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Disappointed in my career after kids
« on: December 28, 2020, 06:52:22 PM »
I’ve been fortunate to have tried all forms of working since having kids.

First I went back full-time after 6 weeks maternity leave, but I hated missing that time with my baby.

Next I was a stay at home mom, but I missed doing work for adults.

So I got a low paying part-time job at a charity and had relatives/babysitter/preschool cover while I was working, but it ended up just feeling like a low paid job, not a warm fuzzy volunteering experience. Being cheap, I wondered what the purpose was to paying all that I made to childcare. I went back to being a stay at home mom, but still wanted a part-time job to the point that I would cry about it.

Finally I got a job working part time from home as a contractor for a bigger company. Now I’ve been there 2 years, and it’s still disappointing. I have 3 kids. All are at home with me because of the pandemic. I make less per hour than before I had kids. I still make a good amount of money, enough to almost live on with our cheap lifestyle, but it’s very difficult for me mentally to be satisfied with my job. I am stressed with 3 kids at home plus working, but at the same time I know that if I quit I will feel bad about my career and probably lonely for adults. It really annoys me that I’m paid less than before kids per hour (7 years ago). I thought about finding another job, but I am struggling part time right now and I have an advantage that I know what I am doing at this job which helps when juggling 2-3 kids at home during a pandemic.

I feel stuck.

I think about applying full-time and putting the kids in daycare so I can make the most income possible, but I always fear the summer and juggling the kids schedules once school is out. We also have a few things that we love to do in the summer and it would be hard to not get the summer fun. Is this insane that I can’t work full time because of a few things I love about summer?!

I also think about quitting and being a stay at home mom forever. It would be nice, but seems like a final decision this time.


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Re: Disappointed in my career after kids
« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2020, 07:08:46 PM »
Reading your post, I really pick up on two separate themes: spending time with other adults and money.  It might be worth considering these separately and deciding whether you’re bothered by one, the other, or both of these.

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Re: Disappointed in my career after kids
« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2020, 08:15:38 PM »
I guess both. Of course money is the main reason to work. Adult interaction is the best at work in my opinion. No where else do you spend so much time with other adults.

All of this is hard with kids, because I also want to spend time with them.

I’m sure my career will not be so mentally confusing for me when my kids are in college. Then I will have all the time in the world, but that’s years away... by then I will be working minimum wage if I don’t stay in the workforce through these kid years.

I could also try to reset my priorities and try not to care about my career. A reason I like this mustachian community! It’s easier said than done. Any advice on how to get over career pride?

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Re: Disappointed in my career after kids
« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2020, 06:01:11 PM »
Personally -- working mom here -- I find the pandemic makes this really difficult.  I don't want to be home, and I don't want my kid (a middle schooler, but this would be more true for a younger kid) to be home, but here we are (me working, kid "in" school.  I am grateful each of these things is possible but also find them difficult!).

I'm not sure what the solution for what you describe is.  I have always wanted to work and am happy to be able to do so.  I do not miss time with my (admittedly only) kid, and find I have plenty of time to spend with my family, in addition to enjoying my work (of course there are days/weeks when there are too much of one -- or the other! -- but, on average this is my experience).  But I will note that for me, having time with my son when he was younger was less valuable than having time now is -- I much prefer the relationship I can have with a middle schooler, our conversations, the activities we can do together.  Not everyone feels this way!  Some people would prefer to spend time with their kids when the kids are youngest.  Also, I think our society tends to emphasize the value of that, and less so the value of spending time with older kids.  So it may be worth thinking about the longer-term question and how you feel about this -- do you want to spend time home with your kids now, and less once they are older?  Or the reverse?  Or until they are college-aged?  Your answer to that question may affect what the right choice for you is.  GL finding something that works.

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Re: Disappointed in my career after kids
« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2020, 04:29:40 AM »
What I'm hearing is that you are conflicted between your desire for love and connection with both your children and other adults, and something else, perhaps the certainty of more money or the significance of more money or a certain type of career. With these thoughts, I'm playing off this talk by Tony Robbins: https://www.ted.com/talks/tony_robbins_why_we_do_what_we_do?language=en.

There are many ways to find what the true you wants. If you're interested in what worked best for me, please feel free to message.

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Re: Disappointed in my career after kids
« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2020, 05:11:29 AM »
You sound like a great mom!! I'm struggling too with feeling lonely, isolated, and trapped, although my issues are a little different than yours. I'm a nurse and I have 2 little boys. I work 4 days/week and DH is a SAHP for now.  I've struggled with the career pride thing too.

I'm trying to make some friends outside of work, but it's not easy to meet people with the pandemic going on.  PM me if you want to talk.

What field do you work in?

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Re: Disappointed in my career after kids
« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2020, 06:39:38 AM »
PTF - My wife has been a SAHM for 5 years now, and had to give up her last 1.5 years of school because there weren't any reasonable childcare options for us after our second was born, but being a SAHM is definitely wearing her down and I know she'd like to have something actually interesting to tell other people she does.

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Re: Disappointed in my career after kids
« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2020, 07:29:00 PM »
Also PTF.  And to say to give yourself a break no matter what you choose.  This dumpster fire is especially hard on primary childcare providers.  I'm personally waiting to make any career changes, even though I just want to work significantly more hours at the same job, until after my daughter can go to school in person. 

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Re: Disappointed in my career after kids
« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2021, 10:15:02 AM »
PTF, my wife is in a similar situation. She's currently working part-time, but wants something more full-time... except then she looks at actual jobs and realizes she doesn't. There's really no winning here, I don't think.

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Re: Disappointed in my career after kids
« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2021, 11:09:48 PM »
My situation is a bit different than yours but has enough similarities that I think it might be helpful.

I quit my job a couple of years ago when my youngest was less than a year, both to be home for my kids and because my mom needed someone. It was hard to give up my part-time job that I wasn't really in love with, but I loved my coworkers.

I thought when I was younger that I really wanted to be a SAHP. Then I had kids and swayed back toward wanting to be a working mom. But it's HARD to balance everything. The schedules. The needs. The work-life balance. The chores and nutrition and getting a meal on the table every night at a reasonable hour. It's so. damn. hard. So I worked, but I kinda hated both being home and being at work. I'd be at home thinking, "Oh good, tomorrow's a work day," and then get to work and wonder WTF I was doing wasting my time on a dead-end job like.

Before I quit my job, I realized that my life at home had to be about more than just taking care of my family. I needed things to do for just myself, interesting things to talk about with friends, things for me to look forward to for my own sake and mental health. For me, part of this included really leaning into my role as homemaker. My husband and I have a pretty clear division of labor. He does plenty of chores, but obviously I do a lot more right now. (There was a time when our oldest was a baby that he was going to school and otherwise a SAHP while I worked full time, and he took on more of the chores then.) I basically homestead--gardening with an eye toward actually being self sufficient in some areas, canning and preserving, cooking and baking from scratch, etc.

This all fits with frugality too, so I figure my other role is as the Defender of the Money. My partner is the offense, the Maker of the Money, I'm the defense. I do all the little things I can to ensure that what he makes is put to the best possible use. I'm not "just" a homemaker, my role in the home is valuable.

I've had to make time for adult friends. This is something I can still be awful about, actually, but my husband will push me out the door if an opportunity to see my friends arises. :) One of my good friends is also a SAHM at the moment so we do playdates and (at least pre-pandemic) exchange childcare for a few free hours occasionally. That helps a lot. I'm also at least friendly with other parents of my kids' friends so that we can talk at the playground and get some adult time that way. This part is hard, I'm not a true extrovert and I'm an awkward person so making small talk is so, so not my strong suit. But I did the work, and it's been invaluable.

I remind myself that there are seasons of work. When my husband was in school, that was my season of being the Breadwinner. Right now, it's his turn. While my kids are young and my mom needs my care, it's not my season to be the worker. But later on, maybe we'll switch again. Or maybe we'll work out being dual-career parents for a while. Or maybe we'll hit FIRE at some point and both be home. Who knows? If that season never comes, though, I've actually worked myself around to being pretty content that I've built a good life. I make time to read about 60 books a year, I have time for friends and family when they need help, I have time to exercise, I love the gardening and all that, and I'm feeling generally pretty fulfilled, at least for now. But I had to make my role as "homemaker" into something more than "just a stay at home parent". And that takes work. Not just learning skills and all of that, but a lot of internal and mental and emotional work too.

I think a lot of us, both men and women, have hangups and biases against stay at home parents, of either gender. It's not something that really gets talked about because the default assumption is that you will work. Why wouldn't you work? Are you lazy or something? Even people with disabilities who can't work have hangups about not being able to work because it's been drummed into us basically from birth that working is a good thing, working is what we do and who we are. The first thing people ask is, "What do you do?" and it feels shameful to say that you're at home, no matter how good and valid your reasons for being there. So was it really being a SAHM that you didn't like, or was it the pressure (internal, external, or both) that you felt to be "productive"?

One final thing: you don't have to like your kids all the time. This is particularly true if you're actually with them all the time. Most kids behave better for other people than they do for their own parents, so you usually get the worst of them. It's okay. You're not a bad parent if you don't find your kids totally fulfilling all on their own or think each day is more perfect than the last.

If you feel that you have good work-life balance right now, I'd say hang onto the job. It doesn't sound like it's keeping you from helping your kids with online schooling or anything, and you haven't talked about it being impossible to work with them around. There are much worse things than having a job that's less than perfectly fulfilling, especially with the economy being on pretty shaky legs right now.

But if you quit, it doesn't sound like that would be the worst thing ever either. Sounds like you make enough to live and save, and if it would make these crazy times even slightly more bearable, go for it. Give yourself permission to take that step.

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Re: Disappointed in my career after kids
« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2021, 10:57:50 AM »
The two things I would add to what has already been said are (1) don't make any permanent decisions based on temporary conditions; and (2) stop viewing this as a one-time-only, life-or-death decision. 

First, it's a pandemic.  Everything is harder.  You may have had a decent balance before, and now it feels impossible; or maybe you were satisfied before, and now you're feeling trapped because you can't go anywhere or do anything, and it's coming out as frustration at the job (the one thing you can control).  Basically, you're in the suck right now, and there isn't anything you can do to fix the real problem, so the best you can do is make sure you don't deal with the stress by "fixing" something that isn't the problem, because that won't solve your problem now, and it might make you less happy when things return more to normal.

Second, quitting now does not mean you never work again.  This is really negative talk that ups the pressure on this particular decision, which then makes you feel more stuck because you are telling yourself this is your one chance to get it right so don't screw it up.  And that's just SO wrong.  Many people have a number of different lives; the only reason you would be any different is if you convince yourself that's not an option.  In fact, if you do want to quit for whatever reason, this is the perfect time:  many, many people are being forced out of work due to childcare responsibilities, health concerns, inability to travel or work at home, etc.  So your story is already pre-made for you:  when the pandemic hit and you lost childcare/school, you couldn't meet the needs of both your kids and your job, so you regretfully resigned instead of doing a half-assed job, but now that things are back to normal, you're ready to get back to it.  Etc.

I think part of what you're dealing with is just the normal trade-offs.  Yes, if you get a full-time job, you probably won't be able to do all the summer family stuff you like, and you'll have to figure out camps/daycare for the kids when they're out of school.*  Yes, working gives you more adult interaction and more of a feeling of accomplishment (kids can do that as well, but that tends to be measured over years instead of days/weeks); but it also takes away time, attention, and energy from the family.  Work provides more financial opportunities, but also more stress, and it often adds costs for things like when you're too tired to cook and order takeout.  The thing is, there is no perfect answer.  And it's not silly to be weighing a job against summer plans -- that's exactly what you should be doing to ensure that whatever decision you make, it's the best compromise for you and your family. 

So:  be patient with yourself.  Find ways to deal with your stress now, because your mental health is important.  Take your time to figure out what balance you actually want once the pandemic is over.  Make the best decision you can.  And then if that doesn't work, change it.  Good luck!

*Around here, we had sports and music camps that my kids would have loved to go to -- but they all ran like 9-1, or max 9-3.  So my kids went to the day camp that offered busing and full-time hours.  Yes, I felt crappy about it at the time.  And yet my kids loved the camp they went to and became counselors there. 

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Re: Disappointed in my career after kids
« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2021, 04:48:23 PM »
I loved so many things that you said! Thank you. Great wisdom here!

I remind myself that there are seasons of work. When my husband was in school, that was my season of being the Breadwinner. Right now, it's his turn. While my kids are young and my mom needs my care, it's not my season to be the worker. But later on, maybe we'll switch again. Or maybe we'll work out being dual-career parents for a while. Or maybe we'll hit FIRE at some point and both be home. Who knows? If that season never comes, though, I've actually worked myself around to being pretty content that I've built a good life. I make time to read about 60 books a year, I have time for friends and family when they need help, I have time to exercise, I love the gardening and all that, and I'm feeling generally pretty fulfilled, at least for now. But I had to make my role as "homemaker" into something more than "just a stay at home parent". And that takes work. Not just learning skills and all of that, but a lot of internal and mental and emotional work too.

I think a lot of us, both men and women, have hangups and biases against stay at home parents, of either gender. It's not something that really gets talked about because the default assumption is that you will work. Why wouldn't you work? Are you lazy or something? Even people with disabilities who can't work have hangups about not being able to work because it's been drummed into us basically from birth that working is a good thing, working is what we do and who we are. The first thing people ask is, "What do you do?" and it feels shameful to say that you're at home, no matter how good and valid your reasons for being there. So was it really being a SAHM that you didn't like, or was it the pressure (internal, external, or both) that you felt to be "productive"?

Amen!! This is so true. There are seasons of work. I also believe that it is all work, being home with kids or at a job... there is no escaping the work when you have kids until they are in school. I admit that I do have hangups about being a stay at home mom myself... not towards others, but it's hard to truly allow it for myself without some guilt. It's true, it is the first thing people ask is "what you you do?"... I've consciously tried not to ask that since I have been a mom. I really hate that question! I also hate how people ask my husband that question and not me. It's like they assume that I have nothing to say. Yeah so I guess I am proving that I do have some pride issues with all of this! I wish I didn't.

This season of life is soooo hard. Especially with the pandemic. My part-time job is actually pretty awesome. It pays less than I made before, but it is enjoyable to work from home and to have less work hours. I think out of the options that I mentioned in my original post, I should not look for a new full-time job. I cannot put all my 3 kids in childcare (1 is remote school). It would be too expensive.

Life will hopefully get easier in the future. I am sure I am not the only one hanging on to my sanity by an inch.

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Re: Disappointed in my career after kids
« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2021, 04:58:59 PM »
This all fits with frugality too, so I figure my other role is as the Defender of the Money. My partner is the offense, the Maker of the Money, I'm the defense. I do all the little things I can to ensure that what he makes is put to the best possible use. I'm not "just" a homemaker, my role in the home is valuable.

I am also a talented Defender of the Money. It truly does make a difference! I'm saving thousands by not putting my kids in daycare, although I wish I had preschool a few hours, we are struggling here! (We recently moved are waitlisted at the preschools) But yeah, I am a natural at saving money and after-tax saving is more valuable than pre-tax earnings :)

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Re: Disappointed in my career after kids
« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2021, 07:14:21 PM »
Thank you to everyone that responded. It is a hard season to have little kids and juggle work/childcare or stay-at-home parent/career-lust... it's true that there is no easy answer and nothing is perfect in this time.

I'm starting to realize that attitude is everything. I need to actually work at being happy, because happiness is not knocking at the door during this depressing pandemic... but I've actually struggled with it the entire time I have been a mom.

One time I heard that you can do everything, but not at the same time. I think that's the truth, because you can't physically be in two places at once, or if you work from home, you can't play with your kids while you work.

I need to come to peace with that, that I can't do everything at the same time. I am trying to reprogram my brain to not value my "career" so much. It is drilled into our heads since elementary school to work. It seems like I sabotaged my career by becoming a stay-at-home mom/part-time contractor, but actually I think that is not true and I will work again in a career type job (if I want/need to). All of the people in this group understand that not working is pretty awesome! Actually my part-time contractor gig is great! Just need to block out the voices in my head.