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Re: Coronavirus is the End of Trump
« Reply #600 on: April 27, 2020, 06:25:36 AM »
I'm worried that 200,000 is not an overestimate, but a fair one. I'm worried that--on top of this death toll--the economic disruption (which will reduce the number of deaths compared to a world in which we did not try it--will cost millions of people substantially.

I'd be quite surprised if we break 50,000.

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The death toll exceeding @ReadySetMillionaire 's estimate doesn't mean I win. I'm still worried that it will eventually exceed my estimate, too.

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« Reply #601 on: April 27, 2020, 06:30:49 AM »
I'm worried that 200,000 is not an overestimate, but a fair one. I'm worried that--on top of this death toll--the economic disruption (which will reduce the number of deaths compared to a world in which we did not try it--will cost millions of people substantially.

I'd be quite surprised if we break 50,000.

Surprise!

It's not "The Price is Right"

The death toll exceeding @ReadySetMillionaire 's estimate doesn't mean I win. I'm still worried that it will eventually exceed my estimate, too.

I hope not. The longer it takes to get there, the more chance people have to absorb information that will keep them safer - like self isolation, distancing, masks etc. I think there will be a lot more deaths, unfortunately, but I'm hoping the message becomes normalised.

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Re: Coronavirus is the End of Trump
« Reply #602 on: April 27, 2020, 06:33:23 AM »
I'm worried that 200,000 is not an overestimate, but a fair one. I'm worried that--on top of this death toll--the economic disruption (which will reduce the number of deaths compared to a world in which we did not try it--will cost millions of people substantially.

I'd be quite surprised if we break 50,000.

Surprise!

It's not "The Price is Right"

The death toll exceeding @ReadySetMillionaire 's estimate doesn't mean I win. I'm still worried that it will eventually exceed my estimate, too.

There are numerous warnings about opening up businesses too early, easing restrictions etc. And numerous warnings about another more potentially deadly round of coronavirus. I hope none of this is true, however 50K might seem more like a "sure would have been nice to stop there" pipe dream. I still remember when they said it passed the 9/11 death toll.

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Re: Coronavirus is the End of Trump
« Reply #603 on: April 27, 2020, 08:44:31 AM »

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« Reply #604 on: April 27, 2020, 06:05:02 PM »

This could also be an early sign of dementia. He didn't used to be such a loose, stream of consciousness, speaker.

Or a sign of hydroxychloroquine overdose. 

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Re: Coronavirus is the End of Trump
« Reply #605 on: April 27, 2020, 10:44:22 PM »
The National Republican Senatorial Committee just released a strategy memo that included "Don't defend Trump" - Trump campaign lashes out over 'Don't defend Trump' memo.

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Re: Coronavirus is the End of Trump
« Reply #606 on: May 04, 2020, 05:25:01 AM »
I'm starting to wonder if coronavirus might be the end of the Democrats.  Today, I was thinking of Michigan because I read that you can't even get vegetables to plant your vegetable garden.  Even the garden centers are locked down.   The lock down in Michigan due to coronavirus seems overly aggressive to me. At least in Ohio which has been locked down longer but not as aggressively, we can get a vegetable garden in.  I think most people are OK with reasonable restrictions.

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« Reply #607 on: May 04, 2020, 05:53:36 AM »
I'm starting to wonder if coronavirus might be the end of the Democrats.  Today, I was thinking of Michigan because I read that you can't even get vegetables to plant your vegetable garden.  Even the garden centers are locked down.   The lock down in Michigan due to coronavirus seems overly aggressive to me. At least in Ohio which has been locked down longer but not as aggressively, we can get a vegetable garden in.  I think most people are OK with reasonable restrictions.




It seems to me that it would be very reasonable for the government to require everyone to wear masks whenever in public indoor spaces.  That simple & reasonable requirement hasn't happened and it appears that there would be a large public resistance to it, which I can't understand given the current numbers. 


We are seeing protesters carrying weapons, which should be met with the National Guard being called in.  Governors  seem hesitant since these "fine people" are also carrying Trump signs.  They appear to be shielded by the Unimpeachable One's ability to say FU to everyone in his path.  I'm curious what the response will be after there is a trigger pulled? 

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Re: Coronavirus is the End of Trump
« Reply #608 on: May 04, 2020, 05:58:04 AM »
I'm starting to wonder if coronavirus might be the end of the Democrats.  Today, I was thinking of Michigan because I read that you can't even get vegetables to plant your vegetable garden.  Even the garden centers are locked down.   The lock down in Michigan due to coronavirus seems overly aggressive to me. At least in Ohio which has been locked down longer but not as aggressively, we can get a vegetable garden in.  I think most people are OK with reasonable restrictions.

I live in Michigan and none of this is true. Check your sources.

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« Reply #609 on: May 04, 2020, 06:22:49 AM »
I see I was wrong.  I was researching CSAs and read it on a CSA website.  I researched it further and it looks like Garden Centers were opened up April 24 in Michigan.  Question for you though. Whether or not you think it is necessary,  I am under the impression that Michigan's lock down is quite a bit harsher than those in surrounding states.  Would you agree this is true? Do you think the independents in Michigan and the blue collar workers who changed parties and voted for Trump think it's true?
Michigan is an important state for the Democrats to win. 
In any state, there is a point though were people could be less upset with "stupid Trump" tweets than with what they see as unreasonable lockdowns.  I personally am OK with how Ohio is handling things.  My husband is not.  Everyone draws the line somewhere and not everyone who thinks we've gone to far is openly carrying weapons and protesting without a mask (or even agrees with those tactics)

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Re: Coronavirus is the End of Trump
« Reply #610 on: May 04, 2020, 06:40:43 AM »
I see I was wrong.  I was researching CSAs and read it on a CSA website.  I researched it further and it looks like Garden Centers were opened up April 24 in Michigan.  Question for you though. Whether or not you think it is necessary,  I am under the impression that Michigan's lock down is quite a bit harsher than those in surrounding states.  Would you agree this is true? Do you think the independents in Michigan and the blue collar workers who changed parties and voted for Trump think it's true?
Michigan is an important state for the Democrats to win. 
In any state, there is a point though were people could be less upset with "stupid Trump" tweets than with what they see as unreasonable lockdowns.  I personally am OK with how Ohio is handling things.  My husband is not.  Everyone draws the line somewhere and not everyone who thinks we've gone to far is openly carrying weapons and protesting without a mask (or even agrees with those tactics)

Given how hard we were hit, there's generally broad support for the governor's actions. We have the third highest death count and highest death rate per positive cases in the entire USA. Without the stay home order, our case and death counts would look even worse.

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Re: Coronavirus is the End of Trump
« Reply #611 on: May 04, 2020, 07:01:40 AM »
I'm starting to wonder if coronavirus might be the end of the Democrats.  Today, I was thinking of Michigan because I read that you can't even get vegetables to plant your vegetable garden.  Even the garden centers are locked down.   The lock down in Michigan due to coronavirus seems overly aggressive to me. At least in Ohio which has been locked down longer but not as aggressively, we can get a vegetable garden in.  I think most people are OK with reasonable restrictions.

All of the Michigan orders came within ~24 hours of the Ohio orders.  Not sure why you think Ohio has been locked down longer.

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« Reply #612 on: May 04, 2020, 07:16:54 AM »
I'm starting to wonder if coronavirus might be the end of the Democrats.  Today, I was thinking of Michigan because I read that you can't even get vegetables to plant your vegetable garden.  Even the garden centers are locked down.   The lock down in Michigan due to coronavirus seems overly aggressive to me. At least in Ohio which has been locked down longer but not as aggressively, we can get a vegetable garden in.  I think most people are OK with reasonable restrictions.

All of the Michigan orders came within ~24 hours of the Ohio orders.  Not sure why you think Ohio has been locked down longer.

Right, and Michigan got hit a lot harder than Ohio. The restrictions were initially a lot less onerous, but so few people were staying home that it quickly became apparent that heavier restrictions were needed. My husband works in retail. Until the “Stay Home, Stay Safe” order was enacted and his store was required to close its storefronts (while remaining open for online/telephone sales), the in-store sale numbers were on par with Black Friday for several days straight. In a pandemic. In Wayne County, which has been a major US epicenter. The in-state travel restriction was to protect rural and less well-equipped areas from having to deal with an influx of people from my area who might have brought the virus with them.

Even during the heaviest restrictions, people could still travel to work if they weren’t able to work at home and their workplace hadn’t closed, grocery shop, fill their gas tanks, shop at hardware stores (and buy garden supplies there) and pet supply stores, pick up carry-out orders from restaurants, drop off things at each other’s homes (e.g., the various groceries I dropped off at my parents’ home), and visit local parks. We weren’t locked in our homes.

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« Reply #613 on: May 04, 2020, 07:38:17 AM »
Michigan orders became more restrictive because no one was listening to them and taking them seriously.  Every business decided they qualified as essential, and every aspect of an "essential" business was deemed essential by extension and people were taking advantage of that.  For example home depot was considered essential, so everything they did was considered essential even though most of it was clearly not, so people were going to home depot and buying non essential things just to get out of the house and have something do.  They were buying furniture, paint, garden supplies, etc instead of actual essential stuff to keep their houses running.  And people were going to walmart and browsing for tvs and kids toys.  This resulted in more clarification from the governor over what is essential and many stores were ordered to shut down non-essential parts of their business.

I don't necessarily agree that garden centers are "non-essential" in the several week period before planting season, but they were closed off anyway.  They have since been reopened though.


Also I'm getting kind of annoyed with people throwing the word quarantine around all the time.  You are allowed to leave your house and go for walks or bike rides, you are allowed to go to the grocery store, you can order takeout from any restaurant, you can go to home depot, or walmart, etc.  Yeah movie theaters and barber shops are shut down, and you aren't supposed to gather in groups, but you are not fucking quarantined. 

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Re: Coronavirus is the End of Trump
« Reply #614 on: May 04, 2020, 07:39:23 AM »
I'm starting to wonder if coronavirus might be the end of the Democrats.  Today, I was thinking of Michigan because I read that you can't even get vegetables to plant your vegetable garden.  Even the garden centers are locked down.   The lock down in Michigan due to coronavirus seems overly aggressive to me. At least in Ohio which has been locked down longer but not as aggressively, we can get a vegetable garden in.  I think most people are OK with reasonable restrictions.

All of the Michigan orders came within ~24 hours of the Ohio orders.  Not sure why you think Ohio has been locked down longer.
Maybe https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/did-ohio-get-it-right-early-intervention-preparation-for-pandemic-may-pay-off/ar-BB12oQtl
Additionally I have March 23rd for Michigan and March 21 for Ohio but whatever. Even if it is less than 24 hours it is still earlier.    But this is besides the point.  You guys are nit picking details.  My point is Coronovirus lockdowns approval rating do seem to run on party lines. Michigan has a lot of out of work blue collar workers who might not agree with them. 

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« Reply #615 on: May 04, 2020, 07:49:32 AM »
I'm starting to wonder if coronavirus might be the end of the Democrats.  Today, I was thinking of Michigan because I read that you can't even get vegetables to plant your vegetable garden.  Even the garden centers are locked down.   The lock down in Michigan due to coronavirus seems overly aggressive to me. At least in Ohio which has been locked down longer but not as aggressively, we can get a vegetable garden in.  I think most people are OK with reasonable restrictions.

All of the Michigan orders came within ~24 hours of the Ohio orders.  Not sure why you think Ohio has been locked down longer.
Maybe https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/did-ohio-get-it-right-early-intervention-preparation-for-pandemic-may-pay-off/ar-BB12oQtl
Additionally I have March 23rd for Michigan and March 21 for Ohio but whatever. Even if it is less than 24 hours it is still earlier.    But this is besides the point.  You guys are nit picking details.  My point is Coronovirus lockdowns approval rating do seem to run on party lines. Michigan has a lot of out of work blue collar workers who might not agree with them.

Not the ones that I know, here in metro Detroit. People want to know that their employers will protect them before they go back to work. We all see what is happening in the meatpacking plants.

Otherwise,

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Just 36 percent of Michigan respondents said they approve of Trump's response, compared with 63 percent who said the same of Gov. Gretchen Whitmer (D).
(Source: https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/495504-governors-in-all-50-states-get-better-marks-than-trump-for-covid

Also note that the armed toddler tantrums at the state capitol have been organized in part by out of state groups, such as the Proud Boys. These are not “very good people,” as Trump claims. They are using a global pandemic to further their own sick goals.https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/michigan-gunmen-statehouse-coronavirus-protests-trump-working-people-a9494336.html
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Re: Coronavirus is the End of Trump
« Reply #616 on: May 04, 2020, 08:06:01 AM »
I'm starting to wonder if coronavirus might be the end of the Democrats.  Today, I was thinking of Michigan because I read that you can't even get vegetables to plant your vegetable garden.  Even the garden centers are locked down.   The lock down in Michigan due to coronavirus seems overly aggressive to me. At least in Ohio which has been locked down longer but not as aggressively, we can get a vegetable garden in.  I think most people are OK with reasonable restrictions.

All of the Michigan orders came within ~24 hours of the Ohio orders.  Not sure why you think Ohio has been locked down longer.
Maybe https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/did-ohio-get-it-right-early-intervention-preparation-for-pandemic-may-pay-off/ar-BB12oQtl
Additionally I have March 23rd for Michigan and March 21 for Ohio but whatever. Even if it is less than 24 hours it is still earlier.    But this is besides the point.  You guys are nit picking details.  My point is Coronovirus lockdowns approval rating do seem to run on party lines. Michigan has a lot of out of work blue collar workers who might not agree with them.

SKP:

"Even if it is less than 24 hours it is still earlier."

Also SKP:

"You guys are nit picking details."

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Re: Coronavirus is the End of Trump
« Reply #617 on: May 04, 2020, 08:13:52 AM »
  The lock down in Michigan due to coronavirus seems overly aggressive to me.

 

Prohibiting Michiganders  from traveling to their  rural vacation homes   is an unconstitutional overreach.

This treatment of this class of Michiganders   is unreasonable because  it is not substantially related to the achievement of Michigan's objective of reducing the spread of the COVID-19 virus.

Thus this prohibition is a violation of the 14th Amendment's Equal Protection Clause.

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« Reply #618 on: May 04, 2020, 08:16:40 AM »
  The lock down in Michigan due to coronavirus seems overly aggressive to me.

 

Prohibiting Michiganders  from traveling to their  rural vacation homes   is an unconstitutional overreach.

This treatment of this class of Michiganders   is unreasonable because  it is not substantially related to the achievement of Michigan's objective of reducing the spread of the COVID-19 virus.

Thus this prohibition is a violation of the 14th Amendment's Equal Protection Clause.

So far, a court ruling begs to differ. https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/495416-michigan-court-rules-governors-stay-at-home-order-does-not-violate

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Re: Coronavirus is the End of Trump
« Reply #619 on: May 04, 2020, 08:25:12 AM »
re: Michigan vs. Ohio - even though we essentially closed within 24 hours of each other, I wonder if we had more notice of closing in Ohio? And therefor had slightly less panic buying in the few days leading up to the closures?

For instance, even though March 13 was the last day of instruction for both my husband and kiddos - they announced it advance. My husband had a weeks' notice and our school announced on the 10th that parents should prepare for closing in the coming days (and then officially announced it a couple of days later).

It looks like Whitmer announced on the 13th that schools would be closed starting immediately.

We did grocery/pharmacy stock ups and library trips in the week before everything officially shut down because my DH's university announced it would be closing. We were able to avoid the stores for a solid two weeks.

I think there are likely other things at play than closure dates (Whitmer initiated shut downs when there were only 12 cases in the state - so good on her) but I wonder if the Ohio schools being ahead of the curve (with guidance from Acton and DeWine) may have helped us a bit.

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Re: Coronavirus is the End of Trump
« Reply #620 on: May 04, 2020, 08:27:54 AM »
I'm starting to wonder if coronavirus might be the end of the Democrats.  Today, I was thinking of Michigan because I read that you can't even get vegetables to plant your vegetable garden.  Even the garden centers are locked down.   The lock down in Michigan due to coronavirus seems overly aggressive to me. At least in Ohio which has been locked down longer but not as aggressively, we can get a vegetable garden in.  I think most people are OK with reasonable restrictions.

All of the Michigan orders came within ~24 hours of the Ohio orders.  Not sure why you think Ohio has been locked down longer.
Maybe https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/did-ohio-get-it-right-early-intervention-preparation-for-pandemic-may-pay-off/ar-BB12oQtl
Additionally I have March 23rd for Michigan and March 21 for Ohio but whatever. Even if it is less than 24 hours it is still earlier.    But this is besides the point.  You guys are nit picking details.  My point is Coronovirus lockdowns approval rating do seem to run on party lines. Michigan has a lot of out of work blue collar workers who might not agree with them.

As Kris noted, you seem to be the one picking nits.  And nothing in your article, btw, shows anything about March 21st.

https://www.businessinsider.com/michiganders-approve-of-whitmer-on-coronavirus-despite-protests-poll-2020-4

And as OtherJen noted, Michiganders overwhelmingly approve of Michigan's orders.

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Re: Coronavirus is the End of Trump
« Reply #621 on: May 04, 2020, 09:31:55 AM »
@skp We don't honestly know. Republican governors--like DeWine--have responded very well to the crisis. It sounds as though you do not believe Whitmer has. But your consistent mention of the out-of-work blue collar workers implies you think they'll blame Whitmer for shutting the state down, rather than blame Trump for the poor national economy that makes it hard to find work because there's very little demand for new automobiles..

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« Reply #622 on: May 04, 2020, 09:53:09 AM »
  The lock down in Michigan due to coronavirus seems overly aggressive to me.

 

Prohibiting Michiganders  from traveling to their  rural vacation homes   is an unconstitutional overreach.

This treatment of this class of Michiganders   is unreasonable because  it is not substantially related to the achievement of Michigan's objective of reducing the spread of the COVID-19 virus.

Thus this prohibition is a violation of the 14th Amendment's Equal Protection Clause.

So far, a court ruling begs to differ. https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/495416-michigan-court-rules-governors-stay-at-home-order-does-not-violate
Speaking as someone who lives in an area with a lot of holiday and vacation homes, albeit not in Michigan, it has been mainly holiday home owners who have been bringing the virus into the county and taking up the beds in the hospital.

And, really, anyone who thinks people who own holiday homes are the victims in this global pandemic is barking up the wrong tree in the wrong forest.

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Re: Coronavirus is the End of Trump
« Reply #623 on: May 04, 2020, 10:02:17 AM »
@skp We don't honestly know. Republican governors--like DeWine--have responded very well to the crisis. It sounds as though you do not believe Whitmer has. But your consistent mention of the out-of-work blue collar workers implies you think they'll blame Whitmer for shutting the state down, rather than blame Trump for the poor national economy that makes it hard to find work because there's very little demand for new automobiles..

Here's the perspective from the UAW: UAW not comfortable resuming auto manufacturing in early May

The workers haven't missed that many of their coworkers in the Big 3 plants have become sick and several have died. https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/general-motors/2020/04/17/uaw-gm-tech-center-worker-dies-coronavirus/5154936002/

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Re: Coronavirus is the End of Trump
« Reply #624 on: May 04, 2020, 10:03:24 AM »
  The lock down in Michigan due to coronavirus seems overly aggressive to me.

 

Prohibiting Michiganders  from traveling to their  rural vacation homes   is an unconstitutional overreach.

This treatment of this class of Michiganders   is unreasonable because  it is not substantially related to the achievement of Michigan's objective of reducing the spread of the COVID-19 virus.

Thus this prohibition is a violation of the 14th Amendment's Equal Protection Clause.

So far, a court ruling begs to differ. https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/495416-michigan-court-rules-governors-stay-at-home-order-does-not-violate
Speaking as someone who lives in an area with a lot of holiday and vacation homes, albeit not in Michigan, it has been mainly holiday home owners who have been bringing the virus into the county and taking up the beds in the hospital.

And, really, anyone who thinks people who own holiday homes are the victims in this global pandemic is barking up the wrong tree in the wrong forest.

This. Good lord.

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Re: Coronavirus is the End of Trump
« Reply #625 on: May 04, 2020, 10:10:43 AM »
@skp We don't honestly know. Republican governors--like DeWine--have responded very well to the crisis. It sounds as though you do not believe Whitmer has. But your consistent mention of the out-of-work blue collar workers implies you think they'll blame Whitmer for shutting the state down, rather than blame Trump for the poor national economy that makes it hard to find work because there's very little demand for new automobiles..

The upset folks in Michigan are protesting against Whitmer, not the Director of Public Health, a man. 
The upset folks in Ohio are protesting against Dr. Amy Acton (Director of Public Health), showing up outside her home this past weekend and not DeWine (the governor), a man.

Hmmm.

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Re: Coronavirus is the End of Trump
« Reply #626 on: May 04, 2020, 10:38:29 AM »
The upset folks in Michigan are protesting against Whitmer, not the Director of Public Health, a man. 
The upset folks in Ohio are protesting against Dr. Amy Acton (Director of Public Health), showing up outside her home this past weekend and not DeWine (the governor), a man.

Hmmm.

For what it's worth, here in Wisconsin they're almost entirely raging against Governor Evers, a man, rather than the DHS Secretary Andrea Palm. Not sure how big the've been elsewhere but the protests here have been a pretty small (but vocal) minority, the largest one drew maybe 1,500 people I believe.


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Re: Coronavirus is the End of Trump
« Reply #627 on: May 04, 2020, 10:50:52 AM »
The upset folks in Michigan are protesting against Whitmer, not the Director of Public Health, a man. 
The upset folks in Ohio are protesting against Dr. Amy Acton (Director of Public Health), showing up outside her home this past weekend and not DeWine (the governor), a man.

Hmmm.

For what it's worth, here in Wisconsin they're almost entirely raging against Governor Evers, a man, rather than the DHS Secretary Andrea Palm. Not sure how big the've been elsewhere but the protests here have been a pretty small (but vocal) minority, the largest one drew maybe 1,500 people I believe.

I don't think we've had one larger than that. Most of the state thinks they're behaving terribly, like toddlers with long guns.

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Re: Coronavirus is the End of Trump
« Reply #628 on: May 05, 2020, 03:49:59 AM »
  The lock down in Michigan due to coronavirus seems overly aggressive to me.

 

Prohibiting Michiganders  from traveling to their  rural vacation homes   is an unconstitutional overreach.

This treatment of this class of Michiganders   is unreasonable because  it is not substantially related to the achievement of Michigan's objective of reducing the spread of the COVID-19 virus.

Thus this prohibition is a violation of the 14th Amendment's Equal Protection Clause.

So far, a court ruling begs to differ. https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/495416-michigan-court-rules-governors-stay-at-home-order-does-not-violate

On or about 22 or 24 April Whitmer's  overreaching stay-at-home order was modified to allow  travel to and from residences in Michigan including vacation homes.

I'm not sure of exactly what was done that led Whitmer to modify her order.

To uphold the stay-at-home order's other  measures the   court relied  on  language that typifies permissible exercise of the police power such as "public crisis," "consistent with the law," and  "subject to reasonable regulation by the state."

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« Reply #629 on: May 05, 2020, 06:19:01 AM »
@John Galt incarnate! LOL at your interpretation of Holiday Home owners being a protected class of citizens as defined in the 1868 amendment, the purpose of which appears to be the granting of citizenship to slaves following the civil war.

Sounds a lot like the equivalence of "well regulated militia" to disturbed teenagers carrying military machine guns into primary schools.

I would normally point out that I'm just joking, but your Supreme Court disagrees with me.

The US Constitution and its amendments are a lot like the bible. Written in a time period for the time period. Probably needs a refresh.

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« Reply #630 on: May 05, 2020, 06:51:03 AM »
The US Constitution and its amendments are a lot like the bible. Written in a time period for the time period. Probably needs a refresh.

You radical.  Next you'll be telling me that women should have rights in the constitution.

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Re: Coronavirus is the End of Trump
« Reply #631 on: May 05, 2020, 07:17:03 AM »
The US Constitution and its amendments are a lot like the bible. Written in a time period for the time period. Probably needs a refresh.

You radical.  Next you'll be telling me that women should have rights in the constitution.
Corporations are people but women are not, right?

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Re: Coronavirus is the End of Trump
« Reply #632 on: May 05, 2020, 07:20:18 AM »
The US Constitution and its amendments are a lot like the bible. Written in a time period for the time period. Probably needs a refresh.

You radical.  Next you'll be telling me that women should have rights in the constitution.
Corporations are people but women are not, right?

The government can tell me what I can and can't do with my own uterus but apparently telling men to stay home during a global pandemic is several bridges too far.

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Re: Coronavirus is the End of Trump
« Reply #633 on: May 05, 2020, 07:26:51 AM »
The government can tell me what I can and can't do with my own uterus but apparently telling men to stay home during a global pandemic is several bridges too far.

Well, only one of those affects old white dudes so...

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Re: Coronavirus is the End of Trump
« Reply #634 on: May 05, 2020, 07:51:56 AM »
The government can tell me what I can and can't do with my own uterus but apparently telling men to stay home during a global pandemic is several bridges too far.

Well, only one of those affects old white dudes so...

Ding ding ding, we have a winner!

I know exactly what would have happened if all those armed Ted Nugent cosplayers who stormed my state's capitol last week were a few shades darker. White privilege in action.

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Re: Coronavirus is the End of Trump
« Reply #635 on: May 05, 2020, 05:04:11 PM »
The government can tell me what I can and can't do with my own uterus but apparently telling men to stay home during a global pandemic is several bridges too far.

Well, only one of those affects old white dudes so...

Ding ding ding, we have a winner!

I know exactly what would have happened if all those armed Ted Nugent cosplayers who stormed my state's capitol last week were a few shades darker. White privilege in action.

Many gun laws came about because black people were arming themselves back in the 1960s. 

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Re: Coronavirus is the End of Trump
« Reply #636 on: May 06, 2020, 07:01:18 PM »
The government can tell me what I can and can't do with my own uterus but apparently telling men to stay home during a global pandemic is several bridges too far.

Well, only one of those affects old white dudes so...

Ding ding ding, we have a winner!

I know exactly what would have happened if all those armed Ted Nugent cosplayers who stormed my state's capitol last week were a few shades darker. White privilege in action.

Many gun laws came about because black people were arming themselves back in the 1960s.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJqfNroFp8U

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Re: Coronavirus is the End of Trump
« Reply #637 on: May 06, 2020, 07:51:47 PM »
The government can tell me what I can and can't do with my own uterus but apparently telling men to stay home during a global pandemic is several bridges too far.

Well, only one of those affects old white dudes so...

Ding ding ding, we have a winner!

I know exactly what would have happened if all those armed Ted Nugent cosplayers who stormed my state's capitol last week were a few shades darker. White privilege in action.

Many gun laws came about because black people were arming themselves back in the 1960s.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJqfNroFp8U

ROFLMAO.

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Re: Coronavirus is the End of Trump
« Reply #638 on: May 10, 2020, 06:32:18 AM »
One of the x-factors that hasn't really been talked about at length as of yet, and is probably highly relevant to the 2020 elections:

In the US, the media has cast stances on reopening as a matter of Red vs. Blue, with Republicans/Trump pushing more aggressively to reopen and Democrats falling more on the side of keeping things locked down to get the virus under control.  This may be missing something among voters:

The demographic most at risk from failing control the virus(older voters) are a traditionally right-leaning demographic, while those to whom it presents minimal risk(young voters) are left-leaning.  The parties' respective stances on how much to emphasize economic risk vs. public health risk runs counter to these groups' normal political allegiances.

Already there is some evidence that Older voters are trending more towards Biden than they did toward Clinton in 2016, and younger voters(to a much smaller extent) toward Trump.  Will be interesting to see if/how this persists as this crisis continues to unfold - and also particularly important when it comes to certain key states that have demographics that could exaggerate the effects of this kind of shift.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/09/us/politics/trump-older-voters-2020.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/22/upshot/polls-biden-trump-election.html
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Re: Coronavirus is the End of Trump
« Reply #639 on: May 10, 2020, 08:30:00 AM »
The government can tell me what I can and can't do with my own uterus but apparently telling men to stay home during a global pandemic is several bridges too far.

Well, only one of those affects old white dudes so...

Ding ding ding, we have a winner!

I know exactly what would have happened if all those armed Ted Nugent cosplayers who stormed my state's capitol last week were a few shades darker. White privilege in action.

Doubt you'll find much opposition to this nowadays, or lawmakers rushing to change the law because of this.

Armed citizens escort lawmaker into Michigan State Capitol

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Anthony and other lawmakers met this morning for an appropriations committee meeting. The scene was quiet. Anthony’s cadre of Second Amendment advocates had no trouble entering the building. They left to quietly stand on the front steps after Anthony made it inside an elevator.

“We want to change the narrative, first of all. We want people to understand that people of color can come out here with guns just the same as anybody else can,” said Michael Lynn Jr., a black Lansing firefighter and community activist who helped organize Anthony’s security detail.

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Re: Coronavirus is the End of Trump
« Reply #640 on: May 10, 2020, 10:00:14 AM »
The government can tell me what I can and can't do with my own uterus but apparently telling men to stay home during a global pandemic is several bridges too far.

Well, only one of those affects old white dudes so...

Ding ding ding, we have a winner!

I know exactly what would have happened if all those armed Ted Nugent cosplayers who stormed my state's capitol last week were a few shades darker. White privilege in action.

Doubt you'll find much opposition to this nowadays, or lawmakers rushing to change the law because of this.

Armed citizens escort lawmaker into Michigan State Capitol

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Anthony and other lawmakers met this morning for an appropriations committee meeting. The scene was quiet. Anthony’s cadre of Second Amendment advocates had no trouble entering the building. They left to quietly stand on the front steps after Anthony made it inside an elevator.

“We want to change the narrative, first of all. We want people to understand that people of color can come out here with guns just the same as anybody else can,” said Michael Lynn Jr., a black Lansing firefighter and community activist who helped organize Anthony’s security detail.

I am grateful that these men stepped up to protect her. I hate that it is necessary at all. And I sincerely hope that nothing happens to these men, as we've all seen that the shooting of even unarmed black men in this country is all too easily justified by law enforcement.

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Re: Coronavirus is the End of Trump
« Reply #641 on: May 10, 2020, 10:14:25 AM »
The government can tell me what I can and can't do with my own uterus but apparently telling men to stay home during a global pandemic is several bridges too far.

Well, only one of those affects old white dudes so...

Ding ding ding, we have a winner!

I know exactly what would have happened if all those armed Ted Nugent cosplayers who stormed my state's capitol last week were a few shades darker. White privilege in action.

Doubt you'll find much opposition to this nowadays, or lawmakers rushing to change the law because of this.

Armed citizens escort lawmaker into Michigan State Capitol

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Anthony and other lawmakers met this morning for an appropriations committee meeting. The scene was quiet. Anthony’s cadre of Second Amendment advocates had no trouble entering the building. They left to quietly stand on the front steps after Anthony made it inside an elevator.

“We want to change the narrative, first of all. We want people to understand that people of color can come out here with guns just the same as anybody else can,” said Michael Lynn Jr., a black Lansing firefighter and community activist who helped organize Anthony’s security detail.

I am grateful that these men stepped up to protect her. I hate that it is necessary at all. And I sincerely hope that nothing happens to these men, as we've all seen that the shooting of even unarmed black men in this country is all too easily justified by law enforcement.

+1.  The fact that these particular black men were able to do something in this instance that white men can do every day of the week is notable for exactly how rare it is.  We all know those men were taking much more risk than any of the white men protesting with guns were.  Just because they survived it this time doesn't mean anything has actually changed. 

 

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