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For those who have successfully not murdered their 12-18 year old, what are your tips for success?

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Re: What is your strategy for parenting middle and high schoolers?
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2020, 11:19:23 AM »
For those who have successfully not murdered their 12-18 year old, what are your tips for success?
That the answer to most of their "can I <engage in some fun activity>?" questions to you is the same as the answer to your "is your homework done?" question to them.

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Re: What is your strategy for parenting middle and high schoolers?
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2020, 02:12:02 PM »
I’ve got about ten years to figure it out, but so far I’m planning on a mix of military discipline and millionaire luxury to encourage a work hard play hard ethic.  First class grades equals first class flights!

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Re: What is your strategy for parenting middle and high schoolers?
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2020, 02:23:31 PM »
Boys 17 and 14 here.

1. Keep them busy. Insist on daily physical activity. If they're not involved in organized sports, fine, but they need to run, swim, hit the gym, something.

2. Contribute around the house. Clean, chores, etc. My 14-year-old helped me install some fence posts today.

3. Constantly talk about their future. Explain they have to figure it out and soon. My favorite movie is Office Space and my teenagers have watched it with me numerous times. I explain that while it's a funny movie, it actually is how many if not most people live their professional lives. If you don't want to live that life, start figuring out something you want to do. Otherwise the world will choose your career and life for you.

4. Constantly teach financial literacy. I've brought my teenagers with me to buy cars. I've explained the stock market and our investments (definitely a teachable moment after the last week of the market). This stuff isn't getting taught in schools. I put Dave Ramsey on in the car when I'm driving with them. Love or hate Dave, most people don't have even that level of financial literacy.

5. Find something you enjoy together and run with it. My sons have come to love college and pro basketball even though only one plays and we live in a market (Tampa) that is not a hotbed of hoops. But we watch it avidly, go to college and NBA games and travel to games for my alma mater as well as DW's.

6. Recognize that kids take their cues from you. If you eat crap, watch lots of TV, don't work out, obsess over social media, etc., don't be surprised when they do, too.

7. Start the college process when they are 10. Visit colleges as you travel the country. Talk about the process. (Since we follow college basketball, this helps.) Build this into the financial literacy discussion about why it's financially irresponsible to go out of state or to a private school.

8. Have them learn stuff you can't do or suck at. This admittedly needs to start long before the teenage years. I was never a Boy Scout but now I have an Eagle Scout son. I didn't do laundry until college but both of our guys do their own. I never cooked for myself until well into college. One son grills for us most nights. I didn't learn to swim properly until my late 30s. Both of my guys have been on swim teams.

It's the toughest, most challenging job of your life and these are some rough years. Good thread suggestion.
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« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2020, 02:54:59 PM »
15- and 19-year old boys here.

I like a lot of what LiveLean said, although I don't necessarily agree about all the details. But that's OK! I definitely definitely agree that getting them to move their bodies daily is critical! Everything works better if you can get out some of the pent up energy!

Talk about priorities and values with your kids. As has been pointed out, they see what you do, so if your life is inconsistent with your values, they'll notice that!

I had fun (and it was a great conversation starter) asking people what they thought kids should know before becoming adults. (I asked adults and kids). I kept a running list on my phone, and we'd think of ways to incorporate those items. ("Can navigate an airport" can be accomplished by leaving extra time for travel and informing the kid that it's his responsibility to lead you through. Preferably after modeling what you want him to do once or twice.)

Also, keeping an eye on the long view is really helpful. What kind of people do you want them to be? What/who do THEY want to be when they grow up? You don't necessarily have all the answers for them -- at some point you can be approached for questioning, but they'll have to make their own decisions. When they do ask you questions, try to give complete and honest answers (to be clear, "honest" could be "I don't feel talking about that with you, but I'll help you try to get more information.")

I actually think teenagers are really fun, at least when they're not amusing themselves by provoking me. Oh yeah -- learn to recognize when they're pulling your chain, and call them on it (nicely)!

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« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2020, 03:08:14 PM »
A teenager is much like an orangutan seeking its independence. I absolutely love my boys and am still in the thick of it with one nearing high school age.

They will lie to you at some point and it will feel devastating when you find out. A counselor told us: "teenagers lie".

If you are lucky, it's a stage they'll grow out of and learn from. I always recommend Love and Logic.

Watch who their friends are. That tells you most of what you need to know. Do not hesitate to spy on their phones (after all, they're your phones) if you need to. They are dumb and plan most of their crimes that way LOL.

Keeping them active keeps them out of (some) trouble.

Choose your battles, but do not give up too soon at this critical stage. Game-play out your actions: If I permit this behavior, what is the logical extension of this permissiveness? This is where parenting gets hard but has a great reward.

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« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2020, 03:10:50 PM »
Oh, and make them cook and take the bus!

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« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2020, 06:14:02 PM »
I'm in the midst of this, with 13 & 14 year old boys.

A lot of what @LiveLean and @jeninco recommended.

-We definitely focus on physical activity. It's a must. Everyone is better without it. The parents, and the kids.
-I meditate a lot more than I ever have. I'm a better parent with that, too
-Recognize that your life will not be their life. I've never tried to live vicariously through my kids, but I did think the paths would be similar. I was an achiever, graduated with great grades, got a scholarship, went to college, grad school, high paying jobs, etc. Not even sure that was the right path for me, but it's gotten me pretty far. Both of my kids are very different than me. One has a challenge that is already limiting some of that. It's taken some grieving & a lot of personal reflection to come to terms with that, and help support him & find ways he can be successful with what he has. A  TON of personal reflection.
-Allow them to make mistakes & face the consequences of bad decisions. Try to do this in a thoughtful way, and not something with a tremendous amount of consequence the first few go rounds.
-Check out their friends. Pay attention to their lives. Drive them in the car, and hear the chit chat. Take them on walks, where they might open up. Find fun things to do together. We ski as a family, and have had so many amazing memories.
-Model the behavior you would want them to have.

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« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2020, 03:26:48 AM »
Don't assume that they will be like you were as a teen, with the same priorities, fears, and behaviours that you had.

Take a genuine interest in them where you employ active listening and not with the purpose of trying to correct them or tell them what to do.

They're at an age where they absolutely, desperately want to feel understood and where they feel constantly judged. So if you can have certain safe space activities, like going for walks or a hobby you share, you can start establishing  a new dynamic where you can demonstrate respect for the burgeoning autonomous adult they are becoming.

It can make the difference of those life plan discussions PP mentioned being helpful vs being just more pressure on their already high pressure existence.

Try to genuinely like them as humans, not just as your kids.

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« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2020, 06:34:48 AM »
Although my son is grown now and married with 2 babies of his own, I definitely remember those days where I wondered if there was a military school nearby where I could drop him off …! 

In addition to the wonderful advice above, I'd also suggest some exposure to basic civics.  For example, I would discuss current events with him usually during a meal (food = happiness to male teens).  I would keep it simple and in the context of what was happening with him, e.g., how our taxes pay for schools and libraries and roadways. 
He also went with me to the voting booth (this is allowed in AZ) and then we both went out to breakfast afterwards - a nice mom/son ritual which also reinforced the importance of voting.  We took advantage of my job at MegaCorps to participate in their different volunteer opportunities like painting houses or planting trees in park spaces.  He enjoyed being helpful and has continued his volunteerism into his adulthood.

Finally, if you do sense some real struggles (and fortunately we didn't experience this personally) I'd suggest getting them to talk to a counselor or even a trusted family member or friend.  Just understanding that they have this option can take some of the pressure off and widen their perspective - all of life's lessons don't have to come from you.

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« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2020, 07:46:02 AM »
The single-most important thing I learned is to realize I am not raising children, I am raising adults.  By about spring of my DD's junior year, when she'd ask me if she could do something, I'd think to myself, "well, she's going to be gone in a year, so now what?" -- the goal was to get her used to that kind of freedom in a responsible way.  Of course, this is the kid who has wanted to be independent since she arrived on this earth, so that was just the tail end of a long history of figuring out how much freedom she could handle.

The specific details depend on your kid.  For ex., DD was the "verbal diarrhea" kid.  I had to figure out that she processed her emotions verbally, that what she said often wasn't what she meant, and that in any event, it wasn't about me.  That helped a lot during the frequent highly-emotional rants -- it enabled me to see the hurt underneath and respond to that rather than getting triggered by something insulting or hurtful that she said.  She also saw any advice as evidence that I didn't think she was competent, so I had to learn to bite my tongue (but she was so wrong! the problem was so easy to fix!) and just say things like, "wow, that's so frustrating -- so what do you think you're going to do about it?"  There were even times that I had to stretch it and act like I agreed with her about school stuff (e.g., teachers being mean), because what she really needed was to know that I had her back and had confidence in her ability to manage the situation.

DS (8th grade), OTOH, is exactly the opposite.  He keeps everything inside, and he can be a sneaky SOB at times -- the phrase "smile and smile and be a villain" comes to mind, as he's cute and has definitely learned that he can get away with more simply by being nice and agreeable and then doing whatever the hell he wants when backs are turned.  Luckily, he is fundamentally a good, nice kid, but he definitely stretches it and sneaks where DD was a total rule-follower (she'd scream and moan but comply; he'll say "of course" with a smile and ignore). 

I'm definitely still figuring it out with him.  But even though they react differently, both kids want to be seen as good kids, and they want the freedom to do what they want to do.  When I caught DS out doing stuff he shouldn't have been doing, the response was grounding -- no electronics of any sort, no running around after school with his friends.  Because what he was loving more than anything was the freedom to be on his own after school and go do stuff with the guys.  So I explained that he gets that freedom because I trust him to make good decisions, and when his actions demonstrate that I can't trust him to do that, then he loses the freedom.  And then I had to come up with things he could do to earn my trust back.  We had to go through that cycle a couple of times, but we seem to have gotten through that particular issue (although I am sure there are more in our future).  But I still struggle to get him to talk about the things that are bothering him -- he is a private kid and hates prying, so I let him know that I am here if and when he wants to talk about anything, but that he doesn't have to if he doesn't want to.

The thing that applies with both kids is that when they are acting like entitled twits, it means I have not asked enough of them.  So when DD started being intolerably bitchy around 12.5, I explained that if she is taking things for granted, then I am clearly carrying too much of the load, and so it was now her turn to make dinner once a week.  But of course the underlying issue was really that she wanted to be seen as grown-up and capable, so the more responsibilities I gave her -- and the more I worked with her calmly to teach her those skills and praised her for learning them -- the more she calmed down, because what I was really giving her was the opportunity to prove to herself how capable she actually was.

Above all, love them.  When they are the most impossible is usually when they need unconditional love the most.  I would remind myself that this is a really fundamentally good kid, so imagine how terrible it is to be inside their head at that moment, with so much emotion roiling around to provoke that kind of outburst/behavior. 

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« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2020, 04:34:37 PM »
To follow up on the teaching skills aspect -
There's a lot of self-esteem issues at that age which leads to physical appearance and the latest clothes, footwear or haircut becoming all-important in their sense of self-worth.

Instead, if a teen takes the route of gaining self-esteem from the skills they acquire like being able to change a tire, sew on a button, pitch a tent, hitch a trailer on the back of a truck, use power tools, become a lifeguard, handle a part-time job, tutor someone, etc. then they can become somewhat inoculated from the peers who emphasize only looks.

That said, I'm in favor of things like getting teens braces, teeth whitening, some stylish clothing or haircut within reason to at least fit in.  No need to unnecessarily make them a target.

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« Reply #12 on: March 04, 2020, 11:51:00 AM »
23 and 19 boys

Pick your battles.  I don't care if they are wearing the stupidest looking clothes I could imagine.  I'll let that go. 

It's your house so you get to make the rules.  ALL 18 year olds suddenly think that they can do XYZ because they're 18 so now they're an adult and now its legal.  My answer, which I have used many times is "When you have your own job and place and money, you get to make your own rules.  Until then, here are the rules you go by.  If that's not ok with you, I can't stop you.  The driveway is out there.  Feel free to go fend for yourself".

Go over basic finances.  Cosby Show style.  You make $100.  The government takes $30 in taxes so now you have $70.  Let's look at apartments.  How many room mates do you plan to have?  Ok, figure $50 goes towards rent.  Now, do you plan to have a car?  You've got $20 for the car payment, insurance, exise tax, inspection, gas and maintenance.

Understand that sometimes when the police officer shows up at the door, your son actually did not do anything and the cop realizes it when he sees your son drive up the driveway and the car doesn't have a wing and does have a front license plate.

Remember the universal law:  Teenagers are morons.

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« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2020, 11:56:31 AM »
For those who have successfully not murdered their 12-18 year old, what are your tips for success?
That the answer to most of their "can I <engage in some fun activity>?" questions to you is the same as the answer to your "is your homework done?" question to them.
This.

And - boundaries for amount of electronic time.  Hard stops.

Get used to reminding them to do everything.  I mean everything.  You'd think that you shouldn't have to remind them to shower, put their socks in the laundry, comb their hair, brush their teeth, put their dishes in the dishwasher (every time!!)

Be consistent.  My husband travels and I FINALLY got my teen to start doing trash on trash day, then husband comes back and starts doing the trash because "it's easier".  No, it's easier for YOU but when you are gone then I have to beat him over the head (not really).  So now we are fine.

Constant reminders to be polite.  Constant. 

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« Reply #14 on: March 07, 2020, 08:04:10 AM »
For those who have successfully not murdered their 12-18 year old, what are your tips for success?
That the answer to most of their "can I <engage in some fun activity>?" questions to you is the same as the answer to your "is your homework done?" question to them.
This.

And - boundaries for amount of electronic time.  Hard stops.

Get used to reminding them to do everything.  I mean everything.  You'd think that you shouldn't have to remind them to shower, put their socks in the laundry, comb their hair, brush their teeth, put their dishes in the dishwasher (every time!!)

Be consistent.  My husband travels and I FINALLY got my teen to start doing trash on trash day, then husband comes back and starts doing the trash because "it's easier".  No, it's easier for YOU but when you are gone then I have to beat him over the head (not really).  So now we are fine.

Constant reminders to be polite.  Constant.

These both ring true with our current experience.

OMG we have to be SO on top of them.

Just Thursday night, DS did his homework. I asked him if he put it in his bag. "No not yet but it's fine, I'll do it mom". Now if I had pushed him to do it right then, he would have pushed back hard because he hates being told what to do. But guess what I just found, not turned in and now late, so 50% of credit. I

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« Reply #15 on: March 09, 2020, 01:20:08 AM »
My strategy is the same as it has been all along.
My kids are 16 and 12.
I treat them with love, respect and compassion. I listen to them, and support them. I help them do the things they want to do. We discuss principles, values, needs, wants, budgets, priorities. We spend a lot of time together and talk about the stuff we watch, read, and make.
I started out with attachment parenting. We've unschooled all along. They have different temperaments and personalities. The younger one needs a lot of emotional support and coaching, they are sometimes depressed and sad. I talk with them about coping strategies and encourage physical activity (well for both of them and myself, too).


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« Reply #16 on: April 13, 2020, 03:33:48 PM »
I have girls, 14 and almost 13 (and a 10-year-old who hasn't hit the hateful stage yet).

At one point a few years ago when oldest started going through puberty, there was an EPIC screaming match, to the point that my husband physically inserted himself between me and oldest and sent us both to our rooms. 

So I feel for you!!!!!  We decided the only way to survive was to focus on teaching them how to be humans.

We keep them off social media completely, and we monitor their phones and computers for compliance.

They must be useful - they have chores, which we rotate twice a year.  My oldest is pretty capable at all household chores and baking.  Learning to cook will be next for her. 

We work A LOT on emotional intelligence, boundaries, and critical thinking.  All the time.  We talk about motivations - of people on tv, of people at the store (when we could leave the house), of friends and family, of ourselves.  We ask them about their motivations, and how they predict whether there will be positive or negative consequences.  They are learning how to identify and describe their decision-making processes...and in that process, they are starting to recognize where there are gaps ("I hit my brother because he looked at me wrong from 20 feet away" doesn't sound nearly so justifiable when you say it out loud.).

We stress respect - for themselves, for each other, for us as their parents, for their friends and teachers and strangers.  We enforce it, and we have to have respect for them too.  I was overly stressed at work and was snapping at the kids over dumb stuff.  As a family, they staged an intervention, and now we have a family code word that we use whenever any one person is overreacting to stuff.  It was the most ridiculous word they could come up with, and when someone says it to you, you have to immediately stop talking and take 3 deep breaths.  It works!!

We aren't very authoritarian parents.  The rule in my house has always been that if you can convince me you're right, I'll seriously consider your proposal and may change a previously issued rule/decision.  Nagging, however, has an immediate negative effect on your prospects.  This makes them more invested in following the rules.  If they can't figure out any way to justify what they want, they're starting to realize that means it was probably a bad idea. 

Consequences.  We crowdsource unique punishments (S10 once had to chop half a dozen onions).  We also have positive consequences - more freedom, more electronic time, more control (e.g., kid A is rewarded by getting to pick the restaurant the next time we go out to eat).

and talking.  Lots and lots and lots of talking, about everything.  I talk to them about the news, I talk to them about their friends and school, I talk to them about why I did X that day, I talk to them about sex (I told them we're going to keep having The Talk until they stop blushing), I talk to them about books and their favorite tv show, and that video game they played yesterday.  I will try to find an answer to any question about any topic.

It's worked.  I was pleasantly surprised to finally realize that D14 had morphed into an actual decent, enjoyable human being.  D12 is almost there.  S10 is going to be a handful!!

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Re: What is your strategy for parenting middle and high schoolers?
« Reply #17 on: April 13, 2020, 03:51:56 PM »
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They must be useful - they have chores, which we rotate twice a year.  My oldest is pretty capable at all household chores and baking.  Learning to cook will be next for her. 

We work A LOT on emotional intelligence, boundaries, and critical thinking.  All the time.  We talk about motivations - of people on tv, of people at the store (when we could leave the house), of friends and family, of ourselves.  We ask them about their motivations, and how they predict whether there will be positive or negative consequences.  They are learning how to identify and describe their decision-making processes...and in that process, they are starting to recognize where there are gaps ("I hit my brother because he looked at me wrong from 20 feet away" doesn't sound nearly so justifiable when you say it out loud.).

We stress respect - for themselves, for each other, for us as their parents, for their friends and teachers and strangers.  We enforce it, and we have to have respect for them too.  I was overly stressed at work and was snapping at the kids over dumb stuff.  As a family, they staged an intervention, and now we have a family code word that we use whenever any one person is overreacting to stuff.  It was the most ridiculous word they could come up with, and when someone says it to you, you have to immediately stop talking and take 3 deep breaths.  It works!!

We aren't very authoritarian parents.  The rule in my house has always been that if you can convince me you're right, I'll seriously consider your proposal and may change a previously issued rule/decision.  Nagging, however, has an immediate negative effect on your prospects.  This makes them more invested in following the rules.  If they can't figure out any way to justify what they want, they're starting to realize that means it was probably a bad idea. 

Consequences.  We crowdsource unique punishments (S10 once had to chop half a dozen onions).  We also have positive consequences - more freedom, more electronic time, more control (e.g., kid A is rewarded by getting to pick the restaurant the next time we go out to eat).

and talking.  Lots and lots and lots of talking, about everything.  I talk to them about the news, I talk to them about their friends and school, I talk to them about why I did X that day, I talk to them about sex (I told them we're going to keep having The Talk until they stop blushing), I talk to them about books and their favorite tv show, and that video game they played yesterday.  I will try to find an answer to any question about any topic.

I haven't been a teenager for a few decades and it was a miserable time for me (and I'm sure my family). Reading this made me want to be one in your house. You are very wise to be discussing EQ and are setting your kids up for a good life.
I imagine it takes a lot of time and energy but applause from an internet stranger.

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« Reply #18 on: April 14, 2020, 10:26:21 AM »
Thank you, @MoseyingAlong !!!  Parenting is so hard (especially when you're all trapped inside).  You made me smile today :)

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« Reply #19 on: April 15, 2020, 06:13:27 PM »
For those who have successfully not murdered their 12-18 year old, what are your tips for success?
That the answer to most of their "can I <engage in some fun activity>?" questions to you is the same as the answer to your "is your homework done?" question to them.
This.

And - boundaries for amount of electronic time.  Hard stops.

Get used to reminding them to do everything.  I mean everything.  You'd think that you shouldn't have to remind them to shower, put their socks in the laundry, comb their hair, brush their teeth, put their dishes in the dishwasher (every time!!)

Be consistent.  My husband travels and I FINALLY got my teen to start doing trash on trash day, then husband comes back and starts doing the trash because "it's easier".  No, it's easier for YOU but when you are gone then I have to beat him over the head (not really).  So now we are fine.

Constant reminders to be polite.  Constant.

These both ring true with our current experience.

OMG we have to be SO on top of them.

Just Thursday night, DS did his homework. I asked him if he put it in his bag. "No not yet but it's fine, I'll do it mom". Now if I had pushed him to do it right then, he would have pushed back hard because he hates being told what to do. But guess what I just found, not turned in and now late, so 50% of credit. I
Yes.  I am trying to remind him it's not "done" until it is cleaned up.

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Re: What is your strategy for parenting middle and high schoolers?
« Reply #20 on: April 20, 2020, 02:57:10 PM »
Safety first was my mantra.   We can figure the rest out.

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« Reply #21 on: April 21, 2020, 02:33:50 PM »
Sigh.  About through with it.  19 and 23 yo boys.

1-  Teenagers are all morons.
2-  Assume that everything they say is a lie.
3-  Encourage grandparents not to give them cash because they're just going to buy drugs with the cash.
4-  Any day where you don't have to drive to the in-patient psych ward or send $35k more to the lawyer is a good day
5-  There will be good days.  I repeat.  There will be good days.
6-  Things do get better.  But not until they're really, really bad.

(all of the above is from direct experience)

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« Reply #22 on: April 22, 2020, 02:57:47 PM »
To give you some perspective, I asked my grown daughter what were the most difficult years growing up and she said 7th Grade and 10th Grade.
7th Grade marked the change from "kid" and 10th grade was social pressure time.
11th Grade was the pressure cooker for college.  12th Grade was fun-of-a-lifetime

Her boyfriend concurred with the same.

My perspective was that 11th grade was when i really knew my kid would be okay in life - high-pressure high school, lots of big decisions, but always worked hard (enough) and showed good focus, and developed some passions while still getting her shit done.  I was, and am, very proud of her.

So here's my parenting secret. Always listen to them.  Be the one person in their lives who always (always) has time to stop and listen to them.  If they say something that you didn't hear, ask them to repeat it. Think about what they say and respond to it. Never be distracted.

Life won't be like that. Life will ignore them and cast them aside and leave them by the side of the road, so if you always listen to them you'll be doing 2 things: letting them know that you are always there for them, and creating a bias in them that draws them to partners and friends who listen to them.

Oh, and safety first.

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Re: What is your strategy for parenting middle and high schoolers?
« Reply #23 on: April 22, 2020, 04:24:27 PM »
My perspective was that 11th grade was when i really knew my kid would be okay in life - high-pressure high school, lots of big decisions, but always worked hard (enough) and showed good focus, and developed some passions while still getting her shit done.  I was, and am, very proud of her.

So here's my parenting secret. Always listen to them.  Be the one person in their lives who always (always) has time to stop and listen to them. 

I wholeheartedly agree with both of these observations.  11th grade was when I first had the "holy shit, she might actually be able to go away to college and manage herself!" realization.  And my relationship with my DD did a complete 180 when I stopped offering helpful "advice" and started empathizing with her frustrations (even when she was completely in the wrong).  There are enough people in the world who will tear them down; they need to know that you are their safe place -- that you love them no matter what; that you think they are the most awesome people ever to walk the face of the planet, even (especially!) when they're far from perfect.

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Re: What is your strategy for parenting middle and high schoolers?
« Reply #24 on: June 05, 2020, 11:58:49 AM »
My boys are 20 and 18 and honestly, the teen years are my favorite part of parenting. These are the golden years when the kids are able not only to look after their own physical needs, but to contribute to the family in so many ways--practical work, conversations, ideas, projects....

I've asked them and their older sisters what mattered most to them growing up and what they highlighted was that they always trusted us. I think there are several reasons for that:

1) We never, ever lied to them.
2) We had very few rules. We had general principles, whose specific application could be discussed. E.g. Instead of the rule "Bedtime at 9:00" we had the general principle that you need to get enough sleep to keep healthy.
3) When we did have requirements, we were always ready to explain the reasons for them.
4) We respected them as agents and as people with opinions and preferences, and would listen to what they had to say. This applies to discipline-type issues, to decisions about how to implement the principles in 2), but also to general conversation.

Other things, not directly related to trust, that have borne fruit:
We tried hard to model decision-making based on consideration for others.
We spend a lot of time together as a family doing fun stuff. We have a strong family culture of traditions, running jokes, reading aloud, etc.
We eat dinner together as a family almost every day, even without a pandemic stay-at-home order.

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Re: What is your strategy for parenting middle and high schoolers?
« Reply #25 on: June 05, 2020, 12:01:13 PM »
There are enough people in the world who will tear them down; they need to know that you are their safe place -- that you love them no matter what; that you think they are the most awesome people ever to walk the face of the planet, even (especially!) when they're far from perfect.

My father often quoted to me, and have often quoted to my kids, a professor who said to a student, "Do not be so self-effacing, Miss Brown! The world is full of people who will efface you for you!"

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Re: What is your strategy for parenting middle and high schoolers?
« Reply #26 on: June 05, 2020, 04:17:31 PM »
My oldest son was super easy. The other 2 boys not so much. I was glad when the last two were grown.

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Re: What is your strategy for parenting middle and high schoolers?
« Reply #27 on: June 18, 2020, 02:26:52 PM »
Each kid is different, so the strategy is different.

One thing I have done right is get them working papers early (14/15), drive them to businesses until they come out with a job, and then have them start a Roth IRA.

A trick to having a stronger relationship with your teen is to be with them when they are little. Last night the younger ones and I went out so they could hover-board around. The older ones and I have a show we're watching together. At dinner (we eat dinner together almost every night) lately, I have a Shel Silverstein poetry book nearby that we occasionally take turns reading from.

In fact I have to sign off now. We're eating early and heading to the beach. And at the beach I will spend at least 50% of the time doing what the younger ones want to do, and then they have to do what I want to do.

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Re: What is your strategy for parenting middle and high schoolers?
« Reply #28 on: July 05, 2020, 06:52:30 AM »
I have no answers for OP, but my full sympathy.  FWIW, our oldest son has a very negotiated relationship with us and the coin of the realm is hours.  He wants a ride to see his long distance girlfriend? Well then, since it will take hours out of my day, he must return those hours to us in housework.

I don't advise this kind of relationship, as it is cold and means that he does nothing out of altruism or love, but it limps along somehow and could be worse.

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Re: What is your strategy for parenting middle and high schoolers?
« Reply #29 on: July 07, 2020, 10:20:25 AM »
I don't have a teen yet, so reading all of these perspectives from the parenting side is great.  I strongly agree about actively trying to up your child's emotional intelligence.  I had to figure out emotional management on my own and later in therapy, so I've already started modeling to and teaching my four year old how to manage her emotions (mostly how to calm down from a tantrum).  And I'd add, from my experience as a teen, don't be afraid of therapy.  Most kids/teens won't need it (though I think more people could benefit from it even if they're not mentally ill), but if they do need it, I think they need their parents to not be freaked out by it.  I'm grateful that my parents didn't make a huge deal out of the fact that I needed therapy. 

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Re: What is your strategy for parenting middle and high schoolers?
« Reply #30 on: July 24, 2020, 11:13:21 AM »
I think the lecturing them and letting them make some trivial mistakes are good to do at this age. We also talk a lot about things like compound interest and saving as kiddo's dad has always been the type to go paycheck to paycheck and i doubt he's changed.

One thing I've seen in kiddo is that kiddo is finding ways to make money for things I won't pay for. Kiddo has done a few side hustles to pay for things. Many of these are not things that would come to my mind. I have set the boundary about it taking my money and time and liability but kiddo has come up with a few ideas and made enough to buy the iphone they wanted. I think this type of thinking is great and not something taught in school.

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Re: What is your strategy for parenting middle and high schoolers?
« Reply #31 on: July 28, 2020, 04:46:45 PM »
We found we didn't have to stress the small stuff when these two things happened...

1. Helping with the household chores and daily tasks meant they were part of the team and entitled to the rewards of membership.
2. Getting an after school/ weekend paying job before turning 15 was the best way for teenagers to become independent and well-balanced.

Never had to nag them about achieving anything, I just used to say that they didn't need to try or study or help friends or family out if they didn't want to.......they could go it alone and work in their well paying after school customer service job forever....with all those quality conversations over the counter at McDonalds/ Walmart etc !!

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Re: What is your strategy for parenting middle and high schoolers?
« Reply #32 on: July 28, 2020, 09:29:55 PM »
Honestly, we are hecka lucky AND somehow the boys are so much more emotionally healthy than we were at their age. They have their moments of been doofuses but they show good judgement in most instances. Both bio parents have put in a lot of work to ensure a stable respectful relationship with no tug of war.

We are now reaping the reward of those early years spent building a trusting relationship. They know they can't play divide and conquer, we listen to them - even if they don't get their way, and they have work they do around the house as part of being members of the house. Now they are older, things are changing from instruction to listening to and learning from them. It's been helpful to discover things we can do with each boy separately (cooking/weightlifting) and things they both enjoy (making music/hiking)

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Re: What is your strategy for parenting middle and high schoolers?
« Reply #33 on: July 29, 2020, 03:28:36 PM »
Therapy if they need it. Hormones and teenage development can make for a bumpy road.

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Re: What is your strategy for parenting middle and high schoolers?
« Reply #34 on: July 29, 2020, 04:21:46 PM »
I have a middle school preteen who I joke is half teenager. Sometimes mom is fun and sometimes mom is embarrassing. It depends if there's another kid around.

I've been focusing on skills to help the household and that kiddo will need to be home alone and be a human. They have no interest in it yet other than to get out of summer camp but I want them prepared while I'm home working. Have set basic chores which include some cleaning up after themselves and cooking. Who to call for things. How to spot scams. How to navigate to places in the neighborhood and back. How to do laundry. Stuff like that.

I've also tried to stand the line of encouraging kiddo in their interests but at the same time I don't want to have to spend large amounts of my time and money fielding their attempts to make $5. Kiddo seems to be way more entrepreneurial minded than me and has come up with some things I would never have thought of. I think that's really cool but I have some limits in there on my time/money.