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The Power of Habit discussion thread
« on: November 01, 2012, 09:02:35 AM »
This thread is for the discussion of the November 2012 MMM book club selection, the Power of Habit.

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Re: The Power of Habit discussion thread
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2012, 02:37:21 PM »
First book club book here, is there a format for the discussion, or just post what's on our minds?

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Re: The Power of Habit discussion thread
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2012, 02:39:22 PM »
Post what's on your mind. Feel free to set the course of the discussion.

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Re: The Power of Habit discussion thread
« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2012, 08:13:58 PM »
So how's everyone doing? I'm about 70 pages in myself. Part one has been good, but I honestly don't expect much from parts two or three. It seems like, with respect to personal habits, the meat of the book is all in part one and the rest will be mostly filler. Thoughts?

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Re: The Power of Habit discussion thread
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2012, 08:50:35 PM »
So how's everyone doing? I'm about 70 pages in myself. Part one has been good, but I honestly don't expect much from parts two or three. It seems like, with respect to personal habits, the meat of the book is all in part one and the rest will be mostly filler. Thoughts?

Finished the book yesterday, been meaning to post, but probably no time until Monday. It's not all filler (but some filler).

You should definitely look at his appendix summarizing how to study and change your own habits.

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Re: The Power of Habit discussion thread
« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2012, 08:44:45 AM »
OK, so I have to return the book today as it's already overdue. Some thoughts, in no particular order:

Clearly, from a personal habits perspective, a lot of the meat is in Part 1, and then also the Appendix. The "habit loop" information was new for me, so that was a helpful way to conceptualize how habits are formed and changed. It was also a new idea to me that, when one wants to change a habit, it's easier to keep the old cue-reward,

I think, however, that this stuff is going to be difficult to apply practically. For example, how do you figure out what the cue is for an existing habit, say biting one's nails? Also, how does one construct rewards if one wants to start a new habit - I certainly can't be rewarding myself with a chocolate chip cookie for every new thing I want to turn into a habit - my biking habit won't cover all of it. :-)

I have put it to some limited use recently, however. I use a computer based, interval learning flashcard program to study (called Anki) and my studying habit was rather haphazard. However, the rewards of using it daily, instead of almost-daily, are pretty large - it significantly reduces my study time per day to under 4 minutes for a total study content deck of nearly 400 flash cards. So, I picked a new cue - it's now the first thing I do when I sit down at the computer in the morning, before I check email or anything else. It seems to be working.

From an organizational perspective, I also found Paul O'Neil's story at Alcoa, and Rick Warren's Saddleback Church, to be insightful.

From Paul O'Neil's story, I've been thinking a lot about keystone habits and quick/small wins. I work at a somewhat dysfunctional organization, and there have been several failed efforts here at culture change. I suspect they failed because of the following:
  • there was no [sufficiently large] crisis to drive people to change their behaviors
  • people had too many culture change initiatives going on, making them hard for the organization to digest
  • they weren't able to make the change visible and concrete (e.g. improve our safety record)
  • the changes that did happen didn't require fundamental changes in other areas, and so didn't spread
Also, I've often heard managers say "we need quick wins", but it's never been explained that we want quick wins to show that change is possible, and build momentum. In fact, I'm not sure all of the managers who talk about "quick wins" even have the snowball effect clearly in mind - if they did, they might choose different areas to target. I suspect many of them mean "show that we accomplished something so I can put it on my performance review at the end of the year."

The Saddleback Church discussion got me thinking about the idea of, "if you want to change the person, change their habits." In addition to the practicality of that approach, it also struck me that there may also be moral questions raised there. Is being a faithful Christian about what you do, or what you believe? Ideally, both would be in harmony, but if you need to start by changing one, which should it be? This could be a longer discussion, which I'd be happy to take up if other readers are interested.


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Re: The Power of Habit discussion thread
« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2012, 11:47:12 AM »
I'm normally not big on pop psychology at all. It seems cheap, obvious, and preachy most of the time, and ineffective most of the rest of the time. This book has to be incredibly well written, because it's not pissing me off on any of those dimensions.

Like UIUWIO, I've gotten a lot from the middle organizational section. Much more than I expected to, in fact. One of the things I'm picking up is a sort of wide, positive view of the role of a company -- the examples of Alcoa and Starbucks especially emphasize how transformative it can be to find such a high level of support in the workplace. It makes me wonder how common that is, and how much our society's productivity and even overall societal good could be embraced by adhering to those sorts of principles. That said, they don't seem to be tied that closely to habit.

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Re: The Power of Habit discussion thread
« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2012, 11:54:15 AM »
Oh, one more non-habit-related comment: on 138-139, when he's discussing willpower and the studies showing that you have a 'reserve' of it that you use up, but that you can work on your willpower 'muscles' and increase your 'endurance' (here, ability to use willpower). There's a personal finance study, in which individuals save their money instead of spending it like it's going out of style, and doing so led to improved eating, drinking, and smoking habits among saving participants. Could willpower be one of the ways in which the bounty of Mustachianism spreads from one aspect of our lives to another?

 

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