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Re: Dave Ramsey is an anti-masker
« Reply #50 on: January 19, 2021, 10:52:13 AM »

Definition of canceling: "withdrawing support for (canceling) public figures and companies after they have done or said something considered objectionable or offensive."


I take issue with this rather biased definition. Choosing not to promote or even actively boycotting a business is not 'cancelling' - it's how the free market works. If a person or company says or does reprehensible things, we **should** stop supporting them. No one here has the ability to unilaterally cancel DR (unless there is someone here who is in upper management for one of the hundreds of radio stations he is currently on).

In this instance DR is putting others' lives at risk, and that to me is reprehensible for a person who is heard by millions weekly.

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Re: Dave Ramsey is an anti-masker
« Reply #51 on: January 19, 2021, 11:46:04 AM »
Okay, but by that logic, what about the comments that Mr. Money Mustache himself made about covid over the summer?

Direct quote from MMM's twitter on July 7th... bold emphasis mine..
 
"Statistically speaking, these three Circles of Life have a MUCH bigger positive impact on your health and longevity, than whether you happen to catch or dodge COVID.

So why are we wasting our time arguing about who is wearing masks?

Bikes, Barbells and Salads."


Pete's comments aren't entirely anti-mask but it certainly isn't pro-mask either... He was criticized pretty clearly by the same type of folks that would also criticize Dave Ramsey for his comments/actions. Why aren't you also blasting MMM and denouncing all of his ideas about personal finance and telling all of our friends and families they shouldn't listen to anything he says? Why are you still on the forums of such a reckless mask-questioning non-helmet wearing health insurance-less lunatic? (I admit I'm being dramatic here).

Do I agree with Pete about bikes barbells and salads? Yes. Do I agree with his flippant attitude towards mask wearing? No. Do I agree with the vast majority of Pete's philosophies on his blog? Clearly, it has changed my life for the better but that doesn't mean I agree with everything or that I NEED to agree with everything he says in order to respect him and see that he has ideas that are useful.

Pete is not perfect, Dave is not perfect. I am not perfect, no one is perfect. Perhaps Dave could realize that he is wrong about mask wearing and change his tune in time. Probably not, but I promise he's not going to pay any attention to people bitching about him on the internet, calling his company telling him how irresponsible he is and vowing to never buy his products or recommend them to anyone ever again.
There is a difference between saying something dumb or controversial about what you feel, versus setting up a work environment that could harm someone. He is forces everyone to work in the office and not wear a mask at the event. If caterers aren't allowed to wear masks, you think your career wouldn't be limited if you didn't attend or showed up in a mask?

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Re: Dave Ramsey is an anti-masker
« Reply #52 on: January 19, 2021, 12:19:34 PM »
We had a whole thread on this forum blasting MMM for those tweets.

Dave Ramsey's advice, particularly beyond baby step 3, is low quality and self-serving compared to MMM's. Still better than the normal approach to finances in this country, but not good.

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Re: Dave Ramsey is an anti-masker
« Reply #53 on: January 19, 2021, 04:28:48 PM »
There's a followup story. Looks like Ramsey is an even bigger asshole than I thought:

https://religionnews.com/2021/01/15/dave-ramsey-is-tired-of-being-called-a-jerk-for-his-stands-on-sex-and-covid/

It sounds like he wants to be the leader of a cult, not the owner of a business. He claims the right to police what employees and their families do in their private lives, including firing them for having premarital sex!

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Ramsey’s intolerance for dissent has created what former employees call a cultlike environment, where leaders proclaim their love for staff and then fire people at a moment’s notice.

Ramsey Solutions, former employees and their spouses say, is run more like a church than a business. A review of court documents, company emails and recordings of staff meetings backs up these sources’ claims that company leaders attempt to exert control over employees’ personal lives.

From the beginning, he mocked people who take COVID-19 seriously. 400,000 deaths later, he hasn't changed his attitude at all:

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His March 2, 2020 radio show began with a long rant against the news media, who, he said, were overstating the threat.

“You would think that the black plague was coming through the U.S., listening to people whine,” he told his audience. “You guys have lost your mind out there.”

He went on to say that the virus only affected the weak and infirm and that everyone else should get on with business as usual. He vowed to keep the company’s live events rolling, warning there would be no refunds.

“We have people calling in, they are wanting to cancel stuff for a live event in May — let me tell you how much of your money I am going to give you back if you don’t come for the coronavirus in May,” he said. “ZERO. I am keeping your money. You are a wuss.”

Ramsey fired one employee because his wife - not the employee, but the wife of the employee - complained on social media that she had asthma, and Ramsey's forcing her husband to come into the office put her at risk. According to the story, he also threatened to fire anyone who makes a complaint to OSHA about unsafe conditions in their maskless, non-socially-distanced workplace.

And then there's this major WTF moment. When one of Ramsey's radio hosts, Chris Hogan, had an affair, he demanded that the couple get counseling but waive confidentiality so their therapist could report in to company management on how it was going:

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...after a meeting that included the Hogans, leaders from their church and other members of the company’s board, the company set up a “restoration plan” for the couple’s marriage that would allow the book tour to go forward. After the tour, Chris would take time off to work on the couple’s marriage.

Melissa Hogan said she agreed with the plan at first but then became concerned at the level of control that Ramsey’s leadership wanted.

“In essence, as part of that process, we were to waive confidentiality with our therapists in order for them to report to Ramsey Solutions’ leaders,” she said in her email. “I now recognize that to be unhealthy, controlling, spiritually manipulative, and deeply wounding.”

From the story, it sounds like Ramsey has a control-freak attitude toward his employees' personal lives and a creepy obsession with who's having sex with who. Getting people out of debt is one thing, but this is something else.

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Re: Dave Ramsey is an anti-masker
« Reply #54 on: January 19, 2021, 04:40:59 PM »
It doesn’t take long to realize that Ramsey preaches a particular variety of evangelical Christianity that is part and parcel to his entire enterprise.

It also does not take long to realize that Pete (aka MMM) peaches sustainability and environmentalism, and that is the “secret reason” behind creating his blog and this forum.

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Re: Dave Ramsey is an anti-masker
« Reply #55 on: January 19, 2021, 05:41:00 PM »

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Re: Dave Ramsey is an anti-masker
« Reply #56 on: January 19, 2021, 05:49:06 PM »

Definition of canceling: "withdrawing support for (canceling) public figures and companies after they have done or said something considered objectionable or offensive."


I take issue with this rather biased definition. Choosing not to promote or even actively boycotting a business is not 'cancelling' - it's how the free market works. If a person or company says or does reprehensible things, we **should** stop supporting them. No one here has the ability to unilaterally cancel DR (unless there is someone here who is in upper management for one of the hundreds of radio stations he is currently on).

In this instance DR is putting others' lives at risk, and that to me is reprehensible for a person who is heard by millions weekly.
Exactly. This is simply consequences for your own actions.

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Re: Dave Ramsey is an anti-masker
« Reply #59 on: January 19, 2021, 07:42:20 PM »
Well that article was hot off the presses! Could this be the beginning of the end? Had a Stepford quality to it.

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Re: Dave Ramsey is an anti-masker
« Reply #60 on: January 20, 2021, 07:09:32 AM »
There's a followup story. Looks like Ramsey is an even bigger asshole than I thought:

https://religionnews.com/2021/01/15/dave-ramsey-is-tired-of-being-called-a-jerk-for-his-stands-on-sex-and-covid/

Wow. I think we all knew that DR has an ego problem, but hypocrisy to that extent is just insane.

I've always recommended DR to people who struggle with debt, but I'm not sure that I can do that anymore. What a crazy story.

I have a friend that works there. He's definitely drinking the kool-aid, based on his Facebook posts, but maybe I'll ask him about this next time we see each other.

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Re: Dave Ramsey is an anti-masker
« Reply #61 on: January 20, 2021, 07:10:51 AM »
There's a followup story. Looks like Ramsey is an even bigger asshole than I thought:

https://religionnews.com/2021/01/15/dave-ramsey-is-tired-of-being-called-a-jerk-for-his-stands-on-sex-and-covid/

Wow. I think we all knew that DR has an ego problem, but hypocrisy to that extent is just insane.

I've always recommended DR to people who struggle with debt, but I'm not sure that I can do that anymore. What a crazy story.

I have a friend that works there. He's definitely drinking the kool-aid, based on his Facebook posts, but maybe I'll ask him about this next time we see each other.

I go with Clark Howard as a recommendation. All the good advice, none of the insanity.

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Re: Dave Ramsey is an anti-masker
« Reply #62 on: January 20, 2021, 07:24:40 AM »
There's a followup story. Looks like Ramsey is an even bigger asshole than I thought:

https://religionnews.com/2021/01/15/dave-ramsey-is-tired-of-being-called-a-jerk-for-his-stands-on-sex-and-covid/

Wow. I think we all knew that DR has an ego problem, but hypocrisy to that extent is just insane.

I've always recommended DR to people who struggle with debt, but I'm not sure that I can do that anymore. What a crazy story.

I have a friend that works there. He's definitely drinking the kool-aid, based on his Facebook posts, but maybe I'll ask him about this next time we see each other.

I go with Clark Howard as a recommendation. All the good advice, none of the insanity.

I really like Clark Howard as a person. I don't love his show. I think he spends too much time focusing on deals, which just makes me want to go buy things I never would have considered, and I think he's just too nice on his show.

The same concepts that drew me to MMM are what made me initially like DR - the "face punches," which I think most people need. Clark is far too kind to ever face punch someone's decisions.

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Re: Dave Ramsey is an anti-masker
« Reply #63 on: January 20, 2021, 07:32:34 AM »
The deals on the CH show are not that valuable to me either. Other people here have described the DR schtick well. He is entry-level financial advice. Maybe middle-school compared to an advanced degree taught by you good people. 

Once a person gets their house in order, I think the DR advice is of minimal value. Maybe damaging when it comes to advanced topics. However his basic schitick is exactly what some people need to hear.  I have family and friends who can't even manage to accomplish the basic message.

Maybe CH can outlast DR's "empire" and become a bigger presence.

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Re: Dave Ramsey is an anti-masker
« Reply #64 on: January 20, 2021, 07:35:51 AM »
There's a followup story. Looks like Ramsey is an even bigger asshole than I thought:

https://religionnews.com/2021/01/15/dave-ramsey-is-tired-of-being-called-a-jerk-for-his-stands-on-sex-and-covid/

Wow. I think we all knew that DR has an ego problem, but hypocrisy to that extent is just insane.

I've always recommended DR to people who struggle with debt, but I'm not sure that I can do that anymore. What a crazy story.

I have a friend that works there. He's definitely drinking the kool-aid, based on his Facebook posts, but maybe I'll ask him about this next time we see each other.

I go with Clark Howard as a recommendation. All the good advice, none of the insanity.

I really like Clark Howard as a person. I don't love his show. I think he spends too much time focusing on deals, which just makes me want to go buy things I never would have considered, and I think he's just too nice on his show.

The same concepts that drew me to MMM are what made me initially like DR - the "face punches," which I think most people need. Clark is far too kind to ever face punch someone's decisions.

Right, but since most of the time when I am making recommendations it is to people who are spendypants, they are gonna spend anyways (if they were natural savers or interested, then they wouldn't be asking me for advice).

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Re: Dave Ramsey is an anti-masker
« Reply #65 on: January 20, 2021, 07:37:16 AM »
The deals on the CH show are not that valuable to me either. Other people here have described the DR schtick well. He is entry-level financial advice. Maybe middle-school compared to an advanced degree taught by you good people. 

Once a person gets their house in order, I think the DR advice is of minimal value. Maybe damaging when it comes to advanced topics. However his basic schitick is exactly what some people need to hear.  I have family and friends who can't even manage to accomplish the basic message.

Maybe CH can outlast DR's "empire" and become a bigger presence.

Yes, I was addressing DJ's reluctance to recommend him in the future. No one on this board needs to listen to the any of the major voices in personal finance anymore as they should have the basics down.

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Re: Dave Ramsey is an anti-masker
« Reply #66 on: January 20, 2021, 07:52:28 AM »

Yes, I was addressing DJ's reluctance to recommend him in the future. No one on this board needs to listen to the any of the major voices in personal finance anymore as they should have the basics down.

Agreed. 
"The Basics":
Spend less than you earn, invest the difference.

Want more?  Follow the Investment Order.

On its face, personal finance is dirt simple.

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Re: Dave Ramsey is an anti-masker
« Reply #67 on: January 20, 2021, 08:12:45 AM »
Yeah but once upon a time even being debt free for any length of time seemed impossible to me. And it was difficult b/c our income was so low. And the debt compound interest helped keep us poor. Eventually with bits of education gleamed from all over I (correction: DW and I) realized that compound interest could work in our favor rather than against us and we made different choices...

Looking back we apparently had to make all the mistakes before we started on the path to basic wisdom.
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Re: Dave Ramsey is an anti-masker
« Reply #68 on: January 20, 2021, 09:25:17 AM »
BTW, Chris Hogan's ex-wife explains her thoughts on Ramsey Solutions here.

There's nothing new that isn't in the article linked previously, but it is still a good read.

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Re: Dave Ramsey is an anti-masker
« Reply #69 on: January 20, 2021, 03:06:33 PM »

Yes, I was addressing DJ's reluctance to recommend him in the future. No one on this board needs to listen to the any of the major voices in personal finance anymore as they should have the basics down.

Agreed. 
"The Basics":
Spend less than you earn, invest the difference.

Want more?  Follow the Investment Order.

On its face, personal finance is dirt simple.

Scott Adams (Dilbert creator) set out to write a personal finance book.  Once he got started he realized he could fit everything on one page. 

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Re: Dave Ramsey is an anti-masker
« Reply #70 on: January 20, 2021, 03:28:20 PM »

Yes, I was addressing DJ's reluctance to recommend him in the future. No one on this board needs to listen to the any of the major voices in personal finance anymore as they should have the basics down.

Agreed. 
"The Basics":
Spend less than you earn, invest the difference.

Want more?  Follow the Investment Order.

On its face, personal finance is dirt simple.

Scott Adams (Dilbert creator) set out to write a personal finance book.  Once he got started he realized he could fit everything on one page.

I think here they have an advance copy of the book:

https://youtu.be/R3ZJKN_5M44

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Re: Dave Ramsey is an anti-masker
« Reply #71 on: January 20, 2021, 03:47:20 PM »

Yes, I was addressing DJ's reluctance to recommend him in the future. No one on this board needs to listen to the any of the major voices in personal finance anymore as they should have the basics down.

Agreed. 
"The Basics":
Spend less than you earn, invest the difference.

Want more?  Follow the Investment Order.

On its face, personal finance is dirt simple.

Scott Adams (Dilbert creator) set out to write a personal finance book.  Once he got started he realized he could fit everything on one page.

Didn’t JL Collins basically write out his whole financial plan on an index card?

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Re: Dave Ramsey is an anti-masker
« Reply #72 on: January 20, 2021, 05:07:48 PM »
I read the article posted upthread. I'm pretty disappointed. I've been disillusioned with Ramsey for years but damn his show is entertaining. Roasting people who call in with terrible financial mistakes never gets old for me. I hate that I might have to stop listening...my husband has always loathed Ramsey but I kept listening for the entertainment of the face punches (Clark Howard is definitely not as good, as mentioned earlier).

But all this is pretty damning. I've been listening to This American Life on my walks lately because it's too cringe-y to listen to Ramsey anymore. I've never been able to stand Chris Hogan but I didn't know anything about the whole affairs/divorce thing. Yikes. The double standard with the fired pregnant team member but the continuously employed Hogan...that's really troubling.

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Re: Dave Ramsey is an anti-masker
« Reply #73 on: January 20, 2021, 06:19:33 PM »


I really like Clark Howard as a person. I don't love his show.

Agreed. Clark has some good episodes, but just as Dave's show can be summarized as "sell your car" Clark's could be "freeze your credit."

I do like the CLARK STINKS portions because while most of it is pretty froo-froo, he'll post heavy criticism if it comes in and doesn't get all knotted up about it.

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« Reply #74 on: January 20, 2021, 06:31:06 PM »
I read the article posted upthread. I'm pretty disappointed. I've been disillusioned with Ramsey for years but damn his show is entertaining. Roasting people who call in with terrible financial mistakes never gets old for me. I hate that I might have to stop listening...my husband has always loathed Ramsey but I kept listening for the entertainment of the face punches (Clark Howard is definitely not as good, as mentioned earlier).

But all this is pretty damning. I've been listening to This American Life on my walks lately because it's too cringe-y to listen to Ramsey anymore. I've never been able to stand Chris Hogan but I didn't know anything about the whole affairs/divorce thing. Yikes. The double standard with the fired pregnant team member but the continuously employed Hogan...that's really troubling.

Thanks for the reminder of This American Life.

If you like true, Matthew Cox has some very good ones of guys he was in prison with.

Here's some links:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKfDeKZqbVk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Eym56I-2sg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3TCmuoLbRQ

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Re: Dave Ramsey is an anti-masker
« Reply #75 on: January 20, 2021, 06:40:16 PM »
My major issue with DR is that almost all of the books are mediocre or absolutely terrible.

The only 2 I could reco to anyone are Total Money Makeover and Smart Money, Smart Kids. The book series for kids is fine because all family-friendly stuff like that is generally low quality.

But Start, by Jon Acuff was truly terrible. Hogan's 2 books are not very good, and the recent one about American millionaires was just the same crap over and over. "You can be a millionaire. People don't think they can, but they can. You really can." It was marketed as being more robust than Thomas Stanley's books, but it wasn't close by a long shot.

I was reading it with my 9 and 11 year olds, and they suffered as long as they could because I'll pay them to read a non-fiction book with me, but they finally said it wasn't worth whatever I was going to pay them to finish.

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Re: Dave Ramsey is an anti-masker
« Reply #76 on: January 20, 2021, 07:09:37 PM »
I read the article posted upthread. I'm pretty disappointed. I've been disillusioned with Ramsey for years but damn his show is entertaining. Roasting people who call in with terrible financial mistakes never gets old for me. I hate that I might have to stop listening...my husband has always loathed Ramsey but I kept listening for the entertainment of the face punches (Clark Howard is definitely not as good, as mentioned earlier).

But all this is pretty damning. I've been listening to This American Life on my walks lately because it's too cringe-y to listen to Ramsey anymore. I've never been able to stand Chris Hogan but I didn't know anything about the whole affairs/divorce thing. Yikes. The double standard with the fired pregnant team member but the continuously employed Hogan...that's really troubling.

NOt to sound harsh, but isn’t this part of the problem?  It’s entertaining to listen to a host berate his guests for character flaws.  I admit I used to listen to his show in the past on occasion, which means I found entertainment in it as well.  But some of his favorite words included “idiot” and “moron”. 
While he cast himself as a sort of savior, bring fiscal (and spiritual) salvation to those in need, laced among his comments was a whole lot of righteous judgement and superiority.

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Re: Dave Ramsey is an anti-masker
« Reply #77 on: January 20, 2021, 07:29:57 PM »
I do find his show entertaining, but mostly for the debt free screams.  If he had one show a week dedicated to that, then I'd would still listen to that.  However, because of his Covid behavior, I have deleted his podcast and unsubscribed to his YouTube channel.  Bye bye Dave...

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« Reply #78 on: January 26, 2021, 12:28:59 PM »
i know people who started with Dave Ramsey, got their shit in order, but got tired of the sales pitches and holier-than-thou and Jesus stuff, and stopped following. But they got good resources out of it like books, and index investing, and how to spot a scam.

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Re: Dave Ramsey is an anti-masker
« Reply #79 on: January 26, 2021, 01:01:37 PM »
i know people who started with Dave Ramsey, got their shit in order, but got tired of the sales pitches and holier-than-thou and Jesus stuff, and stopped following. But they got good resources out of it like books, and index investing, and how to spot a scam.
I got out before 'index investing' was any part of the curriculum - one of the scam's Dave Ramsey was running then is the whole ELP program. That guy with the 'heart of a teacher' sure as hell didn't mention index funds.

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Re: Dave Ramsey is an anti-masker
« Reply #80 on: January 26, 2021, 01:22:35 PM »
BTW, Chris Hogan's ex-wife explains her thoughts on Ramsey Solutions here.

There's nothing new that isn't in the article linked previously, but it is still a good read.
The misogyny in Christianity just makes my skin scrawl.

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Re: Dave Ramsey is an anti-masker
« Reply #81 on: January 26, 2021, 01:54:58 PM »
BTW, Chris Hogan's ex-wife explains her thoughts on Ramsey Solutions here.

There's nothing new that isn't in the article linked previously, but it is still a good read.
The misogyny in Christianity just makes my skin scrawl.

A lot of controlling people use religion as their justification. It's gross.

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Re: Dave Ramsey is an anti-masker
« Reply #82 on: January 26, 2021, 06:38:47 PM »
BTW, Chris Hogan's ex-wife explains her thoughts on Ramsey Solutions here.

There's nothing new that isn't in the article linked previously, but it is still a good read.
The misogyny in Christianity just makes my skin scrawl.

A lot of controlling people use religion as their justification. It's gross.

I just started listening to a podcast today call "Oh No Ross and Carrie" where the hosts act as amatuer anthropologists of sorts and engage with all sorts of weird, fringe groups. I am listening one today where Carrie attended a virtual conference by the authors of "Girl Defined", who are nutter butter Christian Fundamentalists. It is both entertaining and horrifying.

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Re: Dave Ramsey is an anti-masker
« Reply #83 on: January 26, 2021, 09:49:54 PM »
BTW, Chris Hogan's ex-wife explains her thoughts on Ramsey Solutions here.

There's nothing new that isn't in the article linked previously, but it is still a good read.
The misogyny in Christianity just makes my skin scrawl.

A lot of controlling people use religion as their justification. It's gross.

It's so gross. Adulterer (and that's his business anyway) Chris Hogan gets to keep his job, but his ex-wife is branded a crazy woman and is shunned by the organization. Yey the unmarried female employee who applies for maternity benefits loses her job for not adhering to the 'moral code' of Ramsey Solutions.

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Re: Dave Ramsey is an anti-masker
« Reply #84 on: January 27, 2021, 06:25:43 AM »
BTW, Chris Hogan's ex-wife explains her thoughts on Ramsey Solutions here.

There's nothing new that isn't in the article linked previously, but it is still a good read.
The misogyny in Christianity just makes my skin scrawl.

A lot of controlling people use religion as their justification. It's gross.

It's so gross. Adulterer (and that's his business anyway) Chris Hogan gets to keep his job, but his ex-wife is branded a crazy woman and is shunned by the organization. Yey the unmarried female employee who applies for maternity benefits loses her job for not adhering to the 'moral code' of Ramsey Solutions.

It is amusing/disgusting how selective these groups of people tend to be about which rules apply to which people.

As if they are utterly blind to their own raging hypocrisy. Which, well, they are. But that's what happens when narcissists run organizations, which is unfortunately quite common.

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Re: Dave Ramsey is an anti-masker
« Reply #85 on: January 27, 2021, 06:53:10 AM »

It is amusing/disgusting how selective these groups of people tend to be about which rules apply to which people.

As if they are utterly blind to their own raging hypocrisy. Which, well, they are. But that's what happens when narcissists run organizations, which is unfortunately quite common.

Broadly speaking, us humans are exceptionally bad at evaluating our own character and actions, even while we pass judgement on others. 
It's one of the driving reasons why independent review boards are such a good idea in any organization.

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Re: Dave Ramsey is an anti-masker
« Reply #86 on: January 27, 2021, 08:18:24 AM »
BTW, Chris Hogan's ex-wife explains her thoughts on Ramsey Solutions here.

There's nothing new that isn't in the article linked previously, but it is still a good read.
The misogyny in Christianity just makes my skin scrawl.

A lot of controlling people use religion as their justification. It's gross.

It's so gross. Adulterer (and that's his business anyway) Chris Hogan gets to keep his job, but his ex-wife is branded a crazy woman and is shunned by the organization. Yey the unmarried female employee who applies for maternity benefits loses her job for not adhering to the 'moral code' of Ramsey Solutions.

To paraphrase the end of a British crime show I saw many years ago:

[scene: detective talking to lady who killed the young woman who found out about billionaire sex orgies, so had to die]

"Rich, powerful men need sex."

Perhaps Ramsey saw this show, too, and that's what he meant when he told his team that it wasn't all one-way - there's 2 sides to the story. On 1 side, Chris Hogan had sex with his wife's relative, then a co-worker, then women he met while traveling. On the other side was his wife.

I'd add a graphic, but feel like Hogan made it graphic enough.

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Re: Dave Ramsey is an anti-masker
« Reply #87 on: January 27, 2021, 11:51:28 AM »
Wow...so happy I saw this tread and read those articles. Guess I've been blind to Ramsey since I stopped listening a couple years ago. Looks like I won't be recommending him to friends who aren't quite ready for MMM yet. What horrible behavior for a man who preaches what he does. I'm disgusted.

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Re: Dave Ramsey is an anti-masker
« Reply #88 on: January 28, 2021, 09:05:53 AM »
Are there alternative podcasts (I tried Clark Howard and couldn't get into it) that focus on budgeting, living below your means, looking to a better future type stuff?  I enjoy the positive reinforcement that I get from listening to 1 hour/week of his show.  (Though I've thought Dave sucks for a while, and have previously read terrible articles about him.)

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Re: Dave Ramsey is an anti-masker
« Reply #89 on: January 28, 2021, 09:14:58 AM »
Are there alternative podcasts (I tried Clark Howard and couldn't get into it) that focus on budgeting, living below your means, looking to a better future type stuff?  I enjoy the positive reinforcement that I get from listening to 1 hour/week of his show.  (Though I've thought Dave sucks for a while, and have previously read terrible articles about him.)
Two I occasionally listen to:

Mad FIentist
https://www.madfientist.com/

Paula Pant's 'Afford Anything'
https://affordanything.com/


Pete (MMM) has flirted with his own podcast/youtube, but updates it about as much as he does his blog (which is to say, not often at all)

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Re: Dave Ramsey is an anti-masker
« Reply #90 on: January 28, 2021, 09:17:12 AM »
Are there alternative podcasts (I tried Clark Howard and couldn't get into it) that focus on budgeting, living below your means, looking to a better future type stuff?  I enjoy the positive reinforcement that I get from listening to 1 hour/week of his show.  (Though I've thought Dave sucks for a while, and have previously read terrible articles about him.)
Two I occasionally listen to:

Mad FIentist
https://www.madfientist.com/

Paula Pant's 'Afford Anything'
https://affordanything.com/


Pete (MMM) has flirted with his own podcast/youtube, but updates it about as much as he does his blog (which is to say, not often at all)

This one is really good too.  They do a good job on FIRE without any political/religious crap getting thrown in.

https://www.choosefi.com/

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Re: Dave Ramsey is an anti-masker
« Reply #91 on: January 28, 2021, 09:55:49 AM »
Are there alternative podcasts (I tried Clark Howard and couldn't get into it) that focus on budgeting, living below your means, looking to a better future type stuff?  I enjoy the positive reinforcement that I get from listening to 1 hour/week of his show.  (Though I've thought Dave sucks for a while, and have previously read terrible articles about him.)

I found myself not feeling like I was getting anything out of it (same with Clark), but listened a bit longer. Then I did the same with Joe Rogan, Choose FI, and the Mad Fientist.

It's natural to get the bulk of what you can, carry it forward, and move on.

Maybe as a palate cleanser you need to just listen to some comedy.

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« Reply #92 on: January 28, 2021, 10:15:11 AM »

Maybe as a palate cleanser you need to just listen to some comedy.

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Re: Dave Ramsey is an anti-masker
« Reply #93 on: January 28, 2021, 11:04:35 AM »
Are there alternative podcasts (I tried Clark Howard and couldn't get into it) that focus on budgeting, living below your means, looking to a better future type stuff?  I enjoy the positive reinforcement that I get from listening to 1 hour/week of his show.  (Though I've thought Dave sucks for a while, and have previously read terrible articles about him.)

I found myself not feeling like I was getting anything out of it (same with Clark), but listened a bit longer. Then I did the same with Joe Rogan, Choose FI, and the Mad Fientist.

It's natural to get the bulk of what you can, carry it forward, and move on.

Maybe as a palate cleanser you need to just listen to some comedy.

For that I heartily recommend Oh No Ross and Carrie.

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Re: Dave Ramsey is an anti-masker
« Reply #94 on: January 28, 2021, 11:23:53 AM »
Thanks for the financial podcast recs, I'm actually not a FIRE person (I know, shock! I'm here on the MMM forums!  I'm a farmer...not a job that lends itself to early retirement, though being sound financially is of course a huge benefit and goal, listening to FI podcasts is not that interesting for me.)  I've previously listened to Afford Anything and really like Paula, but as a non-FIRE, non-real estate, and non-entrepreneur, too many of the episodes didn't hit on anything I'm interested in.

And for those offering other podcasts...I have literally 30 on rotation, so I'm all topped up, thank you.  I am just looking for a specific replacement for the 1 hour of simple financial responsibility.

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Re: Dave Ramsey is an anti-masker
« Reply #95 on: January 28, 2021, 11:31:10 AM »
Thanks for the financial podcast recs, I'm actually not a FIRE person (I know, shock! I'm here on the MMM forums!  I'm a farmer...not a job that lends itself to early retirement, though being sound financially is of course a huge benefit and goal, listening to FI podcasts is not that interesting for me.)  I've previously listened to Afford Anything and really like Paula, but as a non-FIRE, non-real estate, and non-entrepreneur, too many of the episodes didn't hit on anything I'm interested in.

And for those offering other podcasts...I have literally 30 on rotation, so I'm all topped up, thank you.  I am just looking for a specific replacement for the 1 hour of simple financial responsibility.

Do you grow apples by chance?

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Re: Dave Ramsey is an anti-masker
« Reply #96 on: January 28, 2021, 11:46:31 AM »
@nereo yes haha!

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Re: Dave Ramsey is an anti-masker
« Reply #97 on: January 28, 2021, 12:36:07 PM »
@nereo yes haha!
Not everyone here is after FIRE. Quite a few of us long term posters are SWAMI types. Nothing wrong with continuing to work if that’s what you want to do and you aren’t forced into it by financial necessity

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Re: Dave Ramsey is an anti-masker
« Reply #98 on: January 28, 2021, 01:44:10 PM »
Not everyone here is after FIRE. Quite a few of us long term posters are SWAMI types. Nothing wrong with continuing to work if that’s what you want to do and you aren’t forced into it by financial necessity
SWAMI? (I'm assuming it doesn't mean "State of Washington as a musical instrument" or any of the other Google supplied definitions lol)

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Re: Dave Ramsey is an anti-masker
« Reply #99 on: January 28, 2021, 02:00:37 PM »
Not everyone here is after FIRE. Quite a few of us long term posters are SWAMI types. Nothing wrong with continuing to work if that’s what you want to do and you aren’t forced into it by financial necessity
SWAMI? (I'm assuming it doesn't mean "State of Washington as a musical instrument" or any of the other Google supplied definitions lol)
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