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Predictably Irrational discussion thread
« on: June 26, 2013, 08:02:40 AM »
We're resurrecting the book club concept for this July, and the first book we selected was Dan Ariely's Predictably Irrational. Pick it up from your library or just follow the discussion in this thread.

For our international readers and those with the non-expanded version from the library, try and mention what chapter you're discussing when you quote or reference part of the book.

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« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2013, 08:30:06 AM »
I haven't read the book, but would like to mention that his coursera class is still up as an archive for anyone that wants to take a look at it.

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« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2013, 09:46:53 AM »
I'm still waiting for this from the library and while I'm waiting I've started reading another book called "The Righteous Mind: Why Good People are Divided by Politics and Religion." I say this because I was quite tickled to see that "Predictably Irrational" was quoted in a section of the book I read yesterday.

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« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2013, 11:55:36 AM »
Just got the ILL notice that my copy is in, I'll have it tomorrow and can post back in a few days:)

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Re: Predictably Irrational discussion thread
« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2013, 10:21:06 PM »
I'm in.  My copy is on hold at the library.  I should be getting it in soon.

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« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2013, 05:34:53 AM »
Ready to go.

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« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2013, 09:19:36 AM »
For some reason I bought it for a few bucks on a kindle sale long ago. Well, that works out. I'm ready to go.

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« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2013, 11:27:28 AM »
I just got an email that my library copy is ready.  i'm going to walk over there right now. 

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« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2013, 12:33:54 PM »
I read this a few months ago. I will never order meals in a restaurant the same way again. ;-)

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« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2013, 03:56:13 PM »
I just got this from the library, so I'm in! 

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« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2013, 04:25:39 PM »
I'm in.  Does the discussion start in this thread, and when?

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« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2013, 10:19:32 PM »
Haven't read it yet but it's on my TBR list.  Probably wont get to it for a few months though.

I just finished The Upside of Irrationality by Ariely.  Didn't realise it was sort of a sequel to PI until I started it though.  It was great.

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Re: Predictably Irrational discussion thread
« Reply #12 on: June 28, 2013, 03:31:58 AM »
It's a few years since I read the book, but I recently took his excellent Coursera course, which covered some of the main examples in the book. Is there a thread that explains how the book club works?

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« Reply #13 on: June 28, 2013, 06:07:29 PM »
Checked it out of the library today.  Am on p. 45 and think it's great.  Very helpful for MMM.

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Re: Predictably Irrational discussion thread
« Reply #14 on: June 28, 2013, 09:14:12 PM »
I'm in.  Does the discussion start in this thread, and when?
Yes it does. Now.

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« Reply #15 on: June 28, 2013, 10:42:12 PM »
I just got this from the library, so I'm in!

I just reserved the copy that KG didn't already nab! They have to march it down from the Lynden library in wooden shoes first, though. Hopefully it'll be in by Monday so I can start saying something profound.

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« Reply #16 on: June 29, 2013, 08:37:39 AM »
First, let me tell you how I got the book. I requested it from the library. When I got the email saying that it came, I went and picked it up. I believe it was raining, so I put the book in a plastic bag before putting it in my bike pannier. Then I biked home.

After that important part, I read the first chapter and a bit of the second.

The fact that we form our opinions in a relative fashion is clear to most people. You've probably heard the idea that within a certain range, our skin doesn't sense absolute temperature, but only changes in temperature. You acclimate to that temperature and then notice future changes. People think in terms of deltas that happen faster than some subconscious reference rate. I think of hedonic adaptation as a specific instance of this phenomenon.

Ariely says that, the irrationality being predictable, you could exploit this to your advantage. We already know that with hedonic adaptation, you practice negative visualization or intentional hardship, and knowing that marketers will try to exploit our need to compare, we can fight their attempts to steer our purchases. It might also help us overcome inaction if we can admit to ourselves that our desires to not do something might be rooted in the desire to avoid change, a delta. Kick yourself in the pants by saying, to the extent that the irrational part of me is fighting change, I'm going to discount that feeling. Overcome the inertia.

In the second chapter, Ariely introduces the idea of arbitrary coherence, the fact that we latch onto an initial anchor price and make future decisions relative to that. A friend of mine just got a new job, and the pay is double what he made before. Fortunately, he and his wife are sensible people. We got to talking about his bump in income, and as we looked around at the half million dollar houses around us, I introduced the idea of arbitrary coherence and tried to apply it to standard of living, how people decide their spending level based on their income level. It's not a perfect application of the idea, but it does seem somewhat arbitrary that someone would link their expense level to their income level, and a Mustachian link between between expenses and basic needs and luxuries would seem incoherent to most people. My friend agreed that if they kept their expenses at the same level, they would be much better off, and I was glad to hear it.

The holistic financial optimization approach that ERE folks advocate does a lot to fight both the desire to make purchases on the basis of relative comparison and marketers' attempts to set anchor prices for us. When you compare a purchase against all other possible purchases plus how many years of work it would add to your career, it gives you a much more concrete anchor than if you consider just the marketed rate or how much more comfortable your neighbors are. When you do buy, your bargaining position is much better. You're willing to not buy, knowing that you're already doing really well.

Are there other ways we can exploit these phenomena? Does anyone have examples of how they've been caught up in purchase-by-comparison or arbitrary coherence?

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« Reply #17 on: June 29, 2013, 03:11:34 PM »
Picked up a copy of the book at the library today and will start reading this evening.  Looking forward to the discussion.

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« Reply #18 on: June 29, 2013, 06:49:53 PM »
There's a copy on the shelf at my local library, but I'll have to get by there during open hours on Monday. I should get out of work in time, and if they painted as they were threatening to do of the weekend, I'll just pick up a few things and come home to work. I'm not sitting in paint fumes.

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« Reply #19 on: June 30, 2013, 11:33:55 PM »
Okay I'm only on chapter 9, but the computer game with the closing doors blew my mind.

That MIT students, intelligent people, no doubt, gave p money willingly to keep the doors open.  And then it kept getting more ridiculous, with adding the 3-cent penalty on top of the loss of a click and then being able to revive it (so really nothing was lost by clicking it) and they STILL kept it open.

Wow.

I gotta think about how to apply that to life - be willing to close doors.

This is very related to one more year syndrome for early retirees, methinks.
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« Reply #20 on: July 01, 2013, 06:28:54 AM »
Dan Ariely also has a website and a WSJ blog:  http://danariely.com

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« Reply #21 on: July 01, 2013, 08:00:01 AM »
Okay I'm only on chapter 9, but the computer game with the closing doors blew my mind.

That MIT students, intelligent people, no doubt, gave p money willingly to keep the doors open.  And then it kept getting more ridiculous, with adding the 3-cent penalty on top of the loss of a click and then being able to revive it (so really nothing was lost by clicking it) and they STILL kept it open.

Wow.

I gotta think about how to apply that to life - be willing to close doors.

This is very related to one more year syndrome for early retirees, methinks.
It is very difficult emotionally to close off "options," even when we know the space beyond the "option door" contains nothing! "Closing a door is experienced as a loss. And people are willing to pay to avoid that pain." This resonated for me re: OMY as well, ARS.

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« Reply #22 on: July 01, 2013, 11:59:48 AM »
My wife just got to that point last night, and she mentioned it out loud. That might be the most eye-opening experiment in the book. What got me was that their behavior didn't change (and their scores didn't improve) after being given practice rounds. We experience loss aversion when it comes to our options as much as, if not more than, the things we own.

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« Reply #23 on: July 02, 2013, 10:30:29 AM »
Enjoyed this book a lot but one thing that really bothered me was the predictable and boring usage of college students for test subjects.  Why researchers think that they can test a bunch of MIT undergrads on something and use their results to generalize about the rest of humanity is beyond me.  (No offense to MIT undergrads, the ones I've met were fascinating people, but come on.)   Would have been nice to see some of these same experiments run on people who lived through the Depression, or people from countries with lower levels of instituational trust.  Or, you know, poor people.  The one time I can think of they did something like this was when they reran the beer experiment in Hong Kong.  While the results of that could be considered just confirming a stereotype (i.e. Asian conformity vs. Western individualism), I still thought it was pretty interesting to see how that played out.

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« Reply #24 on: July 02, 2013, 10:37:37 AM »
Enjoyed this book a lot but one thing that really bothered me was the predictable and boring usage of college students for test subjects.  Why researchers think that they can test a bunch of MIT undergrads on something and use their results to generalize about the rest of humanity is beyond me.  (No offense to MIT undergrads, the ones I've met were fascinating people, but come on.)   Would have been nice to see some of these same experiments run on people who lived through the Depression, or people from countries with lower levels of instituational trust.  Or, you know, poor people.  The one time I can think of they did something like this was when they reran the beer experiment in Hong Kong.  While the results of that could be considered just confirming a stereotype (i.e. Asian conformity vs. Western individualism), I still thought it was pretty interesting to see how that played out.

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« Reply #25 on: July 02, 2013, 10:58:31 AM »
They know it's a problem.

http://danariely.com/2012/09/20/real-world-endowment/

I could see how college students might be more tempted to keep their options open than someone who has a more established job/finances/life.

I'd be interested in seeing how certain results change for people who are financially independent.

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« Reply #26 on: July 02, 2013, 11:00:20 AM »
Enjoyed this book a lot but one thing that really bothered me was the predictable and boring usage of college students for test subjects.  Why researchers think that they can test a bunch of MIT undergrads on something and use their results to generalize about the rest of humanity is beyond me.  (No offense to MIT undergrads, the ones I've met were fascinating people, but come on.)   Would have been nice to see some of these same experiments run on people who lived through the Depression, or people from countries with lower levels of instituational trust.  Or, you know, poor people.  The one time I can think of they did something like this was when they reran the beer experiment in Hong Kong.  While the results of that could be considered just confirming a stereotype (i.e. Asian conformity vs. Western individualism), I still thought it was pretty interesting to see how that played out.

This bothers me as well and if you read research articles a lot (like I do) this is pretty common practice in a lot of fields. Undergrads are a captive audience, and the rest of the world is hard to recruit and retain for studies. But it's just not that helpful to the advancement of knowledge.

I'm also annoyed at how many times he feels the need to explain why experiments are a good way to learn things.

(More substantive thoughts soon, when I finish a bit more of the book--listening to the audio version on my commute, narrated by Simon Jones, which is a bit odd)

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« Reply #27 on: July 02, 2013, 10:21:35 PM »
I finished the main part of the book, very quick read, but the after thoughts in the revised and expanded edition add over 25% more!  About to start the subprime section.

I like these type of books because of the little takeaways - how our mind is manipulating us, and then forcing self to overcome it (either using tricks or just being consciously aware).  For example, I almost always order a particular way at restaurants which helps me avoid the issue he discussed near the end, but I didn't recently due to some indecision, which lead me to ordering something different than everyone else and not being as happy with it.  I don't know how much of that was based on the desire to order something different as in his experiment, but now that I'm aware of it I'll make sure to stick to my original ordering patterns.

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« Reply #28 on: July 03, 2013, 09:08:51 PM »
The chapter about keeping doors/options open struck me because "keep your options open" is such a common saying.  You here this all the time. 

The chapter about relativity made me say to myself "yes, I do that".  The $7.00 example was excellent - walking 10 minutes to save $7.00 on the price of a $25.00 pen but not being willing to walk the same 10 minutes to save the $7.00 on the price of a $450.00 suit.  $7.00 is $7.00.  I am aware of this now and hopefully, I'll catch myself.   






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« Reply #29 on: July 06, 2013, 03:54:58 PM »
I picked this up yesterday at the library and I'm up to chapter 9.  The book is a super quick read (in case anyone's pressed for time and on the fence about picking it up).  Like some other posters, I was finding the studies problematic because of the participants selected, but the book is interesting anyways.

A lot of the behaviors he talks about like walking 10 mins to save $7 on a pen, but not $7 on a more expensive suit, or not wanting to give up something you own (even something stupid- like the "digital gold" cable package) are things that I've really recognized in myself over the past year or so and have been actively trying to change.  So the book rings true to my personal experience in a lot of ways. A lot of these studies validate the MMM point of view.  It seems like there are some cool little tricks revealed here that might help me even more on the path to frugal-ness (and maybe one day FI). 

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« Reply #30 on: July 09, 2013, 01:02:00 AM »
Enjoyed this book a lot but one thing that really bothered me was the predictable and boring usage of college students for test subjects.  Why researchers think that they can test a bunch of MIT undergrads on something and use their results to generalize about the rest of humanity is beyond me. 

I just started but so far I must admit I am not impressed. Take Ariely's experiment with the subscription to the magazine, where a digital version cost $59, print cost $125 and together it was $125. He used only two classes to conclude that the print only anchor price caused more people to buy the $125 combined package. This is not a study, it is not statistically significant.

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« Reply #31 on: July 09, 2013, 01:20:44 AM »
This is not a study, it is not statistically significant.

Why does it need to be?

I wouldn't say he's trying to "prove" something with that particular part, per say.  Did he publish a paper on that study?
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« Reply #32 on: July 09, 2013, 06:27:39 AM »
I just started but so far I must admit I am not impressed. Take Ariely's experiment with the subscription to the magazine, where a digital version cost $59, print cost $125 and together it was $125. He used only two classes to conclude that the print only anchor price caused more people to buy the $125 combined package. This is not a study, it is not statistically significant.

Give the MIT professor a chance! Ariely notes in a footnote of that experiment, "As a convention in this book, every time I mention that conditions are different from each other, it is always a statistically significant difference."

Statistical significance is determined by the probability that the two results would come from the same underlying distribution. In one case, you get 68 digital and 32 print+digital, and in the other, you get 16 digital and 84 print+digital. So, what's the probability that a weighted coin that usually result in 68 heads out of 100 flips would instead result in 16 heads out of 100 coin flips? Less than 0.0001, so the results are highly statistically significant, especially for a social science experiment.

I think what you're saying is that more similar experiments would be necessary to ferret out any confounding factors that this experiment might have missed. Ariely meant for this to be a personal illustration of principles established elsewhere in the literature. Check out the additional readings in the back for more. He cites a paper, Tversky and Kahneman, "The Framing of Decisions and the Psychology of Choice," Science, (1981), that discusses how framing a question can affect the response.

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« Reply #33 on: July 09, 2013, 09:41:02 AM »
I just started but so far I must admit I am not impressed. Take Ariely's experiment with the subscription to the magazine, where a digital version cost $59, print cost $125 and together it was $125. He used only two classes to conclude that the print only anchor price caused more people to buy the $125 combined package. This is not a study, it is not statistically significant.

Give the MIT professor a chance! Ariely notes in a footnote of that experiment, "As a convention in this book, every time I mention that conditions are different from each other, it is always a statistically significant difference."

Statistical significance is determined by the probability that the two results would come from the same underlying distribution. In one case, you get 68 digital and 32 print+digital, and in the other, you get 16 digital and 84 print+digital. So, what's the probability that a weighted coin that usually result in 68 heads out of 100 flips would instead result in 16 heads out of 100 coin flips? Less than 0.0001, so the results are highly statistically significant, especially for a social science experiment.

Also, "two classes" probably equal at least 60 students, if not much more, which is certainly enough power to assess significance.

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« Reply #34 on: July 09, 2013, 10:18:11 AM »
I think if you want to really dig into statistics, you can read his academic papers.  He was pretty upfront about this book representing a simplification of his research for the purposes of helping people who maybe don't come from an academic background understand some of the implications for their decision making.

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« Reply #35 on: July 09, 2013, 07:53:41 PM »
I am on Chapter 2 right now and I find the idea of anchoring fascinating. I see it everywhere in decision making, for example my parents were brought up poor, so they anchor prices back to their upbringing. They also anchor prices back to the currency they are used to, even though wages are completely different. I see it in my clients anchoring prices back to when they grew up and didn't spend as much. 

I was also thinking of some real life application of the "A, A-, B" situation in presenting an estimate. Interesting.

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« Reply #36 on: July 10, 2013, 05:53:20 PM »
As far as getting rid of stuff, the reason it often stays around is I believe it has some value, though it is just not my time currently to extract it.  So I wait until I have free time to get rid of it like a hobby.  It just never really seems to come around, at least rarely. 

We experience loss aversion when it comes to our options as much as, if not more than, the things we own.

Is this true for many intangibles - friendships, relationships, etc?  Personal anecdotes or study references would be great.  I have some great friends, but they are very consumerist, so most everytime we hang out that I do not select the venue, we end up spending more on something than I would otherwise spend on food and transportation in a week.  Also, my marriage has been quite unsatisfying since the second week (seven years ago).  And yet I have not really made any moves to segue to new relationships.  Maybe this is something to think/do more consciously.

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« Reply #37 on: July 14, 2013, 06:21:14 AM »
I finished the book yesterday. Although I don't have the expanded version Arebelspy mentioned, bummer.

Some of my thoughts-- first, relativity really got me with this book. I had just finished another psychology-related book, "The Righteous Mind: Why Good People Disagree about Religion and Politics." Since both books are similarly outside my normal fiction reading, relativity struck and I can't help compare them to each other. And although I can now explain relativity thanks to chapter one from "Predictably Irrational," I just plain liked "The Righteous Mind" better.

In Chapter Two, he talks about anchoring and arbitrary coherence. He had me really convinced that anchor prices have a huge impact on human behavior. So I was surprised when he theorized that if the price of gasoline went up people's behavior would only change in the short term. It seemed to contradict the data he presented. But more than that it contradicts my own optimistic biases on how the world should work, LOL.

I do think this is a good book. And if I hadn't just read another similar book, I bet I would love it instead of just liking it.

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« Reply #38 on: July 14, 2013, 09:53:21 AM »
Having not read The Righteous Mind, would you go into a bit more detail about what exactly you liked better?
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« Reply #39 on: July 14, 2013, 06:24:55 PM »
Having not read The Righteous Mind, would you go into a bit more detail about what exactly you liked better?

I may have exceeded "a bit" more detail here, but here are some of my thoughts:
"A Righteous Mind" is a substantially longer book-- at least compared to the non-expanded version of "Predictably Irrational" that I read. On top of that, it seems more information dense. It talks some about philosophical issues, for example, in looking at whether the emotions are in control or whether the rational mind is in control, he talks some about the philosophies of Plato, Thomas Jefferson, and Hume before looking into the science that tries to answer that question. "Predictably Irrational" had less of that philosophical backing. He references many scientific studies and authors beyond his own, which adds depth to the book-- he even quotes Dan Ariely at one point. "Predictably Irrational" seems to focus just on the author's own studies. Some here criticized the use of American college students almost exclusively as test subjects in "Predictably Irrational". This is discussed at length in "A Righteous Mind," these sorts of test subjects are described as WEIRD-- that is Western, Educated, Industrial, Rich, Democratic. This book looks beyond just WEIRD test subjects, and mixes in a little Anthropology in doing so (some of the studies are from India and Brazil if I recall correctly).

All this said, "Predictably Irrational" is an easier, more fun read. It was written more for the general public. I think "A Righteous Mind" was also written for the general public, but because of the information density, it is a less accessible read. It feels more like homework. But reading it made me feel smarter! And now that I've returned that book to the library, I wish I had taken notes-- there's so much in there that I want to remember and try to apply to every day life. Since "Predictably Irrational" was less dense, I think I can remember the lessons without those notes...

As always, YMMV!

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Re: Predictably Irrational discussion thread
« Reply #40 on: July 14, 2013, 06:36:01 PM »
Just what I was wondering.  Thank you!
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« Reply #41 on: July 15, 2013, 07:41:30 AM »
Keep thinking about the price of zero. I think it's something I've learned already--not to pick up something just because it's free, or comes with something "free," but I keep finding examples of how the idea of zero distorts my thinking.

For example, yesterday I went out to eat with some friends at a Thai place and the server told me that the lunch special I ordered comes with a free side of chicken soup. I don't like chicken soup, and I wasn't that hungry, so I declined. But I spent the whole meal feeling like I'd done something wrong, got cheated somehow, because I passed on the soup, even though I wouldn't have enjoyed it (and looking at my friend's meal, it was probably only about .30 worth of soup anyways).

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« Reply #42 on: July 15, 2013, 08:46:01 AM »
I have always auto-filtered "free" add-ons, though "free" has always had an allure to me as a standalone.  For instance, when my gym (Planet Fitness) has their head-scratchingly-inconsistent-with-fitness free pizza days or a coworker leaves a dessert on the kitchen table, I often partake even though it is inconsistent with my paleo diet. 

One crossover between the "free" and the "ownership" sections that was not made - does anyone else tend to waste time on (enjoying or maintaining) items you already own, even though you know they do not bring me as much joy nor are as productive as spending your time in other ways.  And for what reasons?  Because it is free and habitual.  E.g. my computer that freezes up?  Well, its free (other than delays and frustration, of course) and if I wait just another several months, computers will have gone through another generation and the new computer can stay newer longer. 

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Re: Predictably Irrational discussion thread
« Reply #43 on: July 15, 2013, 09:19:56 AM »
The chapter on keeping options open - even when it is irrational and unprofitable to do so, struck a chord with me. I am reluctant to sell shares to purchase a second rental property, even though I would have more control over the investment and it is probably the rational choice. Though it may also have something to do with loss aversion: they are worth more than I paid for them but about 10% less than at the height of the market.

The chapter on the high cost of ownership totally relates to a couple I know who will not sell an apartment they own because they think it is worth 20k more than buyers are willing to pay (and they would still make 40k more than they paid a decade ago). So instead they are renting it out which covers the expenses but doesn't make a profit, and get stressed about the situation :-/

Has anyone read Influence by Robert Cialdini? He goes into more depth about the situations where our past actions influence our future beliefs (e.g. The experiment with the beer with balsamic vinegar, except Cialdini talks about American PoWs in Chinese PoW camps).

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Re: Predictably Irrational discussion thread
« Reply #44 on: July 15, 2013, 01:19:41 PM »
For example, yesterday I went out to eat with some friends at a Thai place and the server told me that the lunch special I ordered comes with a free side of chicken soup. I don't like chicken soup, and I wasn't that hungry, so I declined. But I spent the whole meal feeling like I'd done something wrong, got cheated somehow, because I passed on the soup, even though I wouldn't have enjoyed it (and looking at my friend's meal, it was probably only about .30 worth of soup anyways).

What did your friends think of your decision?

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« Reply #45 on: July 17, 2013, 01:12:06 PM »
For example, yesterday I went out to eat with some friends at a Thai place and the server told me that the lunch special I ordered comes with a free side of chicken soup. I don't like chicken soup, and I wasn't that hungry, so I declined. But I spent the whole meal feeling like I'd done something wrong, got cheated somehow, because I passed on the soup, even though I wouldn't have enjoyed it (and looking at my friend's meal, it was probably only about .30 worth of soup anyways).

What did your friends think of your decision?

I don't think my friends noticed at all. Why?

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« Reply #46 on: July 17, 2013, 02:32:46 PM »
I don't think my friends noticed at all. Why?

I was wondering if there was a social component to the cost of free. For example, does it matter if you turn down a free item during a lunch interview? If we feel a little off after turning down something free, do other people share that feeling?

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« Reply #47 on: July 18, 2013, 06:23:28 PM »
I don't think my friends noticed at all. Why?

I was wondering if there was a social component to the cost of free. For example, does it matter if you turn down a free item during a lunch interview? If we feel a little off after turning down something free, do other people share that feeling?

That reminds me of something that happened a few months ago at work.

I was asked to order food for a number of internal auditors. We decided on Chinese takeout and the total let us have a "free" 2 liter of soda. I don't drink soda at all and forgot to mention it while ordering.

I personally didn't feel off as the thought never occurred to me that it was a worthwhile thing even if it was free. The head shaking and shock from my coworkers was an interesting response to see though.

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« Reply #48 on: July 19, 2013, 06:54:06 AM »
The other thing that happened during that lunch was that my friend ordered the entree I originally wanted, because it had better vegetables, so I "couldn't" order the same thing and ended up with something I liked less.

onder what people would think if I brought some slips of paper to restaurants and had everyone submit their orders anonymously?

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« Reply #49 on: July 19, 2013, 07:59:20 AM »
The other thing that happened during that lunch was that my friend ordered the entree I originally wanted, because it had better vegetables, so I "couldn't" order the same thing and ended up with something I liked less.

onder what people would think if I brought some slips of paper to restaurants and had everyone submit their orders anonymously?

Wait... Why didn't you order the same thing?

Even after reading that section of the book you valued being "original" more than being happy with your meal?
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