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Re: Alien Enemies Act
« Reply #150 on: May 01, 2025, 06:15:29 PM »
One tiny positive of the protests is seeing the Baby Boomers represented.  It defies the stereotype of Boomers being the most selfish generation and not caring what happens to the next generations. 

Not all seniors are MAGA. 

One other point:  I'm watching the documentary series on Vietnam.  One person who was college-age at the beginning of the war remembers that when he went to his first anti-war protest he was disappointed to see only 40 people there.
At one of his next protests, 25,000 people were there. 

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Re: Alien Enemies Act
« Reply #151 on: May 01, 2025, 07:50:44 PM »
It is beyond naive to think that the general population has any ability whatsoever to do anything about the blatant illegality exhibited every day by the Trump administration. Hell, even those in Congress opposed to Trump have no ability to do a single thing to stop him. Protests? What will that accomplish (other than possibly endangering yourself and your own liberties)? Calling your representative to tell them how you feel? They already know, and they have no ability or no desire to do anything about it. U.S. Senator Cory Booker gave a much-lauded 25+ hour speech and guess what it accomplished? Nothing at all. Another U.S. Senator traveled to El Salvador to meet with one of the prisoners being illegal held there, and guess what changed? Nothing.

Elections matter, and our misguided populace elected Trump and his ilk. There's nothing that can be done about it until -- or more likely, unless there is -- a future election. How is it not registering that the Trumpublicans control all branches of government, and they are pleased to do whatever they want to tear down laws, rights, freedoms, government order, fairness, history, science, medicine, traditions, and decency?

The Trump administration and his enablers in Congress and the courts could not give a Single F*ck about what you or I think. On the contrary, many take glee in causing grief for those who are bothered by this administration's actions. Banging on a drum and chanting with protest signs and calling or emailing representatives is as useful as pissing in the wind. And violence clearly is no answer and would be just as futile.

So, you are saying there is absolutely nothing to be done, to be clear?

Unfortunately, for us regular folks, yes. We can do our best to take care of ourselves, our families, our neighbors and friends. I think economic boycotts have some ability to possibly move the needle a bit, as we've seen with Tesla and Musk. And if we have a chance in a future election to replace Trump and those like him, we can vote against them. But the deck is seriously stacked in favor of the Trumpublican party and only getting worse, so elections in the future may be entirely performative as in Russia. And again -- people all over the world are gravitating to this lawless, populist stance, so even if the deck wasn't stacked, I'm not sure it would be a favorable outcome.

I don't agree. Silence implies consent. We need to be loud, as loud as we can be. And as disruptive as possible.

Ah yes, then we almost entirely agree (depending on the definition of "disruptive"), because I definitely don't advocate silence. If I ever saw Trump, I would tell him to his face that I know what he is. I am glad when people speak out against him and his daily, outrageous lawlessness and cruelty. I am just under no illusion that it will make any difference in any kind of legislative outcome or any change in the administration's behavior, or that of his enablers. Case in point: Terrible things are continuing to happen every single day, and nothing on this earth will stop it except a few court decisions which have thrown a few temporary monkey wrenches in the works. I would be very pleased to be proven wrong about this, but I don't think any meaningful evidence can be offered otherwise. What I am in disagreement with (I'm not saying you are doing this) is making people feel bad for "not doing anything," because people can very rightly believe there is nothing meaningful that can be done.

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Re: Alien Enemies Act
« Reply #152 on: May 01, 2025, 08:06:15 PM »
Trump has definitely been influenced by the stock market and bond volatility, so there are definitely other things he responds to. His removal of tariffs on Norfolk Island also shows that he doesn’t like to be laughed at (this was a separate removal to the temporary moratorium).

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Re: Alien Enemies Act
« Reply #153 on: May 16, 2025, 02:44:52 PM »
Supreme Court ruled 7-2 Trump cannot use the AEA to deport Venezuelans, but can use other immigration laws provided they use the proper timeframes and procedures.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24pdf/24a1007_g2bh.pdf

https://x.com/lwhitehurst/status/1923471533466440096

https://t.fixupx.com/bykatiebuehler/status/1923466468827468076

https://t.fixupx.com/bykatiebuehler/status/1923470594055532747

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Re: Alien Enemies Act
« Reply #154 on: May 16, 2025, 04:33:22 PM »
Gee, without having read the SC opinion, I wonder which two justices in the minority voted with Trump? Who could say.

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Re: Alien Enemies Act
« Reply #155 on: May 16, 2025, 08:58:51 PM »
Why would Trump care what the Supreme Court says this time?

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Re: Alien Enemies Act
« Reply #156 on: May 16, 2025, 10:52:55 PM »
Supreme Court ruled 7-2 Trump cannot use the AEA to deport Venezuelans, but can use other immigration laws provided they use the proper timeframes and procedures.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24pdf/24a1007_g2bh.pdf

https://x.com/lwhitehurst/status/1923471533466440096

https://t.fixupx.com/bykatiebuehler/status/1923466468827468076

https://t.fixupx.com/bykatiebuehler/status/1923470594055532747

Reading the first link listed above, the wording from the Supreme Court itself states that the Court does not address the legality of removals under AEA (see the last paragraph of section II).

Instead, the Court's ruling bars the removals of the prisoners in the case at hand due to the prisoners not having had sufficient notice to contest (to "be heard" in court opposing) their deportation orders. The Court instructs the lower court to determine what time and procedure would be sufficient notice. Presumably, after that the prisoners can contest the deportation orders on various grounds, which might or might not then return to the Supreme Court someday.

Perhaps they will rule directly on AEA in the future.

PS. I only read the first five pages out of 24; just noting the Court's own wording, and my limited understanding of their overall statements in the first pages, aka from the top through Section II.
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Re: Alien Enemies Act
« Reply #158 on: June 21, 2025, 08:15:42 AM »
Khalil released.

https://bsky.app/profile/yasharali.bsky.social/post/3ls37xfeo5225

https://x.com/chloe_aatkins/status/1936208120230920540

Public opinion has done a 180 on deporting all of these supposed criminals and rapists.  I guess reality has finally caught up with the false narrative...  2025 will be yet another dark blotch on American history associated with invoking the AEA.  Let's hope the Supreme Court  ends its use sooner rather than later.

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Re: Alien Enemies Act
« Reply #159 on: July 02, 2025, 04:50:46 PM »
Garcia filed a complaint in court about his time in CECOT alleging round the clock torture.


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Re: Alien Enemies Act
« Reply #160 on: July 02, 2025, 05:50:33 PM »
Khalil released.

https://bsky.app/profile/yasharali.bsky.social/post/3ls37xfeo5225

https://x.com/chloe_aatkins/status/1936208120230920540

Public opinion has done a 180 on deporting all of these supposed criminals and rapists.  I guess reality has finally caught up with the false narrative...  2025 will be yet another dark blotch on American history associated with invoking the AEA.  Let's hope the Supreme Court  ends its use sooner rather than later.

The Supreme Court is pretty clearly trying to avoid any major findings against Trump or Maga, mostly through the use of technical dismissals of various cases.

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Re: Alien Enemies Act
« Reply #161 on: July 05, 2025, 11:27:43 AM »
Garcia filed a complaint in court about his time in CECOT alleging round the clock torture.


https://bsky.app/profile/annabower.bsky.social/post/3lsz5zje6ws2j

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I don't see how he could lose . . . given that the torture was the point.

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Re: Alien Enemies Act
« Reply #162 on: July 06, 2025, 01:59:42 PM »
Garcia filed a complaint in court about his time in CECOT alleging round the clock torture.


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I don't see how he could lose . . . given that the torture was the point.

Pam Bondi: what happens outside our borders is not our business. He should take it up with the Salvadorians.

Has she said this? No. Will she? Probably. She already tried arguing that the Constitution doesn't apply once a planeload of people are in the air. I expect the next step is to argue the US government has no culpability in shipping citizens and residents to a foreign gulag.

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Re: Alien Enemies Act
« Reply #163 on: July 06, 2025, 04:20:49 PM »
Garcia filed a complaint in court about his time in CECOT alleging round the clock torture.


https://bsky.app/profile/annabower.bsky.social/post/3lsz5zje6ws2j

https://bsky.app/profile/annabower.bsky.social/post/3lsz677mxes2j

I don't see how he could lose . . . given that the torture was the point.

Pam Bondi: what happens outside our borders is not our business. He should take it up with the Salvadorians.

Has she said this? No. Will she? Probably. She already tried arguing that the Constitution doesn't apply once a planeload of people are in the air. I expect the next step is to argue the US government has no culpability in shipping citizens and residents to a foreign gulag.

I like the logic.  They can start shooting people who dissent in the face.  Will claim it's a death of natural causes . . . because naturally, someone with a hole in their face will die.

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Re: Alien Enemies Act
« Reply #164 on: July 07, 2025, 11:51:36 AM »
Garcia filed a complaint in court about his time in CECOT alleging round the clock torture.


https://bsky.app/profile/annabower.bsky.social/post/3lsz5zje6ws2j

https://bsky.app/profile/annabower.bsky.social/post/3lsz677mxes2j

I don't see how he could lose . . . given that the torture was the point.

Pam Bondi: what happens outside our borders is not our business. He should take it up with the Salvadorians.

Has she said this? No. Will she? Probably. She already tried arguing that the Constitution doesn't apply once a planeload of people are in the air. I expect the next step is to argue the US government has no culpability in shipping citizens and residents to a foreign gulag.

I like the logic.  They can start shooting people who dissent in the face.  Will claim it's a death of natural causes . . . because naturally, someone with a hole in their face will die.

You, sir, have a future in MAGA.

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Re: Alien Enemies Act
« Reply #165 on: July 07, 2025, 04:03:05 PM »
Garcia filed a complaint in court about his time in CECOT alleging round the clock torture.


https://bsky.app/profile/annabower.bsky.social/post/3lsz5zje6ws2j

https://bsky.app/profile/annabower.bsky.social/post/3lsz677mxes2j

I don't see how he could lose . . . given that the torture was the point.

Pam Bondi: what happens outside our borders is not our business. He should take it up with the Salvadorians.

Has she said this? No. Will she? Probably. She already tried arguing that the Constitution doesn't apply once a planeload of people are in the air. I expect the next step is to argue the US government has no culpability in shipping citizens and residents to a foreign gulag.

I like the logic.  They can start shooting people who dissent in the face.  Will claim it's a death of natural causes . . . because naturally, someone with a hole in their face will die.

If I'm reading this correctly, the Salvadorians are preempting this defense by throwing us under the bus saying we had total control over what was happening.

https://bsky.app/profile/chrisgeidner.bsky.social/post/3ltfkuqazes2g

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Re: Alien Enemies Act
« Reply #166 on: July 07, 2025, 04:06:47 PM »
If I'm reading this correctly, the Salvadorians are preempting this defense by throwing us under the bus saying we had total control over what was happening.

https://bsky.app/profile/chrisgeidner.bsky.social/post/3ltfkuqazes2g

Another bromance gone bad?  They are as durable as they are deep.

And really, the revolving door was the thing missing from Trump's first term, so far.