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Thinking of starting to try to have kids..
« on: July 31, 2014, 11:57:28 AM »
So my timeline was waiting another year but my DH has some other ideas.  I have a feeling we will be trying to get preggo sooner rather than later.  I have used this opportunity to point out that daycare $$ will have to come from somewhere and pointed out how much money he spends on work lunches, fast food, coffees, etc.  That actually went over pretty well. 

My parents are planning to move near us in the future which will help greatly but since the timeline might be moved up (obviously no guarantee it won't take a while once we start) I am starting to look into options.  Both my DH and I make very comparable $$ which would not be worth one of us giving up for just one kid in daycare (from a financial point only). 

What are other things I should be looking for that need to be added to the budget besides daycare/nanny/home care?  I would plan on breast feeding as much as possible but things don't always work out as planned.  I would appreciate any insight from those who have done this part without spending all the extra money 'necessary' to provide your newborn with the most up to date gadgets (will not be doing).  Google searching is providing a lot of expensive items from babies'r'us.  Specifically monthly line items would be useful so I can make sure we cut what we can while planning to ensure we still max all the tax advantage accounts (401K, HSA, IRA) after a baby comes. 

Most of the problem in our current budget (pretty much spending the take home after maxing the tax advantage accounts, so not horrible), is him.  Since he is not motivated by early retirement big changes haven't happened and I can only do the small changes myself (I haven't bought lunch in months).  I think this is a good chance to motivate him as he (cutely) really wants kids sooner rather than later so any examples relating to "if we cut X we can do Y with/for the kids", etc would go over better.  Thanks!

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Re: Thinking of starting to try to have kids..
« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2014, 12:38:47 PM »
The biggest thing I'm glad I planned for was the possibility of having a C-section.  Due to family history and whatnot, I was worried that might be the case and in the end we did have to have one.  (Due to baby and me going into distress.)  So the bills, when they started rolling in, weren't unexpectedly large.  If we had planned for that extra cost and didn't need to use it, so much the better.  "Extra" money!

Other than that, find a good used children's items store and several thrift shops.  Also, start asking around amongst friends and family to see who has baby items they want to get rid of.  It might surprise you how many do.  A few times I ended up kicking myself for not asking even distant relatives.  My parents gifted a (brand new) Ergo baby carrier to us, because I really wanted one, and then about a week later I got a message from a second cousin saying, "Hey, would you like our old one?"  That same cousin ended up sending us their old cloth diapers, which she was happy to get rid of and I was super happy to receive.  I never would have thought to ask a second cousin, though.

I do realize that second bit of advice depends on how close you are with family, but friends are an amazing resource as well.  Perhaps you could do a friend share thing?  If you and a friend end up staggering your kids, baby items can get passed back and forth and then not only do you get all the benefit of those items at basically zero cost but you don't have to store them, too.  Some other cousins (sisters) did this.  Boxes and boxes of baby items got passed back and forth and cycled through 5 kids.  :)  We have friends with a baby who's not much older but a size or two larger than our little one and they're not going to be having any more kids so she's passed along quite a few clothes to us.

Last, parents often keep a ridiculous amount of stuff.  I know our mothers have kept sweaters that they or relatives knitted for us as babies and everyone loves that our little girl is soon going to be able to wear them.  Same with blankets and newborn items, books, some toys, and shoes.  My MIL is visiting and this trip she brought up more board books, some of my husband's old toys, and his old baby shoes.  Do either of you have siblings with kids?  They might be willing to loan or give some of those baby items to you as well, and I've found that people are super, super happy to get rid of baby items which aren't needed anymore.

As for what you "need", that can depend on the kid.  I wasn't going to get a bouncy seat but ended up buying a used one ($12) when she was about 6 weeks because she screamed like she was being tortured if I put her on the floor.  Bouncy seat was totally ok though, and my arms needed a rest once in a while.  Maybe she liked being able to see things better?  Not sure.  She loves the baby carrier we have, and pacifiers, but our friends have a little boy her same age and he's the opposite.  HATES the carrier and pacifiers, so they needed a stroller rather than a carrier so that she can comfortably take SuperChunk out.  (He's huge!  If he'd been smaller she might have carried him everywhere, but at 8 months he's [edited] 2/3 the body weight of his 3 year old sister.)  Every parenting trick which has worked well for ours doesn't for him and vice versa.  So if someone tells you you "must" have something, remember that YMMV and every baby is different.  For some of the bigger items (like a stroller) it might be useful to wait until after you meet your kid and can determine what his/her needs actually are.

Our grand total for spending on baby (other than medical bills, which were not negligible) has been about $300, including all feeding (had to pay some money for the breast pump, but look into your insurer to see how much they'll pay for one for you), diapering, clothing, and items.  Since we have plenty of friends and family who are done having their own kids and planning to send us more clothes as their daughters/sons grow out of them, I'm not foreseeing a huge uptick in our spending as time goes on. 

My husband was actually really surprised by how cheap this has all been.  Don't know how to advise you on getting yours to cut back, though, without knowing him/your specific circumstances.  I think if you keep pointing out that any money he saves is more money to put toward something like a 529 or a carseat fund or bike trailer fund might be useful.

Sorry if this is more than you ever wanted to know!
« Last Edit: July 31, 2014, 05:14:30 PM by SisterX »

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Re: Thinking of starting to try to have kids..
« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2014, 02:15:41 PM »
Very exciting!  I had my first baby 9 months ago, so I'll share what I've learned.

As SisterX noted, by far and away the biggest expense is medical.  My prenatal care and drug free childbirth in a hospital cost about $15k before insurance or about $5k after insurance.  We just budgeted to reach our out-of-pocket family max ($11k) so we had plenty of cushion.  Babies also go to the doctor a lot after they are born, too.  Wellchild visits are usually 100% covered by insurance, but his other doctor's visits cost about $50-100 each.  This makes everything else seem cheap by comparison. 

If you are going back to work, then a good double electric breast pump is a must.  My insurance paid 100% of this though and some brands (Hyegia for example) are safe to buy second hand.  If I weren't working though, I would probably just buy a manual pump or nothing at all.  Or if you have on-site daycare, you can go by to feed your baby on your breaks.

Cloth diapers are more economical in the long run, but we use disposable Target brand ones for about 11 cents each.  Some day care center will only let you use disposable, so check this out before investing in cloth.

Do not buy any baby clothes, blankets, or toys.  People will give them to you because they are cute or because they have tubs worth of used clothes that were worn once.  I think I have purchased 3 baby outfits in a year.  Become friends with other moms and you can automatically be added to the hand-me-down chain.  I received diapers, clothes, food, etc which I have since passed on to others. 

My favorite big purchases have been: Ergo carrier, stroller/car seat combo, baby swing.  The bouncer was a bust for us, but it was a garage sale purchase.  Every baby is different.  My baby is cruising now and he LOVES pushing a diaper box around the room.  It's the little things sometimes :-)

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« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2014, 04:20:51 PM »
If you are someone who is planning for this before you have even started ttc, it is very unlikely that you aren't already part of a community that will pass down to you, or give you (an exception might be maternity clothes if you don't wear the same size(s) as people you know, because while people love to buy baby clothes, maternity clothes, not so much) all the "stuff" you need for a baby.  An exception might be a new car seat if you don't ask for one or all your family/friends are strapped.  Beyond the basics (diapers, onesies, place for baby to sleep, breast pump, car seat), what you will need (or want-so-desperately-you-cannot-cope-calmly-without-it, which is pretty much the same thing when parenting a newborn) will vary significantly from family to family and kid to kid, and is available over Amazon.  And there's not lots of it, but you'll find at some point that you MUST have a collapsible stroller, or a battery-powered mobile (this was me), or an Ergo.  And that is OK.  Set aside $500 so that you can get it when you figure out what it is and have a little padding for your budget just in case.

For us, the noticeable and not obvious expenses, beyond medical costs associated with childbirth and childcare, were getting wills written, taking out additional life insurance, adding DS to our health insurance, and replacing a vehicle (one of us drove a tiny pickup and we weren't comfortable with having a child seat in that).  Another big, longer term cost has been that I want to travel a lot MORE to visit family now that we have a LO, and am less tolerant of inconvenient-but-cheap travel schedules (weird connecting flights and so forth). 

Congratulations and GL!

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« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2014, 10:10:53 PM »
The most important thing I think we did was calculate an estimated monthly budget for the recurring baby needs (inc. Disposable diapers and formula just in case, I wasn't able to breastfeed), not so much the one time big ticket items. We came up with a best guess after talking to friends in our area about what they used and noting prices of things at stores. Then we started putting that money in our monthly budget as soon as we started trying. 10 months later when baby arrived, that big chunk of extra cash (3000$) went a long way toward paying medical bills, stuff we decided we did need but didn't get as gifts/hand-me-downs, and unexpected expenses, and our budget had long since adapted to the extra envelope. If you try this, including infant daycare, it could motivate your husband to change his spending (it sure worked on mine!) or it may encourage him to follow your original plan.

If you are interested in specifics... In the DC area where we live, our first guess was about 300$/month. As an infant on formula and disposable diapers (cloth didn't work out due to her eczema) it was really around 200-250 a month, taking into account medical expenses, splurges, and clothing as well. Yes it could have been less. She is 2 now, and her monthly budget has gone way way down. But that first year was high. Oh and by the way some quotes I got: infant daycare onsite at my job was 750 biweekly plus co-op hours,  offsite was over 500/week, and near my house was 435/week plus extra to drop off early so I could get to work on time. I am now a stay at home mom. This is DC mind you, but you need to get real numbers for your analysis. That may mean calling around and even doing site visits.

If you want an actual breakdown of items we got (ie stroller for x$, bouncy seat for y$) I can try but those one time purchases you may decide you don't need, you may ask for in a baby shower wish list, you may find used when I couldn't, so I'm not sure how helpful that will be.
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Re: Thinking of starting to try to have kids..
« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2014, 11:43:23 AM »
I would strongly recommend attempting to live on about 75% of one salary during your pregnancy (or hopeful pregnancy). Including anticipated medical costs and a big savings buffer (like 15-20%).

You might not think it will be worth it to quit, but you might have a change of heart. I never thought I would want to be a SAHM, but working kills me. We are attempting to cut down expenses this year to $16K plus giving, taxes, and daycare, so that we can live on 2/3 of his grad student salary next year without me working (obviously we will cut out giving taxes and daycare if I stop working)

This is Raleigh NC and we have a paid for house, so its pretty achievable actually (if we can figure out the whole healthcare thing).

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Re: Thinking of starting to try to have kids..
« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2014, 11:59:19 AM »
Check out these resources for ideas, though you probably won't need everything:
http://www.babycenter.com/baby-cost-calculator
http://www.squawkfox.com/2012/10/05/newborn-essentials-checklist/

My son is only 7 weeks old, so I don't yet have a good feel for actual long-term monthly costs.
 
Medical: Get an idea of how much it costs to have a baby in your area and with your insurance provider. Or, just prepare to spend your out-of-pocket maximum for you and the baby, in case things go badly wrong.

What kind of maternity leave does your employer provide?  Your income may be lower, or even zero, while you're recovering from the birth. Speaking of work, you may need more rest and more time off for medical appointments while pregnant.

Clothing: As others said, baby clothing is easy to get. In addition to finding thrift stores, find and join the Facebook "yard sale" groups for your area. Also find out what one-time consignment sales your area has. For you, borrowing maternity clothes may work if you're close in size to a friend or relative, even if your size isn't exactly the same. Also, you'll need clothing to nurse in; there was a thread on this forum about that you can search for if you want.

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« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2014, 01:50:26 PM »
One thing that has been helpful for me was joining a local mom's club in my town with a membership fee of about 30 bucks.  Overall it has been well worth the modest price! The club has its own Facebook group that functions as a mini-Craigslist just for kid/baby stuff.  People post things they are selling, things they are in search of to buy or just borrow.  I have bought a few things dirt cheap and also gotten referrals from members on things like recommendations for lawn care professionals to hire.  Club members can also sign up to have a few meals per week brought to them (for free!) after the baby is born.  In return, members are asked to provide two meals per year for other new moms.  It has been nice to meet a few other moms in my neighborhood via this group.  I would suggest finding a similar group in your area using Meetup.com or something similar.  Good luck! The decision to have a baby is an exciting one.   We have a new little one and it has been tough at times but wonderful overall.


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« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2014, 02:05:36 PM »
The only advice I can give as I am the man is two things.

1)  Don't go crazy buying a lot of crap that you may or may not use.  You will get gifted stuff for your first kid.  You don't need a whole lot to start off.  Figuring out your diaper, feeding, and sleeping arrangements are the most important.  People will buy and give you clothing it is going to happen.

2)  We made a rule that any money giving to our child was his.  We opened a savings account and deposited it in his account.  We do not use his birthday, christmas, etc gift money for normal expenses.  Just a thought

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« Reply #9 on: August 04, 2014, 11:46:36 AM »
usmarine1975 is absolutely correct.  Don't buy anything beyond the absolute minimum until you're sure people are done giving you gifts.  At that point, don't buy anything beyond what you actually need.  You can do without all the fancy gizmos and products.  Their primary purpose is to separate you from your money.

We're expecting our 6th child next month.  He/she (we're being surprised) will be wearing hand-me-downs.  We start stocking up on various sizes of disposable diapers starting several months beforehand--my wife fits it into the weekly grocery shopping budget.  Since this is your first child, I would actually suggest *against* this.  You'll find that some brands of diapers work better for you than others.  For our kids, Huggies work best in the newborn size, and we use Parents Choice (walmart store brand) for sizes 1-5.  If you're planning on cloth diapers...well, you're braver than we are.

Here's what I'd suggest you get:
--one package of onesies.  That's pretty much all our babies wear for the first several months.  Don't bother with cute outfits (unless someone gifts them to you).  You'll be in survival mode for the first while, and simplicity is key.
--a package of cloth diapers to use as burp cloths.  It's probably one of the best purchases we ever made.  We use the cheap ones from walmart
--a few receiving blankets, large enough to swaddle the baby in
--one package of diapers and wipes.  If you find they work well, go ahead and buy more.
--(if not already gifted to you) carseat/base/stroller.  We've used Graco brand, and been quite satisfied.  I LOVE being able to just lift the car seat out of the car and click it into the stroller.
--port-a-crib/Pack'n'Play.  A full-size crib isn't necessary, and the portable playpen is great for traveling.
--extra sheets for said pack'n'play.
--a good diaper bag.  We have a Lands' End one (Little Tripper's predecessor, I think) that we've used now for 5 kids, and it has been absolutely perfect.  Looks practically new, too, even after nearly 10 years of being abused carried around on a daily basis.

Examples of stupid things you don't need:
Diaper Genie
Wipes Warmer
Changing table - maybe we're just inured to it, but we'll change our kids' diapers anywhere, usually on the ground
Baby monitor - my wife has developed a super-human ability to hear a baby's cry all the way across the house, despite the din of several older kids
All sorts of toys.  Little babies don't need huge collections of toys.
Bumbo seat

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« Reply #10 on: August 04, 2014, 12:00:40 PM »
We were Huggies for a long time you can actually find them on sale.  My wife had it figured out that you want to be around 17 cents per diaper when you buy.  We have just recently switched to the Costco brand and were pleasantly surprised they are working quite well for our 2 year old.  We have our 2nd due in September so we will find out how they work for infants.

We bought one of the cushions has a cup in it for the bassinet that was giving to us by my mother.  She didn't purchase it she had it laying around the house.  Once we went away from the bassinet we took that cushion and used it as our changing station simply putting it on a dresser, at one point a dry sink and another the stackable boxes with slide in cloth boxes.  Usually just changed wherever but it was nice at times to have somewhere to stage all the diapers, but cream, wipes etc... 

We used throw away wipes that you purchase while away from home or traveling etc...  My wife bought a ton of wash clothes and made her own solution for wiping when at home.  Simply grabbed a spray bottle worked quite well.

We did have a crib it's a little bigger then a pack and play but not necessary.  Our's wasn't that expensive from Ikea.

I gotta finish sanding and painting the toddler bed that I scored on the street in my city.  Just needs refinished and a new mattress.  New baby will get the old crib and the 2 year old will get a bed.  We literally have no needs for the next baby. 

We also are going to be surprised.

We got a lot of hand me downs from neighbors friends etc...  Once you have a baby you will know tons of people that do it's amazing how that seems to change.

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« Reply #11 on: August 04, 2014, 12:16:16 PM »
As for specific line items in the budget-

Pregnancy/Delivery medicals:  We have "very good" insurance, and it still cost about $9000 out of pocket when it was all said and done.  (I ended up having an emergency burst placenta vessel at 20 weeks, an emergency c-section, and post-birth complications that kept baby and me in the hospital for 10 days.  You might not have these issues, but I would budget at least $5000.)

Baby furniture (ie. crib, changing table, dresser drawers):  I'd budget $500-$1500 for this depending on what you're looking at buying. 

Breast Pump and feeding supplies:  pump will run about $300, bottles/nipples another $100 or so

Formula (if you go this route): $80/mo.

Baby Supplies (diapers, wipes):  If you cloth diaper, I'd set aside about $200-$300 for a set.  If you use disposable, $50/mo.

Toys, books, clothes:  You can get a lot used.  And little newborns don't need as many changes of clothes as older babies and toddlers and we received a lot of infant items from friends and family.  Still, I'd budget $20-40/mo.

Periodic Babysitting:  In addition to the everyday daycare, you will want some time away from the baby.  Unless you have a free babysitter (grandparent, sibling, friend), I would budget $40/mo for this.

I'd use these numbers, or something like it, when putting together an example budget.  You'll get a better idea of what you use and need once the baby arrives.

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« Reply #12 on: August 04, 2014, 12:24:18 PM »
Oh one other note that I will discuss separately is stashing away some cash. 

We saved up quite a bit (~$15k) in advance of our baby's arrival.  This was so incredibly useful.  When we were trying to figure things out while tired and stressed (like paying medical bills, getting a lactation consultant/doula, hiring a nanny, buying things we needed at a moment's notice), it was a huge relief not to have to worry about money.  It was nice to throw money at a problem and have it go away.  Not terribly mustachian but there you go.

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Re: Thinking of starting to try to have kids..
« Reply #13 on: August 04, 2014, 05:57:51 PM »
As for specific line items in the budget-

Pregnancy/Delivery medicals:  We have "very good" insurance, and it still cost about $9000 out of pocket when it was all said and done.  (I ended up having an emergency burst placenta vessel at 20 weeks, an emergency c-section, and post-birth complications that kept baby and me in the hospital for 10 days.  You might not have these issues, but I would budget at least $5000.)

Baby furniture (ie. crib, changing table, dresser drawers):  I'd budget $500-$1500 for this depending on what you're looking at buying. 

Breast Pump and feeding supplies:  pump will run about $300, bottles/nipples another $100 or so

Formula (if you go this route): $80/mo.

Baby Supplies (diapers, wipes):  If you cloth diaper, I'd set aside about $200-$300 for a set.  If you use disposable, $50/mo.

Toys, books, clothes:  You can get a lot used.  And little newborns don't need as many changes of clothes as older babies and toddlers and we received a lot of infant items from friends and family.  Still, I'd budget $20-40/mo.

Periodic Babysitting:  In addition to the everyday daycare, you will want some time away from the baby.  Unless you have a free babysitter (grandparent, sibling, friend), I would budget $40/mo for this.

I'd use these numbers, or something like it, when putting together an example budget.  You'll get a better idea of what you use and need once the baby arrives.

Wow, this is completely different from pretty much anything I would suggest money for.

Medical: with my emergency c-section and everything, all pregnancy/delivery medical bills were about 6k, I think.  We definitely reached the out of pocket max.

Baby furniture: my in-laws gifted us a cradle, which our daughter spent exactly 0 nights in because she flat-out refused to sleep anywhere but in someone's arms for her first 5-ish months.  We finally bought a mini-crib in July ($235--in-laws put down $150 for that, because they wanted to and I think they think we're either poor, or that we have their spending habits and need their help, or something) and we're transitioning our daughter into that now.  When she gets bigger, it can transform into a twin bed so we shouldn't need to buy her another bed.  (I see no need for "toddler beds".  Either use a mattress on the floor for a while or buy/make a barrier for a regular twin bed.  It's not rocket science.) 
And, no need for a changing table.  When I couldn't bend over after the c-section we used the dining table for a while.  It was so chaotic for us that we didn't miss the dining table's intended purpose.  Then we moved to the floor and now we're doing early potty training, which is AMAZING.  (Read "Diaper Free Before 3".)  Having her on the floor is especially nice since she flips herself over as soon as we've got the diaper off and tries to crawl away.  I can't imagine how freaked out I'd be if she were doing that on a changing table, up high.  She would not do well with being strapped down, either.

Breast pump: I said it before, look into how much your insurer will pay for one.  If you've got maternity care, they should pay for at least part of one.  I still had to pay about $80, but in part because I didn't go through their out-of-area "approved vendors" list.  I then spent a few bucks for a hand pump for at home, so I didn't have to cart the big one around with me.  And other than the bottles which came with it, we got one silicone bottle as a gift and it's her favorite.  It's wide-mouth so it's super easy to wash out, and that's the only bottle we really use.  No need for tons of them.
We did have to supplement with formula in the beginning, I think it was about $30/box of formula?  The key to breastfeeding, for me, was persistence.  I lost a lot of blood during the surgery and was severely anemic, so I just needed time for my blood supply to get back up so that my body would produce enough milk.  Having the number of a good lactation nurse was crucial.  Ours was free because our area has free public health/lactation nurses who will make house calls for the first year of a baby's life.  See if your area has something similar.  I got the number for ours from my OB as soon as I mentioned my desire to breastfeed.  Even if there's no free public health stuff in your area, your doc or pediatrician will know the number of a good and probably low-cost lactation nurse.  Again, see if your insurance will cover some of that cost.  If not, ask why not and point out all the reasons having you breastfeed will save them money in the long run.

Diapering: please at least look into cloth diapers.  Soooo many people will make it seem like a pain in the butt and many of them have never tried it.  It doesn't suck, I promise.  My husband was willing to do it for the cost savings but was wary.  After the first month he said, "I really don't see what the big deal is, or why people make it seem like it's going to be tough."  If you do want to cloth diaper, you can find low-cost used ones online, or ask around and see if someone's willing to give/sell you their old diapers.  A shit rag's a shit rag, doesn't matter if it's been used before.  :)  And with cloth diapers, you can cut up a soft rag to use as wipes and then toss them into the laundry with the diapers.  No need to buy wipes.

Toys, books, clothes: We've spent a grand total of $3.50 on clothing for our daughter, and she's in her 5th size of clothes.  The two items we bought (used) we just thought were cute.  Who needs to spend $20-40/month?  Ask friends and family, and get them to ask their friends and family.  At the very least you'll know someone who knows someone who wants to get rid of baby stuff.  And if you don't get everything you need, then look at used shops or online.  You can clothe a kid for less than $100 for the full first year.

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Re: Thinking of starting to try to have kids..
« Reply #14 on: August 04, 2014, 06:27:50 PM »
Grandma chiming in here.

Since you have time, look carefully during open enrollment at the plans offered if you get health insurance at work and have a choice of plans. Two healthy young adults have very different medical needs than a family to be.

Build up your emergency fund. You may want to take off the max time available through FLMA and your partner may wish to as well, and much of it may be unpaid leave.   

As far as stuff goes I don't buy much  stuff for my grandkids, they are already given so much by everyone else. I deposit into their 529's instead. I think that you will find that everyone wants to give you and buy you stuff.  My DIL has been given bins of stuff.  I do ask occasionally if they need anything and she rarely needs anything.

If anyone asks what you would like, a new car seat is a must.  Cribs now have fixed sides but buying a new one with a new mattress is not expensive. I got one for my house for under $300 and felt that was a small price to pay to keep them safe.  After they grew out of a crib they did the mattress on the floor ( not as far to fall) for a year or so.

Perhaps one thing you need to be prepared for is the amount of advice, good and bad, you will get. If you want to breast feed and are able to, do it for as long as you want. If you cannot, don't let others make you feel bad. If you want to let an infant sleep in a pack and play, OK. Cloth or disposable, you decide.

One old story, when my second child was an infant I was ill and needed medical treatment that I could not breast feed with the meds. One day I was at the grocery store buying formula with the baby in tow, and some woman made a comment on how awful formula was and I should be breastfeeding. Well I left the store crying. I would have loved to continue use breast feeding. Same son is now a healthy happy 35 YO,so I guess it was OK.  You need to do what you need to do to work, or be healthy or get some sleep, whatever it takes.
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« Reply #15 on: August 04, 2014, 07:32:49 PM »
Thank you so much everyone!!  I am not too worried about the medical costs, we have some good $$ saved up in our HSA.  When our open medical enrollment comes up again in Nov I will make sure to look at both plans and maybe go with the other plan with the FSA.  Will have to run the numbers. 

I looked into daycare numbers and it seems that infant care runs about $200/week.  Not too bad considering some of the costs I have seen posted here. 

We will definitely save up some cash for unexpected things.  I don't expect to buy much for the baby, have a feeling everyone I know will be giving us stuff.  Will budget for a car seat as I believe those should not be used.  As for cloth diapers... I would love the savings but it will most likely depend on what kind of daycare we end up with and whether they allow it or not. 

Thanks again everyone, keep the ideas coming!

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« Reply #16 on: August 05, 2014, 11:31:34 AM »
Maybe my budget is on the high side, but when I'm putting a hypothetical budget together I tend to put it at the reasonable but higher range. 

As for the monthly clothing/toy expense, I was including in there all the other stuff too, like baby carriers, or car seats, or strollers, and the like.  My budget is pretty reasonable in that regard.

As for furniture, I was able to get some used items at a good price (crib, cradle) but others I could not (changing table + drawers combo - and i definitely still use the changing table!) so YMMV.  It could also be that I live in a small city so there is not a lot of used stuff around.

For bottles, I was counting for the entire length of time that my son used bottles, which was a year and a half.  I was lucky to get a lot of the bottles and nipples for free from the hospital (because I was there so long!) but $100 over the course of the 18 months for feeding supplies sounds about right to me.

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« Reply #17 on: August 06, 2014, 01:35:40 PM »
There's an excellent store chain called Once Upon a Child that sells baby gear and clothes, I always check there before buying anything brand new for our baby. She's almost 1 year old and has never taken a bottle, so that was an expense we didn't need but couldn't have known. No daycare, she's at home with me all day, but is starting early preschool at 18 months (I work for myself as a freelance engineer while she sleeps). We received a lot as gifts, but if I were on my own and on a budget I'd say skip the expensive crib and just get a Pack and Play (you might end up bedsharing for a little while like many parents do during sleep regressions/growth spurts), and also invest in a good stroller plus an umbrella stroller. By good I don't mean the $500 BOB, I mean the $130 3-wheel version that comes with a carseat. And Walmart diapers, God bless them they save us a ton of money. We also repurposed an old smart phone into a baby monitor, it works amazing :-)

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« Reply #18 on: August 06, 2014, 02:03:06 PM »
This has been a really useful thread for me, so thanks everyone!

May I hijack slightly? What do you guys think about buying a carseat when we don't have and won't be getting a car? I think we would want one when we visited his parents, if for no other reason than that we can't easily get to their house from the airport/bus stop by foot/public transit. It might be useful when visiting mine (although they are more walk-friendly and metro-accessible). But it's hard for me to justify the expense and the storage space for something we'd only use a few times a year. Should I buy one and keep it at their house? Haha.

Will budget for a car seat as I believe those should not be used.
I have to say I had to read this sentence a few times before it made sense to me....I was thinking: Are there really still people who don't believe in car seats? And if she doesn't want one why is she going to buy one? LOL. Thanks for the giggle at my own stupidity when I finally figured it out. Totally agree with you, btw.

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« Reply #19 on: August 06, 2014, 05:11:04 PM »
Will budget for a car seat as I believe those should not be used.
I have to say I had to read this sentence a few times before it made sense to me....I was thinking: Are there really still people who don't believe in car seats? And if she doesn't want one why is she going to buy one? LOL. Thanks for the giggle at my own stupidity when I finally figured it out. Totally agree with you, btw.

Hahaha, I definitely could have phrased that better!  There are some things you shouldn't buy used, like a car seat!  haha, and go ahead and hijack away!  Interesting question about a car seat when you don't have a car, sounds like something like belongs in the mustachian problems thread!

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What do you guys think about buying a carseat when we don't have and won't be getting a car? I think we would want one when we visited his parents, if for no other reason than that we can't easily get to their house from the airport/bus stop by foot/public transit. It might be useful when visiting mine (although they are more walk-friendly and metro-accessible). But it's hard for me to justify the expense and the storage space for something we'd only use a few times a year. Should I buy one and keep it at their house? Haha.

Yup! If your in-laws are anything like mine they'll be determined to buy stuff! So this might be something useful they can pick out? Only if they ask for ideas of course. And by all means suggest leaving it at their house, since I assume it will be used to pick you up from wherever? Dragging a carseat through an airport or bus station sucks. For air travel check out the CARES FAA approved harness once the baby is older, it is amazing.

We have duplicates of basic things at both in-laws that magically appeared and it does make trips easier. My parents bought used, his bought new, in the end it all works.

The carseat should take into consideration the type of car and how much space will be left for everyone else. I wouldn't bother with the infant carrier style unless you'll be using it a lot in the first few months. The convertible ones will last for years until booster seat age and prices aren't so outrageous with that in mind.

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« Reply #21 on: August 07, 2014, 08:04:16 AM »
What do you guys think about buying a carseat when we don't have and won't be getting a car? I think we would want one when we visited his parents, if for no other reason than that we can't easily get to their house from the airport/bus stop by foot/public transit. It might be useful when visiting mine (although they are more walk-friendly and metro-accessible). But it's hard for me to justify the expense and the storage space for something we'd only use a few times a year. Should I buy one and keep it at their house? Haha.

Yup! If your in-laws are anything like mine they'll be determined to buy stuff! So this might be something useful they can pick out? Only if they ask for ideas of course. And by all means suggest leaving it at their house, since I assume it will be used to pick you up from wherever? Dragging a carseat through an airport or bus station sucks. For air travel check out the CARES FAA approved harness once the baby is older, it is amazing.

We have duplicates of basic things at both in-laws that magically appeared and it does make trips easier. My parents bought used, his bought new, in the end it all works.

The carseat should take into consideration the type of car and how much space will be left for everyone else. I wouldn't bother with the infant carrier style unless you'll be using it a lot in the first few months. The convertible ones will last for years until booster seat age and prices aren't so outrageous with that in mind.

Ugh, I have been thinking about this and I think we are definitely going to need one. My friend pointed out that I if I ever make friends with someone who has a car and offers me a ride, we'll need a seat. And I think we will need one even at my parents', because I just realized that my grandparents are driving-only distance from them. So I might just get one and drag it around with me (by which I mean make my husband carry it. LOL). Thanks for the tip on convertibles--it looks like the Walmart convertibles are pretty small and light and only cost about $50.

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« Reply #22 on: August 07, 2014, 08:28:26 AM »
... I wouldn't bother with the infant carrier style unless you'll be using it a lot in the first few months. The convertible ones will last for years until booster seat age and prices aren't so outrageous with that in mind.

However, when I had my son they wouldn't let us out of the hospital unless we showed them we had an infant car seat capable of carrying the baby!  I don't know if that's a nationwide thing or what.

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« Reply #23 on: August 07, 2014, 11:31:35 AM »
Our son is year old now so we have a pretty good handle on what is necessary/not.  However with babies you never know, some things work for some, but not for others.  The best thing you can do is meet other moms with babies the same age.  We did a prenatal class and met 2 other moms/dads that we are best friends with now.  It makes all the difference in the world to have someone you can relate to who is also raising their first baby at the same stage as you.

In terms of gear:
carseat (if you drive) or stroller (if you walk) or bike trailer (if you bike)
crib with mattress and 2 sheets
cloth diapers (at least 12)
feeding chair (we have a highchair seat that straps on to a chair - great for travel)

Most other things you can borrow and then return to the owner once the baby is out of that stage.


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« Reply #24 on: August 07, 2014, 11:35:42 AM »
... I wouldn't bother with the infant carrier style unless you'll be using it a lot in the first few months. The convertible ones will last for years until booster seat age and prices aren't so outrageous with that in mind.

However, when I had my son they wouldn't let us out of the hospital unless we showed them we had an infant car seat capable of carrying the baby!  I don't know if that's a nationwide thing or what.

We had to have a carseat (and they helped my husband ensure that it was installed correctly) but they were fine with us having a convertible one with the infant insert.
I'm sure if we'd been in walking distance they would have let us do that without checking the car seat, though they might not have let us walk that day since it was -35F.  :)


As for furniture, I was able to get some used items at a good price (crib, cradle) but others I could not (changing table + drawers combo - and i definitely still use the changing table!) so YMMV.  It could also be that I live in a small city so there is not a lot of used stuff around.


Lol, I live in a small and rather remote city as well.  I kind of figured that if I was able to find enough used items here (where a lot of people use stuff until it dies simply because of the high cost of shipping in new goods, so not a huge supply of used items) then it would be broadly applicable.

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« Reply #25 on: August 07, 2014, 11:53:41 AM »
Thank you so much everyone!!  I am not too worried about the medical costs, we have some good $$ saved up in our HSA.  When our open medical enrollment comes up again in Nov I will make sure to look at both plans and maybe go with the other plan with the FSA.  Will have to run the numbers. 

I looked into daycare numbers and it seems that infant care runs about $200/week.  Not too bad considering some of the costs I have seen posted here. 

We will definitely save up some cash for unexpected things.  I don't expect to buy much for the baby, have a feeling everyone I know will be giving us stuff.  Will budget for a car seat as I believe those should not be used.  As for cloth diapers... I would love the savings but it will most likely depend on what kind of daycare we end up with and whether they allow it or not. 

Thanks again everyone, keep the ideas coming!
We do cloth at night and on weekends and disposables during the week (at daycare).

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« Reply #26 on: August 08, 2014, 03:53:06 PM »
Don't buy too much ahead of time, definitely.  Pick some basics, make a registry, wait on anything that isn't immediately useful.  People love to buy/give away baby stuff.  Even if you plan to breastfeed, you can register with Enfamil and Similac and they'll send you formula samples.  I ended up with 5 or 6 canisters, some nursettes, and some single-serve packets.  I breastfed both of mine but kept the formula around just in case because I could never get ahead on pumping.  If someone was watching kiddo while I was gone all day and something happened to the milk I'd left, there was something readily available to feed them.  The unopened containers I donated to a food bank.  Once we started seriously supplementing, we ordered the formula through Amazon S&S.         

Regardless of your opinions on bed-sharing, I think some type of bassinet or crib is important.  Something you can move around the house is great, but it's really nice to have a safe space to set the baby down.  I wasn't comfortable with bed-sharing, so I bought an Arm's reach co-sleeper, and used the heck out of it.  It functioned as a bassinet, and you could also put up the 4th side and use it as a travel crib.  Both of mine slept in there until they were about 6 mos, and then moved out to the crib.  We bought an IKEA crib that converted to a toddler bed.  Used it for child 1, moved child 1 to a twin mattress on the floor at 18 mos, used it for child 2, and then converted to a toddler bed for child 2.  He'll use it until he outgrows it. 

A messenger bag or backpack makes a great diaper bag, and you probably have one floating around.  I do love my Summer Infant travel change kit, much better than the more expensive one that was given to me.  Most of the time with a small baby I stuck that, a clean onesie, and a muslin blanket in my purse and skipped the diaper bag entirely.  Muslin swaddling blankets are awesome, BTW.  I consider those a must-have.  I used them as nursing covers, shade covers in the carseat or stroller, blanket on the floor, summer swaddling, and extra light cover, and even a couple times folded up as a cloth diaper.         

We loved our basic cheap bouncy seat for both kids, but you can get those for $10 or less used.  Child 1 loved being in a Moby wrap or ring sling, child 2 did not, though he tolerated the Ergo.  Child 2 has always, even from tiny infancy, preferred facing forward in a stroller.  Strollers are another thing that you can find cheaply used.  I don't think they're a must have for everyone, but I like having them.   

For carseats, I wouldn't buy used, but you may have friends or family that you trust giving away an infant seat.  Ours was used for 2 kids and still didn't expire for 2 more years.  I knew it had been properly treated and never in an accident, so I gave it to a co-worker who was on a very tight budget.

Cloth diapers are worth trying.  I really liked them until we had 2 in cloth, one of whom had GI issues.  My husband was at sea at that point, and I was overwhelmed with working, classes, kids and handling all home stuff.  The diapers had to give.  It is entirely possible to spend more money on cloth diapers than on disposable though, if you like the really cute handmade ones, so beware if you go that route.

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« Reply #27 on: August 09, 2014, 12:35:31 PM »
You have received a lot of great advice, I would agree with buying as little as possible, putting a ton of research into car seats and if you have any questions about cloth diapers, I am happy to help. I have cloth diapered for 7 years and taught classes on them for a few years.

Babies actually need very very little, a new car seat, to be fed (breast or bottle) and to be clean (diapers, cloth or spouses) Pretty much anything after that is up to the individual parent.

Use Facebook to ask if anyone has an extra ________  It works great, I have given away a lot just knowing their was a need and knowing I could fill it, I just ask them to pass it on to the next person when they are done.
 

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« Reply #28 on: August 09, 2014, 12:57:03 PM »
As for specific line items in the budget-

Pregnancy/Delivery medicals:  We have "very good" insurance, and it still cost about $9000 out of pocket when it was all said and done.  (I ended up having an emergency burst placenta vessel at 20 weeks, an emergency c-section, and post-birth complications that kept baby and me in the hospital for 10 days.  You might not have these issues, but I would budget at least $5000.)

Baby furniture (ie. crib, changing table, dresser drawers):  I'd budget $500-$1500 for this depending on what you're looking at buying. 

Breast Pump and feeding supplies:  pump will run about $300, bottles/nipples another $100 or so

Formula (if you go this route): $80/mo.

Baby Supplies (diapers, wipes):  If you cloth diaper, I'd set aside about $200-$300 for a set.  If you use disposable, $50/mo.

Toys, books, clothes:  You can get a lot used.  And little newborns don't need as many changes of clothes as older babies and toddlers and we received a lot of infant items from friends and family.  Still, I'd budget $20-40/mo.

Periodic Babysitting:  In addition to the everyday daycare, you will want some time away from the baby.  Unless you have a free babysitter (grandparent, sibling, friend), I would budget $40/mo for this.

I'd use these numbers, or something like it, when putting together an example budget.  You'll get a better idea of what you use and need once the baby arrives.

I second this budget! What I wish I'd known when I was pregnant is that you can get a lot of the infant gear for up to 70% off by shopping at semi-annual consignment sales. They pop up in Spring and Fall for a weekend, and you will find a shitton of lightly used gear there. I used www.consignmentmommies.com to find the sales near me. The infant stuff is great at these sales because people usually buy it new and don't use it for more than 6 months.

The only things I wouldn't buy used are:
Crib
Mattress
Carseat

It's hard to find furniture at the consignment sales, but if you volunteer and get into the pre-sale, you'll have the best chance of getting good furniture.

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« Reply #29 on: August 09, 2014, 05:55:59 PM »
For baby 1 I had fewer things than average: crib (free from family), $150 of cloth diapers, $40 breast pump (manual, but worked great) changing pad, clothes and blankets (free hand-me-downs), a swing (gift), car seat (free from craigslist), plus some odds and ends like disposables, wipes, baby soap. I think that I spent about $200 on baby stuff. Still, I had too much. I never used the crib... didn't use changing pad, since it was easier to change on the floor- because that is where he was... used the swing twice maybe... I probably used a tablespoon of baby soap in the first year- mostly just cleaned with water.

I gave away the crib, changing pad, and swing.

For the second one I didn't buy anything, except an outfit or two and a few disposables.

It is possible to spend very little. I would budget $200 for getting ready for baby- just whatever odds and ends you can't get for free.

I then spend about $20/month on disposable diapers for the first 2 years. For the second year you also need some milk and food, but feeding such a little one is inexpensive for a while.

I would do elimination communication so they are easily out of diapers by 2. Then, food becomes a bit more expensive, but maybe $100/month max- good quality.

Also, breastfeed as long as possible to save money on milk. I went to 2.5. (Also, because it is healthy and the hormones make me feel good.)

We've bought the occasional toy and paid for the occasional activity, but really kids can be very inexpensive... if you don't need childcare.

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« Reply #30 on: August 09, 2014, 06:06:09 PM »
Look for baby/child clothing swaps!  A church nearby has one and people drop off garbage bags full of perfectly great baby clothes.  You have to dig a little, but I have gotten so many cute things there, and between that and relatives and friends gifting us with clothes, we've probably spent under $100 on clothes total since our 1.5 year old was born. 

Ikea makes a great super simple high chair and it cost $20!  We love it, easy to transport, easy to clean.  So minimalist looking.  http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/categories/departments/childrens_ikea/18715/

I am just starting to wean my daughter but we breast fed, and mostly cloth diapered.  Make your own baby food - its fun and better nutrition anyway.

We haven't spent much money at all on having a baby.  We are also lucky to have friends and relatives who listen to what we need and don't buy us stupid crap like wipe warmers.

Note:  Don't buy stupid crap like wipe warmers. 


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« Reply #31 on: August 09, 2014, 06:27:43 PM »
http://www.squawkfox.com/2012/10/05/newborn-essentials-checklist/

We spend very little on clothing - always get hand-me-downs from friends and acquaintances, and pass on when done.

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« Reply #32 on: August 11, 2014, 11:45:00 AM »
http://www.squawkfox.com/2012/10/05/newborn-essentials-checklist/

We spend very little on clothing - always get hand-me-downs from friends and acquaintances, and pass on when done.

Ooh, good checklist!  We didn't use scratch mittens with my daughter because the few times we tried, she managed to get them off her hands.  We much preferred sleepers with the built-in hand covers.

Also, it mentions getting a snow suit for winter babies.  They're great, I had three (different sizes) and used all of them.  But it doesn't mention that they can't be worn in the car seat.  We didn't know this until one of the nurses told us at the hospital, when she asked what we'd be taking baby home in.  (It was -35F, so a rather big concern to keep her warm.)  They don't safety test car seats with snow suits, so just FYI.

And I forgot about bathing!  We've got some Aveeno baby wash (love it) but we've only used about 1/2 the bottle in 8 1/2 months.  So a little goes a long way.  And as for what we washed her in, we already had a plastic dish tub (the $2 kind) kicking around so we bathed her in that in the kitchen sink until she got too big, then I bathed with her until she could sit up well enough on her own/was moving around at about 7 1/2 months.  Now I just put a couple of inches of water in the bottom of the tub, enough to float the bath toys but not enough that she can really stick her face in it, which she doesn't want to do anyway.

A nursing pillow really did help.  A friend was horrified that I didn't have one so she gifted one to me and I was amazed at how much easier things were.  It positioned the baby well enough that she only needed minimal holding from me so that suddenly I could do things like eat or drink water while nursing her.  I also read aloud to her while she was eating, especially in the early days when she ate all the time and took so long each time she ate.  I didn't read baby books, just read aloud my books.  It was better than movies because we got to bond more (babies love the sound of mommy's voice), it was relaxing for me, and honestly I would forget about turning on a movie or something until we'd already sat down and she was latched on.  Much easier just to keep a book by the rocking chair for entertainment.

And a swaddle blanket was an absolute must have for us, but some babies hate them so YMMV.

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« Reply #33 on: August 12, 2014, 12:33:07 PM »
Also, breastfeed as long as possible to save money on milk. I went to 2.5. (Also, because it is healthy and the hormones make me feel good.)


Heard that! Still nursing and baby turns 1 next week, my personal goal is to nurse until she's potty trained. It saves a ton of money and breastmilk is THE BEST diaper rash ointment, so I always want to have it available if she's wearing diapers.

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« Reply #34 on: August 12, 2014, 01:55:11 PM »
Also, breastfeed as long as possible to save money on milk. I went to 2.5. (Also, because it is healthy and the hormones make me feel good.)


Heard that! Still nursing and baby turns 1 next week, my personal goal is to nurse until she's potty trained. It saves a ton of money and breastmilk is THE BEST diaper rash ointment, so I always want to have it available if she's wearing diapers.
But don't be hard on yourself if it does not work.  I under produced so we had to buy some formula.  I was producing about half of what she needed.  And the hormones were not good for me.  Once I stopped nursing my PPD anxiety went away in a snap!

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« Reply #35 on: August 15, 2014, 07:40:10 PM »
The biggest thing is that you decide, right now, that no matter WHAT you need you will get it used.  Let the grand parents buy all the new stuff.  And most of the stuff you buy you end up not needing or using anyway (we didn't realize this until the 2nd one, though).

I will say the biggest thing we wished we had planned better for was how poor my health was after kid #2 (not sure why I was fine with kid #1).  I was sick with either allergies, sinus infections, stomach bugs, pneumonia, etc. that I was off from work at least several days a month.  Eventually I used up all my sick time and just went on leave without pay.  So you want a comfy emergency fund and contingency fund for anything unplanned.

Alternately, I was fine with kid #1, but got awfully tired the first six months or so after delivery.  I would say a 6 hour day would've been much better for me than an 8.  Also, kid #1 was sick a bunch!  So we were taking off work for that a lot as well (but at least we split the leave between two of us).  I think somebody in the family being sick is a reality if your kid is in public daycare.  If you get someone to watch the kid at home you'll probably be less germ-y, but if you are run down you'll still get sick anyway.  I also nursed both kids, so that could contribute to not be 100% energy wise.

On a side note, both my DH and I are engineers and neither of us had any desire to stay at home with babies.  Now that they're a bit older, they're much more fun and I'm seriously thinking about cutting back hours (still don't want to quit, though).

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« Reply #36 on: August 16, 2014, 08:17:01 AM »
A. Engineer- I agree with you about the babies being more fun when they're older!  When my son was a wee baby, he was lovely and great but... didn't have a lot going on otherwise.  :)  How that he's two, it's much more fun to take him to the playground or the library or some other event where he can actually enjoy himself.


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« Reply #37 on: August 16, 2014, 08:52:51 AM »
My husband and I are engineers and expecting a baby in October. We ran through a couple of scenarios and are planning to work as long as possible but are also flexible to change/quit jobs. It just makes sense to do so for the short term since babies and kids are so little only once and if they need our help, there is nothing wrong in postponing FIRE for a few years. Our emergency fund and FU money has made it easy for us to be flexible. So have a healthy emergency fund before baby is here.