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Re: Coronavirus is the End of Trump
« Reply #150 on: March 17, 2020, 05:27:19 PM »
^  Here's another one:  And his presser today Trump said he knew this was going to be a pandemic long before it was actually a pandemic, despite volumnous tweets to the contrary.   

Think of the brass it takes to lie like that. 

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« Reply #151 on: March 17, 2020, 05:43:24 PM »
Wow...that's a new level of bravado.

And soon he will say that he gave everybody money to help them through the crisis. Nice way to buy votes.

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« Reply #152 on: March 17, 2020, 06:30:02 PM »
I approve of this.  In a recession you need people to spend money.   Tax cuts for the wealthy don't help.   

In other news, the dipshits at Fox News it isn't a hoax after all and went from downplaying the threat to championing Trump's courageous actions in the face of adversity.

It must be hard to think of ways to be a bigger hypocrite than you were the day before everyday, but those guys are awfully good at it. 

I can't wait to hear how Rush "this is the common cold, folks!" Limbaugh walks his load of BS back. 


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« Reply #153 on: March 17, 2020, 06:55:29 PM »


I can't wait to hear how Rush "this is the common cold, folks!" Limbaugh walks his load of BS back.

Rush was already a dead man walking, he isn't likely to be alive in 4 months.  Ditto a fair number of other aged reality denial enthusiasts.

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« Reply #154 on: March 17, 2020, 07:37:14 PM »


I can't wait to hear how Rush "this is the common cold, folks!" Limbaugh walks his load of BS back.

Rush was already a dead man walking, he isn't likely to be alive in 4 months.  Ditto a fair number of other aged reality denial enthusiasts.

Fewer old angry white men spewing hate might be the only silver lining to this whole covid thing.

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« Reply #155 on: March 18, 2020, 02:21:21 AM »
4. The advantage they had in healthcare is dwindling. Running on socialized healthcare is going to get smacked with images of Italy abandoning people to die.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/12/world/europe/12italy-coronavirus-health-care.html

LOL are you serious? Italy is testing and treating everyone that they possibly can. Even if you offered to pay more for treatment privately you couldn't get it because there's simply not enough equipment (ventilators) in the world. Do you really want rich ass dementia ridden 80 year olds on ventilators for months, which might each stop 10 people aged 30-40 with kids at home getting treatment? That's the choice Italy is making

Your people cannot even get tested because there are not enough testing kits, or they cannot afford to get tested because the resulting medical bill will bankrupt them.

In your health system you will still end up dead. It won't even get to the point of deciding on treatments because you'll be dead before that. And you might take down a few more people with you because you couldn't get tested in the first place to know whether you had it or not.
« Last Edit: March 18, 2020, 02:25:03 AM by marty998 »

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Re: Coronavirus is the End of Trump
« Reply #156 on: March 18, 2020, 05:59:06 AM »
4. The advantage they had in healthcare is dwindling. Running on socialized healthcare is going to get smacked with images of Italy abandoning people to die.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/12/world/europe/12italy-coronavirus-health-care.html

LOL are you serious? Italy is testing and treating everyone that they possibly can. Even if you offered to pay more for treatment privately you couldn't get it because there's simply not enough equipment (ventilators) in the world. Do you really want rich ass dementia ridden 80 year olds on ventilators for months, which might each stop 10 people aged 30-40 with kids at home getting treatment? That's the choice Italy is making

Your people cannot even get tested because there are not enough testing kits, or they cannot afford to get tested because the resulting medical bill will bankrupt them.

In your health system you will still end up dead. It won't even get to the point of deciding on treatments because you'll be dead before that. And you might take down a few more people with you because you couldn't get tested in the first place to know whether you had it or not.

Exactly. All the people who brag the US healthcare system is the best in the world are in for a rude awakening when it collapses under the weight of this problem.

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Re: Coronavirus is the End of Trump
« Reply #157 on: March 18, 2020, 06:05:42 AM »
4. The advantage they had in healthcare is dwindling. Running on socialized healthcare is going to get smacked with images of Italy abandoning people to die.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/12/world/europe/12italy-coronavirus-health-care.html

LOL are you serious? Italy is testing and treating everyone that they possibly can. Even if you offered to pay more for treatment privately you couldn't get it because there's simply not enough equipment (ventilators) in the world. Do you really want rich ass dementia ridden 80 year olds on ventilators for months, which might each stop 10 people aged 30-40 with kids at home getting treatment? That's the choice Italy is making

Your people cannot even get tested because there are not enough testing kits, or they cannot afford to get tested because the resulting medical bill will bankrupt them.

In your health system you will still end up dead. It won't even get to the point of deciding on treatments because you'll be dead before that. And you might take down a few more people with you because you couldn't get tested in the first place to know whether you had it or not.

Exactly. All the people who brag the US healthcare system is the best in the world are in for a rude awakening when it collapses under the weight of this problem.

Who in their right mind thinks the USA has the best healthcare system in the world???

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Re: Coronavirus is the End of Trump
« Reply #158 on: March 18, 2020, 06:07:33 AM »
4. The advantage they had in healthcare is dwindling. Running on socialized healthcare is going to get smacked with images of Italy abandoning people to die.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/12/world/europe/12italy-coronavirus-health-care.html

LOL are you serious? Italy is testing and treating everyone that they possibly can. Even if you offered to pay more for treatment privately you couldn't get it because there's simply not enough equipment (ventilators) in the world. Do you really want rich ass dementia ridden 80 year olds on ventilators for months, which might each stop 10 people aged 30-40 with kids at home getting treatment? That's the choice Italy is making

Your people cannot even get tested because there are not enough testing kits, or they cannot afford to get tested because the resulting medical bill will bankrupt them.

In your health system you will still end up dead. It won't even get to the point of deciding on treatments because you'll be dead before that. And you might take down a few more people with you because you couldn't get tested in the first place to know whether you had it or not.

Exactly. All the people who brag the US healthcare system is the best in the world are in for a rude awakening when it collapses under the weight of this problem.

Who in their right mind thinks the USA has the best healthcare system in the world???

Many, many Americans.

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Re: Coronavirus is the End of Trump
« Reply #159 on: March 18, 2020, 06:12:51 AM »
4. The advantage they had in healthcare is dwindling. Running on socialized healthcare is going to get smacked with images of Italy abandoning people to die.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/12/world/europe/12italy-coronavirus-health-care.html

LOL are you serious? Italy is testing and treating everyone that they possibly can. Even if you offered to pay more for treatment privately you couldn't get it because there's simply not enough equipment (ventilators) in the world. Do you really want rich ass dementia ridden 80 year olds on ventilators for months, which might each stop 10 people aged 30-40 with kids at home getting treatment? That's the choice Italy is making

Your people cannot even get tested because there are not enough testing kits, or they cannot afford to get tested because the resulting medical bill will bankrupt them.

In your health system you will still end up dead. It won't even get to the point of deciding on treatments because you'll be dead before that. And you might take down a few more people with you because you couldn't get tested in the first place to know whether you had it or not.

Exactly. All the people who brag the US healthcare system is the best in the world are in for a rude awakening when it collapses under the weight of this problem.

Who in their right mind thinks the USA has the best healthcare system in the world???

Many, many Americans.

These may be the same americans that have never traveled anywhere and only watch/read american news channels? It's bizarre to me that it's such an inward looking culture. New York is the greatest city in the world? Heard of Tokyo by any chance?

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Re: Coronavirus is the End of Trump
« Reply #160 on: March 18, 2020, 06:14:46 AM »
4. The advantage they had in healthcare is dwindling. Running on socialized healthcare is going to get smacked with images of Italy abandoning people to die.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/12/world/europe/12italy-coronavirus-health-care.html

LOL are you serious? Italy is testing and treating everyone that they possibly can. Even if you offered to pay more for treatment privately you couldn't get it because there's simply not enough equipment (ventilators) in the world. Do you really want rich ass dementia ridden 80 year olds on ventilators for months, which might each stop 10 people aged 30-40 with kids at home getting treatment? That's the choice Italy is making

Your people cannot even get tested because there are not enough testing kits, or they cannot afford to get tested because the resulting medical bill will bankrupt them.

In your health system you will still end up dead. It won't even get to the point of deciding on treatments because you'll be dead before that. And you might take down a few more people with you because you couldn't get tested in the first place to know whether you had it or not.
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Italy isn't abandoning people because they can't afford healthcare. It's due to a critical shortage of triage centers, supplies, staff etc. Funny how folks can see the same scenario two different ways. I see the opposite happening. The fact that the US has to include free testing in a bill is idiotic. And how about the uninsured? With the economic fallout for already cash strapped and largely under-insured/uninsured Americans what do you think this means? They are far less likely to seek treatment thus exacerbating the pandemic. There is a reason countries like Denmark are telling their folks to leave the US. The Italian healthcare system may be overwhelmed, but at least they don't have to worry about payment. Wait until the medical bills start rolling out in the US.   

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Re: Coronavirus is the End of Trump
« Reply #161 on: March 18, 2020, 06:18:15 AM »
4. The advantage they had in healthcare is dwindling. Running on socialized healthcare is going to get smacked with images of Italy abandoning people to die.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/12/world/europe/12italy-coronavirus-health-care.html

LOL are you serious? Italy is testing and treating everyone that they possibly can. Even if you offered to pay more for treatment privately you couldn't get it because there's simply not enough equipment (ventilators) in the world. Do you really want rich ass dementia ridden 80 year olds on ventilators for months, which might each stop 10 people aged 30-40 with kids at home getting treatment? That's the choice Italy is making

Your people cannot even get tested because there are not enough testing kits, or they cannot afford to get tested because the resulting medical bill will bankrupt them.

In your health system you will still end up dead. It won't even get to the point of deciding on treatments because you'll be dead before that. And you might take down a few more people with you because you couldn't get tested in the first place to know whether you had it or not.

Exactly. All the people who brag the US healthcare system is the best in the world are in for a rude awakening when it collapses under the weight of this problem.

Who in their right mind thinks the USA has the best healthcare system in the world???

Many, many Americans.

These may be the same americans that have never traveled anywhere and only watch/read american news channels? It's bizarre to me that it's such an inward looking culture. New York is the greatest city in the world? Heard of Tokyo by any chance?

Yes we are a very inward-looking country, particularly those who are stuck in the “Fox News” version of reality. In that world everything foreign is suspect. Particularly the evil socialized health care found  in every other first-world country.
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Re: Coronavirus is the End of Trump
« Reply #163 on: March 18, 2020, 06:39:45 AM »
4. The advantage they had in healthcare is dwindling. Running on socialized healthcare is going to get smacked with images of Italy abandoning people to die.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/12/world/europe/12italy-coronavirus-health-care.html

LOL are you serious? Italy is testing and treating everyone that they possibly can. Even if you offered to pay more for treatment privately you couldn't get it because there's simply not enough equipment (ventilators) in the world. Do you really want rich ass dementia ridden 80 year olds on ventilators for months, which might each stop 10 people aged 30-40 with kids at home getting treatment? That's the choice Italy is making

Your people cannot even get tested because there are not enough testing kits, or they cannot afford to get tested because the resulting medical bill will bankrupt them.

In your health system you will still end up dead. It won't even get to the point of deciding on treatments because you'll be dead before that. And you might take down a few more people with you because you couldn't get tested in the first place to know whether you had it or not.

Exactly. All the people who brag the US healthcare system is the best in the world are in for a rude awakening when it collapses under the weight of this problem.

Who in their right mind thinks the USA has the best healthcare system in the world???

Many, many Americans.

These may be the same americans that have never traveled anywhere and only watch/read american news channels? It's bizarre to me that it's such an inward looking culture. New York is the greatest city in the world? Heard of Tokyo by any chance?

Yes we are a very inward-looking country, particularly those who are stuck in the “Fox News” version of reality. In that world everything foreign is suspect. Particularly the evil socialized health care found  in every other first-world country.

I know, I sometimes go and have a look at Fox News, just for the entertainment factor. You have some very strange people allotted air time. That Trish Regan woman is a wee bit insane, like there's actually something wrong with the poor lady's brain. I get most of my news from BBC or Al Jazeera, the american stuff from the Washington Post and NY Times sites. I find even CNN quite bizarrely US-centric. NZ news is quite different. Our news in mainly what's happening in other countries (particularly how other countries are reacting to NZ), plus a few local issues, and at least one 'cow found wandering Auckland' or 'crashed truck spills beer all over road, locals upset' or 'feline burglar that we regularly report on is now stealing kid's soft toys' type of story. What can I say? We're a little wee country!

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Re: Coronavirus is the End of Trump
« Reply #164 on: March 18, 2020, 07:01:52 AM »
New York is the greatest city in the world? Heard of Tokyo by any chance?

Now you’ve gone too far! Take that back! 😉

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Re: Coronavirus is the End of Trump
« Reply #165 on: March 18, 2020, 07:11:35 AM »
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-supercut-coronavirus-lies_n_5e713d64c5b63c3b64866869

If Bloomberg can just drop a billion dollars to have this play on every TV between now and November that'd be great, thanks.
Here's a link to the video itself, it is indeed quite damning: https://youtu.be/xfPk1HIBLfM


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Re: Coronavirus is the End of Trump
« Reply #166 on: March 18, 2020, 07:25:20 AM »
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-supercut-coronavirus-lies_n_5e713d64c5b63c3b64866869

If Bloomberg can just drop a billion dollars to have this play on every TV between now and November that'd be great, thanks.
Here's a link to the video itself, it is indeed quite damning: https://youtu.be/xfPk1HIBLfM

And it was shared by the official CDC account? Interesting
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« Reply #167 on: March 18, 2020, 07:49:38 AM »
And it was shared by the official CDC account? Intereesting

No, Youtube is automatically adding that CDC link (for US-based viewers) on any videos that mention Coronavirus/COVID in an effort to combat misinformation:
https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/9777243?p=covid19_updates&visit_id=637201360834502601-3054744073&rd=1

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We’re committed to providing timely and helpful information at this critical time, including raising up authoritative sources in search and recommendations and showing information panels, linking to locally relevant sources like WHO, on relevant videos. We will also continue to quickly remove videos that violate our policies when they are flagged, including those that discourage people from seeking medical treatment or claim harmful substances have health benefits. Finding trustworthy content is especially critical as news is breaking, and we’ll continue to make sure YouTube delivers accurate information for our users.

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Re: Coronavirus is the End of Trump
« Reply #168 on: March 18, 2020, 07:58:20 AM »
4. The advantage they had in healthcare is dwindling. Running on socialized healthcare is going to get smacked with images of Italy abandoning people to die.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/12/world/europe/12italy-coronavirus-health-care.html

LOL are you serious? Italy is testing and treating everyone that they possibly can. Even if you offered to pay more for treatment privately you couldn't get it because there's simply not enough equipment (ventilators) in the world. Do you really want rich ass dementia ridden 80 year olds on ventilators for months, which might each stop 10 people aged 30-40 with kids at home getting treatment? That's the choice Italy is making

Your people cannot even get tested because there are not enough testing kits, or they cannot afford to get tested because the resulting medical bill will bankrupt them.

In your health system you will still end up dead. It won't even get to the point of deciding on treatments because you'll be dead before that. And you might take down a few more people with you because you couldn't get tested in the first place to know whether you had it or not.

Exactly. All the people who brag the US healthcare system is the best in the world are in for a rude awakening when it collapses under the weight of this problem.

Who in their right mind thinks the USA has the best healthcare system in the world???

Many, many Americans.

These may be the same americans that have never traveled anywhere and only watch/read american news channels? It's bizarre to me that it's such an inward looking culture. New York is the greatest city in the world? Heard of Tokyo by any chance?

Yes we are a very inward-looking country, particularly those who are stuck in the “Fox News” version of reality. In that world everything foreign is suspect. Particularly the evil socialized health care found  in every other first-world country.

I know, I sometimes go and have a look at Fox News, just for the entertainment factor. You have some very strange people allotted air time. That Trish Regan woman is a wee bit insane, like there's actually something wrong with the poor lady's brain. I get most of my news from BBC or Al Jazeera, the american stuff from the Washington Post and NY Times sites. I find even CNN quite bizarrely US-centric. NZ news is quite different. Our news in mainly what's happening in other countries (particularly how other countries are reacting to NZ), plus a few local issues, and at least one 'cow found wandering Auckland' or 'crashed truck spills beer all over road, locals upset' or 'feline burglar that we regularly report on is now stealing kid's soft toys' type of story. What can I say? We're a little wee country!

Fox News is absolute trash. The 24-hour “news” channels are basically televised tabloids, as far as I can tell (haven’t had cable television in years). I get news from NY Times, Reuters, BBC, NPR, and a couple of state and local papers.

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Re: Coronavirus is the End of Trump
« Reply #169 on: March 18, 2020, 09:05:13 AM »
4. The advantage they had in healthcare is dwindling. Running on socialized healthcare is going to get smacked with images of Italy abandoning people to die.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/12/world/europe/12italy-coronavirus-health-care.html

LOL are you serious? Italy is testing and treating everyone that they possibly can. Even if you offered to pay more for treatment privately you couldn't get it because there's simply not enough equipment (ventilators) in the world. Do you really want rich ass dementia ridden 80 year olds on ventilators for months, which might each stop 10 people aged 30-40 with kids at home getting treatment? That's the choice Italy is making

Your people cannot even get tested because there are not enough testing kits, or they cannot afford to get tested because the resulting medical bill will bankrupt them.

In your health system you will still end up dead. It won't even get to the point of deciding on treatments because you'll be dead before that. And you might take down a few more people with you because you couldn't get tested in the first place to know whether you had it or not.

Exactly. All the people who brag the US healthcare system is the best in the world are in for a rude awakening when it collapses under the weight of this problem.

Who in their right mind thinks the USA has the best healthcare system in the world???

Many, many Americans.

These may be the same americans that have never traveled anywhere and only watch/read american news channels? It's bizarre to me that it's such an inward looking culture. New York is the greatest city in the world? Heard of Tokyo by any chance?


https://www.forbes.com/sites/lealane/2019/05/02/percentage-of-americans-who-never-traveled-beyond-the-state-where-they-were-born-a-surprise/#504796de2898

In a country as huge and diverse as ours, there ends up being a huge chunk of the population that never or rarely travels beyond U.S. borders.  Also, for poorer people without cable or internet, they wouldn't have access to more than a handful of basic news channels beyond whatever is broadcast on their local city or town's tv station, let alone international channels and news.  ETA: Or access to any travel, either. My husband and I have parents who fit into the latter category.  No smart phones, no internet, no cable. B/C no money.
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Re: Coronavirus is the End of Trump
« Reply #170 on: March 18, 2020, 09:21:18 AM »
Lest anybody look down upon those who don't travel . . . it's all the fuckers jet-setting around the world who inflicted this plague upon us.  Without them it would have died out locally.  :P

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« Reply #171 on: March 18, 2020, 09:26:45 AM »
Lest anybody look down upon those who don't travel . . . it's all the fuckers jet-setting around the world who inflicted this plague upon us.  Without them it would have died out locally.  :P

YEAH!  SCREW YOU AREBELSPY!

(just teasing!) 

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Re: Coronavirus is the End of Trump
« Reply #172 on: March 18, 2020, 11:47:47 AM »
It will be interesting to see, when Trump loses in November, how quickly his republican sycophants (politicians and Fox News cheerleaders included) will rush to abandon him. The rats will be fleeing the Trump ship.

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« Reply #173 on: March 18, 2020, 12:17:37 PM »
Lest anybody look down upon those who don't travel . . . it's all the fuckers jet-setting around the world who inflicted this plague upon us.  Without them it would have died out locally.  :P

Nah, it happened like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqCVB0tOSVQ&t=20

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Re: Coronavirus is the End of Trump
« Reply #174 on: March 18, 2020, 02:06:11 PM »
It will be interesting to see, when Trump loses in November, how quickly his republican sycophants (politicians and Fox News cheerleaders included) will rush to abandon him. The rats will be fleeing the Trump ship.

Trump's loss is in NO WAY guaranteed in November (as much as I would like it to be). I suggest you temper that attitude lest we repeat 2016.

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« Reply #175 on: March 18, 2020, 02:10:14 PM »
It will be interesting to see, when Trump loses in November, how quickly his republican sycophants (politicians and Fox News cheerleaders included) will rush to abandon him. The rats will be fleeing the Trump ship.

Trump's loss is in NO WAY guaranteed in November (as much as I would like it to be). I suggest you temper that attitude lest we repeat 2016.


He stands no chance of winning.

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« Reply #176 on: March 18, 2020, 02:11:51 PM »
Really? Not even if he cheats?

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Re: Coronavirus is the End of Trump
« Reply #177 on: March 18, 2020, 02:23:48 PM »
I second the opinion that King Drumpf's loss is in no way guaranteed.

This is a godsend opportunity to suppress voter turnout. You think Republicans are going to let go of that?
 
When Ohio's primary was rescheduled - I felt sad. US had organized elections through the civil war, spanish flu and everything else. It seems now democracy is becoming expendable.
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Re: Coronavirus is the End of Trump
« Reply #178 on: March 18, 2020, 02:31:30 PM »
I second the opinion that King Drumpf's loss is in no way guaranteed.

This is a godsend opportunity to suppress voter turnout. You think Republicans are going to let go of that?
 
When Ohio's primary was rescheduled - I felt sad. US had organized elections through the civil war, spanish flu and everything else. It seems now democracy is becoming expendable.


Primaries are run on the state level and aren't even mandated by law.  The federal election is a different story.

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« Reply #179 on: March 18, 2020, 02:52:45 PM »
He stands no chance of winning.

I said the same thing about him in 2016, twice.

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Re: Coronavirus is the End of Trump
« Reply #180 on: March 18, 2020, 03:07:24 PM »
He stands no chance of winning.

I said the same thing about him in 2016, twice.

Yup. I said that Brexit would never pass and that Trump would never get elected.

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« Reply #181 on: March 18, 2020, 03:19:36 PM »
He stands no chance of winning.

I said the same thing about him in 2016, twice.

Yup. I said that Brexit would never pass and that Trump would never get elected.


No one, and I mean NO ONE who voted against him in 2016 will have been persuaded to vote for him in 2020 after the disaster of his presidency.  And his demographic of angry old white dudes has been, let's just say, actuarially challenged in the last 4 years.   

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Re: Coronavirus is the End of Trump
« Reply #182 on: March 18, 2020, 03:26:58 PM »
No one, and I mean NO ONE who voted against him in 2016 will have been persuaded to vote for him in 2020 after the disaster of his presidency

Judges, borrowing to fund billionaire welfare - these are things the right love.

Did you keep a tab of how the "never Trumper" ranks thinned on the republican side?

Let's just say there was a non-zero set of right-wingers who disliked the pu**y grabbing, but loved the borrow-from-kids-for-billionaire-welfare economic playbook. They would, and many of them *did* convert.

And his demographic of angry old white dudes has been, let's just say, actuarially challenged in the last 4 years.

Actuarial challange will show up in senate seats and state governorships someday. 2020 - I'm not quite sure. We can talk once Texas flips - sometime in late 2020's or early 2030's.

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Re: Coronavirus is the End of Trump
« Reply #183 on: March 18, 2020, 04:17:25 PM »

Did you keep a tab of how the "never Trumper" ranks thinned on the republican side?

Let's just say there was a non-zero set of right-wingers who disliked the pu**y grabbing, but loved the borrow-from-kids-for-billionaire-welfare economic playbook. They would, and many of them *did* convert.

I don't have any hard data but I can't believe there was any significant number of "never Trumper" republicans who voted for Hillary in 2016.  They all fell in line because they hated her so much. 

I honestly don't know where Trump can pick up votes since the 2016 election, which I'll remind you, he lost.

Given the outrages of the past 3+ years, it'll be a landslide against him.
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Re: Coronavirus is the End of Trump
« Reply #184 on: March 18, 2020, 04:30:46 PM »
Yes we are a very inward-looking country, particularly those who are stuck in the “Fox News” version of reality. In that world everything foreign is suspect. Particularly the evil socialized health care found  in every other first-world country.

Here is a supercut of Fox News Hosts downplaying the situation.  Then soberly explaing how serious it is.  Hilarity ensues:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifKbwDf51bA

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Re: Coronavirus is the End of Trump
« Reply #185 on: March 18, 2020, 04:33:09 PM »
He stands no chance of winning.

I said the same thing about him in 2016, twice.

Yup. I said that Brexit would never pass and that Trump would never get elected.


No one, and I mean NO ONE who voted against him in 2016 will have been persuaded to vote for him in 2020 after the disaster of his presidency.  And his demographic of angry old white dudes has been, let's just say, actuarially challenged in the last 4 years.

That's a fantasy.  Tax cuts, judges, Supreme Court...those things alone will have brought some people over.

I mentioned my independent-voter father upthread.  It's true that he voted for Trump, and in THIS election (presuming the Dem were Biden or Bloomberg), he insists he won't make that mistake again, and regularly wishes a variety of painful deaths on Trump. You would think this would hearten me as to Trump's nonviability next November.

HOWEVER, let us rewind to 2004, when I was absolutely CERTAIN that no wishy washy independent voters would possibly lean into a second term for W (at that point the biggest fuck up of a president of the modern era), esp given the centrist, non-threatening, very experienced John Kerry as an opponent.  But....surprise...they did!

I have been utterly disgusted with American voters ever since, but I will never overestimate their judgement again. An guess what my father did in THAT election?  He voted for Al Gore in 2000 b/c he thought Bush was a 'lightweight', BUT THEN VOTED FOR BUSH IN 2004, DESPITE ADMITTING TO ME HE LIKED KERRY FINE!  You know why? Small government, tax cuts, strong military blah blah blah blah.  About 6 months after THAT vote, Dad was bemoaning it as the worst vote of his life (which it was, until his vote for Trump, obvs).

Now, you can judge my father to have extremely poor political instincts, and I'd be the first to agree. But he isn't actually stupid (he graduated from college, was extremely successful building and running a small business, was a self made millionaire, and is a MMM, frugal, practical sort who would love Pete's philosophy in many ways.)

Yet he still made these two votes, against all apparent logic. B/C: State and local rights, military funding, tax cuts, conservative judges, etc.

I think Trump's odds of winning re-election have shrunk to just under even, if the recession bites down and holds.  But after 2004, I will never underestimate the probability of seemingly insane voter decisions. And certainly not after 2012.
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Re: Coronavirus is the End of Trump
« Reply #186 on: March 18, 2020, 04:37:25 PM »


That's a fantasy.  Tax cuts, judges, Supreme Court...those things alone will have brought some people over.

Brought people over from where, though?  Anyone who is persuaded by those things would have voted for him in 2016.  That's kind of my point, the right-wingers circled their wagons around Trump in 2016.  I don't see where any new wagons would come from in the past 4 years???

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Re: Coronavirus is the End of Trump
« Reply #187 on: March 18, 2020, 05:01:00 PM »


That's a fantasy.  Tax cuts, judges, Supreme Court...those things alone will have brought some people over.

Brought people over from where, though?  Anyone who is persuaded by those things would have voted for him in 2016.  That's kind of my point, the right-wingers circled their wagons around Trump in 2016.  I don't see where any new wagons would come from in the past 4 years???

Here's hoping.  Like I said, I never trust voters to make what appears to be a logical decision.

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Re: Coronavirus is the End of Trump
« Reply #188 on: March 18, 2020, 05:08:02 PM »
I honestly don't expect Trump to lose in November. I do hope that the good people of Kentucky will finally tell Mitch McConnell to fuck off.

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Re: Coronavirus is the End of Trump
« Reply #189 on: March 18, 2020, 05:34:07 PM »

Did you keep a tab of how the "never Trumper" ranks thinned on the republican side?

Let's just say there was a non-zero set of right-wingers who disliked the pu**y grabbing, but loved the borrow-from-kids-for-billionaire-welfare economic playbook. They would, and many of them *did* convert.

I don't have any hard data but I can't believe there was any significant number of "never Trumper" republicans who voted for Hillary in 2016.  They all fell in line because they hated her so much. 

I honestly don't know where Trump can pick up votes since the 2016 election, which I'll remind you, he lost.

Given the outrages of the past 3+ years, it'll be a landslide against him.

He could lose again, even bigger, and yet still win.  There are definitely likely scenarios folks like 538 have been looking at that show Trump winning the electoral college with an even bigger gap - like losing the popular vote by 5 or 6 million.  We all need to move to MI, PA or WI....

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Re: Coronavirus is the End of Trump
« Reply #190 on: March 18, 2020, 05:49:41 PM »
Starting point: any state with a GOP secretary of State Trump wins. They will find a way.

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Re: Coronavirus is the End of Trump
« Reply #191 on: March 18, 2020, 05:57:09 PM »

Did you keep a tab of how the "never Trumper" ranks thinned on the republican side?

Let's just say there was a non-zero set of right-wingers who disliked the pu**y grabbing, but loved the borrow-from-kids-for-billionaire-welfare economic playbook. They would, and many of them *did* convert.

I don't have any hard data but I can't believe there was any significant number of "never Trumper" republicans who voted for Hillary in 2016.  They all fell in line because they hated her so much. 

I honestly don't know where Trump can pick up votes since the 2016 election, which I'll remind you, he lost.

Given the outrages of the past 3+ years, it'll be a landslide against him.

He could lose again, even bigger, and yet still win.  There are definitely likely scenarios folks like 538 have been looking at that show Trump winning the electoral college with an even bigger gap - like losing the popular vote by 5 or 6 million.  We all need to move to MI, PA or WI....

Please move here and vote!

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Re: Coronavirus is the End of Trump
« Reply #192 on: March 18, 2020, 06:21:59 PM »
I honestly don't expect Trump to lose in November.

I expect him to lose because he annoys so many people including people who don't live in America.

A candidate's likability matters a lot.

Will I be shocked if  he is reelected?

No.
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Re: Coronavirus is the End of Trump
« Reply #193 on: March 18, 2020, 06:48:19 PM »
I expect him to lose because he's dangerously unfit for the job who has also been proven to be both wildly corrupt, ignorant of the basics required for his work, and a terrible leader.  And in my world, those are not the qualities you look for in the guy you put in charge.  But the US proved me wrong once on that front already . . . so . . .

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Re: Coronavirus is the End of Trump
« Reply #194 on: March 18, 2020, 07:12:35 PM »
I expect him to lose because he's dangerously unfit for the job who has also been proven to be both wildly corrupt, ignorant of the basics required for his work, and a terrible leader.  And in my world, those are not the qualities you look for in the guy you put in charge.  But the US proved me wrong once on that front already . . . so . . .

I expect him to win for the same reasons you describe. People in the States love that - he ain't no regular politician!

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Re: Coronavirus is the End of Trump
« Reply #195 on: March 18, 2020, 07:17:54 PM »
Well, it turns out that competence in leadership actually matters.  Let's see if it matters in an election.

If he lives that long.  >1M dead bodies in the next 3 months could end up with his head on a spike.

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Re: Coronavirus is the End of Trump
« Reply #196 on: March 18, 2020, 07:23:13 PM »
It will be interesting to see, when Trump loses in November, how quickly his republican sycophants (politicians and Fox News cheerleaders included) will rush to abandon him. The rats will be fleeing the Trump ship.

Trump's loss is in NO WAY guaranteed in November (as much as I would like it to be). I suggest you temper that attitude lest we repeat 2016.


He stands no chance of winning.

I’m so far left you can only see me if you’re cool. And I do not agree. Not at all.

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Re: Coronavirus is the End of Trump
« Reply #197 on: March 18, 2020, 07:29:41 PM »
I should clarify that I don't expect him to win, but I'm the guy that said he wouldn't win the first time. Don't trust me, I have a horrible track-record.

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Re: Coronavirus is the End of Trump
« Reply #198 on: March 18, 2020, 07:52:08 PM »
I should clarify that I don't expect him to win, but I'm the guy that said he wouldn't win the first time. Don't trust me, I have a horrible track-record.

~2 years prior to Trump's win I read about a realignment of the electorate  that favored the Democratic Party.

And the polling indicated a win for HRC (not my candidate).

So I thought she would win.

Wrong!

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Re: Coronavirus is the End of Trump
« Reply #199 on: March 19, 2020, 06:10:38 AM »
I don't know if he will win or not, but after the disastrous first term Biden might not have enough time to hammer away at all the lies, unfulfilled promises and shitty stuff he's done during their debates.   

 

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