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Advice on buying my first Kayak?
« on: June 28, 2013, 12:56:35 PM »
So currently I live less than 2 miles from the boat launch on a lake. I've never lived that far from a lake or river and over the past few years I have been out kayaking a few times. I really enjoyed it and think it would be worthwhile to get myself a kayak. Both for the exercise and recreation. Ideally I'd like this to be a buy it for life type purchase. I've been told don't cheap out on the seat as it can make a huge difference. I imagine I won't be hitting rapids so primarily I would be using it for lakes and smoother rivers. I'm about 5'10" and 180lbs. So any suggestions on what I should look for? And any other suggestions such as paddle, life vest, etc? Thanks in advance for the suggestions!

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Re: Advice on buying my first Kayak?
« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2013, 01:54:39 PM »
I *really* want a kayak.  I live 24 miles from the launch on the lake mead.  I even know the perfect (for me) kayak to get: a jackson journey.   But....  realistically, when I look at the number of trips I make a year, the numbers favor renting instead of buying (for now). 

Anyhow, this is what I look for in a kayak:
  • A really big thing is how aggressive the bow line is and how wide the boat is.  Narrow boats with a strong 'V' shape will require you to actively flex your core mussels often to maintain stability (but you gain speed).  For some folks, that's a non-starter.  Wider boats with a 'U' shaped hull will be slower but with lots more stability.  If you ever plan on fishing from your boat, you want wider and 'U' shaped.
  • I prefer sit-in style kayaks.
  • I like webbing in the front, so that if I need both my hands, I can stash the paddle in the webbing without worry.
  • I like having bulkheads separate the passenger area from the cargo areas.  This gives me peace of mind that even if I roll, my boat won't sink.  and my gear will stay dry.
  • Make sure the access portal on your cargo area is large enough for your gear to fit through the opening- 35 liter dry bag, sleeping bag, tent... etc.
  • Seat and knee padding is a must.
  • adjustable back support is important.
  • I like having a retractable rudder.  I've repaired a rudder on a rental journey in about 7 minutes using improvised tools, so bonus for repairability in the design.
  • I like quality plastic boats more than fiberglass.  fiberglass can crack if you step into the boat on dry land.
  • I like 14 foot boats for the kind of paddling I do, and the places I go. 
 

if possible, RENT the boat you plan to buy BEFORE YOU BUY IT. 


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Re: Advice on buying my first Kayak?
« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2013, 02:42:03 PM »
Long, narrow, v-hull, sit-in kayaks are my favorite.  They roll a little easier, but are much nicer to paddle any long distance.

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Re: Advice on buying my first Kayak?
« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2013, 09:30:01 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwYc7p_oNDg

You make a kayak out of a 4'x8' piece of coroplast.  The price is right, especially for an ocassional paddle.  :)

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Re: Advice on buying my first Kayak?
« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2013, 09:32:45 PM »
Craigslist whatever you get. The used boat market is unbelievably soft because they're heavy and inconvenient and hard to store and people think they'll fall in love with the hobby and then don't. I got my 17' canoe for $125 after it was used for less than a season.

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Re: Advice on buying my first Kayak?
« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2013, 03:16:40 PM »
I *really* want a kayak.  I live 24 miles from the launch on the lake mead.  I even know the perfect (for me) kayak to get: a jackson journey.   But....  realistically, when I look at the number of trips I make a year, the numbers favor renting instead of buying (for now). 

Anyhow, this is what I look for in a kayak:
  • A really big thing is how aggressive the bow line is and how wide the boat is.  Narrow boats with a strong 'V' shape will require you to actively flex your core mussels often to maintain stability (but you gain speed).  For some folks, that's a non-starter.  Wider boats with a 'U' shaped hull will be slower but with lots more stability.  If you ever plan on fishing from your boat, you want wider and 'U' shaped.
  • I prefer sit-in style kayaks.
  • I like webbing in the front, so that if I need both my hands, I can stash the paddle in the webbing without worry.
  • I like having bulkheads separate the passenger area from the cargo areas.  This gives me peace of mind that even if I roll, my boat won't sink.  and my gear will stay dry.
  • Make sure the access portal on your cargo area is large enough for your gear to fit through the opening- 35 liter dry bag, sleeping bag, tent... etc.
  • Seat and knee padding is a must.
  • adjustable back support is important.
  • I like having a retractable rudder.  I've repaired a rudder on a rental journey in about 7 minutes using improvised tools, so bonus for repairability in the design.
  • I like quality plastic boats more than fiberglass.  fiberglass can crack if you step into the boat on dry land.
  • I like 14 foot boats for the kind of paddling I do, and the places I go. 
 

if possible, RENT the boat you plan to buy BEFORE YOU BUY IT.

Good points, but no need to rent.  Find a place selling it that will let you try it out instead.  :)

First decide your primary use: Day trips?  Weekend trips?  And your primary location: Sea?  Rivers?  If rivers, are you thinking Whitewater?  Creeking?  Or Playboating?  Those are VERY different boat shapes, so make sure you know what you'll use it for before you buy.

I second getting a boating that is sit-in, not upon (as a kayaker....sit upons are only just barely above inflatables in terms of the hierarchy of boats).  You'll be more comfortable, stay dry even when raining etc, particularly if you learn to roll your boat.  (ahem.  Safety tip.  Don't wear a skirt until you've done one wet exit.  We did not let my 85 yo grandmother wear one because we weren't going to dump her in the water.)

In regards to the hull...I bought a narrow kayak because I had a whitewater background in college.  My parents bought at the same time, and my mom opted for the next up in terms of length (adds to stability and makes it easier to track straight).  I prefer the quicker turning and more dynamic handling, based on whitewater exp.  My parents and I agreed on a storage: I store my kayak at their house near a lake.  In exchange, they can use mine whenever they want (and I can use theirs+the guest one), but if so used, my mom and I must trade kayaks rather than let guests use our kayaks.  If they kayak with another couple, my mom will paddle my kayak.  My mom has now gotten used to my kayak and where she once considered it more tippy, she now can't tell a difference.  You'll get used to it too - even if fishing.

Properly used, you probably only use a rudder about 5% of the time.  It's really not necessary, so if you want to save money, that's an easy one.  Learn to turn and paddle straight without one.

Agree webbing is good.  Great for waterbottles etc.  I find I don't drink as much as I should, so easy access is important to good hydration.  It's not a necessity though.

Yes, a life jacket is a must.  I'd check for one that gives a good range of motion on the arms.  Look online at whitewater ones as compared to the standard el cheapo red U version and you'll see what I mean.  If you need the life jacket, it can save your life, so again, don't skimp out here.  (If you are not planning on running whitewater or going sea kayaking, it may not be as necessary.)

Spend money on good drybags - you get what you pay for!  If debating between two medicore and one good drybag, get 1 good.  And get a dry bag to put your sleeping bag in if you plan on overnight trips.  You do NOT want a wet sleeping bag most of all.

If you are kayaking in colder weather, booties are well worth the investment.  You don't need things like poggies or a wet suit unless you are boating in *really* cold weather.  Also no need for a helmet unless doing whitewater.  You probably can reused outdoor/hiking gear, so no need to buy unless you can't find anything that isn't cotton.

Paddle.  Splurge for a carbon fiber one.  Get seconds if you want to save a little.  I got mine direct from Mitchell Paddles, as my college has a relationship with them.  You WILL appreciate not having a heavy plastic paddle in the long run.  Just don't then lean on it to get out of the boat.

Make sure you get a boat that you can carry by yourself if needed.  Doesn't need to be for long (I've carried a whitewater boat up the mountain and would never choose to do it again!), but you need to know you aren't dependent on others.

Fiberglass isn't worth the extra cost, unless you have a medical issue.  My friend who had leg cancer has one, per the rule above (be able to carry it yourself).  That and he likes it. 

Then look around for a used one.

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Re: Advice on buying my first Kayak?
« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2013, 10:09:54 AM »
Craigslist whatever you get. The used boat market is unbelievably soft because they're heavy and inconvenient and hard to store and people think they'll fall in love with the hobby and then don't. I got my 17' canoe for $125 after it was used for less than a season.

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I have two kayaks, both from CL.  Great bargains and minimal guilt if you love the hobby less than anticipated.  Also easy to recoup money should you decide to sell it and upgrade or abandon ship. 

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Re: Advice on buying my first Kayak?
« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2014, 09:55:29 PM »
I am interested in inflatable standup paddle boarding instead of kayak.
Check out tower ISUP and isupworld.com.  I bought a tower ISUP and took it on 2 week vacation to Cayman.  My wife and I had a blast SUP in the warm clear waters.  The 24 Lb board rolls up to size of sleeping bag and fits in duffle for checked luggage.  We would throw ISUP in jeep and travel island. Many people observed the blow up and all said same good idea.     keep Smiling letro
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Re: Advice on buying my first Kayak?
« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2014, 08:26:05 AM »
One of these days I will try it out. I went down a research rabbit hole a few years back, and almost pulled the trigger on this inflatable kayak. I didn't do it, but loved the idea that I could fit it in my pack, so a hike to a lake would be possible. The only reason I didn't get it was because it would primarily be used for fishing on a lake I hiked to, and I can barely avoid skewering myself with the hooks. I'll definitely keep an eye on this thread.
I am interested in inflatable standup paddle boarding instead of kayak.
Check out tower ISUP and isupworld.com

Now this would be fun. I've never used one, but I've thought about it, ever since I saw that article on MDA about it.

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Re: Advice on buying my first Kayak?
« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2014, 12:07:27 PM »
Check CL of course. Also Google and see if there are any kayak clubs in your area. These are also a great source for used kayaks.

If you run across a Hobie with the "Mirage Drive" give it a try. Great for lakes and smooth rivers. I had a Outback that I used for fishing when I used to live a few miles from Henderson Swamp in LA. They're pricey and not very mustachian but I loved being able to have my hands free and peddle around while casting.

See if any local shops do demos to get an idea of what style you like. If they do, they usually sell those demo models once a year at a nice discount.

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Re: Advice on buying my first Kayak?
« Reply #11 on: April 21, 2014, 09:49:57 PM »
I have an Emotion Sit-on-Top kayak.  It is very stable.  I fish out of it all the time.  I can even stand up in it and feel stable and I'm 6' 1" and 200 lbs.

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Re: Advice on buying my first Kayak?
« Reply #12 on: May 22, 2014, 12:56:57 PM »
There are paddle shops out there that do consignment sales (definitely worth checking out).  You can easily find used boats for 50%-70% of new cost, less if you peruse craigslist, have a good idea of what you want and are patient.  I echo the comments on sit-in plastic being the way to go--just make sure the hull is not buckled.  The trade off on length is hull speed vs weight and maneuverability.  Hull speed is the point on the speed vs. power curve where the power needed to gain incremental speed starts to increase at a faster rate.  Longer is faster, shorter is lighter and more maneuverable (also harder to track, but that depends on shape as well).  I have 17' boats, but would buy 12-14' if I were looking to paddle recreationally on flat water.  17' is real more than you need unless you're fighting currents.  Test paddle before you buy, if at all possible.

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Re: Advice on buying my first Kayak?
« Reply #13 on: May 23, 2014, 06:39:19 PM »
If you don't mind a project, these are great kits, and you get an extremely light, durable, fixable kayak for much less than a comparable fiberglass kayak.  Truly a lifetime purchase.  Not affiliated at all,  just a happy owner of the Wherry rowboat.  My wife and I have high performance fiberglass kayaks already, or I would be building us a couple of kayaks as well. 

I'm 5 10 and 170, and I would love to have the Murrellet, as it is similar in characteristics to my British boat.   A friend has the Coho, which is a better all around kayak, that I could recommend without hesitation. 

Not to mention, you'll get compliments everywhere you go, and you built it yourself.  If you have the space and time, it's a great way to go.

http://www.pygmyboats.com/

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« Reply #14 on: May 24, 2014, 10:47:13 AM »
If you don't mind a project, these are great kits, and you get an extremely light, durable, fixable kayak for much less than a comparable fiberglass kayak.  Truly a lifetime purchase.  Not affiliated at all,  just a happy owner of the Wherry rowboat.  My wife and I have high performance fiberglass kayaks already, or I would be building us a couple of kayaks as well. 

I'm 5 10 and 170, and I would love to have the Murrellet, as it is similar in characteristics to my British boat.   A friend has the Coho, which is a better all around kayak, that I could recommend without hesitation. 

Not to mention, you'll get compliments everywhere you go, and you built it yourself.  If you have the space and time, it's a great way to go.

http://www.pygmyboats.com/

I didn't even think of a build your own kit. I'll have to take a look at some of those. Thanks for the link.

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Re: Advice on buying my first Kayak?
« Reply #15 on: May 24, 2014, 02:36:13 PM »
I posted last month on the thread about side gigs about building pygmy kayaks. There is a guy in town that is making $30/hour putting these together. He takes orders so he is never holding on to inventory. From talking with a friend who built one, there is no prior woodworking skills needed. I am sure the guy that is making $30 an hour is experienced and fast.

I am debating making one for the experience.

Craigslist always has bargains on used kayaks. I am convinced that I can use may kayak for a year or so and sell it for what I purchased it for. 

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Re: Advice on buying my first Kayak?
« Reply #16 on: June 27, 2014, 07:17:53 PM »
Worth a try: Check ImagineSurf's Wizard SUP. I was in the market for a kayak and ended up going the SUP route....Stable, fun, durable, totally functional.....also 650 bones.....

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« Reply #17 on: June 28, 2014, 07:25:33 PM »
Worth a try: Check ImagineSurf's Wizard SUP. I was in the market for a kayak and ended up going the SUP route....Stable, fun, durable, totally functional.....also 650 bones.....

The local dive shop I have privileges at just revamped and are now offering some SUP classes, including SUP yoga. Not into yoga, but I think it will be a hell of a core workout. It'd be fun doing some yoga out on the lake at the park by my house when it's 20 degrees. That's badassity...

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Re: Advice on buying my first Kayak?
« Reply #18 on: July 07, 2014, 12:47:10 PM »
I have a few different inflatables that we use out on the lake. We've gotten a lot of enjoyment out of them. They're made by Sevylor, great quality. If you go with an inflatable, make sure it has a skeg... definitley a must. If I were buying one today, I'd probably go with this one, which has 2 small skegs....

http://www.sevylor.com/QuikPak-K1-Coverless-Sit-On-Top-Kayak-P2045C41.aspx

but only because I can't find this one any longer ...

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003652E00/ref=wms_ohs_product?ie=UTF8&psc=1

... they are not available on amazon as of today, but I got them for $70 each, what a bargain! If you can find them somewhere they are perfect for someone large or small. My brother is pushing 250 lbs and he still fits quite comfortably.

Good luck!

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« Reply #19 on: July 07, 2014, 03:35:17 PM »
I have a few different inflatables that we use out on the lake. We've gotten a lot of enjoyment out of them. They're made by Sevylor, great quality. If you go with an inflatable, make sure it has a skeg... definitley a must. If I were buying one today, I'd probably go with this one, which has 2 small skegs....

http://www.sevylor.com/QuikPak-K1-Coverless-Sit-On-Top-Kayak-P2045C41.aspx

but only because I can't find this one any longer ...

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003652E00/ref=wms_ohs_product?ie=UTF8&psc=1

... they are not available on amazon as of today, but I got them for $70 each, what a bargain! If you can find them somewhere they are perfect for someone large or small. My brother is pushing 250 lbs and he still fits quite comfortably.

Good luck!

I think I was looking at that exact one (second link) a few years back. Great minds, I suppose. :D

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Re: Advice on buying my first Kayak?
« Reply #20 on: July 11, 2014, 02:55:15 PM »
I live in the PNW and have two pygmy kayaks that I absolutely love. They are a joy to paddle. If you are only doing day trips on the lake, the Arctic Tern 14 would be a great choice, and light enough for most people to easily solo carry and load onto a car. They have sharp chines in the hull that allow it to track well enough that no rudder is needed. That said, there are plenty of other smaller plastic kayaks (Necky Manitou, for example) that are fun to paddle and decent boats. Boats that are really stable for fishing or standing up will have hull designs that are much slower if you are trying to cover distance. Both can be great boats, but think about how you want to use it. I bought and sold a few boats on CL for the same amount until I figured out what I liked and needed.

If you will be on a larger lake where you might not be able to easily swim to shore, you should make sure to know how to self rescue. A spare cheapo paddle that you can stash in the rear webbing, a paddle float, and a bailing device are also recommended if you will end up any kind of distance from shore. Practicing bracing and rescue stuff takes very little time and really makes paddling more enjoyable and safer. But, if you will be on small lake and never far from shore, then maybe not so big a deal.