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Not Just Bikes (youtube)
« on: March 08, 2023, 02:27:55 AM »
This is a shameless plug for the Not Just Bikes youtube channel.

Jason Slaughter is a Canadian who moved to Amsterdam in The Netherlands with his wife and two children, to have a better quality of life. The main reason for the better quality of life, according to him (and data): bicycles!

Well-researched videos about bicycles, (clown) cars, (st)roads, parking, housing, etc.; lots of sarcastic comments, and collabs with City Beautiful, Strong Towns, Active Towns, Climate Town, and more.

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Re: Not Just Bikes (youtube)
« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2023, 07:31:17 AM »
+1. One of the best channels on YouTube in my opinion.

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Re: Not Just Bikes (youtube)
« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2023, 08:36:24 AM »
Yup! We talk a lot about Not Just Bikes in our house, and everything that's wrong with how our society is designed. (Walking around the suburbs makes it so easy to have those conversations...)

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Re: Not Just Bikes (youtube)
« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2023, 09:20:32 AM »
Most of the ideas he puts forward are pretty sensible, and after listening for a while you start to wonder why they're not already common place designs.

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Re: Not Just Bikes (youtube)
« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2023, 03:29:17 PM »
MMM and NJB are very synergistic—I think there's a bunch of us NJB fans around here, but then ironically you still see people discussing their bigass trucks and SUVs, and how cities are so unaffordably expensive one could never possibly live there, and how cities are crime-ridden dens of scum and villainy... Still a long way to go.

I grew up a sheltered suburban kid and never "got" cities, they were always overwhelming and unpleasant to me, and then I moved to New York City for grad school. I still had a bit of a west coast attitude about the concrete jungle and feeling like I needed an escape to nature, but I did pretty quickly adapt to loving the transit and walkability. Still, I felt that NYC was a thing for me to tolerate for the duration of grad school and then bail out of so I could live somewhere "normal" where it was convenient to drive a car to the grocery store and all that nonsense. (<-blech).

As a musician, all the good work is concentrated in big cities, so I started to be converted to the idea of permanent city-living by "The True Cost of Commuting" and "Rent vs Buy: If You Have to Ask, You Should Probably Rent", and simultaneously, this Hank Green video. If work is in the city, and living close to work is so much better for wellbeing, then acclimating to city life has a pretty damn high ROI.

Then I graduated and temporarily moved back in with my parents in suburbia. Right around then I found NJB, and the snowball of my urban radicalization began its tumble down the mountain. Oh the Urbanity, City Beautiful, and CityNerd give me a healthy dose of optimism about the American/Canadian cities that are doing it right so I don't just fall into the NJB trap of idealizing Europe/the Netherlands. Lots of the comparisons of Dutch cities from the '70s to now give me a lot of optimism that I'll live to see some massive potential realized in cities like NYC, SF, and Portland... even if the sun belt continues to double down on their dystopian vision of a world built for cars.

I've been traveling a lot for gigs and auditions over the couple years, and as someone who's not a big travel junky, being able to really critique cities as I explore them has made it a lot more fun for me. I can have loads of fun just walking around a city all day for free... well, for the cost of a cappuccino at a nice coffee shop (;

Anyway, the point of this being that Mustachianism (not just frugality, but happiness, eco-friendliness, the beauty of bikes, and building your "urban tribe") is extremely compatible with urbanism. Having read MMM was a huge part of what made me see the light of urbanism, and being into urbanism helps me reframe MMM into what living my best life looks like, in a career field that demands urban density to concentrate talented artists and interested audiences in one place.

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Re: Not Just Bikes (youtube)
« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2023, 05:10:19 PM »
I thought his most recent video about big stupid trucks was 100% overlap with (especially early) MMM blog content. (TL:DW - they are bigger, carry less, handle worse than station wagons, minivans or a classic white van, and are killing both us and the planet)
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN7mSXMruEo

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« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2023, 08:33:37 PM »
I love NJB too. As a carless (since 2019) suburban dweller in coastal SoCal (aka car hell) with it's limited public transit and lack of walking and biking infrastructure it's nice to see how other areas are making it work. It's not pleasant to ride amongst all big trucks, especially where there are limited bike lanes, but I've found it doable by going thru neighborhoods rather than large 6 lane suburban streets. Will add that we have very nice off street paved bike paths for recreational riding but most aren't good for commuting and the majority of people transport their bikes via car (big trucks) to the city bike paths.

Just saw an audition listing for the orchestra in Orange County - I looked up Google street view of the location of their concert hall and promptly decided to not bother.

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Re: Not Just Bikes (youtube)
« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2023, 01:31:50 AM »
"Bike Uber - maybe the next big thing ;-). " - Also known as riksha :)

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Re: Not Just Bikes (youtube)
« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2023, 08:39:59 AM »
Thanks for sharing this channel. Love it!

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Re: Not Just Bikes (youtube)
« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2023, 06:42:53 PM »
Want to add that the Strong Towns content that he references is also very much in line with mustachianism! I particularly like the fact that Strong Towns have a philosophy very similar to most people pursuing FIRE.  A town needs to play an infinite game where running out of money is not an option and people take more ownership over the success or failure of their endeavors instead of cities trying to pick winners and losers.  There are a lot of synergies between the different channels and practices!

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Re: Not Just Bikes (youtube)
« Reply #10 on: April 08, 2023, 06:07:18 PM »
Strong Towns interviewed Pete in 2016. I'm pretty sure that's how I discovered them.

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« Reply #11 on: April 08, 2023, 08:37:06 PM »
MMM's newest post is the most directly he's gotten into urbanism as the main topic for a post, as far as I know. Love to see it.

These kinds of New Urbanist pockets in car-centric regions are hopeful signs of progress, but it's telling that they're always cordoned off on municipal zoning maps as their own special exception to the rules shows how we've got such a long way to go. Real progress will start when the zoning rules of these special walkable developments are adopted in the ordinary zoning code for entire cities.

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Re: Not Just Bikes (youtube)
« Reply #12 on: April 08, 2023, 10:22:34 PM »
I thought his most recent video about big stupid trucks was 100% overlap with (especially early) MMM blog content. (TL:DW - they are bigger, carry less, handle worse than station wagons, minivans or a classic white van, and are killing both us and the planet)
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN7mSXMruEo

Those dirty mustachians/urbanists want to get rid of trucks! Won't someone think of the fragile children egos they're hauling!?!?!

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« Reply #13 on: April 15, 2023, 06:50:43 AM »
I thought his most recent video about big stupid trucks was 100% overlap with (especially early) MMM blog content. (TL:DW - they are bigger, carry less, handle worse than station wagons, minivans or a classic white van, and are killing both us and the planet)
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN7mSXMruEo

Those dirty mustachians/urbanists want to get rid of trucks! Won't someone think of the fragile children egos they're hauling!?!?!
I was at a stop light yesterday, light goes green, and we start moving along when someone in the lane next to me wants to change lanes. I don’t brake, but just accelerate slowly and the space opens up so he can change. In the meantime I get a honk behind me from a pickup truck. We drive on, maybe 30 seconds up the road, the same truck is on my bumper, and someone changes lanes into the small gap between me and the car ahead. I brake gently to create more room so I’m not in a sandwich in an accident. The truck behind me took that as a personal affront and races to change lanes to give me the big glare and a ‘what are you doing’ hand gesture. The whole interaction kinda soured my day more than I’d like to admit, because I’m trying to do the right thing for traffic flow and safety and this asshat thinks he’s the main character. It doesn’t help that I’m driving a Prius - I genuinely believe I get more aggressive driving behavior from trucks when I am driving that than when I have the Dodge Durango from work.

Anyway, all of that is a very long way of saying I totally agree with the Not Just Bikes take on pickup trucks, and just about everything he discusses. Trucks are a disease on the road system that are keeping people poor.
My local town is becoming victim to the ‘stroad’. They recently widened each way of the main highway through town to three lanes. They had room enough to do the kind of system Not Just Bikes suggests with a central road and then a parallel side road that accesses the local parking lots, but instead we just get the big, dumb highway with a thin sidewalk and stop lights in excess. Like everywhere else in America.

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« Reply #14 on: September 21, 2023, 02:23:21 PM »
So I just watched the “Stupid Trucks” video. He makes some great points and I generally agree with him. However, I think one thing that bugs me a bit is that he’s such an asshole. It’s kinda funny, but I just don’t feel like he’s going to be changing many minds with the moralistic viewpoint he’s got. His entire thesis is that “ You’re stupid if you drive a truck”.  Which yes, it’s dumb to drive a 5500 pound vehicle for one person to get to work. But as soon as people get offended they stop listening, and your ability to persuade completely evaporates.  And, yes, when you call people stupid, they get offended whether they’ll admit it or not.

So is he just trying to get clicks from people who already agree? Or is he actually trying to influence behavior. I’m thinking is the former, unfortunately. Nobody that doesn’t already agree with him will make it past two minutes of that video.

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« Reply #15 on: September 21, 2023, 02:43:24 PM »
So I just watched the “Stupid Trucks” video. He makes some great points and I generally agree with him. However, I think one thing that bugs me a bit is that he’s such an asshole. It’s kinda funny, but I just don’t feel like he’s going to be changing many minds with the moralistic viewpoint he’s got. His entire thesis is that “ You’re stupid if you drive a truck”.  Which yes, it’s dumb to drive a 5500 pound vehicle for one person to get to work. But as soon as people get offended they stop listening, and your ability to persuade completely evaporates.  And, yes, when you call people stupid, they get offended whether they’ll admit it or not.

So is he just trying to get clicks from people who already agree? Or is he actually trying to influence behavior. I’m thinking is the former, unfortunately. Nobody that doesn’t already agree with him will make it past two minutes of that video.

That video was quite a bit different than his usual formula of talking about transportation infrastructure. He can be abrasive at times, but I would think less so than the MMM persona.

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« Reply #16 on: September 21, 2023, 02:57:01 PM »
+1 on the a-hole vibe.  Also from what I recall (watched a bunch about a year ago) is pretty repetitive and only talks about one thing.  Not Just Bikes...Just Anti-Stroads.  Got any other topics?  We get it, you don't like how cities grow nowadays.  Enjoy your 300 year old town.

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Re: Not Just Bikes (youtube)
« Reply #17 on: October 02, 2023, 01:42:24 AM »
The Dutch city of Almere was built from scratch in 1976, and currently has around 215,000 inhabitants. It has a shopping centre, good bike infrastructure, all types of houses, and a good connection to public transport. It can be done :)

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Re: Not Just Bikes (youtube)
« Reply #18 on: October 02, 2023, 08:38:26 AM »
Love Not Just Bikes!  In a similar vein, the CityNerd YouTube channel is an excellent source of data and perspective on urbanism and transport. Great dry humor and perspective. I am a big fan.

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« Reply #19 on: December 13, 2023, 07:30:24 AM »
I've had an amateur interest in urban design for years and have gotten a lot out of Not Just Bikes! I grew up in sprawling, car-focused southern California and moved to NYC as a young adult. It's been interesting knowing both lifestyles. I just went to find CityNerd and look forward to seeing his videos.

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« Reply #20 on: January 07, 2024, 02:36:14 PM »
+1 on the a-hole vibe.  Also from what I recall (watched a bunch about a year ago) is pretty repetitive and only talks about one thing.  Not Just Bikes...Just Anti-Stroads.  Got any other topics?  We get it, you don't like how cities grow nowadays.  Enjoy your 300 year old town.

Actually, he does talk about other things, not just anti stroads. 

One of my favorite ones is of their TRASH cans and pickup.  If you haven't seen it, highly recommend - it makes so much more sense than what we do in the US.

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« Reply #21 on: February 13, 2024, 07:02:44 PM »
So I just watched the “Stupid Trucks” video. He makes some great points and I generally agree with him. However, I think one thing that bugs me a bit is that he’s such an asshole. It’s kinda funny, but I just don’t feel like he’s going to be changing many minds with the moralistic viewpoint he’s got. His entire thesis is that “ You’re stupid if you drive a truck”.  Which yes, it’s dumb to drive a 5500 pound vehicle for one person to get to work. But as soon as people get offended they stop listening, and your ability to persuade completely evaporates.  And, yes, when you call people stupid, they get offended whether they’ll admit it or not.

So is he just trying to get clicks from people who already agree? Or is he actually trying to influence behavior. I’m thinking is the former, unfortunately. Nobody that doesn’t already agree with him will make it past two minutes of that video.

That video was quite a bit different than his usual formula of talking about transportation infrastructure. He can be abrasive at times, but I would think less so than the MMM persona.

Agreed. I understand some people don't like NJB's narrator character, but I'm surprised that some Mustachians find that persona offputting. I find MMM much more aggressive!

I like both of their works, and I was predisposed to agree with them when I first found them. Maybe that's part of it?

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« Reply #22 on: February 15, 2024, 03:02:17 PM »
So I just watched the “Stupid Trucks” video. He makes some great points and I generally agree with him. However, I think one thing that bugs me a bit is that he’s such an asshole. It’s kinda funny, but I just don’t feel like he’s going to be changing many minds with the moralistic viewpoint he’s got. His entire thesis is that “ You’re stupid if you drive a truck”.  Which yes, it’s dumb to drive a 5500 pound vehicle for one person to get to work. But as soon as people get offended they stop listening, and your ability to persuade completely evaporates.  And, yes, when you call people stupid, they get offended whether they’ll admit it or not.

So is he just trying to get clicks from people who already agree? Or is he actually trying to influence behavior. I’m thinking is the former, unfortunately. Nobody that doesn’t already agree with him will make it past two minutes of that video.

That video was quite a bit different than his usual formula of talking about transportation infrastructure. He can be abrasive at times, but I would think less so than the MMM persona.

Agreed. I understand some people don't like NJB's narrator character, but I'm surprised that some Mustachians find that persona offputting. I find MMM much more aggressive!

I like both of their works, and I was predisposed to agree with them when I first found them. Maybe that's part of it?

I think MMM is more about an individual person being stupid and it is clear to me that a person such as myself can choose to do things different.  It is clearly a plausibly good use of my time to learn from this guy!

NJB is (in "his usual formula") continuously railing against the dominant form/result of city planning in the USA and I just don't see myself walking into the city planning office and making a difference.  No clearly plausible benefit to me comes from watching NJB.  Though I would completely believe that in the aggregate there is some impact...he catches the ear of the right person or enough people make comments.  But it quickly reaches diminishing returns for me personally.