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Company reduces workday to 5 hours
« on: October 26, 2019, 08:44:33 PM »
I'm reading a great article from the Wall Street Journal, The 5-Hour Workday Gets Put to the Test. (Paywalled, but I have a PDF if anyone wants it.) It's about a tech consulting firm whose owner reduced the workday for everyone in the company from 8 to 5 hours - and it seems to be working.

I love this part, where he says that the standard 8-hour workday is padded with time-wasting activities (amen!), and that many more companies could do this if they eliminated distractions from the workplace and made sure that an employee's five hours in the office are their most productive hours:

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Mr. Rheingans, the firm's managing director, says employees can deliver the same output during a focused 25-hour week as in 40 hours interrupted with distractions.

“We have all experienced that: We sit in the office, out of energy, reading newspapers online or Facebook, just in need of the little pauses to recharge, but you don’t really recharge,” he says. “My idea is focusing on the first five hours and then just leave, and have a proper break.”

To accomplish that, small talk during work hours is discouraged. Social media is banned. Phones are kept in backpacks. Company email accounts are checked just twice a day. Most meetings are scheduled to last no more than 15 minutes.

As a result, the company produces the same level of output for clients despite shorter days, says Mr. Rheingans. He says the company, which develops websites, apps and e-commerce platforms, was profitable in 2018, the first full year he owned it. He says happier employees deliver better work for clients, and the shorter workday is a draw, boosting recruitment in Germany’s tight labor market.

He got the idea from another company, Tower Paddle Boards, which did the same thing in 2015. But they had just one problem - the best problem:

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Mr. Aarstol says the five-hour experiment was an initial success, allowing him to reward productive employees and weed out those marking time. Two years later, he limited five-hour days to the summer months because it sapped some employees’ enthusiasm.

“We lost the startup culture,” he says. “Everyone’s outside life got so much better, at the expense of their passion for the work.”

Even when business owners have generous policies and treat their employees well, there's always going to be a clash of interests: they want to get the most work they can out of us, we don't want to work any longer than necessary. But working life would be more pleasant for a lot of people, especially those who don't plan to retire early, if more employers followed Mustachian policies like these.

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Re: Company reduces workday to 5 hours
« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2019, 04:46:54 AM »
This would work well with certain industries that don't require a lot of communication or liaison with the outside world, clients, customers etc.

Not sure it would work well in other industries.

A lot of jobs e.g. customer service, maintenance, manual jobs etc also cannot be compressed in time.

Subject to all that, it's not a bad idea. When I was an employee I probably averaged 4 hours of productive work a day. Now that I'm self-employed, I average about 6-7 hours a day and it's exhausting.

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Re: Company reduces workday to 5 hours
« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2019, 06:20:34 AM »
This is a fantastic idea for so many companies.  There are so many moments of wasted time - hour long meetings with no agenda, and no real decisions, folks popping in to gossip.  I'd rather just work for 5 hours and leave.  Informational meetings could be boiled down to the basic principles and emailed.


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Re: Company reduces workday to 5 hours
« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2019, 07:34:35 AM »
What I have to wonder is if all that lost discussion time isn't being made up on the "off" hours? I can't see this working without some degree of always-on virtual contact to make up for the lack of communication during office hours.

Of course that still might be preferable for those of us whose real work involves the need for long blocks of uninterrupted focus on complex problems. But it's not the same as having a true 5-hour workday.
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Re: Company reduces workday to 5 hours
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2019, 07:54:35 AM »
I think it depends on how each person's brain works and how they function.  Personally, I need a lot of time wasting breaks to work optimally.  I can't go from writing brief A to writing brief B without clearing my head for a bit.  When I get stuck on something, I "waste" time online.  The reality though, is while "wasting" time, I usually have an epiphany, get unstuck, and go back to my writing.  I don't doubt there is 3 hours of wasted time in my day but I think I need that time to work optimally the other 5 hours.

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Re: Company reduces workday to 5 hours
« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2019, 04:01:16 PM »
I did this!  Sort of.  When both kids were smaller, I had times of part time work.

Kid #1, 30 hr/week.
Kid #2, 25 and then 32 hr/week

I got SO MUCH accomplished, and I was much happier (though still exhausted, cuz - babies!).

I had NO PATIENCE for chatting and flat out told the time wasters to pound sand when they came into my office/ cubicle/ whatever to BS.

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Re: Company reduces workday to 5 hours
« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2019, 07:53:27 AM »
I did this!  Sort of.  When both kids were smaller, I had times of part time work.

Kid #1, 30 hr/week.
Kid #2, 25 and then 32 hr/week

I got SO MUCH accomplished, and I was much happier (though still exhausted, cuz - babies!).

I had NO PATIENCE for chatting and flat out told the time wasters to pound sand when they came into my office/ cubicle/ whatever to BS.

I seriously feel like I get so much more done during a short work week vs a long work week.  I think having the option of pushing something to the next day (or getting it done early and slacking off), makes it more likely that I will pay attention to non-work related tasks (such as making this post).

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Re: Company reduces workday to 5 hours
« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2019, 01:43:11 AM »

To accomplish that, small talk during work hours is discouraged. Social media is banned. Phones are kept in backpacks. Company email accounts are checked just twice a day. Most meetings are scheduled to last no more than 15 minutes.


If we could only implement some of this in normal working life as well. Emails only twice a day. No skype popups at inconvenient times, no chatting, hopefully no people having conversations with your neighbors at work, disturbing the working person, no long meetings. Only, even 15 minute meetings can be disturbing if you are working in a flow and suddenly have to stop everything because of a stupid meeting (like the daily scrum).

It would be terribly nice if employers would see this light and pay the same for the 5 hour day as for the 40 hour day.