political beliefs or we will organize and do everything we can to destroy your business" yes, I believe that's bullying.  See the Netscape CEO for instance.  Guy gives some moderately trivial amount of money to a "no gay marriage" PAC once and the liberals band together to force him from his job.  Sorry, I think that's bullying.  You can disagree all you want.
So you fund discrimination and are surprised people don't want to give you money....
That is not bullying.  People are not required to give other money, time etc.  Having consequences for your actions is not bullying.

They're bullying a public company for the actions of an employee who was acting as a private citizen.  This isn't Chick Fil A which was, as a company, politically active.  I also don't think that taking a man's livelihood away for political disagreement is a productive sort of political discourse.  I believe that thinking it is is how we got Trump.
Again, no.  First the CEO is the face of the company so he was not acting only as a private citizen and two, you can chose not to fund/support anything you want.  If my money is going to someone, I get to chose if I spend it that way.  That is not bullying.  Mozilla had/has a company culture, his leadership shown by his donation would have effected that culture.  People supported that company partly based on the culture therefore they explain they would not if the culture changed.  The board of Mozilla decided him being CEO was not worth the lack of support they would get by agreeing with the culture change (and losing employees).  That again, is not bullying.  Removing support or funds is not bullying because you are not entitled to either.

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« Reply #51 on: February 01, 2017, 02:57:38 PM »
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Yep. Hell I fail to see how boycotting a business and protesting qualifies as bullying.

Yeah, I think you misunderstand the definition of the word.  A bully is someone who, oh, I don't know, makes fun of someone for his disability, or laughs at someone for crying.  You know "punching down". 

Boycotting a business isn't bullying, it's using your buying power to attempt to send a message and influence a business.  Hell, it's the most capitalist, red blooded American method of protest I can think of.  Same with standard non-violent protest.  My god, conservatives seem to have the most fragile feelings, don't they?  For people who wanted a world with no political correctness, they can sure dish it out but can't take any criticism at all.

When it gets to "fall in line with our political beliefs or we will organize and do everything we can to destroy your business" yes, I believe that's bullying.  See the Netscape CEO for instance.  Guy gives some moderately trivial amount of money to a "no gay marriage" PAC once and the liberals band together to force him from his job.  Sorry, I think that's bullying.  You can disagree all you want.
So you fund discrimination and are surprised people don't want to give you money....
That is not bullying.  People are not required to give other money, time etc.  Having consequences for your actions is not bullying.

They're bullying a public company for the actions of an employee who was acting as a private citizen.  This isn't Chick Fil A which was, as a company, politically active.  I also don't think that taking a man's livelihood away for political disagreement is a productive sort of political discourse.  I believe that thinking it is is how we got Trump.
Again, no.  First the CEO is the face of the company so he was not acting only as a private citizen

He made the donation before he was CEO.


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« Reply #52 on: February 01, 2017, 03:04:01 PM »
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Yep. Hell I fail to see how boycotting a business and protesting qualifies as bullying.

Yeah, I think you misunderstand the definition of the word.  A bully is someone who, oh, I don't know, makes fun of someone for his disability, or laughs at someone for crying.  You know "punching down". 

Boycotting a business isn't bullying, it's using your buying power to attempt to send a message and influence a business.  Hell, it's the most capitalist, red blooded American method of protest I can think of.  Same with standard non-violent protest.  My god, conservatives seem to have the most fragile feelings, don't they?  For people who wanted a world with no political correctness, they can sure dish it out but can't take any criticism at all.

When it gets to "fall in line with our political beliefs or we will organize and do everything we can to destroy your business" yes, I believe that's bullying.  See the Netscape CEO for instance.  Guy gives some moderately trivial amount of money to a "no gay marriage" PAC once and the liberals band together to force him from his job.  Sorry, I think that's bullying.  You can disagree all you want.
So you fund discrimination and are surprised people don't want to give you money....
That is not bullying.  People are not required to give other money, time etc.  Having consequences for your actions is not bullying.

They're bullying a public company for the actions of an employee who was acting as a private citizen.  This isn't Chick Fil A which was, as a company, politically active.  I also don't think that taking a man's livelihood away for political disagreement is a productive sort of political discourse.  I believe that thinking it is is how we got Trump.
Again, no.  First the CEO is the face of the company so he was not acting only as a private citizen

He made the donation before he was CEO.
Great job deleting the rest of my comment.  So I will say again, Mozilla had/has a company culture, his leadership shown by his donation would have effected that culture.  People supported that company partly based on the culture therefore they explain they would not if the culture changed.  The board of Mozilla decided him being CEO was not worth the lack of support they would get by agreeing with the culture change (and losing employees).  That again, is not bullying.  Removing support or funds is not bullying because you are not entitled to either.

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« Reply #53 on: February 01, 2017, 03:16:28 PM »
3rd party (Johnson) and I'm happy about it. The two party system we have is incredibly flawed in my opinion. Also, these parties are corrupt.

My state is almost completely blue, so voting Republican or Democrat does not matter. However, if a 3rd party receives 5% of the popular vote, they are eligible for general election funding. I think this goes a lot further than voting in a state where my vote is negligible.

If I lived in a swing state however, I'd feel very conflicted. I'm not sure what my vote would've been.

I'm glad you at least voted..but I hope you do know that a 3rd party vote in our system is pretty much a 'non vote'.  It's sad but true.

What really irritates me are the folks who didn't vote at all 'out of protest' of one thing or another.  Especially the Bernie supporters who didn't vote for Hillary.  Frankly, you have to be a realist.

Then again, it really would have been interesting if Hillary could have put aside her differences with Bernie and picked him for Vice President.  I feel she truly would have wrapped it up.  In my opinion, her VP choice was absolutely terrible.  It totally killed the energy of many on the democratic side.

Why I voted 3rd party...in making some sort of progress away from the two party system. It 100% makes sense seeing I'm in a blue state (i.e. 1% of the total vote came through and it was given to Hillary). The vote in my state mattered a whole lot less than the potential benefit the country could've gotten with a 3rd party achieving general election funding (general election funding is very significant btw). So to me it made a hell of a lot more sense to vote 3rd party than have my vote go to waste in a state landslide.
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« Reply #54 on: February 01, 2017, 03:30:46 PM »
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Then again, it really would have been interesting if Hillary could have put aside her differences with Bernie and picked him for Vice President.  I feel she truly would have wrapped it up.  In my opinion, her VP choice was absolutely terrible.  It totally killed the energy of many on the democratic side.

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I agree that having Bernie on board as VP would have brought some energy over from his campaign, although some of his supporters would have objected to it. But her ego (i guess), or maybe his, wouldn't allow for it.

Farmecologist and Nick_Miller I'd have to heavily disagree with you on both of your points.

Hillary would've had this election in the bag had she chosen Bernie Sanders as her running mate. It wasn't because of an ego problem, nor failing to appeal to Bernie supporters. It was because the DNC was pitted against Bernie from the very beginning. The SECOND he got even close in the primaries, he was shut down. In other words, the DNC wasn't representing the American people's Democratic Party and is corrupt.

It was also because Hillary's corporate interests would not allow Bernie anywhere close to VP. He actually sticks to his guns his ideologies were not gonna fly by the corporate establishment.
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« Reply #55 on: February 01, 2017, 03:42:39 PM »
The problem with that poll is that the only group who could possibly have regret right now are Trump voters. There is no reason to regret a vote for anyone else except maybe 3rd party if you think voting for Clinton would have ousted Trump. So unsurprisingly the only regret votes are 3rd party.

Expressing regret for a Trump vote would mean that they now feel they should have voted for someone else, which can loosely get translated to feeling we would be better off with Clinton.

That is a sentiment I would expect most Trump voters to never agree with, even if he fails to bring jobs back. If you stood behind Trump you were probably at least behind one of the following ideas, pro deregulation, anti-trade(trying to get manufacture jobs back), anti-immigrant(think certain immigrants are security risks or hurting jobs), or anti-abortion. Clinton was pretty much certain to tread on some or all of those convictions. And Trump has made some progress on all those fronts.

As someone center left I disagree with all of his recent mandates to varying degrees, even though many of them are fluff or only harmful because of the unprofessional manner in which they were rushed into law. 


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« Reply #56 on: February 01, 2017, 03:46:23 PM »
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Then again, it really would have been interesting if Hillary could have put aside her differences with Bernie and picked him for Vice President.  I feel she truly would have wrapped it up.  In my opinion, her VP choice was absolutely terrible.  It totally killed the energy of many on the democratic side.

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I agree that having Bernie on board as VP would have brought some energy over from his campaign, although some of his supporters would have objected to it. But her ego (i guess), or maybe his, wouldn't allow for it.

Farmecologist and Nick_Miller I'd have to heavily disagree with you on both of your points.

Hillary would've had this election in the bag had she chosen Bernie Sanders as her running mate. It wasn't because of an ego problem, nor failing to appeal to Bernie supporters. It was because the DNC was pitted against Bernie from the very beginning. The SECOND he got even close in the primaries, he was shut down. In other words, the DNC wasn't representing the American people's Democratic Party and is corrupt.

It was also because Hillary's corporate interests would not allow Bernie anywhere close to VP. He actually sticks to his guns his ideologies were not gonna fly by the corporate establishment.

I think I am in violent agreement with you (?).  Maybe you misread my comment...or I wasn't clear.  I totally agree that Hillary would have had the election in the bag if she would have picked Bernie.  I was just wondering why it didn't happen.  I've read many theories ( including yours )...but no definitive answer yet.




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« Reply #57 on: February 01, 2017, 03:56:07 PM »
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Yep. Hell I fail to see how boycotting a business and protesting qualifies as bullying.

Yeah, I think you misunderstand the definition of the word.  A bully is someone who, oh, I don't know, makes fun of someone for his disability, or laughs at someone for crying.  You know "punching down". 

Boycotting a business isn't bullying, it's using your buying power to attempt to send a message and influence a business.  Hell, it's the most capitalist, red blooded American method of protest I can think of.  Same with standard non-violent protest.  My god, conservatives seem to have the most fragile feelings, don't they?  For people who wanted a world with no political correctness, they can sure dish it out but can't take any criticism at all.

When it gets to "fall in line with our political beliefs or we will organize and do everything we can to destroy your business" yes, I believe that's bullying.  See the Netscape CEO for instance.  Guy gives some moderately trivial amount of money to a "no gay marriage" PAC once and the liberals band together to force him from his job.  Sorry, I think that's bullying.  You can disagree all you want.
So you fund discrimination and are surprised people don't want to give you money....
That is not bullying.  People are not required to give other money, time etc.  Having consequences for your actions is not bullying.

They're bullying a public company for the actions of an employee who was acting as a private citizen.  This isn't Chick Fil A which was, as a company, politically active.  I also don't think that taking a man's livelihood away for political disagreement is a productive sort of political discourse.  I believe that thinking it is is how we got Trump.
Again, no.  First the CEO is the face of the company so he was not acting only as a private citizen

He made the donation before he was CEO.
Great job deleting the rest of my comment.

I deleted the rest of your comment because I don't feel like arguing with you.  I was just correcting a fact.

I did it again.  I don't feel like arguing the point.  But the "my way or the highway" sentiment of liberals right now IS part of the sentiment that got Trump elected.  Bicker over whether or not it's bullying or not, I think liberals are now in the practice of shouting down and demonizing all dissent or disagreement in such a scorched earth way that I don't think does them any favors. 

Headed home soon, feel free to argue more but I'm not engaging.

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« Reply #58 on: February 01, 2017, 04:00:52 PM »
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Trump and very happy about it. 4th Estate hysterics. Identity politics backfiring.  Swamp being drained.

As a Trump supporter, what do you think of his cabinet/agency picks?
Beyond Mathis/Kelly/Shulkin...eh, I personally don't think it's a stellar slate.

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« Reply #59 on: February 01, 2017, 04:24:06 PM »
The problem with that poll is that the only group who could possibly have regret right now are Trump voters. There is no reason to regret a vote for anyone else except maybe 3rd party if you think voting for Clinton would have ousted Trump. So unsurprisingly the only regret votes are 3rd party.

Expressing regret for a Trump vote would mean that they now feel they should have voted for someone else, which can loosely get translated to feeling we would be better off with Clinton.

That is a sentiment I would expect most Trump voters to never agree with, even if he fails to bring jobs back. If you stood behind Trump you were probably at least behind one of the following ideas, pro deregulation, anti-trade(trying to get manufacture jobs back), anti-immigrant(think certain immigrants are security risks or hurting jobs), or anti-abortion. Clinton was pretty much certain to tread on some or all of those convictions. And Trump has made some progress on all those fronts.

As someone center left I disagree with all of his recent mandates to varying degrees, even though many of them are fluff or only harmful because of the unprofessional manner in which they were rushed into law.

http://www.areyousorryyet.com

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« Reply #60 on: February 01, 2017, 04:37:23 PM »
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Yep. Hell I fail to see how boycotting a business and protesting qualifies as bullying.

Yeah, I think you misunderstand the definition of the word.  A bully is someone who, oh, I don't know, makes fun of someone for his disability, or laughs at someone for crying.  You know "punching down". 

Boycotting a business isn't bullying, it's using your buying power to attempt to send a message and influence a business.  Hell, it's the most capitalist, red blooded American method of protest I can think of.  Same with standard non-violent protest.  My god, conservatives seem to have the most fragile feelings, don't they?  For people who wanted a world with no political correctness, they can sure dish it out but can't take any criticism at all.

When it gets to "fall in line with our political beliefs or we will organize and do everything we can to destroy your business" yes, I believe that's bullying.  See the Netscape CEO for instance.  Guy gives some moderately trivial amount of money to a "no gay marriage" PAC once and the liberals band together to force him from his job.  Sorry, I think that's bullying.  You can disagree all you want.
So you fund discrimination and are surprised people don't want to give you money....
That is not bullying.  People are not required to give other money, time etc.  Having consequences for your actions is not bullying.

They're bullying a public company for the actions of an employee who was acting as a private citizen.  This isn't Chick Fil A which was, as a company, politically active.  I also don't think that taking a man's livelihood away for political disagreement is a productive sort of political discourse.  I believe that thinking it is is how we got Trump.
Again, no.  First the CEO is the face of the company so he was not acting only as a private citizen

He made the donation before he was CEO.
Great job deleting the rest of my comment.  So I will say again, Mozilla had/has a company culture, his leadership shown by his donation would have effected that culture.  People supported that company partly based on the culture therefore they explain they would not if the culture changed.  The board of Mozilla decided him being CEO was not worth the lack of support they would get by agreeing with the culture change (and losing employees).  That again, is not bullying.  Removing support or funds is not bullying because you are not entitled to either.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mozilla-ceo-resignation-idUSBREA321Y320140403

He got fired in 2014 for a donation made in 2008?  That's insane if that's all he did (ie make a donation to a now unpopular cause).  I think most rationale people would agree that views on gay marriage have evolved massively over the last 5 to 10 years.

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« Reply #61 on: February 01, 2017, 04:44:49 PM »
Very interesting poll results.  I frankly didn't expect that.

Wow. Same reaction from me. But the results explain many, many, many recent posts here.

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« Reply #62 on: February 01, 2017, 04:57:38 PM »
For comparison, the final tally on the " who would you vote for" poll was:

 Whom do you plan to vote for in November?

Hillary Clinton    115 (51.3%)
Donald Trump    20 (8.9%)
Gary Johnson    75 (33.5%)
Jill Stein             9 (4%)
Plan to abstain in November    5 (2.2%)

These do not partition the same as the results in the current poll FWIW.

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« Reply #63 on: February 01, 2017, 05:31:13 PM »
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Then again, it really would have been interesting if Hillary could have put aside her differences with Bernie and picked him for Vice President.  I feel she truly would have wrapped it up.  In my opinion, her VP choice was absolutely terrible.  It totally killed the energy of many on the democratic side.

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I agree that having Bernie on board as VP would have brought some energy over from his campaign, although some of his supporters would have objected to it. But her ego (i guess), or maybe his, wouldn't allow for it.

Farmecologist and Nick_Miller I'd have to heavily disagree with you on both of your points.

Hillary would've had this election in the bag had she chosen Bernie Sanders as her running mate. It wasn't because of an ego problem, nor failing to appeal to Bernie supporters. It was because the DNC was pitted against Bernie from the very beginning. The SECOND he got even close in the primaries, he was shut down. In other words, the DNC wasn't representing the American people's Democratic Party and is corrupt.

It was also because Hillary's corporate interests would not allow Bernie anywhere close to VP. He actually sticks to his guns his ideologies were not gonna fly by the corporate establishment.

I think I am in violent agreement with you (?).  Maybe you misread my comment...or I wasn't clear.  I totally agree that Hillary would have had the election in the bag if she would have picked Bernie.  I was just wondering why it didn't happen.  I've read many theories ( including yours )...but no definitive answer yet.

Ohh, my bad! Think I was just getting a bit heated about the corruption that went on, and for that matter, still goes on. My mistake!
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« Reply #64 on: February 01, 2017, 05:34:27 PM »
Other: I penciled in Harambe for POTUS

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« Reply #65 on: February 01, 2017, 05:37:03 PM »
I did it again.  I don't feel like arguing the point.  But the "my way or the highway" sentiment of liberals right now IS part of the sentiment that got Trump elected.  Bicker over whether or not it's bullying or not, I think liberals are now in the practice of shouting down and demonizing all dissent or disagreement in such a scorched earth way that I don't think does them any favors. 

Trump got elected because people hate Hillary.  Full Stop.  Even (some) Democrats hated Hillary, which was evidenced by the voter turnout.  If you think it's because of some cultural shift, or political tactics, or any other reason, you're reading way too much into it.

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« Reply #66 on: February 01, 2017, 05:42:36 PM »
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Yep. Hell I fail to see how boycotting a business and protesting qualifies as bullying.

Yeah, I think you misunderstand the definition of the word.  A bully is someone who, oh, I don't know, makes fun of someone for his disability, or laughs at someone for crying.  You know "punching down". 

Boycotting a business isn't bullying, it's using your buying power to attempt to send a message and influence a business.  Hell, it's the most capitalist, red blooded American method of protest I can think of.  Same with standard non-violent protest.  My god, conservatives seem to have the most fragile feelings, don't they?  For people who wanted a world with no political correctness, they can sure dish it out but can't take any criticism at all.

When it gets to "fall in line with our political beliefs or we will organize and do everything we can to destroy your business" yes, I believe that's bullying.  See the Netscape CEO for instance.  Guy gives some moderately trivial amount of money to a "no gay marriage" PAC once and the liberals band together to force him from his job.  Sorry, I think that's bullying.  You can disagree all you want.
So you fund discrimination and are surprised people don't want to give you money....
That is not bullying.  People are not required to give other money, time etc.  Having consequences for your actions is not bullying.

They're bullying a public company for the actions of an employee who was acting as a private citizen.  This isn't Chick Fil A which was, as a company, politically active.  I also don't think that taking a man's livelihood away for political disagreement is a productive sort of political discourse.  I believe that thinking it is is how we got Trump.
Again, no.  First the CEO is the face of the company so he was not acting only as a private citizen

He made the donation before he was CEO.
Great job deleting the rest of my comment.

I deleted the rest of your comment because I don't feel like arguing with you.  I was just correcting a fact.

I did it again.  I don't feel like arguing the point.  But the "my way or the highway" sentiment of liberals right now IS part of the sentiment that got Trump elected.  Bicker over whether or not it's bullying or not, I think liberals are now in the practice of shouting down and demonizing all dissent or disagreement in such a scorched earth way that I don't think does them any favors. 

Headed home soon, feel free to argue more but I'm not engaging.

In Chicago perhaps the "my way or the highway" is the sentiment of liberals.  In NC where I live the "my way or the highway" is the sentiment of conservatives.  I am an Independent and pretty middle of the road, probably would be a blue dog Democrat or moderate Republican if any still existed.  But, most liberals I've encountered want to engage with me and have a discussion.  Not so conservatives, the hateful name calling and telling me I'm stupid is rampant, even from family members.  I disliked Hillary, but Trump is scary and couldn't tell the truth if his life depended upon it, I didn't even have to think twice about my vote. 

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« Reply #67 on: February 01, 2017, 05:44:08 PM »
Trump got elected because people hate Hillary.  Full Stop.  Even (some) Democrats hated Hillary, which was evidenced by the voter turnout.  If you think it's because of some cultural shift, or political tactics, or any other reason, you're reading way too much into it.

As a republican, I hated that my party's candidate was Donald Trump. Hated it. But come hell or high water, I could never, ever vote for Hillary. In my mind, there was no good option to select. Hell, I would have voted for Obama for a third term if I could have...and I'm no fan of Obama.

I honestly believe that if either party had picked ANYBODY else to run, that person would have won in a landslide. Of course I could be wrong.

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« Reply #68 on: February 01, 2017, 10:07:44 PM »
I'm not really sure how any parent could tell their kids "Don't bully other kids!" and then vote for a vicious, cruel bully of a man, no matter what his politics are.


Frankly, I'm seeing a ton of bullying done by the opposition to Trump these days too.  Shouting people down, boycotts and protests over everything (boycott LL Bean because 1 of the 50 family members contributed to Trump??), etc etc etc.  There's become a "socially acceptable" stance on Trump and his politics and if you cross it, prepare to be bullied and shamed.


I voted 3rd party and I'm happy with that.  I still think out of any random 100 people, Trump was the 2nd least worthy of being President and Hillary is the least.

Good lord, is anyone else a freaking SICK of the "tu quoque" logical fallacy as I am?

It's pretty much the only argument they have. Also fairly sure most of them have no idea what it means and/or are clamping down on some epic levels of cognitive dissonance.

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« Reply #69 on: February 01, 2017, 10:33:00 PM »
I would have voted for Obama if a third term had been allowed, and he is on record saying he would have run. That said, I confidently voted for Hillary. I so wanted for my daughters to experience a smart, capable woman in the Oval Office, especially one who had been a well respected Senator and hard working Secretary of State. And yes, I thought her VP pick, while "safe", was curious at best and quite likely cost votes. (even though she won the popular vote!)

Like so many, I've been appalled and in shock since November. The only thing to hope for is that things won't be as terribly shitty as we suspect they will be.

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« Reply #70 on: February 01, 2017, 10:51:33 PM »
Well let me get attacked now.

I voted for Trump and I am fairly happy with how things are going so far. My only surprise is the reaction of my fellow citizens to things like immigration control etc.

I think if I were a terrorist in Syria or Iraq and my ultimate fantasy were to kill some Americans and be a martyr. How funny must I see it that Americans are protesting against each other to try and let me in to kill them.

To me the reactions in general seem silly. I hated many of Obama's decisions however I respected they were the will of the American people. I never once said I know I'm going to go stop rush hour traffic of everyday people to protest how angry I am about decision A.

What did I do? I said this is a directions I am not comfortable participating in; I need to prepare myself to cut ties and minimize my assistance in what I don't believe in. I raised my son making sure he would never join the military as I saw its decline and use a social experiment. I bought property overseas and started making investments overseas to cut down on tax revenue that could be used for policies I didn't support. I applied for and obtained a second citizenship.

I made an effort to prepare to leave a system I didn't support. I didn't cry because an individual that held views I believe to be hostile to the American way of life was elected by our legal political system. While working for this system I followed all lawful orders I was given even those I firmly disagreed with them. I got a vote and I voted. Things didn't turn out my way; I dealt with it without harassing others, burning down my town, or attacking people who didn't agree with me.

Thank you for your post. You seem to be a person that believes in following the rules, but then is prepared to work to change them. What should happen to people who refuse to follow a legal court order? At a time when common ground will be most important, do you share the concern of others when people ignored the order to immediately suspend the deportation process while it clearly continued? What about AG Yates; same fate or different?

Failing to follow a legal court order in my opinion is a crime. Again even though they may haven't agreed if they accepted it to be legal they had to do it. But if they thought it wasn't a lawful order they had an obligation to say so to their superiors and seek a legal opinion. As soon as they were told by competent legal authority that is was legal they had an obligation to execute the order. In the case of AG Yates she was a public servant so she had the option to say I don't feel comfortable following this order and I therefore resign effective immediately. The part where she really messed up and could easily be prosecuted is when she committed sedition by encouraging others to not follow a lawful order.
No, her responsibility as AG is to say no to president if his order is illegal.  You do not have to resign to say no.  Also, the court had already stayed the EO because of the potential illegalness of it so to say it was a legal order is not true.

To reinforce this view, here is when (Attorney General-designate) Sessions questioned Yates during her 2015 confirmation hearings for deputy AG:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/01/31/watch-sally-yates-answer-the-question-that-got-her-fired-by-president-trump/?utm_term=.c194db0d212e
I wonder if Sessions will say no...

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Regarding the election, there were only two serious candidates: Hillary and McMullin (I was feeling conservative that day so I went with Evan but Hillary was my second choice).

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« Reply #72 on: February 02, 2017, 12:22:01 AM »


http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mozilla-ceo-resignation-idUSBREA321Y320140403

He got fired in 2014 for a donation made in 2008?  That's insane if that's all he did (ie make a donation to a now unpopular cause).  I think most rationale people would agree that views on gay marriage have evolved massively over the last 5 to 10 years.
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This is one of the reasons why I choose to have a plan B of leaving. I would say that these views on gay marriage didn't evolve they were easily manipulated by media and Hollywood. All of a sudden out of no where on almost every show they started having quasi normal acting same sex couples and pretending like it was normal. On many shows the frequency of these couples made it appear as if 20-30% of couples were same sex.

In all honesty I don't care about gay marriage at all one way or another. I think gays should have the opportunity to be just as miserable as all us hetero married people. That being said how rapidly the media was able to shift the view of the entire nation from about 70% against to 70% for scared the crap out of me.

That shows how easy our society is to manipulate and sway from any of their view points. Because the media is dominated and controlled by the left they can at will push any wild agenda they want.

That is very scary to me.


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Yep. Hell I fail to see how boycotting a business and protesting qualifies as bullying.

Yeah, I think you misunderstand the definition of the word.  A bully is someone who, oh, I don't know, makes fun of someone for his disability, or laughs at someone for crying.  You know "punching down". 

Boycotting a business isn't bullying, it's using your buying power to attempt to send a message and influence a business.  Hell, it's the most capitalist, red blooded American method of protest I can think of.  Same with standard non-violent protest.  My god, conservatives seem to have the most fragile feelings, don't they?  For people who wanted a world with no political correctness, they can sure dish it out but can't take any criticism at all.

When it gets to "fall in line with our political beliefs or we will organize and do everything we can to destroy your business" yes, I believe that's bullying.  See the Netscape CEO for instance.  Guy gives some moderately trivial amount of money to a "no gay marriage" PAC once and the liberals band together to force him from his job.  Sorry, I think that's bullying.  You can disagree all you want.
So you fund discrimination and are surprised people don't want to give you money....
That is not bullying.  People are not required to give other money, time etc.  Having consequences for your actions is not bullying.

They're bullying a public company for the actions of an employee who was acting as a private citizen.  This isn't Chick Fil A which was, as a company, politically active.  I also don't think that taking a man's livelihood away for political disagreement is a productive sort of political discourse.  I believe that thinking it is is how we got Trump.

Sorry I am not buying it. By your logic continuing to fund said person's "livelihood" could be interpreted as supporting their actions and motivations. I don't go to SeaWorld or the Circus because of their unethical treatment of animals. Is that bullying? Is bullying only relegated to political motivations? How about not eating at Jimmy John's anymore because the piece of shit owner enjoys shooting endangered species? Is that bullying?

You are really reaching with this.   

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« Reply #74 on: February 02, 2017, 05:34:44 AM »
This is one of the reasons why I choose to have a plan B of leaving. I would say that these views on gay marriage didn't evolve they were easily manipulated by media and Hollywood. All of a sudden out of no where on almost every show they started having quasi normal acting same sex couples and pretending like it was normal. On many shows the frequency of these couples made it appear as if 20-30% of couples were same sex.

In all honesty I don't care about gay marriage at all one way or another. I think gays should have the opportunity to be just as miserable as all us hetero married people. That being said how rapidly the media was able to shift the view of the entire nation from about 70% against to 70% for scared the crap out of me.

That shows how easy our society is to manipulate and sway from any of their view points. Because the media is dominated and controlled by the left they can at will push any wild agenda they want.

That is very scary to me.

If that were the case Trump wouldn't be President and you wouldn't have millions of folks still running around yelling "ahhh Benghazi" or "Lock her up!" It works both ways. Don't pretend the liberal media has mind control over everyone.

Nice made up stats too. More alternative facts?
http://www.pewforum.org/2016/05/12/changing-attitudes-on-gay-marriage/

If you want to blame someone (or credit them) I would suggest first looking at the church. Same sex marriage has become much more acceptable. And if you were trying to chastise liberal media perhaps picking something other than gay marriage (ie equality) would drive home the point. You just credited them with shifting people's attitudes to be more accepting of others. Equality, just some wild, crazy agenda I suppose. Oh the horror!

For the record, I hate the media. One of the reasons I got rid of cable.

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« Reply #75 on: February 02, 2017, 06:22:27 AM »


http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mozilla-ceo-resignation-idUSBREA321Y320140403

He got fired in 2014 for a donation made in 2008?  That's insane if that's all he did (ie make a donation to a now unpopular cause).  I think most rationale people would agree that views on gay marriage have evolved massively over the last 5 to 10 years.

This is one of the reasons why I choose to have a plan B of leaving. I would say that these views on gay marriage didn't evolve they were easily manipulated by media and Hollywood. All of a sudden out of no where on almost every show they started having quasi normal acting same sex couples and pretending like it was normal. On many shows the frequency of these couples made it appear as if 20-30% of couples were same sex.

In all honesty I don't care about gay marriage at all one way or another. I think gays should have the opportunity to be just as miserable as all us hetero married people. That being said how rapidly the media was able to shift the view of the entire nation from about 70% against to 70% for scared the crap out of me.

That shows how easy our society is to manipulate and sway from any of their view points. Because the media is dominated and controlled by the left they can at will push any wild agenda they want.

That is very scary to me.
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Gay couples are completely normal and have been around since the dawn of time. I, personally, am astounded that it has taken us so long to realize this.

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« Reply #76 on: February 02, 2017, 06:37:38 AM »


http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mozilla-ceo-resignation-idUSBREA321Y320140403

He got fired in 2014 for a donation made in 2008?  That's insane if that's all he did (ie make a donation to a now unpopular cause).  I think most rationale people would agree that views on gay marriage have evolved massively over the last 5 to 10 years.

This is one of the reasons why I choose to have a plan B of leaving. I would say that these views on gay marriage didn't evolve they were easily manipulated by media and Hollywood. All of a sudden out of no where on almost every show they started having quasi normal acting same sex couples and pretending like it was normal. On many shows the frequency of these couples made it appear as if 20-30% of couples were same sex.

In all honesty I don't care about gay marriage at all one way or another. I think gays should have the opportunity to be just as miserable as all us hetero married people. That being said how rapidly the media was able to shift the view of the entire nation from about 70% against to 70% for scared the crap out of me.

That shows how easy our society is to manipulate and sway from any of their view points. Because the media is dominated and controlled by the left they can at will push any wild agenda they want.

That is very scary to me.

Gay couples are completely normal and have been around since the dawn of time. I, personally, am astounded that it has taken us so long to realize this.

PK - My comment was not a commentary on gay marriage.  If I read the article correctly, the person in question made a small donation to a now unpopular cause 6 years before he was fired.

Going after someone for that (if that's all there is to the story), is a complete over reaction at the least especially given the time lapse on the action.

People should be free to have unpopular views in their private lives.
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« Reply #77 on: February 02, 2017, 06:46:24 AM »


http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mozilla-ceo-resignation-idUSBREA321Y320140403

He got fired in 2014 for a donation made in 2008?  That's insane if that's all he did (ie make a donation to a now unpopular cause).  I think most rationale people would agree that views on gay marriage have evolved massively over the last 5 to 10 years.

This is one of the reasons why I choose to have a plan B of leaving. I would say that these views on gay marriage didn't evolve they were easily manipulated by media and Hollywood. All of a sudden out of no where on almost every show they started having quasi normal acting same sex couples and pretending like it was normal. On many shows the frequency of these couples made it appear as if 20-30% of couples were same sex.

In all honesty I don't care about gay marriage at all one way or another. I think gays should have the opportunity to be just as miserable as all us hetero married people. That being said how rapidly the media was able to shift the view of the entire nation from about 70% against to 70% for scared the crap out of me.

That shows how easy our society is to manipulate and sway from any of their view points. Because the media is dominated and controlled by the left they can at will push any wild agenda they want.

That is very scary to me.
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Uh I'd argue that religious groups are 10 times more manipulative and destructive than "Hollywood." Maybe 20 times. Wait...100 times.

Hollywood doesn't get to play the trump card of "Our beliefs are the only path to salvation!" Hollywood can only nudge social attitudes through the prism of entertainment. You tell me which is more manipulative???

And I concur with the poster who said they experience plenty of "my way or the highway" from conservatives. And it makes sense. Many conservatives are primarily guided by religious beliefs, which many of them view as infallible. So it's hardly surprising they aren't the most flexible lot. Why be flexible or thoughtful or accomodating when you're already following what you believe is a guidebook to a perfect life?  What could you possibly learn from a progressive person, or even a secular moderate?

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« Reply #78 on: February 02, 2017, 07:12:05 AM »
This is one of the reasons why I choose to have a plan B of leaving. I would say that these views on gay marriage didn't evolve they were easily manipulated by media and Hollywood. All of a sudden out of no where on almost every show they started having quasi normal acting same sex couples and pretending like it was normal. On many shows the frequency of these couples made it appear as if 20-30% of couples were same sex.

In all honesty I don't care about gay marriage at all one way or another. I think gays should have the opportunity to be just as miserable as all us hetero married people. That being said how rapidly the media was able to shift the view of the entire nation from about 70% against to 70% for scared the crap out of me.

That shows how easy our society is to manipulate and sway from any of their view points. Because the media is dominated and controlled by the left they can at will push any wild agenda they want.

That is very scary to me.

If that were the case Trump wouldn't be President and you wouldn't have millions of folks still running around yelling "ahhh Benghazi" or "Lock her up!" It works both ways. Don't pretend the liberal media has mind control over everyone.

Nice made up stats too. More alternative facts?
http://www.pewforum.org/2016/05/12/changing-attitudes-on-gay-marriage/

If you want to blame someone (or credit them) I would suggest first looking at the church. Same sex marriage has become much more acceptable. And if you were trying to chastise liberal media perhaps picking something other than gay marriage (ie equality) would drive home the point. You just credited them with shifting people's attitudes to be more accepting of others. Equality, just some wild, crazy agenda I suppose. Oh the horror!

For the record, I hate the media. One of the reasons I got rid of cable.

Maybe the attitudes changed on gay marriage because Gen X and Millennials, all of whom are accepting of gay marriage, are becoming more influential.  I didn't need Hollywood to change my mind, I just prefer not to have my friends and family discriminated against. 

And liberal media, I'm so tired of hearing about the liberal media. If it is so liberal, why aren't more people squawking Bayda like they did Bengazi?  This was on Reuters today and an American serviceman died because Trump wanted to be John Wayne.  Screw that. 

"U.S. military officials told Reuters that Trump approved his first covert counterterrorism operation without sufficient intelligence, ground support or adequate backup preparations.

As a result, three officials said, the attacking SEAL team found itself dropping onto a reinforced al Qaeda base defended by landmines, snipers, and a larger than expected contingent of heavily armed Islamist extremists."

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« Reply #79 on: February 02, 2017, 07:16:26 AM »
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http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mozilla-ceo-resignation-idUSBREA321Y320140403

He got fired in 2014 for a donation made in 2008?  That's insane if that's all he did (ie make a donation to a now unpopular cause).  I think most rationale people would agree that views on gay marriage have evolved massively over the last 5 to 10 years.

This is one of the reasons why I choose to have a plan B of leaving. I would say that these views on gay marriage didn't evolve they were easily manipulated by media and Hollywood. All of a sudden out of no where on almost every show they started having quasi normal acting same sex couples and pretending like it was normal. On many shows the frequency of these couples made it appear as if 20-30% of couples were same sex.

In all honesty I don't care about gay marriage at all one way or another. I think gays should have the opportunity to be just as miserable as all us hetero married people. That being said how rapidly the media was able to shift the view of the entire nation from about 70% against to 70% for scared the crap out of me.

That shows how easy our society is to manipulate and sway from any of their view points. Because the media is dominated and controlled by the left they can at will push any wild agenda they want.

That is very scary to me.




Uh I'd argue that religious groups are 10 times more manipulative and destructive than "Hollywood." Maybe 20 times. Wait...100 times.

Hollywood doesn't get to play the trump card of "Our beliefs are the only path to salvation!" Hollywood can only nudge social attitudes through the prism of entertainment. You tell me which is more manipulative???

And I concur with the poster who said they experience plenty of "my way or the highway" from conservatives. And it makes sense. Many conservatives are primarily guided by religious beliefs, which many of them view as infallible. So it's hardly surprising they aren't the most flexible lot. Why be flexible or thoughtful or accomodating when you're already following what you believe is a guidebook to a perfect life?  What could you possibly learn from a progressive person, or even a secular moderate?

Nick, I think I love you. Thanks for saying this so succinctly. You should be a writer. I hear there is a step-by-step program for that.

*Also, I threw a quote tag in there just to get things lining up right. No idea if its in the right spot.

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« Reply #80 on: February 02, 2017, 07:40:30 AM »
This is one of the reasons why I choose to have a plan B of leaving. I would say that these views on gay marriage didn't evolve they were easily manipulated by media and Hollywood. All of a sudden out of no where on almost every show they started having quasi normal acting same sex couples and pretending like it was normal. On many shows the frequency of these couples made it appear as if 20-30% of couples were same sex.

In all honesty I don't care about gay marriage at all one way or another. I think gays should have the opportunity to be just as miserable as all us hetero married people. That being said how rapidly the media was able to shift the view of the entire nation from about 70% against to 70% for scared the crap out of me.

That shows how easy our society is to manipulate and sway from any of their view points. Because the media is dominated and controlled by the left they can at will push any wild agenda they want.

That is very scary to me.

If that were the case Trump wouldn't be President and you wouldn't have millions of folks still running around yelling "ahhh Benghazi" or "Lock her up!" It works both ways. Don't pretend the liberal media has mind control over everyone.

Nice made up stats too. More alternative facts?
http://www.pewforum.org/2016/05/12/changing-attitudes-on-gay-marriage/

If you want to blame someone (or credit them) I would suggest first looking at the church. Same sex marriage has become much more acceptable. And if you were trying to chastise liberal media perhaps picking something other than gay marriage (ie equality) would drive home the point. You just credited them with shifting people's attitudes to be more accepting of others. Equality, just some wild, crazy agenda I suppose. Oh the horror!

For the record, I hate the media. One of the reasons I got rid of cable.

Maybe you missed the part where I said I don't give a care about gay marriage one way or another. What I worry about is the ability to so rapidly change the populations views on a subject. If the media and Hollywood can do that with gay marriage what may they decide is their next pet project? gun control, democracy vs socialism, hunting, self defense, taxation levels, granting citizenship to illegals what's next on the agenda? The sheep will follow whatever you put on the TV; the world is your oyster when you control the media, academia, and Hollywood.

Let me make it clear again I have zero issue with gay marriage. However I think it is unconstitutional to give any group preferential treatment before the law.

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« Reply #81 on: February 02, 2017, 07:42:02 AM »
This is one of the reasons why I choose to have a plan B of leaving. I would say that these views on gay marriage didn't evolve they were easily manipulated by media and Hollywood. All of a sudden out of no where on almost every show they started having quasi normal acting same sex couples and pretending like it was normal. On many shows the frequency of these couples made it appear as if 20-30% of couples were same sex.

In all honesty I don't care about gay marriage at all one way or another. I think gays should have the opportunity to be just as miserable as all us hetero married people. That being said how rapidly the media was able to shift the view of the entire nation from about 70% against to 70% for scared the crap out of me.

That shows how easy our society is to manipulate and sway from any of their view points. Because the media is dominated and controlled by the left they can at will push any wild agenda they want.

That is very scary to me.

If that were the case Trump wouldn't be President and you wouldn't have millions of folks still running around yelling "ahhh Benghazi" or "Lock her up!" It works both ways. Don't pretend the liberal media has mind control over everyone.

Nice made up stats too. More alternative facts?
http://www.pewforum.org/2016/05/12/changing-attitudes-on-gay-marriage/

If you want to blame someone (or credit them) I would suggest first looking at the church. Same sex marriage has become much more acceptable. And if you were trying to chastise liberal media perhaps picking something other than gay marriage (ie equality) would drive home the point. You just credited them with shifting people's attitudes to be more accepting of others. Equality, just some wild, crazy agenda I suppose. Oh the horror!

For the record, I hate the media. One of the reasons I got rid of cable.

Maybe you missed the part where I said I don't give a care about gay marriage one way or another. What I worry about is the ability to so rapidly change the populations views on a subject. If the media and Hollywood can do that with gay marriage what may they decide is their next pet project? gun control, democracy vs socialism, hunting, self defense, taxation levels, granting citizenship to illegals what's next on the agenda? The sheep will follow whatever you put on the TV; the world is your oyster when you control the media, academia, and Hollywood.

Let me make it clear again I have zero issue with gay marriage. However I think it is unconstitutional to give any group preferential treatment before the law.

who has preferential treatment before the law?

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« Reply #82 on: February 02, 2017, 07:51:30 AM »
This is one of the reasons why I choose to have a plan B of leaving. I would say that these views on gay marriage didn't evolve they were easily manipulated by media and Hollywood. All of a sudden out of no where on almost every show they started having quasi normal acting same sex couples and pretending like it was normal. On many shows the frequency of these couples made it appear as if 20-30% of couples were same sex.

In all honesty I don't care about gay marriage at all one way or another. I think gays should have the opportunity to be just as miserable as all us hetero married people. That being said how rapidly the media was able to shift the view of the entire nation from about 70% against to 70% for scared the crap out of me.

That shows how easy our society is to manipulate and sway from any of their view points. Because the media is dominated and controlled by the left they can at will push any wild agenda they want.

That is very scary to me.

If that were the case Trump wouldn't be President and you wouldn't have millions of folks still running around yelling "ahhh Benghazi" or "Lock her up!" It works both ways. Don't pretend the liberal media has mind control over everyone.

Nice made up stats too. More alternative facts?
http://www.pewforum.org/2016/05/12/changing-attitudes-on-gay-marriage/

If you want to blame someone (or credit them) I would suggest first looking at the church. Same sex marriage has become much more acceptable. And if you were trying to chastise liberal media perhaps picking something other than gay marriage (ie equality) would drive home the point. You just credited them with shifting people's attitudes to be more accepting of others. Equality, just some wild, crazy agenda I suppose. Oh the horror!

For the record, I hate the media. One of the reasons I got rid of cable.

Maybe you missed the part where I said I don't give a care about gay marriage one way or another. What I worry about is the ability to so rapidly change the populations views on a subject. If the media and Hollywood can do that with gay marriage what may they decide is their next pet project? gun control, democracy vs socialism, hunting, self defense, taxation levels, granting citizenship to illegals what's next on the agenda? The sheep will follow whatever you put on the TV; the world is your oyster when you control the media, academia, and Hollywood.

Let me make it clear again I have zero issue with gay marriage. However I think it is unconstitutional to give any group preferential treatment before the law.

I absolutely didn't miss that part. I focused on your fallacies and doing my best to correct them. And AGAIN is isn't just the liberal media changing people's minds. Again I present exhibit "A," Donald Trump. Heck I could point to the 13% increase between 2008 and 2013 of global warming denialism. Meanwhile the case for global warming get's stronger every year.

I'm right there with you chastising the media. But don't pretend it's one sided.

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« Reply #83 on: February 02, 2017, 07:53:24 AM »


http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mozilla-ceo-resignation-idUSBREA321Y320140403

He got fired in 2014 for a donation made in 2008?  That's insane if that's all he did (ie make a donation to a now unpopular cause).  I think most rationale people would agree that views on gay marriage have evolved massively over the last 5 to 10 years.

This is one of the reasons why I choose to have a plan B of leaving. I would say that these views on gay marriage didn't evolve they were easily manipulated by media and Hollywood. All of a sudden out of no where on almost every show they started having quasi normal acting same sex couples and pretending like it was normal. On many shows the frequency of these couples made it appear as if 20-30% of couples were same sex.

In all honesty I don't care about gay marriage at all one way or another. I think gays should have the opportunity to be just as miserable as all us hetero married people. That being said how rapidly the media was able to shift the view of the entire nation from about 70% against to 70% for scared the crap out of me.

That shows how easy our society is to manipulate and sway from any of their view points. Because the media is dominated and controlled by the left they can at will push any wild agenda they want.

That is very scary to me.

Gay couples are completely normal and have been around since the dawn of time. I, personally, am astounded that it has taken us so long to realize this.
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By normal I mean mathematically common, I am not making a positive or negative value judgment I am saying they are not the norm. Either are people who are seven foot tall; therefore I don't think we should mandate that all doorways be raised in height to eight feet. I don't think people over seven feet tall should be a protected class requiring special rules to protect their rights.

As an example because some states don't allow same sex marriage same sex couples are granted 10 days free leave to go get married in the Army. This is an entitlement not given to heterosexual couples. Again I am not into giving ANY group special treatment.

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« Reply #84 on: February 02, 2017, 07:57:18 AM »
Uh I'd argue that religious groups are 10 times more manipulative and destructive than "Hollywood." Maybe 20 times. Wait...100 times.

You may be correct.  I've never lived in a place where religious groups had any real influence outside of their little community.  I can see how if you live in a place, say in the south or in Utah, where religion is more of an integral part of the overall community how they could have undue influence, but in New England and here in Chicagoland they only have influence if you want to be in the congregation that they influence.

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« Reply #85 on: February 02, 2017, 07:58:04 AM »
This is one of the reasons why I choose to have a plan B of leaving. I would say that these views on gay marriage didn't evolve they were easily manipulated by media and Hollywood. All of a sudden out of no where on almost every show they started having quasi normal acting same sex couples and pretending like it was normal. On many shows the frequency of these couples made it appear as if 20-30% of couples were same sex.

In all honesty I don't care about gay marriage at all one way or another. I think gays should have the opportunity to be just as miserable as all us hetero married people. That being said how rapidly the media was able to shift the view of the entire nation from about 70% against to 70% for scared the crap out of me.

That shows how easy our society is to manipulate and sway from any of their view points. Because the media is dominated and controlled by the left they can at will push any wild agenda they want.

That is very scary to me.

If that were the case Trump wouldn't be President and you wouldn't have millions of folks still running around yelling "ahhh Benghazi" or "Lock her up!" It works both ways. Don't pretend the liberal media has mind control over everyone.

Nice made up stats too. More alternative facts?
http://www.pewforum.org/2016/05/12/changing-attitudes-on-gay-marriage/

If you want to blame someone (or credit them) I would suggest first looking at the church. Same sex marriage has become much more acceptable. And if you were trying to chastise liberal media perhaps picking something other than gay marriage (ie equality) would drive home the point. You just credited them with shifting people's attitudes to be more accepting of others. Equality, just some wild, crazy agenda I suppose. Oh the horror!

For the record, I hate the media. One of the reasons I got rid of cable.

Maybe you missed the part where I said I don't give a care about gay marriage one way or another. What I worry about is the ability to so rapidly change the populations views on a subject. If the media and Hollywood can do that with gay marriage what may they decide is their next pet project? gun control, democracy vs socialism, hunting, self defense, taxation levels, granting citizenship to illegals what's next on the agenda? The sheep will follow whatever you put on the TV; the world is your oyster when you control the media, academia, and Hollywood.

Let me make it clear again I have zero issue with gay marriage. However I think it is unconstitutional to give any group preferential treatment before the law.

Yes please, gun control!! And offering refuge and asylum in the true nature of a universal marketplace!! Dude you are full of awesome ideas!

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« Reply #86 on: February 02, 2017, 07:58:16 AM »
This is one of the reasons why I choose to have a plan B of leaving. I would say that these views on gay marriage didn't evolve they were easily manipulated by media and Hollywood. All of a sudden out of no where on almost every show they started having quasi normal acting same sex couples and pretending like it was normal. On many shows the frequency of these couples made it appear as if 20-30% of couples were same sex.

In all honesty I don't care about gay marriage at all one way or another. I think gays should have the opportunity to be just as miserable as all us hetero married people. That being said how rapidly the media was able to shift the view of the entire nation from about 70% against to 70% for scared the crap out of me.

That shows how easy our society is to manipulate and sway from any of their view points. Because the media is dominated and controlled by the left they can at will push any wild agenda they want.

That is very scary to me.

If that were the case Trump wouldn't be President and you wouldn't have millions of folks still running around yelling "ahhh Benghazi" or "Lock her up!" It works both ways. Don't pretend the liberal media has mind control over everyone.

Nice made up stats too. More alternative facts?
http://www.pewforum.org/2016/05/12/changing-attitudes-on-gay-marriage/

If you want to blame someone (or credit them) I would suggest first looking at the church. Same sex marriage has become much more acceptable. And if you were trying to chastise liberal media perhaps picking something other than gay marriage (ie equality) would drive home the point. You just credited them with shifting people's attitudes to be more accepting of others. Equality, just some wild, crazy agenda I suppose. Oh the horror!

For the record, I hate the media. One of the reasons I got rid of cable.

Maybe the attitudes changed on gay marriage because Gen X and Millennials, all of whom are accepting of gay marriage, are becoming more influential.  I didn't need Hollywood to change my mind, I just prefer not to have my friends and family discriminated against. 

And liberal media, I'm so tired of hearing about the liberal media. If it is so liberal, why aren't more people squawking Bayda like they did Bengazi?  This was on Reuters today and an American serviceman died because Trump wanted to be John Wayne.  Screw that. 

"U.S. military officials told Reuters that Trump approved his first covert counterterrorism operation without sufficient intelligence, ground support or adequate backup preparations.

As a result, three officials said, the attacking SEAL team found itself dropping onto a reinforced al Qaeda base defended by landmines, snipers, and a larger than expected contingent of heavily armed Islamist extremists."

Absolutely. That's a huge part of the attitude shift.

I read that story. Man sad to hear. Unfortunately I feel it's just the beginning of Trump sending people into harms way while blatantly ignoring intelligence. The guy left behind a wife and kids because of Trump's ego.

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« Reply #87 on: February 02, 2017, 08:02:39 AM »
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http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mozilla-ceo-resignation-idUSBREA321Y320140403

He got fired in 2014 for a donation made in 2008?  That's insane if that's all he did (ie make a donation to a now unpopular cause).  I think most rationale people would agree that views on gay marriage have evolved massively over the last 5 to 10 years.

This is one of the reasons why I choose to have a plan B of leaving. I would say that these views on gay marriage didn't evolve they were easily manipulated by media and Hollywood. All of a sudden out of no where on almost every show they started having quasi normal acting same sex couples and pretending like it was normal. On many shows the frequency of these couples made it appear as if 20-30% of couples were same sex.

In all honesty I don't care about gay marriage at all one way or another. I think gays should have the opportunity to be just as miserable as all us hetero married people. That being said how rapidly the media was able to shift the view of the entire nation from about 70% against to 70% for scared the crap out of me.

That shows how easy our society is to manipulate and sway from any of their view points. Because the media is dominated and controlled by the left they can at will push any wild agenda they want.

That is very scary to me.

Gay couples are completely normal and have been around since the dawn of time. I, personally, am astounded that it has taken us so long to realize this.

By normal I mean mathematically common, I am not making a positive or negative value judgment I am saying they are not the norm. Either are people who are seven foot tall; therefore I don't think we should mandate that all doorways be raised in height to eight feet. I don't think people over seven feet tall should be a protected class requiring special rules to protect their rights.

As an example because some states don't allow same sex marriage same sex couples are granted 10 days free leave to go get married in the Army. This is an entitlement not given to heterosexual couples. Again I am not into giving ANY group special treatment. accommodation.

FTFY - I mean wheelchair bound war vets aren't the norm either. 30" doors and staircases should be the norm everywhere too, right?

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« Reply #88 on: February 02, 2017, 08:05:53 AM »


http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mozilla-ceo-resignation-idUSBREA321Y320140403

He got fired in 2014 for a donation made in 2008?  That's insane if that's all he did (ie make a donation to a now unpopular cause).  I think most rationale people would agree that views on gay marriage have evolved massively over the last 5 to 10 years.

This is one of the reasons why I choose to have a plan B of leaving. I would say that these views on gay marriage didn't evolve they were easily manipulated by media and Hollywood. All of a sudden out of no where on almost every show they started having quasi normal acting same sex couples and pretending like it was normal. On many shows the frequency of these couples made it appear as if 20-30% of couples were same sex.

In all honesty I don't care about gay marriage at all one way or another. I think gays should have the opportunity to be just as miserable as all us hetero married people. That being said how rapidly the media was able to shift the view of the entire nation from about 70% against to 70% for scared the crap out of me.

That shows how easy our society is to manipulate and sway from any of their view points. Because the media is dominated and controlled by the left they can at will push any wild agenda they want.

That is very scary to me.

Gay couples are completely normal and have been around since the dawn of time. I, personally, am astounded that it has taken us so long to realize this.

By normal I mean mathematically common, I am not making a positive or negative value judgment I am saying they are not the norm. Either are people who are seven foot tall; therefore I don't think we should mandate that all doorways be raised in height to eight feet. I don't think people over seven feet tall should be a protected class requiring special rules to protect their rights.

As an example because some states don't allow same sex marriage same sex couples are granted 10 days free leave to go get married in the Army. This is an entitlement not given to heterosexual couples. Again I am not into giving ANY group special treatment.
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So it's special treatment to give same sex couples seeking marriage extra leave time to travel to a place where same sex marriage is in fact legal? That makes zero sense. Of course heterosexual couples don't qualify, because heterosexual marriage is legal in EVERY state. And it's 7 days if you are stationed in the states. 10 days for International.

Special treatment to get around the inequality that still exist. That's a funny one.
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Re: Election follow up poll
« Reply #89 on: February 02, 2017, 08:06:55 AM »
This is one of the reasons why I choose to have a plan B of leaving. I would say that these views on gay marriage didn't evolve they were easily manipulated by media and Hollywood. All of a sudden out of no where on almost every show they started having quasi normal acting same sex couples and pretending like it was normal. On many shows the frequency of these couples made it appear as if 20-30% of couples were same sex.

In all honesty I don't care about gay marriage at all one way or another. I think gays should have the opportunity to be just as miserable as all us hetero married people. That being said how rapidly the media was able to shift the view of the entire nation from about 70% against to 70% for scared the crap out of me.

That shows how easy our society is to manipulate and sway from any of their view points. Because the media is dominated and controlled by the left they can at will push any wild agenda they want.

That is very scary to me.

If that were the case Trump wouldn't be President and you wouldn't have millions of folks still running around yelling "ahhh Benghazi" or "Lock her up!" It works both ways. Don't pretend the liberal media has mind control over everyone.

Nice made up stats too. More alternative facts?
http://www.pewforum.org/2016/05/12/changing-attitudes-on-gay-marriage/

If you want to blame someone (or credit them) I would suggest first looking at the church. Same sex marriage has become much more acceptable. And if you were trying to chastise liberal media perhaps picking something other than gay marriage (ie equality) would drive home the point. You just credited them with shifting people's attitudes to be more accepting of others. Equality, just some wild, crazy agenda I suppose. Oh the horror!

For the record, I hate the media. One of the reasons I got rid of cable.

Maybe you missed the part where I said I don't give a care about gay marriage one way or another. What I worry about is the ability to so rapidly change the populations views on a subject. If the media and Hollywood can do that with gay marriage what may they decide is their next pet project? gun control, democracy vs socialism, hunting, self defense, taxation levels, granting citizenship to illegals what's next on the agenda? The sheep will follow whatever you put on the TV; the world is your oyster when you control the media, academia, and Hollywood.

Let me make it clear again I have zero issue with gay marriage. However I think it is unconstitutional to give any group preferential treatment before the law.

who has preferential treatment before the law?

Well to name a few: minorities, gays/lesbians, disabled, transgendered, and elderly. These classes are given preferential treatment before the law.



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Re: Election follow up poll
« Reply #90 on: February 02, 2017, 08:07:18 AM »
However I think it is unconstitutional to give any group preferential treatment before the law.
Do you mean heterosexual married couples and tax law?

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Re: Election follow up poll
« Reply #91 on: February 02, 2017, 08:07:55 AM »
This is one of the reasons why I choose to have a plan B of leaving. I would say that these views on gay marriage didn't evolve they were easily manipulated by media and Hollywood. All of a sudden out of no where on almost every show they started having quasi normal acting same sex couples and pretending like it was normal. On many shows the frequency of these couples made it appear as if 20-30% of couples were same sex.

In all honesty I don't care about gay marriage at all one way or another. I think gays should have the opportunity to be just as miserable as all us hetero married people. That being said how rapidly the media was able to shift the view of the entire nation from about 70% against to 70% for scared the crap out of me.

That shows how easy our society is to manipulate and sway from any of their view points. Because the media is dominated and controlled by the left they can at will push any wild agenda they want.

That is very scary to me.

If that were the case Trump wouldn't be President and you wouldn't have millions of folks still running around yelling "ahhh Benghazi" or "Lock her up!" It works both ways. Don't pretend the liberal media has mind control over everyone.

Nice made up stats too. More alternative facts?
http://www.pewforum.org/2016/05/12/changing-attitudes-on-gay-marriage/

If you want to blame someone (or credit them) I would suggest first looking at the church. Same sex marriage has become much more acceptable. And if you were trying to chastise liberal media perhaps picking something other than gay marriage (ie equality) would drive home the point. You just credited them with shifting people's attitudes to be more accepting of others. Equality, just some wild, crazy agenda I suppose. Oh the horror!

For the record, I hate the media. One of the reasons I got rid of cable.

Maybe you missed the part where I said I don't give a care about gay marriage one way or another. What I worry about is the ability to so rapidly change the populations views on a subject. If the media and Hollywood can do that with gay marriage what may they decide is their next pet project? gun control, democracy vs socialism, hunting, self defense, taxation levels, granting citizenship to illegals what's next on the agenda? The sheep will follow whatever you put on the TV; the world is your oyster when you control the media, academia, and Hollywood.

Let me make it clear again I have zero issue with gay marriage. However I think it is unconstitutional to give any group preferential treatment before the law.

Yes please, gun control!! And offering refuge and asylum in the true nature of a universal marketplace!! Dude you are full of awesome ideas!

You think the 2016 election was bad for Democrats, go ahead and double down on gun control and see how 2018 works out for you.

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« Reply #92 on: February 02, 2017, 08:09:18 AM »


http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mozilla-ceo-resignation-idUSBREA321Y320140403

He got fired in 2014 for a donation made in 2008?  That's insane if that's all he did (ie make a donation to a now unpopular cause).  I think most rationale people would agree that views on gay marriage have evolved massively over the last 5 to 10 years.

This is one of the reasons why I choose to have a plan B of leaving. I would say that these views on gay marriage didn't evolve they were easily manipulated by media and Hollywood. All of a sudden out of no where on almost every show they started having quasi normal acting same sex couples and pretending like it was normal. On many shows the frequency of these couples made it appear as if 20-30% of couples were same sex.

In all honesty I don't care about gay marriage at all one way or another. I think gays should have the opportunity to be just as miserable as all us hetero married people. That being said how rapidly the media was able to shift the view of the entire nation from about 70% against to 70% for scared the crap out of me.

That shows how easy our society is to manipulate and sway from any of their view points. Because the media is dominated and controlled by the left they can at will push any wild agenda they want.

That is very scary to me.

Gay couples are completely normal and have been around since the dawn of time. I, personally, am astounded that it has taken us so long to realize this.

By normal I mean mathematically common, I am not making a positive or negative value judgment I am saying they are not the norm. Either are people who are seven foot tall; therefore I don't think we should mandate that all doorways be raised in height to eight feet. I don't think people over seven feet tall should be a protected class requiring special rules to protect their rights.

As an example because some states don't allow same sex marriage same sex couples are granted 10 days free leave to go get married in the Army. This is an entitlement not given to heterosexual couples. Again I am not into giving ANY group special treatment.

Come on man. This is getting ridiculous. Same sex marriage is not legal in every state and certainly not legal in many countries. The "extra" leave is granted so couples can travel to where same sex marriage is legal. And it's 7 days within the continental US and 10 days if you are stationed Internationally.
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That is correct; there is a name when you give one group a right that others don't have. It is called preferential treatment and I am against it at all times

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« Reply #93 on: February 02, 2017, 08:11:35 AM »
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If the media and Hollywood can do that with gay marriage what may they decide is their next pet project? gun control, democracy vs socialism, hunting, self defense, taxation levels, granting citizenship to illegals what's next on the agenda?

I highly doubt that a Hollywood media blitz about the riveting issue of tax policy would find much traction. Or any of the topics you listed, frankly.

One large part of why you see so many LGBTQ characters on TV in the past 5-10 years is that 'gay drama' is extremely low hanging fruit for show writers who need to crank out scores of high drama material on short notice. Just have a character come out of the closet then, have another character 'reveal' themselves as a homophobe and BOOM!, milk the cycle of alienation and reconciliation for a few episodes.

Which is more likely? That the Hollywood-NWO combine is brainwashing the sheeple with a single minded campaign? Or that sleep deprived show writers are tripping over themselves to cash out a few quick scripts worth of topical drama? I suggest letting Occam's Razor guide you.

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« Reply #94 on: February 02, 2017, 08:12:54 AM »
Well to name a few: minorities, gays/lesbians, disabled, transgendered, and elderly. These classes are given preferential treatment before the law.

Wow. I just can't even find a reply. Why do people choose to live wrapped in so much ire. This reads like an angry burrito. I suggest you make that your forum name going forward. "Angry Burrito" has a nice ring to it.

God Bless America. You guys need it.

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« Reply #95 on: February 02, 2017, 08:14:07 AM »
This is one of the reasons why I choose to have a plan B of leaving. I would say that these views on gay marriage didn't evolve they were easily manipulated by media and Hollywood. All of a sudden out of no where on almost every show they started having quasi normal acting same sex couples and pretending like it was normal. On many shows the frequency of these couples made it appear as if 20-30% of couples were same sex.

In all honesty I don't care about gay marriage at all one way or another. I think gays should have the opportunity to be just as miserable as all us hetero married people. That being said how rapidly the media was able to shift the view of the entire nation from about 70% against to 70% for scared the crap out of me.

That shows how easy our society is to manipulate and sway from any of their view points. Because the media is dominated and controlled by the left they can at will push any wild agenda they want.

That is very scary to me.

If that were the case Trump wouldn't be President and you wouldn't have millions of folks still running around yelling "ahhh Benghazi" or "Lock her up!" It works both ways. Don't pretend the liberal media has mind control over everyone.

Nice made up stats too. More alternative facts?
http://www.pewforum.org/2016/05/12/changing-attitudes-on-gay-marriage/

If you want to blame someone (or credit them) I would suggest first looking at the church. Same sex marriage has become much more acceptable. And if you were trying to chastise liberal media perhaps picking something other than gay marriage (ie equality) would drive home the point. You just credited them with shifting people's attitudes to be more accepting of others. Equality, just some wild, crazy agenda I suppose. Oh the horror!

For the record, I hate the media. One of the reasons I got rid of cable.

Maybe you missed the part where I said I don't give a care about gay marriage one way or another. What I worry about is the ability to so rapidly change the populations views on a subject. If the media and Hollywood can do that with gay marriage what may they decide is their next pet project? gun control, democracy vs socialism, hunting, self defense, taxation levels, granting citizenship to illegals what's next on the agenda? The sheep will follow whatever you put on the TV; the world is your oyster when you control the media, academia, and Hollywood.

Let me make it clear again I have zero issue with gay marriage. However I think it is unconstitutional to give any group preferential treatment before the law.

Yes please, gun control!! And offering refuge and asylum in the true nature of a universal marketplace!! Dude you are full of awesome ideas!

You think the 2016 election was bad for Democrats, go ahead and double down on gun control and see how 2018 works out for you.

Election worked out great for me. I'm super happy with Trudeau.

(Hint: When someone has a beaver wrapped in a maple leaf for their avatar, there's a good chance they didn't vote in your election)
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« Reply #96 on: February 02, 2017, 08:14:16 AM »


http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mozilla-ceo-resignation-idUSBREA321Y320140403

He got fired in 2014 for a donation made in 2008?  That's insane if that's all he did (ie make a donation to a now unpopular cause).  I think most rationale people would agree that views on gay marriage have evolved massively over the last 5 to 10 years.

This is one of the reasons why I choose to have a plan B of leaving. I would say that these views on gay marriage didn't evolve they were easily manipulated by media and Hollywood. All of a sudden out of no where on almost every show they started having quasi normal acting same sex couples and pretending like it was normal. On many shows the frequency of these couples made it appear as if 20-30% of couples were same sex.

In all honesty I don't care about gay marriage at all one way or another. I think gays should have the opportunity to be just as miserable as all us hetero married people. That being said how rapidly the media was able to shift the view of the entire nation from about 70% against to 70% for scared the crap out of me.

That shows how easy our society is to manipulate and sway from any of their view points. Because the media is dominated and controlled by the left they can at will push any wild agenda they want.

That is very scary to me.

Gay couples are completely normal and have been around since the dawn of time. I, personally, am astounded that it has taken us so long to realize this.

By normal I mean mathematically common, I am not making a positive or negative value judgment I am saying they are not the norm. Either are people who are seven foot tall; therefore I don't think we should mandate that all doorways be raised in height to eight feet. I don't think people over seven feet tall should be a protected class requiring special rules to protect their rights.

As an example because some states don't allow same sex marriage same sex couples are granted 10 days free leave to go get married in the Army. This is an entitlement not given to heterosexual couples. Again I am not into giving ANY group special treatment.

Come on man. This is getting ridiculous. Same sex marriage is not legal in every state and certainly not legal in many countries. The "extra" leave is granted so couples can travel to where same sex marriage is legal. And it's 7 days within the continental US and 10 days if you are stationed Internationally.

That is correct; there is a name when you give one group a right that others don't have. It is called preferential treatment and I am against it at all times
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Yep me too. Which is why gay marriage bans still in place in some states is utterly ridiculous. And same sex couples having to travel to get married proves preferential treatment for hetero couples still exist. Of course if they refused them extra time to travel it just reinforces the preference towards heterosexual couples.

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« Reply #97 on: February 02, 2017, 08:14:50 AM »
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If the media and Hollywood can do that with gay marriage what may they decide is their next pet project? gun control, democracy vs socialism, hunting, self defense, taxation levels, granting citizenship to illegals what's next on the agenda?

I highly doubt that a Hollywood media blitz about the riveting issue of tax policy would find much traction. Or any of the topics you listed, frankly.

One large part of why you see so many LGBTQ characters on TV in the past 5-10 years is that 'gay drama' is extremely low hanging fruit for show writers who need to crank out scores of high drama material on short notice. Just have a character come out of the closet then, have another character 'reveal' themselves as a homophobe and BOOM!, milk the cycle of alienation and reconciliation for a few episodes.

Which is more likely? That the Hollywood-NWO combine is brainwashing the sheeple with a single minded campaign? Or that sleep deprived show writers are tripping over themselves to cash out a few quick scripts worth of topical drama? I suggest letting Occam's Razor guide you.

I don't think anyone means Hollywood (and other liberal elites) pushing gay marriage via normalization on shows, they mean pushing it via public campaigns, boycotts, etc. 

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« Reply #98 on: February 02, 2017, 08:19:01 AM »
Guyssssssss. This has to be psyops. No one person can actually be that bad a quotes. He's trying to get into the part of your brain that needs order, and skullfuck you. Resist!

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« Reply #99 on: February 02, 2017, 08:19:30 AM »
However I think it is unconstitutional to give any group preferential treatment before the law.
Do you mean heterosexual married couples and tax law?

Yes all married couples get preferential treatment for tax purposes. Also people who choose to over populate the planet by creating countless progeny which they expect others to support.

Both are wrong.