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« on: March 08, 2025, 06:50:07 AM »
I haven't seen any covid threads recently, so instead of re-upping an old thread I thought I'd start a new one just to remind everyone that covid is still out there.
My mom got diagnosed last week and I just got the Phizer booster yesterday.
She tested positive with cold symptoms and took paxlovid and was on the mend and tested negative a week later. Then yesterday symptoms returned, including shortness of breath, and she tested positive again.
Stay safe.

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« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2025, 08:25:23 AM »
It was so rampant in Anchorage last summer that the pharmacies were running out of testing kits.

After sharing a bus ride in Denali with a coughing New Yorker who assured her group that she was "fine," and with no mask, 5 of the 7 of our group came down with Covid, the day before we were supposed to leave.

The grandparents--of all people!--had "just a little Covid," and flew home anyway.  At least they were masked; but still...

We camped out in an AirBnB for 5 days, and returned home without incident.

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« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2025, 08:54:05 AM »
We all got flu shots and covid boosters in December before visiting parents for Christmas.  I had to bring the kids to the health department because none of the pharmacies that take our insurance had the covid one in stock.

The school recently sent out a bulletin about influenza going around and how to prevent it with handwashing, keeping sick kids home, etc. Completely failed to mention vaccines.  Smh.
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« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2025, 09:01:19 AM »
We all got flu shots and covid boosters in December before visiting parents for Christmas.  I had to bring the kids to the health department because none of the pharmacies that take our insurance had the covid one in stock.

The school recently sent out a bulletin about influenza going around and how to prevent it with handwashing, keeping sick kids home, etc. Completely failed to mention vaccines.  Smh.

Haven't you heard?! Vaccines give your kids measles! Just look at the current outbreaks after all of these COVID vaccines!

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« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2025, 12:04:19 PM »
I assume that Covid is around all the time whether it’s documented/acknowledged or not.  Our provincial government promoted flu vaccines this winter, especially since it was a late season, but not a word about Covid.
I got both shots in November and plan to keep them up annually forever more.

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« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2025, 01:05:45 PM »
I assume that Covid is around all the time whether it’s documented/acknowledged or not.  Our provincial government promoted flu vaccines this winter, especially since it was a late season, but not a word about Covid.
I got both shots in November and plan to keep them up annually forever more.

+1. Except my country is so crazy, we might not have vaccines next year.

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« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2025, 02:04:10 PM »
I assume that Covid is around all the time whether it’s documented/acknowledged or not.  Our provincial government promoted flu vaccines this winter, especially since it was a late season, but not a word about Covid.
I got both shots in November and plan to keep them up annually forever more.

I'm trying to remember,  November is so long ago with all that's happened since.

I think Ontario pushed both?  I got both at once this time.  Fall 2023 I got the flu shot first and caught covid a week later, before getting the covid shot.  Not this year.

I haven't seen waste water analysis for it here,  but last I looked it was definitely in the Ottawa waste water.

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« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2025, 02:31:15 PM »
I assume that Covid is around all the time whether it’s documented/acknowledged or not.  Our provincial government promoted flu vaccines this winter, especially since it was a late season, but not a word about Covid.
I got both shots in November and plan to keep them up annually forever more.

+1. Except my country is so crazy, we might not have vaccines next year.

Some Canadian provinces offer Covid vaccines to anyone who wants one, regardless of citizenship status.
If you’re desperate, it might be worth a “vacation” trip.

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« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2025, 02:32:23 PM »
COVID has become part of my routine when I get the flu vax each year. I did somehow manage to get pneumonia a couple weeks after being vax'd last year so I guess I'll add the pneumococcus soon as well. Although, pneumonia has multiple causes so who knows if I can avoid that in the future.

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« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2025, 03:54:08 PM »
I've been vaccinated for covid every time it has been available (I think six or so times?).  I've also contracted covid three times now according to covid rapid tests.  First time was pretty scary and had multiple month long knock on effects (nausea and weakness while exercising, shortness of breath, etc.).  The other two times have both been quite minor.

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« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2025, 03:58:18 PM »
COVID has become part of my routine when I get the flu vax each year. I did somehow manage to get pneumonia a couple weeks after being vax'd last year so I guess I'll add the pneumococcus soon as well. Although, pneumonia has multiple causes so who knows if I can avoid that in the future.

My pharmacist wants me to get the new one even though Ii had the old one several years ago.  It covers over 20 strains, definite improvement.

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« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2025, 04:01:34 PM »
I've been vaccinated for covid every time it has been available (I think six or so times?).  I've also contracted covid three times now according to covid rapid tests.  First time was pretty scary and had multiple month long knock on effects (nausea and weakness while exercising, shortness of breath, etc.).  The other two times have both been quite minor.

I have also done all the vaccinations.

I had RSV November of 2022 and Covid November of 2023 (jsut a week before my already scheduled vaccination appointment, darn).

The RSV was worse, but the Covid triggered my minor asthma into quite severe asthma.  So long term the Covid was worse.  I was already getting my flu shot every fall, I am now planning to get both flu and Covid every fall.  It's just routine now.

What I'm seeing with my grand-daughter and her cohort is that seem seem more vulnerable to every little thing going around.  We know measles can do that to the immune system, and apparently Covid can as well.  That makes it even more important that children get the standard immunizations, they are going to have more difficulty fighting the childhood illnesses.
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« Reply #12 on: March 09, 2025, 01:33:16 PM »
I'm leaving this marker to nudge myself into scheduling the shingles and tetanus shots.
Shingles has such an innocuous name, but I know it's brutal.

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« Reply #13 on: March 09, 2025, 03:02:47 PM »
I will be scheduling myself to get the MMR booster in the next couple of weeks.

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« Reply #14 on: March 09, 2025, 03:34:50 PM »
Ive gotten every single covid dose recommended, my last was in aug 2024 along with the flu vax.
I also got my shingles vax(es) in the last few months, and Im planning to get MMR this month.
im considering trying for another covid booster because I think you can get them every 6 months,

I had Covid once, in 2022 and I gave it to my teen, even though we quarantined at home, we have a small apartment and a shared bathroom. My spouse has never had it, never tested positive, but has had all the vaccines, same as I have. He has a lower amount of contact with other people than I do as well.

I have friends who have had it 3 times, and this winter I knew a lot of people that had RSV, Norovirus, and Covid over the winter. Its obviously still out there.

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« Reply #15 on: March 09, 2025, 03:42:49 PM »
Here in BC it is now linked to the flu shot, which is given out every fall.  I'm front line/first responder so get it (and other shots) whenever I should.  Because I don't want to kill people due to me forgetting to get a shot.

Conveniently (for me) there is usually a clinic in the medical room at my workplace for a couple days every fall, so all I have to do is notice and I get my shots.  Given that it is next to the staff room, it isn't hard to notice.

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« Reply #16 on: March 09, 2025, 04:00:36 PM »
I am NOT an antivaxxer.  I've gotten all recommended vaccinations so far. I get my flu shot every year.  And will continue.  However, I\m on the fence about continuing the covid shot.  I was covid boosted last year, had side effects, tolerable but really unpleasant, and had covid for the first time 4 months later despite it.  Like I said I'm on the fence.

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« Reply #17 on: March 09, 2025, 04:06:05 PM »
I'm leaving this marker to nudge myself into scheduling the shingles and tetanus shots.
Shingles has such an innocuous name, but I know it's brutal.

Please do get the shots.  My mom had shingles, and it was absolutely horrible.  I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.

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« Reply #18 on: March 09, 2025, 04:11:03 PM »
I've been vaccinated for covid every time it has been available (I think six or so times?).  I've also contracted covid three times now according to covid rapid tests.  First time was pretty scary and had multiple month long knock on effects (nausea and weakness while exercising, shortness of breath, etc.).  The other two times have both been quite minor.

I have also done all the vaccinations.

I had RSV November of 2022 and Covid November of 2023 (jsut a week before my already scheduled vaccination appointment, darn).

The RSV was worse, but the Covid triggered my minor asthma into quite severe asthma.  So long term the Covid was worse.  I was already getting my flu shot every fall, I am now planning to get both flu and Covid every fall.  It's just routine now.

What I'm seeing with my grand-daughter and her cohort is that seem seem more vulnerable to every little thing going around.  We know measles can do that to the immune system, and apparently Covid can as well.  That makes it even more important that children get the standard immunizations, they are going to have more difficulty fighting the childhood illnesses.
Our government recommends a COVID shot every 12 months for those between 65 and 74 and every six months thereafter. So you’re probably behind. Flu yearly.

I am NOT an antivaxxer.  I've gotten all recommended vaccinations so far. I get my flu shot every year.  And will continue.  However, I\m on the fence about continuing the covid shot.  I was covid boosted last year, had side effects, tolerable but really unpleasant, and had covid for the first time 4 months later despite it.  Like I said I'm on the fence.
It’s difficult. I have a close friend who had a reaction to her second COVID vaccine, and who’s developed eye problems as a result, is losing her sight, and must do a special preparation before having any vaccine at all, because they suspect she will always have bad reactions to vaccines form now on. On the other hand, a few weeks ago a longitudinal study came out of people who had COVID in the early days. Each subsequent bout of COVID made it more likely that they would get long COVID and have a bad outcome, including worse symptoms if they’d had long COVID before. I had long COVID all last year, and I definitely don’t want it again.

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« Reply #19 on: March 09, 2025, 07:06:40 PM »
Deborah, I'm not behind.   :-)

From 2023 I learned to not split them.  This year (2024) I got both in October as soon as the new season's vaccines were available.

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« Reply #20 on: March 09, 2025, 08:58:20 PM »
I'm leaving this marker to nudge myself into scheduling the shingles and tetanus shots.
Shingles has such an innocuous name, but I know it's brutal.
Speaking of the tetanus-diphtheria (Td) shot, my GP told me that emerging research is showing a significant reduction in being diagnosed with Parkinson’s disease and it’s progression if you’re up to date on your Td shot (as in every 5 years). So even more reason to stay up to date on that vaccine especially.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39767594
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« Reply #21 on: March 14, 2025, 05:00:59 AM »
I am NOT an antivaxxer.  I've gotten all recommended vaccinations so far. I get my flu shot every year.  And will continue.  However, I\m on the fence about continuing the covid shot.  I was covid boosted last year, had side effects, tolerable but really unpleasant, and had covid for the first time 4 months later despite it.  Like I said I'm on the fence.

I'm also not an antivaxxer.  I've had all my normal childhood vaccines.  I've had annual flu vaccines going back a couple decades, and I will continue to do so.  Also, so far I've had all of the covid vaccines, re-upping them annually as I also got my flu shots.

I only got infected with covid once, and it was pretty bad.  It happened only a few months after one of the times I had re-upped my vaccination for covid.

I have always had some side effects from the covid vaccines, the worst of which was a really bad head ache and nausea that lasted for almost a full day.

With all that said, I'm about 90% sure that I'm going to stop taking the covid vaccines.  I don't believe any of the anti-vax bullshit people spew on the internet.  However, I did end up having a blood clotting problem (PE) in December that sent me to the emergency room... and I never had any issues with clotting before in my life.  On my sample size of n=1 and on the minuscule chance that there is any correlation to it, I think I'm going to skip the covid vaccine going forward.
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« Reply #22 on: March 14, 2025, 06:57:01 AM »
I have not had a Covid booster because of repeat Covid (minimally symptomatic) infection or household exposure locking me out of the booster time window.

Many healthcare workers are chronically exposed to Covid and forego boosters for that reason - this should under no circumstances be interpreted as vaccine hesitancy but as a strategy to maximise immunity. Boosters are very important and highly effective in preventing poor outcomes of Covid infection.

Here is a study that looks into booster timing, taking into account infection history, local Covid infection rates and season.

The optimal approach to boosters is definitely an individualized one as well timed boosters are likely several times more effective than ill timed boosters.


One size doesn’t fit all: Best time for COVID-19 booster depends on where you live, infection history
November 26, 2024


Key Findings

The optimal timing for COVID-19 booster administration is highly location-specific but generally falls in early autumn for the Northern Hemisphere.

Administering boosters in September or October can provide up to three to four times more protection against infection compared to booster shots given later in the year.
For instance, in New York, receiving a booster on Sept. 15th offers the best protection, while delaying the booster to January reduces its efficacy by 3.6-fold.

Breakthrough infections affect the optimal timing of subsequent booster shots. If an infection occurs close to a scheduled booster, delaying the next dose by several months can optimize immunity.

On average, the study found that optimal booster dates precede peak COVID-19 transmission by about 2.7 months, allowing individuals to maximize their protection during periods of higher viral circulation.

The findings highlight the importance of tailoring vaccination campaigns to local COVID-19 trends and personal infection histories for the best outcomes.

Why It Matters

The study's findings have significant implications for public health policy and individual decision-making. Optimizing the timing of COVID-19 booster shots can greatly enhance protection against infection, reducing both transmission rates and the burden on health care systems. For high-risk populations, such as the elderly and immunocompromised, receiving a booster at the right time can be crucial in preventing severe illness. Furthermore, this research offers a personalized approach to vaccination, recommending booster delays following breakthrough infections to maximize immune response. As the pandemic continues to evolve, these insights provide a roadmap for improving booster uptake and efficacy, ultimately reducing the societal impact of COVID-19.


https://medicine.yale.edu/news-article/one-size-doesnt-fit-all-best-time-for-covid-19-booster-depends-on-where-you-live-infection-history/


Optimal Annual COVID-19 Vaccine Boosting Dates Following Previous Booster Vaccination or Breakthrough Infection
Jeffrey P. Townsend, Hayley B. Hassler, and Alex Dornburg

Abstract
Background
COVID-19 booster vaccinations mitigate transmission and reduce the morbidity and mortality associated with infection. However, the optimal date for booster administration remains uncertain. Geographic variation in infection rates throughout the year makes it challenging to intuit the best yearly booster administration date to effectively prevent infection, and also challenging to provide best guidance on how to alter booster administration in response to a breakthrough infection.

Methods
We leveraged longitudinal antibody and reinfection probabilities with spatiotemporal projections of COVID-19 incidence to develop a geographically informed approach to optimizing the timing of booster vaccination. We assessed the delay in booster vaccination that is warranted following breakthrough infections whenever they occur during the year, enabling a personalized assessment of optimal timing that acknowledges and respects diversity of COVID-19 immune status, addressing a substantial barrier to uptake.

Results
Yearly booster vaccination on any date is beneficial to prevention of infection. However, each location exhibits as much as a 3–4-fold range in degree of protection by date of uptake. Optimal COVID-19 booster vaccination dates are location-specific, typically in early autumn in the Northern Hemisphere. Infection late in the interval between boosts substantially alters the optimal boosting date.

Conclusions
Considerable benefit accrues from aptly timing COVID-19 booster vaccination campaigns, which can be tailored to specific locations. Individuals can acquire the greatest benefit from booster vaccination by timing it optimally, including delaying in cases of infection late in the interval between boosts. These results provide location-specific guidance for public health policy, healthcare provider recommendations, and individual decision-making.

https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/80/2/316/7908586

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« Reply #23 on: March 14, 2025, 07:51:36 AM »
With all that said, I'm about 90% sure that I'm going to stop taking the covid vaccines.  I don't believe any of the anti-vax bullshit people spew on the internet.  However, I did end up having a blood clotting problem (PE) in December that sent me to the emergency room... and I never had any issues with clotting before in my life.  On my sample size of n=1 and on the minuscule chance that there is any correlation to it, I think I'm going to skip the covid vaccine going forward.

What did your doctor say about the blood clotting and vaccine?

My wife got headaches for three weeks after getting her first (Astra Zeneca) vaccine.  We talked it over with our doctor, and she said based on the timing it was likely vaccine related.  She recommended switching to a different vaccine for her next shot, which we did and no problems with any of the other ones.  (AZ stopped being recommended for young people anyway.)

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« Reply #24 on: March 14, 2025, 08:39:20 AM »
With all that said, I'm about 90% sure that I'm going to stop taking the covid vaccines.  I don't believe any of the anti-vax bullshit people spew on the internet.  However, I did end up having a blood clotting problem (PE) in December that sent me to the emergency room... and I never had any issues with clotting before in my life.  On my sample size of n=1 and on the minuscule chance that there is any correlation to it, I think I'm going to skip the covid vaccine going forward.

What did your doctor say about the blood clotting and vaccine?

My wife got headaches for three weeks after getting her first (Astra Zeneca) vaccine.  We talked it over with our doctor, and she said based on the timing it was likely vaccine related.  She recommended switching to a different vaccine for her next shot, which we did and no problems with any of the other ones.  (AZ stopped being recommended for young people anyway.)

I switched to Novovax for my latest booster and was pleasantly surprised to have no side effects - I used to lose at least a full day with Moderna.  Which I would still take over losing a week+ with Covid and all the lingering effects on my fitness, but I'm happy to have another option.

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« Reply #25 on: March 14, 2025, 08:48:45 AM »
What did your doctor say about the blood clotting and vaccine?

They have not been able to identify the reason for the clotting yet.  I am going to be taking this really expensive (still on patent) blood thinner medication for 6 months, at which point they will do some follow up tests, which will help inform the doctor on whether I will need to stay on the blood thinner for longer, or not.

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« Reply #26 on: March 16, 2025, 03:14:16 PM »
I have had zero shots and am very happy with that. I had Covid once a few years ago and it involved being pretty wiped out for a week, which I took off work and spent at home reading. This mirrors the experiences of all the vaccinated people I know, other than them getting it a lot more times than me. No thanks.

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« Reply #27 on: March 17, 2025, 06:21:20 AM »
I have had zero shots and am very happy with that. I had Covid once a few years ago and it involved being pretty wiped out for a week, which I took off work and spent at home reading. This mirrors the experiences of all the vaccinated people I know, other than them getting it a lot more times than me. No thanks.

Lucky you.

Vaccinations and boosters timed with consideration of virus circulation in the community, season and breakthrough infection are the safest way to avoid poor outcomes.

Here are the resources you need to figure out what to do and when to do it as well as when to skip boosters:
 

I have not had a Covid booster because of repeat Covid (minimally symptomatic) infection or household exposure locking me out of the booster time window.

Many healthcare workers are chronically exposed to Covid and forego boosters for that reason - this should under no circumstances be interpreted as vaccine hesitancy but as a strategy to maximise immunity. Boosters are very important and highly effective in preventing poor outcomes of Covid infection.

Here is a study that looks into booster timing, taking into account infection history, local Covid infection rates and season.

The optimal approach to boosters is definitely an individualized one as well timed boosters are likely several times more effective than ill timed boosters.


One size doesn’t fit all: Best time for COVID-19 booster depends on where you live, infection history
November 26, 2024


Key Findings

The optimal timing for COVID-19 booster administration is highly location-specific but generally falls in early autumn for the Northern Hemisphere.

Administering boosters in September or October can provide up to three to four times more protection against infection compared to booster shots given later in the year.
For instance, in New York, receiving a booster on Sept. 15th offers the best protection, while delaying the booster to January reduces its efficacy by 3.6-fold.

Breakthrough infections affect the optimal timing of subsequent booster shots. If an infection occurs close to a scheduled booster, delaying the next dose by several months can optimize immunity.

On average, the study found that optimal booster dates precede peak COVID-19 transmission by about 2.7 months, allowing individuals to maximize their protection during periods of higher viral circulation.

The findings highlight the importance of tailoring vaccination campaigns to local COVID-19 trends and personal infection histories for the best outcomes.

Why It Matters

The study's findings have significant implications for public health policy and individual decision-making. Optimizing the timing of COVID-19 booster shots can greatly enhance protection against infection, reducing both transmission rates and the burden on health care systems. For high-risk populations, such as the elderly and immunocompromised, receiving a booster at the right time can be crucial in preventing severe illness. Furthermore, this research offers a personalized approach to vaccination, recommending booster delays following breakthrough infections to maximize immune response. As the pandemic continues to evolve, these insights provide a roadmap for improving booster uptake and efficacy, ultimately reducing the societal impact of COVID-19.


https://medicine.yale.edu/news-article/one-size-doesnt-fit-all-best-time-for-covid-19-booster-depends-on-where-you-live-infection-history/


Optimal Annual COVID-19 Vaccine Boosting Dates Following Previous Booster Vaccination or Breakthrough Infection
Jeffrey P. Townsend, Hayley B. Hassler, and Alex Dornburg

Abstract
Background
COVID-19 booster vaccinations mitigate transmission and reduce the morbidity and mortality associated with infection. However, the optimal date for booster administration remains uncertain. Geographic variation in infection rates throughout the year makes it challenging to intuit the best yearly booster administration date to effectively prevent infection, and also challenging to provide best guidance on how to alter booster administration in response to a breakthrough infection.

Methods
We leveraged longitudinal antibody and reinfection probabilities with spatiotemporal projections of COVID-19 incidence to develop a geographically informed approach to optimizing the timing of booster vaccination. We assessed the delay in booster vaccination that is warranted following breakthrough infections whenever they occur during the year, enabling a personalized assessment of optimal timing that acknowledges and respects diversity of COVID-19 immune status, addressing a substantial barrier to uptake.

Results
Yearly booster vaccination on any date is beneficial to prevention of infection. However, each location exhibits as much as a 3–4-fold range in degree of protection by date of uptake. Optimal COVID-19 booster vaccination dates are location-specific, typically in early autumn in the Northern Hemisphere. Infection late in the interval between boosts substantially alters the optimal boosting date.

Conclusions
Considerable benefit accrues from aptly timing COVID-19 booster vaccination campaigns, which can be tailored to specific locations. Individuals can acquire the greatest benefit from booster vaccination by timing it optimally, including delaying in cases of infection late in the interval between boosts. These results provide location-specific guidance for public health policy, healthcare provider recommendations, and individual decision-making.

https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/80/2/316/7908586

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« Reply #28 on: March 17, 2025, 07:21:04 AM »
I have had zero shots and am very happy with that. I had Covid once a few years ago and it involved being pretty wiped out for a week, which I took off work and spent at home reading. This mirrors the experiences of all the vaccinated people I know, other than them getting it a lot more times than me. No thanks.

I don't ask this fecitiously at all, but I wonder how other people in your life factored into your decision?

I honestly respect other people's right to make choices about their life: owning and useing firearms, enjoying dangerous activities, other lifestyle choices, etc.  And Covid, particularly, is somewhat unusual in that it affects children less.  But we get DS vaccinated, as much so that he doesn't carry the virus to his grandparents, as for consideration of his health.  It might be a minor or medium nuisance for him, but could be devastating for them.

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« Reply #29 on: March 17, 2025, 09:06:39 AM »
I've gotten the shots every year, and no side effects other than arm soreness since the very first shot.  Had COVID twice; each time it had been at least 10 months since my latest booster, and symptoms were mild.  My family has had it a few other times, and it's always been close to a full year since the shot when our immunity has faded enough to succumb.  Thankfully, my child who is prone to nasty respiratory infections hasn't gotten it.  We've also been successful at preventing transmission in the house through masking and isolation. 

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« Reply #30 on: March 17, 2025, 11:54:24 AM »
I have had zero shots and am very happy with that. I had Covid once a few years ago and it involved being pretty wiped out for a week, which I took off work and spent at home reading. This mirrors the experiences of all the vaccinated people I know, other than them getting it a lot more times than me. No thanks.

I don't ask this fecitiously at all, but I wonder how other people in your life factored into your decision?

I honestly respect other people's right to make choices about their life: owning and useing firearms, enjoying dangerous activities, other lifestyle choices, etc.  And Covid, particularly, is somewhat unusual in that it affects children less.  But we get DS vaccinated, as much so that he doesn't carry the virus to his grandparents, as for consideration of his health.  It might be a minor or medium nuisance for him, but could be devastating for them.

Given the vaccine's poor rate of reducing transmission, it seems like staying away from vulnerable people when you're sick is a vastly superior way to protect people. Also, the grandparent's vaccines should be providing them protection either way, right?

My personal policy is I let people know I'm unvaccinated, and they can make their own decisions accordingly about whether they're risking imminent death as a result of spending time with me.

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« Reply #31 on: March 17, 2025, 12:08:21 PM »
Poor rate of reducing transmission????

We had outbreaks from overseas that we spent a lot of money tracing and stopping, so we had very few cases before the population was vaccinated, and then we opened up. Look at our figures for deaths, and you’ll see a very good reason to vaccinate.

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Re: Covid vaccine
« Reply #32 on: March 17, 2025, 12:29:46 PM »
Poor rate of reducing transmission????

We had outbreaks from overseas that we spent a lot of money tracing and stopping, so we had very few cases before the population was vaccinated, and then we opened up. Look at our figures for deaths, and you’ll see a very good reason to vaccinate.

I mean, you can look up the effectiveness of the vaccines at stopping transmission of the current strains. It's not great. It was better against the earlier strains.

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« Reply #33 on: March 17, 2025, 01:19:51 PM »
The main mechanism of vaccination in controlling spread of covid today is that it reduces the time you are sick (which therefore reduces exposure to those around you).  As far as I'm aware it does not otherwise significantly prevent transmission of covid to others or prevent you from getting covid.

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« Reply #34 on: March 17, 2025, 01:42:14 PM »
Just wait until the anti-vaxxers get us a nice mutation in measles to come out that the current vaccine isn't effective against... then we'll really see something.

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« Reply #35 on: March 17, 2025, 01:43:57 PM »
Just wait until the anti-vaxxers get us a nice mutation in measles to come out that the current vaccine isn't effective against... then we'll really see something.

Well, they're currently running the department of health in the US so . . .

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« Reply #36 on: March 17, 2025, 02:07:38 PM »
I regularly get my booster shots.  The biggest motivator for me is the emerging literature on other illnesses for which COVID is a comorbidity.  COVID elevates the risk of heart attack.  Even after the illness has passed, the risk of heart attack doesn’t drop back to what it was before.

For certain blood types, there appears to be a relationship between COVID history and elevated levels of stroke.  Ditto for diabetes.

I don’t see the vaccines as mitigating my chance of a respiratory disease, as much as significantly reducing my chance of heart attack, stroke and diabetes (and probably others we don’t yet fully understand).

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« Reply #37 on: March 17, 2025, 02:10:46 PM »
I have had zero shots and am very happy with that. I had Covid once a few years ago and it involved being pretty wiped out for a week, which I took off work and spent at home reading. This mirrors the experiences of all the vaccinated people I know, other than them getting it a lot more times than me. No thanks.

I don't ask this fecitiously at all, but I wonder how other people in your life factored into your decision?

I honestly respect other people's right to make choices about their life: owning and useing firearms, enjoying dangerous activities, other lifestyle choices, etc.  And Covid, particularly, is somewhat unusual in that it affects children less.  But we get DS vaccinated, as much so that he doesn't carry the virus to his grandparents, as for consideration of his health.  It might be a minor or medium nuisance for him, but could be devastating for them.

Given the vaccine's poor rate of reducing transmission, it seems like staying away from vulnerable people when you're sick is a vastly superior way to protect people. Also, the grandparent's vaccines should be providing them protection either way, right?

My personal policy is I let people know I'm unvaccinated, and they can make their own decisions accordingly about whether they're risking imminent death as a result of spending time with me.

Fair enough.  And yes, even in our case, the full thinking was: stay away, unless we have a way we are relatively certain is safe.  But being away from family forever is not a great outcome, either.

Not all grandparents can be vaccinated, due to other medical reasons.   We have a couple people in our family in my generation in the same boat, so we are their protection.  I certainly don't assume everyone has that situation, though.

I do think, for some elders, dying in loneliness would be worse than the chance of picking up some infectious disease.