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« on: February 14, 2019, 11:17:08 AM »
Not sure if anyone has touched on this topic but I am interested in starting a book which includes all the information my husband might need if I should predecease him. He pays no attention to the bills, bank accounts, saving investments, passwords. He is not computer savvy and is totally not interested in trolling the internet or anything to do with computers. Yes, we are baby boomers and he was in the trades which didn't require much computer exposure. I on the other hand worked in an industry that required computers and am comfortable doing on line banking. So, I bought a 3 ring binder with the intention of putting all our affairs in one place. I intend to put all our companies we pay per month like electric bill, oil budget bill, phone bills and everything else. Mostly I am putting the bills into the binder for the account numbers and telephone numbers to contact the companies if need be. I started off a bit excited doing this project but now the novelty has worn off and is becoming a chore. I also want to put all our passwords in one place and initially was going to put them in the binder but now I am thinking a small index file box.

There are so many one off bills that come in each year that are a little hard to track down right now since the bills came last year and I don't have the new ones yet. Like AARP Roadside assistance, Sirius, annual awning service and many others.

In the mean time I have this project laid out all over my dining room table which is a mess with all the junk like hole punch, scissors, tape, pen. So, my goal is to get this project moving again and get the clutter off the table!

I am wondering if anyone else has done this. I am kind of getting overwhelmed with what I thought was going to be an easy project. But if I am overwhelmed and know about all this stuff my husband is going to lose his mind if he gets walloped with all of this stuff. Yes, I know he should be more involved but he isn't and I can't take a pitchfork to him to get interested. Maybe when I get the whole book together we can sit down and discuss it all. At that point I can sit him down with me at the computer to see what I am talking about. I was thinking about doing some screen shots to help guide him thru on line banking. Then I would have him do some transactions.

Any suggestions?

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Re: Book of Information
« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2019, 11:33:26 AM »
Yes, I have done this, but fortunately for me, my husband is computer-savvy. I can imagine how stressful it would be in your situation given that your husband is not so good at the technological side of things. But I think you're doing the right thing. It will take time to get everything together, because just when you think you've gotten everything, some other piece of the equation will come in the mail and you'll realize you need to put that in, too. And then there's the fact that passwords, URLs, etc. sometimes change, so that has to be updated.

Do you have a child or a friend of the family who is computer savvy enough whom you could talk to about helping your husband with this information if you should predecease him? That might be a good thing to have in place as well.

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« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2019, 11:51:25 AM »
Yes, I have done this, but fortunately for me, my husband is computer-savvy. I can imagine how stressful it would be in your situation given that your husband is not so good at the technological side of things. But I think you're doing the right thing. It will take time to get everything together, because just when you think you've gotten everything, some other piece of the equation will come in the mail and you'll realize you need to put that in, too. And then there's the fact that passwords, URLs, etc. sometimes change, so that has to be updated.

Do you have a child or a friend of the family who is computer savvy enough whom you could talk to about helping your husband with this information if you should predecease him? That might be a good thing to have in place as well.

Thanks Kris for responding. No, we have no children and are not close to relatives. We are kind of on an island by ourselves. His younger sister would be the go to person if he were in trouble. She is good on the computer and her job is basically 40 hours on it. We are not that close but she would help out. I know this project is doable and yes, some things will change as time goes on like changing cable providers and other things. Funny how I never give any of this any thought. I just take care of whatever business comes to the house without it being a chore. Even our tax CPA person said the same thing that she takes care of everything and gets annoyed when she is on the phone with a company and they insist to get her husbands permission to speak with her. It was funny, she said she pays all the bills and sounded just like me!

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Re: Book of Information
« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2019, 11:54:17 AM »
Yes, I have done this, but fortunately for me, my husband is computer-savvy. I can imagine how stressful it would be in your situation given that your husband is not so good at the technological side of things. But I think you're doing the right thing. It will take time to get everything together, because just when you think you've gotten everything, some other piece of the equation will come in the mail and you'll realize you need to put that in, too. And then there's the fact that passwords, URLs, etc. sometimes change, so that has to be updated.

Do you have a child or a friend of the family who is computer savvy enough whom you could talk to about helping your husband with this information if you should predecease him? That might be a good thing to have in place as well.

Thanks Kris for responding. No, we have no children and are not close to relatives. We are kind of on an island by ourselves. His younger sister would be the go to person if he were in trouble. She is good on the computer and her job is basically 40 hours on it. We are not that close but she would help out. I know this project is doable and yes, some things will change as time goes on like changing cable providers and other things. Funny how I never give any of this any thought. I just take care of whatever business comes to the house without it being a chore. Even our tax CPA person said the same thing that she takes care of everything and gets annoyed when she is on the phone with a company and they insist to get her husbands permission to speak with her. It was funny, she said she pays all the bills and sounded just like me!

This is me, too. About a year and a half ago I realized my husband would know basically nothing about any of our bills, bank accounts, etc. if I were hit by a car. When he was working (he just retired a couple of weeks ago), he honestly didn't even know when his paydays were, because I was the only one who ever saw the bank account information.

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« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2019, 12:14:12 PM »
Not sure how I became in charge of everything but my husband doesn't have a lot of patience with aggravating things like making phone calls to companies and get forwarded to different departments, get put on hold with atrocious music and then getting someone who doesn't know the answer to the question. I get aggravated too but he would just say screw it. When we had Obama care in CT we ran into a stupid issue that was near to impossible to resolve. I was on the phone with these people and if it isn't their usual list of questions they have no idea how to resolve a problem. I would call them to explain something and they would transfer me to a manager who couldn't do anything. We lost the subsidy for two months which was $1,000 each month. My husband was pissed and said just to cancel the insurance. ARRRGGG, I told him NO, you know as soon as we drop it one of us will get sick. It finally got resolved one day when this person who had some brains solved the problem in 5 minutes. It was a big deal and was scheduled for a hearing until this woman fixed everything. He hates to deal with stuff so I am stuck with it.

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« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2019, 12:20:23 PM »
Not sure how I became in charge of everything but my husband doesn't have a lot of patience with aggravating things like making phone calls to companies and get forwarded to different departments, get put on hold with atrocious music and then getting someone who doesn't know the answer to the question. I get aggravated too but he would just say screw it. When we had Obama care in CT we ran into a stupid issue that was near to impossible to resolve. I was on the phone with these people and if it isn't their usual list of questions they have no idea how to resolve a problem. I would call them to explain something and they would transfer me to a manager who couldn't do anything. We lost the subsidy for two months which was $1,000 each month. My husband was pissed and said just to cancel the insurance. ARRRGGG, I told him NO, you know as soon as we drop it one of us will get sick. It finally got resolved one day when this person who had some brains solved the problem in 5 minutes. It was a big deal and was scheduled for a hearing until this woman fixed everything. He hates to deal with stuff so I am stuck with it.

I think that's basically the crux of it, lol! My husband is extremely intelligent (and good with numbers, too) but there are certain things he hates doing, so they just wouldn't get done if I didn't do them. When I met him, he literally had a milk crate full of mail that was just stuff he threw in there without opening them because he didn't want to deal with it. It was pretty freaking bad. To the point where I actually questioned having a future with him because I envisioned a nightmare of financial difficulty due to his negligence.

Well, thankfully, he was more than happy to have me just call the shots and take care of everything. I couldn't have done this if he was both negligent and stubborn -- I would have had to break off the relationship. But he was a keeper (and thankfully, he made a lot of money so his financial negligence was reparable), so I dealt with it. And many years later, I'm very happy I did. He's grateful as hell to me for taking all of that burden off his shoulders. And I'm a lot less stressed because I know things are getting dealt with, and I don't worry that I'm going to get an envelope in the mail one day saying that we're hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt for something I knew nothing about. It works for us, thankfully.

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« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2019, 12:42:04 PM »
Not sure how I became in charge of everything but my husband doesn't have a lot of patience with aggravating things like making phone calls to companies and get forwarded to different departments, get put on hold with atrocious music and then getting someone who doesn't know the answer to the question. I get aggravated too but he would just say screw it. When we had Obama care in CT we ran into a stupid issue that was near to impossible to resolve. I was on the phone with these people and if it isn't their usual list of questions they have no idea how to resolve a problem. I would call them to explain something and they would transfer me to a manager who couldn't do anything. We lost the subsidy for two months which was $1,000 each month. My husband was pissed and said just to cancel the insurance. ARRRGGG, I told him NO, you know as soon as we drop it one of us will get sick. It finally got resolved one day when this person who had some brains solved the problem in 5 minutes. It was a big deal and was scheduled for a hearing until this woman fixed everything. He hates to deal with stuff so I am stuck with it.

I think that's basically the crux of it, lol! My husband is extremely intelligent (and good with numbers, too) but there are certain things he hates doing, so they just wouldn't get done if I didn't do them. When I met him, he literally had a milk crate full of mail that was just stuff he threw in there without opening them because he didn't want to deal with it. It was pretty freaking bad. To the point where I actually questioned having a future with him because I envisioned a nightmare of financial difficulty due to his negligence.

Well, thankfully, he was more than happy to have me just call the shots and take care of everything. I couldn't have done this if he was both negligent and stubborn -- I would have had to break off the relationship. But he was a keeper (and thankfully, he made a lot of money so his financial negligence was reparable), so I dealt with it. And many years later, I'm very happy I did. He's grateful as hell to me for taking all of that burden off his shoulders. And I'm a lot less stressed because I know things are getting dealt with, and I don't worry that I'm going to get an envelope in the mail one day saying that we're hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt for something I knew nothing about. It works for us, thankfully.

Kris, a lot of what you say is my story too. My husband does so many physical things like taking care of the cars, mowing, weed whacking, snow blowing, breaking up ice, taking care of his equipment and very generous and kind. So, as much as I wish he would take more interest in this stuff, I also have no interest in some of what he does that is necessary too! He has been retired for almost 4 years now and made good money when he worked. If I had not been there, to be much more frugal than him, we never would have saved what we did. He recognizes that. He came from a very dysfunctional family of stupid spenders making stupid purchases that they could not afford then getting their electricity turned off, no heating oil for the house but they had money to buy stupid extravagant things and eat at a local diner every night of the week. Even diner dinners add up at the end of the month! My husband made it very clear to me that he never wanted to get a notice in the mail or phone calls that we were behind on bills. He went thru enough of that shit as a kid.

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« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2019, 10:00:53 AM »
Hmmm, I'm single. so maybe I have no right to comment on this, but I will anyway!  I can understand why you feel that your husband does lots of other things that make up for his lack of financial management, but then, those are all things that COULD be hired out.  You can't hire out the type of work you're doing around around finances.  It's one thing if you die and he's left with it all, but what if you're just ill or no longer mentally competent enough, could you deal with with him needing to ask a million questions to figure it all out?  If not, you might want to start him off slowly now until he's at least contributing to this chore and understanding the process of keeping all those balls in the air.  Just my 2 cents.  But you have made me think about doing a similar info package on my own stuff for those who would be left with the responsibility of handling my affairs.

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« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2019, 10:12:01 AM »
Yes, I have done this, but fortunately for me, my husband is computer-savvy. I can imagine how stressful it would be in your situation given that your husband is not so good at the technological side of things. But I think you're doing the right thing. It will take time to get everything together, because just when you think you've gotten everything, some other piece of the equation will come in the mail and you'll realize you need to put that in, too. And then there's the fact that passwords, URLs, etc. sometimes change, so that has to be updated.

Do you have a child or a friend of the family who is computer savvy enough whom you could talk to about helping your husband with this information if you should predecease him? That might be a good thing to have in place as well.

Thanks Kris for responding. No, we have no children and are not close to relatives. We are kind of on an island by ourselves. His younger sister would be the go to person if he were in trouble. She is good on the computer and her job is basically 40 hours on it. We are not that close but she would help out. I know this project is doable and yes, some things will change as time goes on like changing cable providers and other things. Funny how I never give any of this any thought. I just take care of whatever business comes to the house without it being a chore. Even our tax CPA person said the same thing that she takes care of everything and gets annoyed when she is on the phone with a company and they insist to get her husbands permission to speak with her. It was funny, she said she pays all the bills and sounded just like me!

This is me, too. About a year and a half ago I realized my husband would know basically nothing about any of our bills, bank accounts, etc. if I were hit by a car. When he was working (he just retired a couple of weeks ago), he honestly didn't even know when his paydays were, because I was the only one who ever saw the bank account information.

We are in the same situation.  I really really need to get on this, esp b/c a lot of stuff is automated bill pay with passwords.  At least DH is computer savvy, but he hasn't dealt with money at home in almost 20 years.

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« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2019, 11:01:52 AM »
Hmmm, I'm single. so maybe I have no right to comment on this, but I will anyway!  I can understand why you feel that your husband does lots of other things that make up for his lack of financial management, but then, those are all things that COULD be hired out.  You can't hire out the type of work you're doing around around finances.  It's one thing if you die and he's left with it all, but what if you're just ill or no longer mentally competent enough, could you deal with with him needing to ask a million questions to figure it all out?  If not, you might want to start him off slowly now until he's at least contributing to this chore and understanding the process of keeping all those balls in the air.  Just my 2 cents.  But you have made me think about doing a similar info package on my own stuff for those who would be left with the responsibility of handling my affairs.

Yes, I have discussed this with a single friend of mine. She has an only child (grown son 40 years old) and she said this book is food for thought for her too. It will make it easier for her son to figure out what little things or big things she has going on that he pays no interest in.

Yes, it is going to be a rude awakening for my husband because he has no clue about bills being on autopay, auto transfers and just keeping an eye on balances in our bill pay account for on line banking. I know if anything happened to me, he would revert to paying bills by check. Nothing wrong with that but he would have to straighten out all the automated things first that he has no clue about. I despise using checks and there are still a few I have to make out and that is for Town Taxes, my dog groomer and hairdresser. There are a few others too. You are right to get him on board with this stuff and I plan to do so when I get the book in order so it makes sense to him. I am afraid if the book is half assed he will get frustrated from the get go. This is turning into a bigger chore than I ever expected!

I saw this book on Amazon called something like "I'm Dead, now what". It is a book, spiral bound, that has a lot of categories already printed out so you just fill in the blanks. I went thru the Table of Contents and jotted down some categories that I didn't think of. Then, I became more overwhelmed. However, I am going to keep my book somewhat simple to begin with to avoid throwing the whole project in the dumpster!

I chose a three ring binder for the reasons that I can add paperwork or take out paperwork as needed. The spiral bound book would end up being obsolete after so many years and would have to start from scratch. No way to add or take out pages.  I think three ring binder makes sense. I also bought the tabbed paper dividers and some 3 ring poly envelopes that I can put loose receipts in.

So down the rabbit hole I go!



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« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2019, 12:22:15 PM »
Good for you. I've been thinking about this for years, but never done much about it, because, well...It's work. And a bit morbid. But it could be critically important. My wife would be FI if I died, due to my life insurance policy, but she wouldn't have the first clue how to manage investments, or even where to find them. I handle all bank accounts, investments, insurance policies, etc. It sounds like you're off to a good start. One thing you might consider, that I don't think you've mentioned is a written Investment Policy Statement. This would be a biggie for my wife, so she'd actually know what to do with the life insurance windfall, if it ever came to that. Good luck. Maybe I can finally convince myself to do it, too.

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« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2019, 03:04:55 PM »
Hey I'm that guy! I am the least bit computer Savvy But my DW over time has accumulated a book that sits on my side table with every account and password over like you said the last year. Then whats happened because its like the times when things never work right till they do it right in front of you- when shes not around I started trying stuff and now I can do anything in that book with any account. Took me a year I'd say but now shes grateful she did it and when she wasnt around I didnt have to feel like she was hawking me and I take care of more of the stuff now then she does. So maybe , hes playing some possum because of the unknown.

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« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2019, 03:25:45 PM »
I am glad to see some positive remarks on this endeavor...THE BOOK! Soccerluvof4, I don't think I can get my hub totally interested and engaged as you seem to be but it would be nice to see him with some confidence with it. Bravo to you and to your wife!

Do you have any hints on what helped you in your book? Was there anything in particular that worked for you that might work for me to help my husband?

Mississippi Mudstache, yes, it is a chore and I was getting a little overwhelmed. Now I am just going to plug along doing a little here and there. I worked on it a little today. I think what is important is to get an appropriate size notebook, tab dividers and worksheets (I made some) that fits your needs. I suppose if you just had the notebook you could jam the stuff in and sort it out later but that is kind of double work. Today I found a template for the tabs to give each a name. Here it is if anyone is interested: https://templatehaven.com/avery-5-tab-template/        You have to go midway down the page to find the download.

My current pasword book is atrocious! It is scribbles and cross outs and no rhyme or reason. Just pages in a notebook that are a horrible mess. That was good intentions too but I see the error of my ways. First the book is not a 3 ring binder and I tried to make it more than passowords so it just became a royal mess. I am planning to use a index file so it can be aphabetized and in pencil so I can erase passwords as they change.


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« Reply #13 on: February 15, 2019, 04:42:11 PM »
No matter how savvy your spouse is, this should be done.

We have a joint checking account, but since we each have our own login, neither of us can see the other's bill pay address book. He can't pay rent and I can't pay the credit card bills.

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« Reply #14 on: February 15, 2019, 05:03:42 PM »
My husband was killed in a car crash on a Thursday night and on the following Monday my mother and BIL sat me down to try to figure out where I stood financially. It's almost embarrassing to admit I wasn't sure of DH's exact salary amount, how much life insurance there was, where the SS annual report was, where and what type of retirement accounts (beside my own) there were. I'm sure my mother mistook my willful ignorance for complete financial idiocy. My BIL told me that it  I appeared to be the owner of a REIT, but I had no idea what a REIT was. God.  Had I taken a more active role intially, it would have gone much smoother. It was just one of those things that my late husband did and I was happy to not think too much about.

I had a crash course (although unwanted) in financial literacy and have vowed never again. There is still a lot I'm learning 11 years later but I'm on top of it now.

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« Reply #15 on: February 15, 2019, 06:19:02 PM »
Could you have plastic sleeves in the binder, then write account name and password on printouts of your latest paper bill or statement as you encounter them and slip into one of the sleeves?

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« Reply #16 on: February 15, 2019, 06:35:30 PM »
My wife and I have a working version of this. Until a few years ago, I was handling everything, mainly because I read Japanese better than she does. She realized she'd be up a tree if something happened to me, so she brought it up and we shook up our system. Two things simplified the situation:

1. A password manager (we use Lastpass). We each remember one master password that gives us access to all of our online accounts in one place. So now we each have access to everything money-related we do online, and it's all there like a list. If using a computer at all is a no-go, this won't work, but if you can get a person to remember one password (and where to enter it), it might help.

2. A chart for tracking income and expenses, day by day, by hand. We used to track income and expenses only on an Excel spreadsheet on my computer. Now, we write everything down on the chart. At the end of every month, she enters it into the spreadsheet, I check, she double checks, and we discuss. Going analog actually made this system better - we keep the sheets around, so we have a written record of what kinds of expenses usually occur when. Something a surviving spouse can refer to if it comes to that.

Now, she's more in charge of these things than I am, which is great for me because I can focus more on work. But we both have access, and each of us can easily find all the information if and when the SHTF.

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« Reply #17 on: February 16, 2019, 04:07:15 AM »
ixtap Yes, you are right. This is long overdue.  I should have done this years ago. It is one of those things that is just fine till the person who does it is out of the picture or too sick to do it.

calimom So sorry to hear of your loss of your husband and then the double whammy of not knowing anything about your finances. I am afraid that is going to be like my husband too. We do have a financial advisor so he would be set on that stuff. For him it would be on line bill pay and scattered information that he has no clue on until I condense it into THE BOOK!

Poundwise Yes, plastic sleeves would work. I have some I am adding in between the tabbed separators. I say that there are no rules, whatever works for you and your family. Maybe down the road if I ever finish this beast, I will redo it more fancy!

yakamashii That is a good idea on the passwords. I will have to think about that! One thing that I find extremely helpful is our Citi Bank Visa monthly statements. We charge about 95% of our monthly expenses on it and pay it off at the end of the month. I can print out the statements and see exactly where we spent the money. The other money that is spent would be a few checks. Then very little cash is spent of which I can see withdrawals from our accounts. But it is a good  exercise to write all expenses down on paper. Especially if you are working and spending money on lunches, Girl Scout Cookies and Baseball/football pools.




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« Reply #18 on: February 16, 2019, 10:10:16 AM »
 Just last month I finished up our “book of information “that is really part of our estate documents. Once a year we will update it.

In making this Book of information, I included a short list of things that we do not have because I think it would be important information for our estate trustee to know. That way they will not waste time looking for things like life insurance, which we do not have. We do not have funeral plans set up. We do not have a bank safety deposit box, etc etc
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« Reply #19 on: February 16, 2019, 01:39:08 PM »
Just last month I finished up our “book of information “that is really part of our estate documents. Once a year we will update it.

In making this Book of information, I included a short list of things that we do not have because I think it would be important information for our estate trustee to know. That way they will not waste time looking for things like life insurance, which we do not have. We do not have funeral plans set up. We do not have a bank safety deposit box, etc etc

Ah, a do not have list is a good idea too! We do not have life insurance either, we have no funeral plans but we do have cemetery plots. We do have a safety deposit box. We also have an in home safe.

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« Reply #20 on: February 16, 2019, 01:56:51 PM »
Now this is pretty off beat but has anyone written their own obituary? Even though the spouse knows certain things, maybe you would like to have other things included.

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« Reply #21 on: February 16, 2019, 04:38:43 PM »
Here's what I did on this score for my daughter (she's my only heir, and I'm legally single). I figured out a shortcut to the whole thing, and that is one of those password keeper/protection sites. I put every password from everything in there, and then in the notes field add things like "on auto pay from ABC bank" and "closed this in 2014" whatnot.

I keep the site up to date so she could open anything she wanted to. And having all those sites on the password keeper (I use LastPass) is a way to define the entire scope of my life (financial and otherwise). It's got the insurance agent's contact name. It's got my Facebook login. It's got the airline mileage programs user name and mileage number. You get the picture.

The only thing she needs is the password for Lastpass, and I give her that in an envelope every year with a little love note in it (she would be opening the envelope if I were dead!).

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« Reply #22 on: February 17, 2019, 12:10:58 PM »
I'm hyper-organized in the financial respect, and I don't think that DW would want to follow my precise procedures as imperiously dictated from beyond the grave.  At the same time, I trust that she would see the necessity of dealing with it in her own way, so I've put the information out there, and trust she is smart enough to find a way to deal with it.

So, I have a small fire-safe with all the information that DW would ever need (bank accounts, a list of common bills, notes on past tax returns, and passwords). But it's lacking in any kind of information about what to do with it. 

Before this thread turns to griping about one partner doing all the work, I want to stress that I don't think that it's necessarily a bad thing that two people adopt different roles and duties, and that one person ends up being the accountant.  (Seems this is usually the wife, but in our family it's the husband.) 

One thing that is very useful is to insist on is a periodic "State of the Union" where you just go over all the finances together, whether you want to or not.  Just to have a general awareness of how things are going, and an assurance that the books are open to whatever degree you want to see them.

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« Reply #23 on: February 17, 2019, 12:29:05 PM »
Just as an FYI . . . check with your bank on this, but with our bank if you have written down your password and any money is stolen using that password you will be responsible for the losses.  If you have not written it down anywhere, then the bank generally covers the theft.

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« Reply #24 on: February 17, 2019, 12:45:34 PM »
I'm hyper-organized in the financial respect, and I don't think that DW would want to follow my precise procedures as imperiously dictated from beyond the grave.  At the same time, I trust that she would see the necessity of dealing with it in her own way, so I've put the information out there, and trust she is smart enough to find a way to deal with it.

So, I have a small fire-safe with all the information that DW would ever need (bank accounts, a list of common bills, notes on past tax returns, and passwords). But it's lacking in any kind of information about what to do with it. 

Before this thread turns to griping about one partner doing all the work, I want to stress that I don't think that it's necessarily a bad thing that two people adopt different roles and duties, and that one person ends up being the accountant.  (Seems this is usually the wife, but in our family it's the husband.) 

One thing that is very useful is to insist on is a periodic "State of the Union" where you just go over all the finances together, whether you want to or not.  Just to have a general awareness of how things are going, and an assurance that the books are open to whatever degree you want to see them.

I don't think anyone is griping about who keeps track of financial stuff. In my case, it just started as writing checks for a few bills. Then it evolved into savings, IRA's, 401k's, insurance, taxes, etc. I know my husband appreciates what I do but now it is time to start the State of the Union as you say. He needs to get involved if nothing else, just to get a picture of what is going on. He will catch on! LOL, after he retired he had no idea where anything was in the grocery stores. We started shopping together and after a while he learned where everything is and does quite a bit of the shopping without me now. It really made me happy to see that he enjoyed grocery shopping and does it really well. He even checks expiration dates! So when I get him on track with all this financial stuff, he will do well there too.

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« Reply #25 on: February 17, 2019, 12:53:56 PM »
I'm hyper-organized in the financial respect, and I don't think that DW would want to follow my precise procedures as imperiously dictated from beyond the grave.  At the same time, I trust that she would see the necessity of dealing with it in her own way, so I've put the information out there, and trust she is smart enough to find a way to deal with it.

So, I have a small fire-safe with all the information that DW would ever need (bank accounts, a list of common bills, notes on past tax returns, and passwords). But it's lacking in any kind of information about what to do with it. 

Before this thread turns to griping about one partner doing all the work, I want to stress that I don't think that it's necessarily a bad thing that two people adopt different roles and duties, and that one person ends up being the accountant.  (Seems this is usually the wife, but in our family it's the husband.) 

One thing that is very useful is to insist on is a periodic "State of the Union" where you just go over all the finances together, whether you want to or not.  Just to have a general awareness of how things are going, and an assurance that the books are open to whatever degree you want to see them.

I don't think anyone is griping about who keeps track of financial stuff. In my case, it just started as writing checks for a few bills. Then it evolved into savings, IRA's, 401k's, insurance, taxes, etc. I know my husband appreciates what I do but now it is time to start the State of the Union as you say. He needs to get involved if nothing else, just to get a picture of what is going on. He will catch on! LOL, after he retired he had no idea where anything was in the grocery stores. We started shopping together and after a while he learned where everything is and does quite a bit of the shopping without me now. It really made me happy to see that he enjoyed grocery shopping and does it really well. He even checks expiration dates! So when I get him on track with all this financial stuff, he will do well there too.

Exactly. I’m not griping either. My husband is an excellent life partner in every way.

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« Reply #26 on: February 17, 2019, 01:21:51 PM »
I'm hyper-organized in the financial respect, and I don't think that DW would want to follow my precise procedures as imperiously dictated from beyond the grave.  At the same time, I trust that she would see the necessity of dealing with it in her own way, so I've put the information out there, and trust she is smart enough to find a way to deal with it.

So, I have a small fire-safe with all the information that DW would ever need (bank accounts, a list of common bills, notes on past tax returns, and passwords). But it's lacking in any kind of information about what to do with it. 

Before this thread turns to griping about one partner doing all the work, I want to stress that I don't think that it's necessarily a bad thing that two people adopt different roles and duties, and that one person ends up being the accountant.  (Seems this is usually the wife, but in our family it's the husband.) 

One thing that is very useful is to insist on is a periodic "State of the Union" where you just go over all the finances together, whether you want to or not.  Just to have a general awareness of how things are going, and an assurance that the books are open to whatever degree you want to see them.

I don't think anyone is griping about who keeps track of financial stuff. In my case, it just started as writing checks for a few bills. Then it evolved into savings, IRA's, 401k's, insurance, taxes, etc. I know my husband appreciates what I do but now it is time to start the State of the Union as you say. He needs to get involved if nothing else, just to get a picture of what is going on. He will catch on! LOL, after he retired he had no idea where anything was in the grocery stores. We started shopping together and after a while he learned where everything is and does quite a bit of the shopping without me now. It really made me happy to see that he enjoyed grocery shopping and does it really well. He even checks expiration dates! So when I get him on track with all this financial stuff, he will do well there too.

Exactly. I’m not griping either. My husband is an excellent life partner in every way.


Kris, we are soul sisters on having excellent life partners!

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Re: Book of Information
« Reply #27 on: February 17, 2019, 04:30:08 PM »
I wonder if having a great spouse could be positively correlated with Mustachian tendencies??

Sorry, I didn't mean to accuse anyone of griping; I've just been to other message boards where that's a common sport, and I thought it might be leaning that way. 

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« Reply #28 on: February 17, 2019, 04:35:04 PM »
I wonder if having a great spouse could be positively correlated with Mustachian tendencies??

Sorry, I didn't mean to accuse anyone of griping; I've just been to other message boards where that's a common sport, and I thought it might be leaning that way.

I get it. You’re right, I’ve seen that too, around the interwebs, and it can be toxic.

But let me assure you that everything I have said about my spouse in this thread is something he would happily say himself. He’s smart as hell, and he’s an amazing husband. He’s just utter shit with money. :D

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« Reply #29 on: February 17, 2019, 05:43:08 PM »
@Roadrunner53 I think we might be married to the same man, you’ve described my husband to a T.

I’m mostly PTF, so I can see what others say.

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« Reply #30 on: February 18, 2019, 06:49:02 AM »
Thanks for the idea. I pay most of our bills and use Last Pass to keep track of all the passwords. But I don't think my husband has access to it. I should either give him the password or update it somewhere where he can find it if I ever decease, maybe in an envelope somewhere. I change the password about once a year. I will also have a look if I can just add him as an extra user somehow.

Last pass is a great tool, because you can organize all your password in groups with a sensible name. For example I have "Home and cabin" with subgroup "electricity" with element "electricity home" and "power grid home".
If you click on the element, the site will automatically open to the correct account. Each time I open them and need to correct something, it is saved for next time.

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« Reply #31 on: February 18, 2019, 07:24:11 AM »
@Roadrunner53 I think we might be married to the same man, you’ve described my husband to a T.

I’m mostly PTF, so I can see what others say.

LOL!

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« Reply #32 on: February 18, 2019, 09:07:55 AM »
I have created this for my Sons in the form of a spreadsheet and scanned docs that are updated and emailed to them once every three months.  My plots are purchased and will recorded at the county courthhouse.

I live alone.  Single empty nester with lots of SFH rentals.  This info includes all the leases, tenant phone numbers, laptop passwords, iPhone code, insurance info. etc.

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« Reply #33 on: February 19, 2019, 05:09:51 AM »
Thanks for the idea. I pay most of our bills and use LastPass to keep track of all the passwords. But I don't think my husband has access to it. I should either give him the password or update it somewhere where he can find it if I ever decease, maybe in an envelope somewhere. I change the password about once a year. I will also have a look if I can just add him as an extra user somehow.

Yesterday evening I added DH's email address as a trusted user to LastPass. But DH received a mail, telling to create his own account, which he doesn't want to do. Therefore I wrote my password down on a piece of paper and hid that on a place that DH suggested, where burglars won't look.
I also showed DH how my LastPass vault is organized and how he can find what he needs when he needs it.

DH told me that that is the first thing you should do when your spouse dies. Gaining access to all accounts and getting in control of those accounts. Otherwise it might be very time consuming. It might take a month or two to get access to your late spouse's bank account when the bank knows the spouse is dead.

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« Reply #34 on: February 21, 2019, 12:00:33 PM »
I'm hyper-organized in the financial respect, and I don't think that DW would want to follow my precise procedures as imperiously dictated from beyond the grave.  At the same time, I trust that she would see the necessity of dealing with it in her own way, so I've put the information out there, and trust she is smart enough to find a way to deal with it.

So, I have a small fire-safe with all the information that DW would ever need (bank accounts, a list of common bills, notes on past tax returns, and passwords). But it's lacking in any kind of information about what to do with it. 

Be very, very careful with the typical consumer grade fire safe purchased at big box retailers. A friend was shopping for a safe and I got curious - the average fire safe is very easy to break into. Like seconds in some cases. If you are guarding information worth alot of money, a safety deposit box might be worthwhile.

I myself will be researching a better safe b/c I too have the typical consumer grade fire safe.

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« Reply #35 on: February 21, 2019, 03:30:22 PM »
Worked on THE BOOK today. It is 99% done. I named the tabs and made labels for each tab. I know this is a work in progress and updating will be continuous but should be fairly easy to punch holes and pull out the old info and replace it with the new. Some stuff won't need updating.

I need some more tab dividers. I think I bought 3 packages and used almost all of them. I know there will be odds and ends that filter in.

I was more into this project when I first started now it has become a chore. But, it is pretty much done.

Still need to do some screen shots of our on line banking so my husband can try his hand at it.

The things I take for granted to be so easy will frustrate him I am sure. Baby steps!

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« Reply #36 on: February 22, 2019, 11:05:45 AM »

So, I have a small fire-safe with all the information that DW would ever need (bank accounts, a list of common bills, notes on past tax returns, and passwords). But it's lacking in any kind of information about what to do with it. 

Be very, very careful with the typical consumer grade fire safe purchased at big box retailers. A friend was shopping for a safe and I got curious - the average fire safe is very easy to break into. Like seconds in some cases. If you are guarding information worth alot of money, a safety deposit box might be worthwhile.

I myself will be researching a better safe b/c I too have the typical consumer grade fire safe.

It would literally be seconds, because I leave the key in it.  The theory here is that it's just a sturdy box.  And it's somewhat fire-resistant.

Let's say someone burgled my house.  They'd probably go straight for the jewelry, which is normally not kept in a secret place.  But suppose that they had some time for an elaborate treasure hunt, and found the safe, and got my password-manager password.  Now they have to figure out my username.  It's not exactly a close-guarded secret, but assuming it takes a whole day, I've already discovered the theft and changed the password.  But lets suppose that they get the password, get the username, and start logging into my bank accounts.  What are they going to do, start making ACH transfers to their accounts?  Use bill-pay to send themselves a check?  Request a distribution from my IRA?  Even then, I would immediately get a text alert from the bank, and have time to shut it down.  Even if somehow I failed to stop it, I only keep $10k in any of my bank accounts. 

So it's not exactly like I have my entire net worth in gold bars in a cheap fire-safe.  But I see your point, and I'll consider a safe-deposit box.  That seems to be in the realm of reasonable security.

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« Reply #37 on: February 23, 2019, 04:26:47 PM »
I was thinking along the lines of identity theft. I don't look at my safe daily b/c it is intentionally hidden in the house. If it went missing, I might not notice for for days. Yes a break in would send us checking on the safe.

If we were separated from from our house by disaster or travel - someone could seize our info and we might not notice immediately or be able to deal with it as quickly as we like.

We do keep some money inside in case there was a regional emergency and ATMs were unavailable for a week or so - and we still needed to buy gasoline, hardware store items, or food. As we have seen time and time again - don't rely on the gov't or relief agencies during disasters. They are easily overwhelmed and at times inefficient.

Not too worried about jewelry or precious metals b/c we don't have any to speak of aside from wedding rings that we don't wear. Not a priority to us.

An example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2guvwQvElA8

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« Reply #38 on: April 28, 2019, 06:31:10 PM »
PTF! I don't want to, but I ought to make a Book of Information.

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« Reply #39 on: April 30, 2019, 02:20:23 PM »
Now this is pretty off beat but has anyone written their own obituary? Even though the spouse knows certain things, maybe you would like to have other things included.

I haven't--yet--but my Mom did. Great Depression survivor that she was, she kept it in a plastic bag along with the receipt for her burial plot. When she passed, I scanned and emailed her self-written obituary to her pastor who read it verbatim at her service. Mom liked things her way, so this made it all easier.


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« Reply #40 on: April 30, 2019, 04:37:59 PM »
My Hub is a saint but has no gift of writing. I really don't know what I would want in my obit but I have some certain things I think I would like included. Not sure he would remember or include that stuff. I don't think there is anything wrong with it and would make it easier for the survivor. One less thing to figure out. I think my Hub would appreciate it.

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« Reply #41 on: May 01, 2019, 12:54:08 AM »
I second ixtap in that you need a joint bank account which receives any retirement income so that he can operate the account should you die unexpectedly. This Account should also receive any investment income. Any account not in joint names will be frozen in probate. If you own a house the house should be in joint names so that husband can legally continue to live in it.

I belong to an Australian retirement lobby group, which had a Book of Information  for sale, A$15. Each page has headings such a 'bank accounts' with space, so you I was prompted to fill in the spaces as needed. I am guessing, but accountants and lawyers might be able to point you to a similar booklet.

Kris referred to what is known as 'Power of Attorney' and also 'Guardianship'. In the last years of my parents' life I had Power of Attorney over their financial affairs. I and my siblings had Guardianship power over their medical matters, but we did not need it. If you do not know about these two matters, I urge you to talk to a lawyer specialising in estate planning. Do you have a will? Lawyers are paid fee for service, in my experience a willand advice cost less than a thousand dollars, and is well worth the money.


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« Reply #42 on: May 01, 2019, 03:46:55 AM »
I second ixtap in that you need a joint bank account which receives any retirement income so that he can operate the account should you die unexpectedly. This Account should also receive any investment income. Any account not in joint names will be frozen in probate. If you own a house the house should be in joint names so that husband can legally continue to live in it.

I belong to an Australian retirement lobby group, which had a Book of Information  for sale, A$15. Each page has headings such a 'bank accounts' with space, so you I was prompted to fill in the spaces as needed. I am guessing, but accountants and lawyers might be able to point you to a similar booklet.

Kris referred to what is known as 'Power of Attorney' and also 'Guardianship'. In the last years of my parents' life I had Power of Attorney over their financial affairs. I and my siblings had Guardianship power over their medical matters, but we did not need it. If you do not know about these two matters, I urge you to talk to a lawyer specialising in estate planning. Do you have a will? Lawyers are paid fee for service, in my experience a willand advice cost less than a thousand dollars, and is well worth the money.


Agree, all bank accounts are joint, house is joint, one car is joint. We have a pick up truck the Hub bought used quite a few years ago and when the paperwork was done, for some reason the salesman put it solely in my Hubs name. That shouldn't have happened. Will have to fix that. All our investments go to the surviving spouse. We have wills that actually need updating and we have 2 cemetery plots my Mother bought us when my Father died along with hers. Not too worried about the truck because when my Mom passed, I went to probate court and as the sole survivor, they allowed me to sell it quite quickly. It does make things easier and I wish I had asked my Mom to put me as a co owner for her house. That was more complicated. Live and learn! Fortunately, she put me on all her bank accounts and investments. The other thing is that she had some stocks and they had to be transferred to me. Some of these stock were old and had changed names and that was a mini mess. Our Financial Advisor helped me with that. I ended up selling all of them due to the complications.

Do your spouse and children a favor and clean up all your financial stuff for them. My Mom's stuff was not too bad at all but I can imagine some family complications and siblings fighting.

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« Reply #43 on: May 01, 2019, 08:27:23 AM »
Wrote a lengthy response but then read you're almost done. 

For anyone else looking for this info, try KeePass. It's free, intuitive, and all information is stored locally.  There are a few reasons I prefer it to LastPass, but do your own research.  It will make doing a book like this infinitely easier.

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« Reply #44 on: May 03, 2019, 01:00:42 AM »
Thank you Blueberries for the tip of a Password Manager.

I want to add that for the elderly, including me, it is a good idea to have a Health Alert pendant. If you are alone in your house, and fall over and cannot get up, you push the button on the pendant, and the software rings a series of phone number, family and friends, until someone answers. That person hears a recorded message and knows you are in trouble.

I bought one many years ago for A$300 and have never had to use it, but I wear it if I am home and my wife is out for several hours.


 

Wow, a phone plan for fifteen bucks!