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« Reply #350 on: April 24, 2019, 12:17:46 PM »
We are still swallowing Trump, who was the oldest president ever elected. Why is moving the age forward another few years so terrible?

79 today isn't like 79 was when we were growing up (I was a child during the 1980's). Octagenarians are doing all sorts of demanding jobs all the time.

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« Reply #351 on: April 24, 2019, 01:56:40 PM »
We are still swallowing Trump, who was the oldest president ever elected. Why is moving the age forward another few years so terrible?

79 today isn't like 79 was when we were growing up (I was a child during the 1980's). Octagenarians are doing all sorts of demanding jobs all the time.

Because for most octogenarians, the act of dropping dead or becoming incapacitated won’t send the entire country into upheaval.

Also, and I am speaking just for myself, I would not prop Trump up as a case for elderly governing leaders.


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« Reply #352 on: April 25, 2019, 06:00:10 AM »
Surprising nobody, Joe Biden is officially in.

On another note, I predicted somewhere before, possibly in this thread, that Senator Harris was the biggest threat to beat Trump.  After the town hall, I no longer believe this.  I think Mayor Buttigieg is the biggest threat.

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« Reply #353 on: April 25, 2019, 07:02:14 AM »
Surprising nobody, Joe Biden is officially in.

On another note, I predicted somewhere before, possibly in this thread, that Senator Harris was the biggest threat to beat Trump.  After the town hall, I no longer believe this.  I think Mayor Buttigieg is the biggest threat.

Peak early... you lose. Gotta do it The Donald WayTM by coming from a wildcard position to punching and stabbing opponents in the back and face. Art of the Deal, folks.

I ain't making decisions until the debates start.

On the other side, I want to see how much registered Republican antipathy for Trump will translate into votes for Bill Weld. I can see Trump trolling him "Will Melt, not tough. Weak. SAD!!!"

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« Reply #354 on: April 25, 2019, 07:06:39 AM »
The Media selects the President, not the people.

Big Networks gave Trump the most airtime, hence more eyeballs, more time into their noggins. Which is why his crazy speeches and tweets got him so much unnecessary attention. If he had been ignored like the crazy old uncle at a party, we'd have had a different primary R candidate selected.

Americans don't vote rationally, but vote emotionally. Trump got to their basic instincts. Let's see if anyone on the D side can replicate his intensity for 2020.

Otherwise D-Vision 2020 is myopia.

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« Reply #355 on: April 25, 2019, 08:09:34 AM »
The Media selects the President, not the people.

Big Networks gave Trump the most airtime, hence more eyeballs, more time into their noggins. Which is why his crazy speeches and tweets got him so much unnecessary attention. If he had been ignored like the crazy old uncle at a party, we'd have had a different primary R candidate selected.

Americans don't vote rationally, but vote emotionally. Trump got to their basic instincts. Let's see if anyone on the D side can replicate his intensity for 2020.

Otherwise D-Vision 2020 is myopia.

Agreed. This is one of the reasons I've never believed Warren has a snowball's chance. She's not dynamic enough. She's not fun to watch. She's not exciting. She's kind of... beige.

(This, of course, has nothing to do with her policies. It's sad, but true.)

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« Reply #356 on: April 25, 2019, 08:19:38 AM »
Surprising nobody, Joe Biden is officially in.

On another note, I predicted somewhere before, possibly in this thread, that Senator Harris was the biggest threat to beat Trump.  After the town hall, I no longer believe this.  I think Mayor Buttigieg is the biggest threat.

A propos of nothing, John McCain's family is apparently throwing their support behind Biden.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/mccain-family-to-support-biden-in-2020-race-in-bid-to-defeat-trump?fbclid=IwAR3KeL3RQV5ROg1QGO4Y1t5Vd3EZxLrVpyDuIdFpGZZtRm4XsQblni5Z1QA

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« Reply #357 on: April 25, 2019, 08:20:22 AM »
Surprising nobody, Joe Biden is officially in.

On another note, I predicted somewhere before, possibly in this thread, that Senator Harris was the biggest threat to beat Trump.  After the town hall, I no longer believe this.  I think Mayor Buttigieg is the biggest threat.

Peak early... you lose. Gotta do it The Donald WayTM by coming from a wildcard position to punching and stabbing opponents in the back and face. Art of the Deal, folks.

I ain't making decisions until the debates start.

On the other side, I want to see how much registered Republican antipathy for Trump will translate into votes for Bill Weld. I can see Trump trolling him "Will Melt, not tough. Weak. SAD!!!"

I don't think Buttigieg has gotten anywhere close to peaking. I would anticipate his Q2 fundraising numbers at least double that of his Q1. Hell, it might more than double. The (not surprising) attacks from the religious right, including Franklin Graham, might hurt Pete's momentum, or they might actually strengthen it. I gave Pete another donation today because of the attacks.

I agree that things don't get serious until June. Someone like Tim Ryan or Julian Castro or even Yang could impress during the debates.
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« Reply #358 on: April 25, 2019, 10:08:22 AM »
I am tempted to back Biden, just to see the show down. I hesitate to say I think he would win, because I have a feeling if he got to the GE, we would have another “so close” moment. Rumor is out that John McCain’s family will back Biden; that could definitely turn moderate Republicans who are sick and by Trump. A huge advantage most of the other candidates do not have.

Unfortunately/fortunately, I can’t decide how I feel, I think he will get to the GE. Too many people vote for nostalgic reasons, and what they believe is the safe bet. Despite the craziness going on for the last few years, I’m kind of bored and want new blood and new ideas in a new direction. I don’t want to go back to the Obama era. Even though I like Obama.

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« Reply #359 on: April 25, 2019, 11:04:06 AM »
If anyone was curious, here were the March forum poll results. I'll probably do another poll in June after the debates to compare the numbers.

Cory Booker 3 (1.9%)
Julian Castro 3 (1.9%)
John Delaney 1 (0.6%)
Tulsi Gabbard 7 (4.5%)
Kamala Harris 24 (15.4%)
John Hickenlooper 7 (4.5%)
Jay Inslee 3 (1.9%)
Amy Klobuchar 8 (5.1%)
Beto O'Rourke 23 (14.7%)
Bernie Sanders 18 (11.5%)
Elizabeth Warren 20 (12.8%)
Marianne Williamson0 (0%)
Andrew Yang 9 (5.8%)
Joe Biden (if he announces) 21 (13.5%)
Pete Buttigieg (exploratory) 8 (5.1%)
Kirsten Gillibrand (exploratory) 1 (0.6%)
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« Reply #360 on: April 25, 2019, 02:36:14 PM »
If anyone was curious, here were the March forum poll results. I'll probably do another poll in June after the debates to compare the numbers.

Cory Booker 3 (1.9%)
Julian Castro 3 (1.9%)
John Delaney 1 (0.6%)
Tulsi Gabbard 7 (4.5%)
Kamala Harris 24 (15.4%)
John Hickenlooper 7 (4.5%)
Jay Inslee 3 (1.9%)
Amy Klobuchar 8 (5.1%)
Beto O'Rourke 23 (14.7%)
Bernie Sanders 18 (11.5%)
Elizabeth Warren 20 (12.8%)
Marianne Williamson0 (0%)
Andrew Yang 9 (5.8%)
Joe Biden (if he announces) 21 (13.5%)
Pete Buttigieg (exploratory) 8 (5.1%)
Kirsten Gillibrand (exploratory) 1 (0.6%)
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Those are interesting numbers for sure, but i would predict Bernie would jump a lot with a younger crowd. Surprised how high Warren is I doubt she could win her own State. She like vs any republican but not against her own party. Be curious as to what others who have people running from their own state feel there Candidate is/would do.

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« Reply #361 on: April 25, 2019, 03:49:16 PM »
Quote from: soccerluvof4 link=topic=101697.msg2357664#msg2357664
Those are interesting numbers for sure, but i would predict Bernie would jump a lot with a younger crowd. Surprised how high Warren is I doubt she could win her own State. She like vs any republican but not against her own party. Be curious as to what others who have people running from their own state feel there Candidate is/would do.
Being in Indiana, Buttigieg being the nominee would certainly make things interesting, but I doubt he could carry the state like Obama did in 2008. Even though he was no Mitch Daniels, having Pence on the ticket certainly helps Trump in the land of Hoosiers. Additionally, Trump's steel tariffs would make it difficult for Buttigieg to gather significant union support in the steel producing parts of the state.

While Buttigieg probably woulnd't carry his home state, I think he would do quite well in the surrounding battleground states of Wisconsin, Michigan, and Ohio.

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« Reply #362 on: April 26, 2019, 12:28:19 PM »
I actually think Trump's strategy is to ignore Weld. Pretend he doesn't exist, not say his name or even mention him. It's not hard to win primaries when you're the incumbent president.

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« Reply #363 on: April 28, 2019, 12:52:04 PM »
Finally had the time to watch through all the CNN town hall appearances.

Klobuchar:  I still agree with her more than the others from a policy perspective, but didn’t think it was a great showing from her. She seemed to kinda get stuck in the details and ramble on some answers instead of giving clean, crisp responses. That’s not going to work in the general election. She needs to proudly own that she’s not pushing for single payer healthcare or student loan forgiveness. It felt more like she was apologizing. Basically, she needs to get more polished on stage but I like the policy proposals.

Warren:  She comes across as smart and genuine. I think she’d hold her own on stage with Trump. That’s the good. Now the bad. Her wealth tax is in my mind an unworkable, unconstitutional monster. Her student debt plan should be renamed the “Bill Gates pays for your college” plan.  Her emphasizing that the proposed tax is only 2% of wealth (I believe 3% above $1 billion) doesn’t change the fact that it’s forcing a handful of Americans to pay the debts millions of others freely entered into. It just strikes me as morally wrong. I also don’t like the slippery slope of a wealth tax. How long before the FIRE crowd sees their $1-2 million stash targeted?

Sanders:  Like Warren he seems passionate and genuine. His heart is in the right place. Also like Warren, I think his economic policies are generally bad ideas. I just don’t see myself supporting someone that far to the left economically. Like with Warren, I’d probably vote third party if he’s the nominee.

Harris:  Very polished but I felt like I came away barely knowing more about her positions than going into the town hall. Lots of responses that she’d like to study an issue and little substance beyond the single payer healthcare discussion. I did really like the response to the question about her racial background and how it informed her thinking. I just don’t know enough from that appearance to really form an opinion on her as a presidential candidate.

Buttigieg:  Very impressive given his age and level of political experience, but still thin on policy at this point. What’s interesting to me about him is that my parents saw him on one of the Sunday morning shows and were impressed. They were both Gary Johnson voters in 2016 because they disliked both Clinton and Trump. The Republicans haven’t spent a lot of effort the last few years trying to define him yet as compared to Warren, Harris, or Sanders. Maybe that makes it easier for him to pull in swing voters that don’t have preconceived notions of him? His youth and inexperience might actually be an advantage (Reagan rolls over in his grave).


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« Reply #364 on: April 28, 2019, 01:26:34 PM »
Honestly, I know there are a lot of blue state Americans who would love to have the kind of socialist utopia that they have in Scandinavia, but if the Democrats want to win the election then they need to nominate someone who will appeal to the kind of person that far-left socialists hate: moderate white people who live in flyover states. They have to get over the fact that they think Uncle Elmer clipping his hedges on a Sunday afternoon in Grand Rapids, Michigan is a descendant of thieving, murdering rapists and consider that Uncle Elmer thinks maybe we should promote job creation where he lives instead of just in San Francisco.

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« Reply #365 on: April 28, 2019, 02:31:39 PM »
The Dem candidate list has ballooned from massive to unwieldy, even with the help of various fivethirtyeight info-graphics. Nevertheless, I don't figure that any of the candidates are that strong: Bernie blew his wad last time, Biden is a bit of a creeper, a lot of the others have really bad names (Swalwell? Yeah right). I have a fondness for Mayor Pete but he is small-time and probably has the Beto problem: the more you learn about him, the less substance is there. I'm going to guess right now that the nominee will be a female (my gut says it will be Warren for no rational reason).

Anecdata (vaguely related to WTC's post): today while driving around the Confederacy, I went under a bridge that was covered in Trump supporters waving American flags. Not sure what inspired them to do so on a Sunday morning but it was a bit of a surprise. Everyone's getting into gear for 2020, which will probably feel like the longest Presidential election ever!

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« Reply #366 on: May 01, 2019, 10:26:51 AM »
I'm beginning to settle on Warren as my favorite candidate. She's got substance and integrity. She cares.

https://www.thenation.com/article/elizabeth-warren-policy-ideas-primary-2020/

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« Reply #367 on: May 01, 2019, 10:42:34 AM »
Curious to know what you all think of the AOC effect. The Green New Deal is a massive overhaul that offers much of what Democrats traditionally campaign on. Many of the candidates seem to be focusing on the elements within such as climate control, debt forgiveness for tuition, and immigration, but not many seem to have a way ahead that addresses the total package.

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« Reply #368 on: May 01, 2019, 10:52:01 AM »
I have a fondness for Mayor Pete but he is small-time and probably has the Beto problem: the more you learn about him, the less substance is there.
For what it's worth, I thought something very similar about Clinton being small-time back in early 90s, and we know how that ended. While it seems obvious now, let's not forget that he was a no-name Governor from hicksville Arkansas (do they even have electricity?) that decided to run against an extremely popular (at the time Clinton got in the race) sitting President who had just clobbered Saddam Hussein in a 100 hour war.
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« Reply #369 on: May 01, 2019, 10:52:16 AM »
Curious to know what you all think of the AOC effect. The Green New Deal is a massive overhaul that offers much of what Democrats traditionally campaign on. Many of the candidates seem to be focusing on the elements within such as climate control, debt forgiveness for tuition, and immigration, but not many seem to have a way ahead that addresses the total package.

If I'm not mistaken, about half a dozen of the POTUS candidates in the Congress have signed on as co-sponsors of the GND, so there is at least tacit approval.  However, I don't know how popular the GND is with independents, so I think the candidates are trying to perform a balancing act.

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« Reply #370 on: May 01, 2019, 09:13:28 PM »
Senator Michael Bennet of Colorado is teasing an announcement about running.  He would be official candidate #21.  Wowzers.

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« Reply #371 on: May 02, 2019, 07:03:49 AM »
Mayor Pete is on the cover of time. http://time.com/

And the buzz apparently is that Oprah likes him, although she apparently can't pronounce his name (so not sure how much she's dug into him, or if she's just being playful). I disagree with people who say he is peaking too early. People who see him generally like him, even if they don't think he is liberal enough. And when you start with ZERO name recognition, and when you're running against candidates who have a LOT of recognition, huge networks already built, staffs of over 200 people, and senate funds they can raid when they want, you have such a gigantic hole to climb out of that you have to be aggressive in seeking media attention and donors. People may get sick of him; we'll see. But I can't fault the strategy. You have to take your shot.

His campaign manager is working her ass off.
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« Reply #372 on: May 09, 2019, 12:30:32 PM »
I'm beginning to settle on Warren as my favorite candidate. She's got substance and integrity. She cares.

https://www.thenation.com/article/elizabeth-warren-policy-ideas-primary-2020/

She is out here KILLING IT with the policy proposals and shaking hands and listening to people. I am stunned by her energy, stamina, and passion. I'm all in for her (though of course I will vote for a sentient Ziploc bag if it gets the Dem nomination).

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« Reply #373 on: May 14, 2019, 09:18:03 AM »
Tulsi Gabbard did a 2.5hr podcast with Rogan yesterday. I'm about a half hour into so far...decent stuff...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kR8UcnwLH24

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« Reply #374 on: May 14, 2019, 09:34:13 AM »
What do you think of Elizabeth Warren's Republican past? For me, it's a bonus as I've gone through a similar though less striking change in my life. https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/04/12/elizabeth-warren-profile-young-republican-2020-president-226613

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« Reply #375 on: May 14, 2019, 12:01:46 PM »
I keep going back and forth on Warren.

I like much of what she stands for, and she's obviously brilliant. I used to be a Republican too, so I don't hold that against her. People are allowed to change and grow.

But on the other hand, she is going around bragging about not hitting up big money donors ("bundlers") in her Presidential run, but she still transferred $10M from her Senate fund to her Presidential fund and, guess what, she used bundlers and accepted those $2,700 checks for her Senate campaign, so she's just doing an 'end round.'

That strikes me as very hypocritical, and not very smart either. Does she really think she's going to raise enough cash to win the primary (and then win a general???) without high-dollar donors?

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« Reply #376 on: May 14, 2019, 05:01:26 PM »
What do you think of Elizabeth Warren's Republican past? For me, it's a bonus as I've gone through a similar though less striking change in my life. https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/04/12/elizabeth-warren-profile-young-republican-2020-president-226613

I can’t see that as a problem. I appreciate people who can grow and think critically. And the Republican party of her youth was not the vile cancer it is today.

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« Reply #377 on: May 14, 2019, 05:13:22 PM »
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That strikes me as very hypocritical, and not very smart either. Does she really think she's going to raise enough cash to win the primary (and then win a general???) without high-dollar donors?

I guess we'll see. If it works, everyone will be hailing it as genius. It will revolutionize how politics are done in this country. I mean, we've just had an extended lesson on how being selfish, corrupt, and criminal wins all the prizes.  I want a Hollywood ending where good triumphs over evil.

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« Reply #378 on: May 14, 2019, 09:44:02 PM »
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That strikes me as very hypocritical, and not very smart either. Does she really think she's going to raise enough cash to win the primary (and then win a general???) without high-dollar donors?

I guess we'll see. If it works, everyone will be hailing it as genius. It will revolutionize how politics are done in this country. I mean, we've just had an extended lesson on how being selfish, corrupt, and criminal wins all the prizes.  I want a Hollywood ending where good triumphs over evil.

I'm interested to see how this plays out as well. I can see funds transparency being more important during the Democratic primary race, and having the most transparent and "morally acceptable" sources of donations could have non-monetary value in terms of making a candidate more attractive to voters, thus ramping up individual support where it really counts, at the ballot box.

However, this appears to only be a game the Democrats are playing and I can see donation promises being broken by whoever gets on the Democrat ticket during the primary since it doesn't seem republican voters/ Trump supporters in general, care about donation sources and will not put their candidate on the same moral tightrope the Democrats do.

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« Reply #379 on: May 20, 2019, 07:14:01 AM »
Pete crushed it on Fox last night. Did anyone watch him?

I thought Wallace was fair. He pushed Pete on abortion, his lack of black support, and some other issues, but journalists are supposed to push back and dig deeper, so no complaints. The crowd (who I suppose Pete had a hand in picking) nodding, clapping and cheering for most all of his answers created some great optics for people viewing at home. Pete came out swinging hard for women's reproductive rights and made his position clear. Oh, and calling out Ingraham and Tucker Carlson (on FOX!) for their moronic statements (on FOX!) was so satisfying!

Now did he win any new supporters? Who knows? Even if he just won over a few, I think it was a good move. His campaign manager is awesome.

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« Reply #380 on: May 20, 2019, 07:48:30 PM »
I was able to see a clip of Pete's interview on Fox and was very impressed.  I don't have regular TV so not sure how I could see the whole interview.
But was reading a Washington Post article about Biden's rally in Philadelphia, and the article included various news clips.
I was also impressed with Biden's enthusiasm and energy during this rally.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/05/19/biden-end-beginning/?utm_term=.4f95ec2c1100&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1

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« Reply #381 on: May 21, 2019, 04:08:24 AM »
I was able to see a clip of Pete's interview on Fox and was very impressed.  I don't have regular TV so not sure how I could see the whole interview.

The whole thing is up on youtube -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p97xg-keEKg

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« Reply #382 on: May 21, 2019, 05:03:15 AM »
I was impressed with him, but then again I expected to be because I am nearly always impressed by him. I like that he isn't hyperbolic, as many presidential candidates of past and present are; it makes the times he does come out swinging, even that much more savage. Just an observation in terms of delivery, I like how he doesn't tend to feed off of the crowd's energy when he's talking to someone. by that I mean he has this habit of making you forget there's an audience, pausing to allow the applause and hooplah to pass, while straight faced and waiting to finish his thought. His "I don't care"comment in response to Trump's tweets, was so impactful because while a natural urge would get a self-satisfied smirk at the audience's explosive reaction, he continued focusing on Wallace, and letting the words hang there in his expression, conveying even more so that he really doesn't care about Trump's insults, and wasn't just playing at being non chalant.

He has great natural instincts and while I don't know yet who I will support, he is the one I am most excited to see in the debates. I think he has a killer combination of great natural instincts and learned behavior (I can tell how much his philosophy studies have guided his interactions with people and his motivations).

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« Reply #383 on: May 21, 2019, 08:45:32 AM »
I was able to see a clip of Pete's interview on Fox and was very impressed.  I don't have regular TV so not sure how I could see the whole interview.
But was reading a Washington Post article about Biden's rally in Philadelphia, and the article included various news clips.
I was also impressed with Biden's enthusiasm and energy during this rally.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/05/19/biden-end-beginning/?utm_term=.4f95ec2c1100&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1

Didn't the President also have a rally last night? I think he mentioned that he might run for additional terms after the second one...

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« Reply #384 on: May 21, 2019, 06:07:43 PM »
I am tempted to back Biden, just to see the show down. I hesitate to say I think he would win, because I have a feeling if he got to the GE, we would have another “so close” moment. Rumor is out that John McCain’s family will back Biden; that could definitely turn moderate Republicans who are sick and by Trump. A huge advantage most of the other candidates do not have.

He's the most likely to win against Trump in the general election.  He needs to hope the economy goes to shit, though, before then.  Go Biden, but don't cut SS.
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« Reply #385 on: May 23, 2019, 10:30:29 AM »
I am tempted to back Biden, just to see the show down. I hesitate to say I think he would win, because I have a feeling if he got to the GE, we would have another “so close” moment. Rumor is out that John McCain’s family will back Biden; that could definitely turn moderate Republicans who are sick and by Trump. A huge advantage most of the other candidates do not have.

He's the most likely to win against Trump in the general election.  He needs to hope the economy goes to shit, though, before then.  Go Biden, but don't cut SS.
https://www.fool.com/retirement/2019/05/17/joe-biden-has-called-for-social-security-cuts-3-ti.aspx

Yuck don't agree with Biden's efforts at cutting SS benefits.

And if the stock market continues its downward march, and trade situation worsens around the globe, we may very well see a recession starting sometime this year or by 2020

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« Reply #386 on: June 07, 2019, 12:24:57 PM »
I've made up my mind. Elizabeth Warren. 

This is a great article.  https://thebulwark.com/why-elizabeth-warren-matters
And all her plans are here, I think:  https://medium.com/@teamwarren

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Re: 2020 POTUS Candidates
« Reply #387 on: June 07, 2019, 01:31:45 PM »
The debates are close enough now (after the seemingly endless number of town halls) that I'm actually getting excited to see the candidates face off. We'll find out next week how they are paired up. I think I read that, of the top nine candidates (going down to Castro), that 4 of them will be randomly put in one debate, and the other 5 in the other, so there will be "some tier" people in each.

I am hoping for Bernie and Biden to be matched up, as I think Bernie is the most likely to come after him aggressively.

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Re: 2020 POTUS Candidates
« Reply #388 on: June 07, 2019, 04:30:41 PM »
The debates are close enough now (after the seemingly endless number of town halls) that I'm actually getting excited to see the candidates face off. We'll find out next week how they are paired up. I think I read that, of the top nine candidates (going down to Castro), that 4 of them will be randomly put in one debate, and the other 5 in the other, so there will be "some tier" people in each.

I am hoping for Bernie and Biden to be matched up, as I think Bernie is the most likely to come after him aggressively.

I thought it was totally random.  But maybe they changed the rules again.

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Re: 2020 POTUS Candidates
« Reply #389 on: June 07, 2019, 05:36:26 PM »
The debates are close enough now (after the seemingly endless number of town halls) that I'm actually getting excited to see the candidates face off. We'll find out next week how they are paired up. I think I read that, of the top nine candidates (going down to Castro), that 4 of them will be randomly put in one debate, and the other 5 in the other, so there will be "some tier" people in each.

I am hoping for Bernie and Biden to be matched up, as I think Bernie is the most likely to come after him aggressively.

I thought it was totally random.  But maybe they changed the rules again.

Yeah they changed the rules to make sure a few of the top tier people are in each one (maybe for ratings).

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Re: 2020 POTUS Candidates
« Reply #390 on: June 07, 2019, 10:02:46 PM »
The debates are close enough now (after the seemingly endless number of town halls) that I'm actually getting excited to see the candidates face off. We'll find out next week how they are paired up. I think I read that, of the top nine candidates (going down to Castro), that 4 of them will be randomly put in one debate, and the other 5 in the other, so there will be "some tier" people in each.

I am hoping for Bernie and Biden to be matched up, as I think Bernie is the most likely to come after him aggressively.

I thought it was totally random.  But maybe they changed the rules again.

Yeah they changed the rules to make sure a few of the top tier people are in each one (maybe for ratings).

Makes sense.  I am guessing that the field will narrow quite a bit after the first debate or two (or first primary/caucus or two), so I think they'll be able to fit into one debate soon enough.

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« Reply #391 on: June 08, 2019, 12:45:16 PM »
Do you think the debates will be available on youtube ?

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« Reply #392 on: June 08, 2019, 01:25:08 PM »
Do you think the debates will be available on youtube ?

Streamed live, I should think, either on youtube or the relevant networks - NBC/MSNBC for the first, I think.

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« Reply #393 on: June 08, 2019, 03:21:51 PM »
From the link:

The opening Democratic debate of the 2020 election cycle is on June 26 and June 27 in Miami, Florida. The event will take place over the course of two days due to the high volume of candidates vying for the party's nomination and the opportunity take on President Donald Trump.

There are currently 20 Democrats who are eligible to partake in the event, according to an analysis by CNN. That includes many of the race's top contenders, like Joe Biden, Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren and Kamala Harris.

https://www.newsweek.com/2020-democratic-primary-debates-schedule-candidates-qualified

I guess I just don't get why any one of them shouldn't beat Mr. Trump.  It's pretty obvious he was a crook before he got into the White House and has been quite the liar after he entered his new domicile.  I don't think al the crap they lay at the Donald's feet is "fake news."

So what characteristics are desirable, better fiscal policy?, fix the health care thing?, no more of these foreign wars?, take the climate thing seriously, help with the student loan issue, etc.

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« Reply #394 on: June 10, 2019, 04:31:03 PM »
^ I think in the current Democratic primary culture, progressive agenda is going to be the be-all-end-all for many democrats. Biden will very quickly find out that this is not a presidential election cycle like ye olden days, and being a centrist “good ole boy” might not be the safe bet (for primaries anyway).

He got to coast while Obama did the heavy lifting in 08 and 12, but he just does not seem motivated enough to do what it takes to secure the bid and I have a feeling his polls will continue to fall as others’ rise. I knew he had no innovative ideas or agenda when his announcement video came out and the main focus was racial injustice and Charlottesville. It was weak, pandering, and lazy.

I saw an old video on the Daily Show of an interaction he had in a hearing with Elizabeth Warren, where she came with facts and he came with zingers, And when she fired against his zingers with those facts, all he could do was put on a shit eating grin and say well you’re a smart one aren’t you... or something equally condescending, And that pretty much confirmed what I already knew, that he’s not there to make real change and solve real problems. Maybe a long time ago he was, but he seems to have settled in to politics quite nicely and by that point of the video, and it was clear that he was more concerned at maintaining the status quo until he retired or died.

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« Reply #395 on: June 10, 2019, 08:49:17 PM »
I read a book Elizabeth Warren wrote about her history.  I was kind of impressed.  Poor girl makes good.  I like some of what Trump does, but he strikes me as having been born with the silver spoon in his mouth.  It might be good to get a people's candidate this time.  Sometimes, they can relate more to the average Joe or Jane. 

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« Reply #396 on: June 12, 2019, 09:58:29 AM »
Speaking of Warren, it looks like she has finally pulled ahead of Bernie in some new polls. In both of the newest Economist/YourGov polls, she leads him 16% to 12% (Biden is at 26/27% and Mayor Pete is at 8%)

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-primaries/democratic/national/

Still a very long way to go, but this has to help her with fundraising. We'll find out the candidate debate slots on Friday morning. I would suspect both she and Pete will perform well at the debate, and I'm assuming someone will "have a moment" and come out of nowhere. Any guesses who that will end up being?

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« Reply #397 on: June 12, 2019, 12:18:35 PM »
I read a book Elizabeth Warren wrote about her history.  I was kind of impressed.  Poor girl makes good.  I like some of what Trump does, but he strikes me as having been born with the silver spoon in his mouth.  It might be good to get a people's candidate this time.  Sometimes, they can relate more to the average Joe or Jane.

Can you be more specific about your Trump comment? What is an issue on which you'd prefer Trump's position to Warren's?

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« Reply #398 on: June 12, 2019, 04:46:19 PM »
I read a book Elizabeth Warren wrote about her history.  I was kind of impressed.  Poor girl makes good.  I like some of what Trump does, but he strikes me as having been born with the silver spoon in his mouth.  It might be good to get a people's candidate this time.  Sometimes, they can relate more to the average Joe or Jane.

Can you be more specific about your Trump comment? What is an issue on which you'd prefer Trump's position to Warren's?

In my opinion, blanket Student loan forgiveness, for one.
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Re: 2020 POTUS Candidates
« Reply #399 on: June 12, 2019, 05:14:57 PM »
I read a book Elizabeth Warren wrote about her history.  I was kind of impressed.  Poor girl makes good.  I like some of what Trump does, but he strikes me as having been born with the silver spoon in his mouth.  It might be good to get a people's candidate this time.  Sometimes, they can relate more to the average Joe or Jane.

Can you be more specific about your Trump comment? What is an issue on which you'd prefer Trump's position to Warren's?

No, I can't.  I never said I preferred his positions over Warren's.  Sorry, man you'll have no argument from me.  There is a lot of what he does that I consider disgusting.  He lies.  He is a con man.  He wants to take health care from millions of Americans.  What I like is that he, at least, proclaims that he wants to keep jobs here.  He has been quite vocal about keeping jobs here.  Yes, unfortunately, actions speak louder than words, but other Republicans have been quite mute when it comes to helping American workers.

Unlike Warren, I never read Trump's book. (The Art of The Deal)  Unlike Warren, Trump did not write it himself.

No time to discuss this further right now.