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Cashing in on the American Dream: How to Retire at 35
« on: September 18, 2013, 05:06:46 PM »
Greetings Mutachians,
I just thought many of you would love this book.  I read it years ago and it forever changed the way I thought about money.  While I didn't retire at 35, the book got me on the right path.  Be aware that much of the info is outdated; nevertheless, it's a timeless classic.  (For example, the author cites CD rates of 8%!)  BTW, the author is Paul Terhorst; he and his wife Vicki are still retired almost 30 years later. 

https://sites.google.com/site/paulvicgroup/

http://www.bogleheads.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=60974

http://www.amazon.com/Cashing-American-Dream-How-Retire/dp/0553052896

Enjoy,
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Re: Cashing in on the American Dream: How to Retire at 35
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2014, 02:03:47 PM »
I loved that book too.  I read it shortly after I graduated from college over 20 years ago.  Of course, I did pretty much the opposite of what they did and like you say a lot of the advice is outdated but the idea and having an initial goal of $500K to retire was such an inspiration.

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« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2014, 10:27:41 AM »
The investment advice might be outdated in this book but it's an excellent read and still very relevant. I exchanged emails with Paul's wife Viki a while ago and suggested an updated version would be great but she said the market was limited for this kind of book so it probably wouldn't be worth the time.

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« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2014, 09:15:15 PM »
I love this book too!
I recently figured out some updates to this book (which I wrote about on another forum), based on my own (Australian) context - thought I'd share them here too, in case they're of use to anyone:

How much do you need to retire?Terhorst suggests that you should have a total net worth of $400,000 to retire, $500,000 if you can and want extra luxuries. He also suggests that a "bare bones" form of retirement is possible on a total net worth of $100,000. In today's, Australian dollars, this would be approx. $216,000 (bare bones) to $865,000 (standard retirement) as far as I can calculate, using a US inflation calculator and foreign exchange calculator. According to Terhorst, millions of Americans, at the time of writing, already had a net worth of over $400,000 and could choose to retire if they wished. According to the ABS, the same may be true of Australians today - apparently in "2009-10, on average, households in Australia held assets valued at $839,000, partially offset by average household liabilities of $120,000".

Interestingly, Terhorst includes your house, car, and any retirement savings in the net worth calculation (IRA in the US, it might be possible to include some proportion of superannuation in Australia, although of course different access rules may prevent this - e.g. you couldn't have $200,000 in super and $16,000 in savings and expect to live for 30 years on the $16k before your super kicked in). This method of calculation does differ from many of the other books I've read on early retirement, where one's home equity, for example, is not included. The reason for this appears to be that Terhorst later recommends that you convert such assets to cash. His is a permanent traveler style of retirement.

How much do you need to live on?Terhorst states that he added up his and his wife Vicki's expenses (pre-retirement) and found that they spent about $50 per day on "basic" living expenses. This includes food, clothes, and then a bunch of things I personally wouldn't consider "basic" - a maid, dry cleaning, movies, and dinner out. As well as "vacations, golf club dues, guitar lessons, gifts, a cigar now and then, and French cognac" (p. 14). Maintenance of assets (house, car etc.) is not included - only maintenance of yourself.

At first glance, I was surprised that the $50 a day rule seemed equally applicable to the 1980s as to today. I was surprised that inflation would not have eroded the buying power of $50 - but of course, it has. $50 per day in 1988 USD has basically doubled in America, and is today equivalent to around $107 in 2014 AUD. What differs here is my definition of "basic" and Terhorst's.

Terhorst ended up using this $50 rule post-retirement as well, to determine a target for their average spend while traveling the world. While it may be difficult to live on a budget in say Paris or New York, when visiting developing nations, it is possible to live on much less, so the average of $50 was possible.

So is it still possible to travel the world on $50 a day? I'm certainly convinced that it is possible to live - and live well - on $50 a day at home - there are lots of blogs about this, but can it still be done while traveling? Lo and behold, there was a book published last year called "How to Travel the World on $50 per Day" by a guy who has been doing so for the last 5 years (see nomadicmatt.com). So my answer would be a big YES - it is possible to live on $50 a day, however, your definition of "basic" would need to be closer to my own - food, clothes, occasional movies and mid-range dinners out, and not the French-cognac-cigars-golf-club-maid definition of "basic" that Terhorst has/had.

Cashing in on the American Dream: How to Retire at 35 is an interesting, well-written, and practical addition to the bookshelves of anyone who dreams of being free. It's a pity that the book hasn't been updated in the last 26 years, but I suppose the authors are too busy being adventurous! As the book was written for the top 20% of earners, and assumes what I'd consider a cushy lifestyle with a maid, country club fees, golf equipment, expensive cigars etc., many of the figures in this book actually appear modern - $100-$200k per year being considered a very good wage, $50 per day for personal costs excluding housing, and so on. So much of the advice in the book may be fairly directly applicable for those living a MMM lifestyle.

I would definitely recommend this book to those who love to travel, and/or to those with kids, which I think are both strong points of this book. I would also commend this book for those who would like to aim for early retirement but aren't sure that they'd be able to afford it - this book gives a lot of hints and new ways of considering things. However, I could not recommend it as an investment guide, as the OP mentioned above, sadly the investment advice is now well and truly dated to the point of redundancy. Still, this is only 1 chapter out of 11, and the other 10 are, in my view, well worth the read. A fresh perspective on early retirement.

Hope this helps anyone else who might like to read the book in 2014 or beyond!

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« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2014, 10:14:09 PM »
I love this book too!
I recently figured out some updates to this book (which I wrote about on another forum), based on my own (Australian) context - thought I'd share them here too, in case they're of use to anyone:

How much do you need to retire?Terhorst suggests that you should have a total net worth of $400,000 to retire, $500,000 if you can and want extra luxuries. He also suggests that a "bare bones" form of retirement is possible on a total net worth of $100,000. In today's, Australian dollars, this would be approx. $216,000 (bare bones) to $865,000 (standard retirement) as far as I can calculate, using a US inflation calculator and foreign exchange calculator. According to Terhorst, millions of Americans, at the time of writing, already had a net worth of over $400,000 and could choose to retire if they wished. According to the ABS, the same may be true of Australians today - apparently in "2009-10, on average, households in Australia held assets valued at $839,000, partially offset by average household liabilities of $120,000".

Interestingly, Terhorst includes your house, car, and any retirement savings in the net worth calculation (IRA in the US, it might be possible to include some proportion of superannuation in Australia, although of course different access rules may prevent this - e.g. you couldn't have $200,000 in super and $16,000 in savings and expect to live for 30 years on the $16k before your super kicked in). This method of calculation does differ from many of the other books I've read on early retirement, where one's home equity, for example, is not included. The reason for this appears to be that Terhorst later recommends that you convert such assets to cash. His is a permanent traveler style of retirement.

How much do you need to live on?Terhorst states that he added up his and his wife Vicki's expenses (pre-retirement) and found that they spent about $50 per day on "basic" living expenses. This includes food, clothes, and then a bunch of things I personally wouldn't consider "basic" - a maid, dry cleaning, movies, and dinner out. As well as "vacations, golf club dues, guitar lessons, gifts, a cigar now and then, and French cognac" (p. 14). Maintenance of assets (house, car etc.) is not included - only maintenance of yourself.

At first glance, I was surprised that the $50 a day rule seemed equally applicable to the 1980s as to today. I was surprised that inflation would not have eroded the buying power of $50 - but of course, it has. $50 per day in 1988 USD has basically doubled in America, and is today equivalent to around $107 in 2014 AUD. What differs here is my definition of "basic" and Terhorst's.

Terhorst ended up using this $50 rule post-retirement as well, to determine a target for their average spend while traveling the world. While it may be difficult to live on a budget in say Paris or New York, when visiting developing nations, it is possible to live on much less, so the average of $50 was possible.

So is it still possible to travel the world on $50 a day? I'm certainly convinced that it is possible to live - and live well - on $50 a day at home - there are lots of blogs about this, but can it still be done while traveling? Lo and behold, there was a book published last year called "How to Travel the World on $50 per Day" by a guy who has been doing so for the last 5 years (see nomadicmatt.com). So my answer would be a big YES - it is possible to live on $50 a day, however, your definition of "basic" would need to be closer to my own - food, clothes, occasional movies and mid-range dinners out, and not the French-cognac-cigars-golf-club-maid definition of "basic" that Terhorst has/had.

Cashing in on the American Dream: How to Retire at 35 is an interesting, well-written, and practical addition to the bookshelves of anyone who dreams of being free. It's a pity that the book hasn't been updated in the last 26 years, but I suppose the authors are too busy being adventurous! As the book was written for the top 20% of earners, and assumes what I'd consider a cushy lifestyle with a maid, country club fees, golf equipment, expensive cigars etc., many of the figures in this book actually appear modern - $100-$200k per year being considered a very good wage, $50 per day for personal costs excluding housing, and so on. So much of the advice in the book may be fairly directly applicable for those living a MMM lifestyle.

I would definitely recommend this book to those who love to travel, and/or to those with kids, which I think are both strong points of this book. I would also commend this book for those who would like to aim for early retirement but aren't sure that they'd be able to afford it - this book gives a lot of hints and new ways of considering things. However, I could not recommend it as an investment guide, as the OP mentioned above, sadly the investment advice is now well and truly dated to the point of redundancy. Still, this is only 1 chapter out of 11, and the other 10 are, in my view, well worth the read. A fresh perspective on early retirement.

Hope this helps anyone else who might like to read the book in 2014 or beyond!

Lots of great information.  Thanks for posting it!

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« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2014, 10:58:05 PM »
That was a really nice write-up Sere...you need to start posting more!

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« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2014, 12:17:22 AM »
Thanks for the encouragement BPA and vern :)
I've got a bit more material (more updated figures worked out from the book) which I'll edit from the other forum I post on and share.

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« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2014, 12:36:44 AM »
NB. At time of writing, $1 USD = approx. $1.10 AUD and $1 AUD = approx. 90c US, so the figures are roughly interchangable. It's the inflation I've calculated that makes the real difference.

Housing Terhorst argues that, in 1980s America at least, housing took up a third (33%) of people's income. In current-day Australia, a recent article in the Sydney Morning Herald stated that "mortgage stress" can be defined as spending more than 30% of your pre-tax income on your loan repayments. Apparently 3/10 Australians with home loans are in this predicament (meaning that the majority have more affordable housing costs than Terhorst assumes back in 1980s USA). Obviously, if you are one of those 3/10 who are handing over a huge chunk of your income to the bank each month, Terhorst's advice to get rid of your house may be applicable. But what about for those 70% who don't have as large repayments? Or those who have already paid off their mortgage? Does it still make sense?

To answer this, we need to assess why we are converting our home equity into cash. If that is to buy one-year CDs, which, as we know, yield only around 0.9% in the US today, it is not worthwhile. http://mozo.com.au/ is a great place to compare rates in Australia, and a one-year term deposit is shown as earning you a maximum of 3.6% at current rates. Considerably better than the US, but as the average home equity held by each household, according to the ABS, is about $297,000 across all households in Australia, if you were to pull out that money and put it into a term deposit, at 3.6% at the end of the year, you'd have $10,692 - well short of $50 a day (more like $29 a day). I imagine there would be few places you could afford to rent and then live on that sort of money - in Australia or overseas. You'd need to have a fair amount of other investment as well. So again, the main lesson I'd take from this rule is make sure you aren't in a house that is too large and expensive for your needs. But (obviously!) don't go selling up without crunching the numbers!

Although they recommend renting rather than buying, Tehorst admits in his book that he and Vicki did buy a property in Argentina. They have two guidelines: 1) your vacation home should cost no more than $40,000 or so, and 2) your vacation home should be in a place you'd like to live once you retire. The second piece of advice is timeless, but surely the first is vastly outdated? Well, there are still properties in the US$40k region in Argentina - I found a block of land for $40k, and a very modern apartment for $47k. Of course, Argentina may not be for everyone, but Terhorst's book, once again, provokes some interesting thoughts.

Kids Terhorst drives home the message that "your kids need you now", and makes a good case for retiring early if one possibly can on this basis (rather like the arguments Mr. Money Mustache makes). He also provides some arithmetic, budgeting $11 per child, or $5,000 per year (I know some will complain that this is clearly ludicrous, and Terhorst himself acknowledges that some people spend $5,000 on a 6-year-old's birthday party alone - sounds like something for the anti-Mustachian wall of shame and comedy!), but I wouldn't be surprised if many MMM followers and likeminded people were already pretty close to this.  Also consider that the 2014 poverty line in the US for a single person is $11,670, a couple $15,730 (so just $4,060 more) and for a couple with a child, $19,790 (another $4,060 again). So $5,000 per child is approximately 25% more than the poverty line is drawn at today.

Bare Bones Retirement Terhorst also enticingly claims you can retireme on $100,000 (well, $110,000 actually, to generate $743 of monthly income at the time - equivalent to the average Social Security payment at the time). To update these figures for 2014 Australia, the age pension today is $577.40 per fortnight for one person in a couple, or $1251 per month. The 1988 rate of US$743 adjusted for inflation and converted into AUD would be $1601 per month. So the 1988 US rate was perhaps a bit more generous. (A single rate today is $766, or $1659 per month, so we could say they are roughly equivalent though - and bear in mind that this article: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kathleen-peddicord/retiring-overseas_b_4297593.html?utm_hp_ref=retire-overseas reports on a man in the 2010s who is living on social security checks of $828)

$110,000 in 1988 USD would be equivalent to approx. $237,000 in today's AUD. That would yield, at the current term deposit rate of 3.6%, $8,532 per year. Which is only $711 per month - far short of what is needed. On the other hand, if you can find investments which net you 8-9% per annum (hint: not term deposits at the moment!) like the Terhorsts were getting back in the 1980s, you can receive $18,960-$21,330 per year - a quite respectable $1580-$1778 per month. So as long as you're a bit more creative and successful in your investments, and build up a decent buffer, these adjusted figures still seem to work.

Good times The very last segment of the book states that part of the reason Terhorst can have such a great life is because he "happened to have been born at the right time. I grew up and went to work during the most sustained, spectacular boom in economic history" (p. 225). As evidence, Terhorst points to a 1987 article from the Journal of Accountancy, which shows the improvement in the standard of living over 35 years. In the 1980s, a person had to work 6 mins on average to buy a dozen eggs, down from 13 mins in 1960. It took 2 hours to earn enough to buy a toaster, down from 6 in 1960. And 17 mins to buy a 6-pack of beer, down from 30 in 1960.

What about today? I looked at current prices, compared to the average US hourly wage of $24, and it seems it takes just a little longer to buy a dozen eggs today - 7 mins compared to 6 mins. Seeing as I'm unsure exactly what figures or store they used in the 1987 article, such a minute difference could just be a difference in our methods, as opposed to any real increase in the cost of living. The cost of a toaster has gone down drastically - 20 mins now, compared to 2 hours. And a 6-pack of beer takes the same amount of time to earn still - 17 mins again.

Now, I did use the cheapest examples for each of these categories (using online prices at Safeway and Walmart), but even comparing mid-range options, things haven't changed much. To buy a dozen free-range eggs would cost the average worker 15 mins of time (although, as far as I'm aware, most eggs in the 1980s were cage eggs, so the cheaper price is probably a better comparison). To buy one of the mid to high-end range toasters at Walmart would take 1 hour - still half the time it took in the 1980s. And you only need to work for 1 min more to buy a pricier beer instead of Budweiser.

What about in Australia? The time required to work to earn these items, and the average wage, are surprisingly similar to the US examples. Using an average hourly wage of $23, and prices from Coles and Kmart, it appears to take 8 min to earn enough to buy a dozen cage eggs (just 1 min more than in the US), or 15 min to earn enough to buy a dozen free-range (exactly the same as the US today). For a low-range toaster, 20 mins, and a mid-range toaster, 1 hour (both exactly the same as the US today). It's only the 6-pack of beer that is more expensive than the US - 28 mins for a 6-pack of Hammer & Tongs, or 33 mins for VB. Obviously this will differ from person to person, location to location, product to product, but we're talking averages here, that can give us a feel for how the cost of living has (or perhaps more accurately, hasn't) changed.
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« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2014, 12:42:13 AM »
One of my favorite books of all time. Read it years ago and it was a book that definitely inspired me to retire early and become a P.T. (Perpetual Traveler). While the early retirement thing happened, the PT thing is still in the works so just a part time traveler now but some day! I have kept up with Paul and Vicky Terhorsts online for years and they are still just as inspirational as they were years ago.

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« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2014, 12:37:34 PM »
Very nice thread.  Thanks Sere.

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« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2014, 01:20:36 PM »
Yeah BIG thanks Sere for all the info and ideas you supplied. Makes me want to find the book again and re-read it. My onlt issue with the original book was the $50/day living expense. I have travelled and lived overseas for some longish periods of time and you can definitely do it for a lot less even now, and especially back when the book was written. I lived on much less in very nice little flats in Europe, eat well, used public transit or biked, and could do it easily on less than $50/day. That seems very high to me.