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Teaching work ethic - how do you do it?
« on: September 08, 2016, 01:47:20 PM »
If we retire early, what are some alternative tactics to teaching our children a good work ethic other than actually showing them that we go to work everyday?

First, I'm not retired yet so it's not a problem so far (wish it were)! Second, this is not a huge worry of mine, I'm simply curious enough to discuss it. So please don't post an unhelpful response that I'm overthinking this non-issue.

Times have changed since I (thankfully) learned a good work ethic from my parents. They took me to their jobs when I had sick days and they showed me what they were working on (dad worked on digitally modeling lungs for optimal meds delivery and mom worked on giant laser in her physics lab. cool!). But now that the majority of my work takes place behind a featureless computer (I'm a UX designer) I'm not sure if teaching work ethic is as simple anymore. Plus, if I retire as planned in about 8 years kiddo will see me playing all day while he's in school. Not fair! :)

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Re: Teaching work ethic - how do you do it?
« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2016, 03:36:06 PM »
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Instead of leading by example, maybe you can coach them
I'd guess that you can substitute any skill you want for "work" and it still accomplishes the goal of showing that hard work pays off.
i.e. piano, soccer, math, etc

i will show this talk to my kids and we'll have a discussion about how to apply it to their life.
https://www.ted.com/talks/angela_lee_duckworth_grit_the_power_of_passion_and_perseverance

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Re: Teaching work ethic - how do you do it?
« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2016, 04:45:23 PM »
Studying music was great for helping my kids develop a work ethic.  If you want to be good at playing an instrument, you have to practice.

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Re: Teaching work ethic - how do you do it?
« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2016, 05:15:54 PM »
By the time your kids have a job, their work ethic will already be set. Going to work and being gone isn't the same as having a work ethic.

Have them do chores. A work ethic is basically understanding that effort results in personal benefit. And perhaps more importantly, lack of effort results in negative consequences.

You can teach this in  many ways without a "real" job. Chores, gardening, cleaning, organizing, are all ways you can teach your kids to have a work ethic.


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Re: Teaching work ethic - how do you do it?
« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2016, 05:48:06 PM »
By the time your kids have a job, their work ethic will already be set. Going to work and being gone isn't the same as having a work ethic.

Have them do chores. A work ethic is basically understanding that effort results in personal benefit. And perhaps more importantly, lack of effort results in negative consequences.

You can teach this in  many ways without a "real" job. Chores, gardening, cleaning, organizing, are all ways you can teach your kids to have a work ethic.

I'd say hobbies/maintenance are the biggest avenues. Helping re-roof a house for instance will definitely instill an appreciation for how much effort life takes. I believe manual labor (to a degree) does a much better job of instilling it than mental tasks. Perhaps that's just me, but kids are also chaotic minded, so physical tasks without distractions tend to keep them more focused in my opinion.  Also, the nature of a lot of physical tasks is such that you have to finish it in a reasonable timeframe. There's often less option to leave something half finished (the aforementioned roof being a good example).

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Re: Teaching work ethic - how do you do it?
« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2016, 01:27:25 AM »
BDWW is spot on.

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Re: Teaching work ethic - how do you do it?
« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2016, 11:48:56 AM »
I'm struggling with this as well, because I'd like to eventually become a SAHM, but I'd also like to model being a woman working in a demanding technical field.  I'm really torn.

I do think that teaching household chores is a good way to introduce this, and my personal philosophy is that there are a certain set of chores that must be done just because you are a member of the family; ie chores that are not tied to rewards or an allowance.

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Re: Teaching work ethic - how do you do it?
« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2016, 02:29:11 PM »
We work hard with our oldest using one question: Do you have time to do it right or time to do it over?

That has helped him learn to take time for tasks that require a little more precision (handwriting for him as he is only 6). But this also applies to chores. We think having pride in your effort and outcome is the first step to creating someone that wants to work and understands the value of hard work.

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« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2016, 10:21:51 AM »
My parents considered school to be my job. And told me so, regularly. IE - will that activity interfere with school or homework? If yes, then no, I didn't do it unless there was a very good reason.

I was also expected to put my best effort in. Poor effort = punishment of some sort (a valid reason could excuse you of course, they were very reasonable about it). In general, my best effort would equate to an A grade, so if I didn't get an A I'd get questioned. But it was more, was that really your best effort?

There was one memorable class that my BEST best effort resulted in a B-. My parents were so proud of me for that - I'd accidentally taken a math class a couple levels higher than I had been before. I was getting extra help a couple times a week, always did my homework on time, paid attention in class & asked questions, etc. I think I got cupcakes after that.

Of course, the year I forgot about a science project until the morning of and got a C on it (I managed to scrape together enough pieces), I got grounded for a week, plus I think they made me re-do the project and turn it into them. I got better at keeping track of things after that.

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Re: Teaching work ethic - how do you do it?
« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2016, 07:51:46 PM »
Modeling is part of it too. If they see you working hard and taking pride in your work, that helps. We also have a policy of not letting them stay home from school for anything other than legitimate illness or family emergency. No "mental health days" because you feel like sleeping in, not for anybody in the family.

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Re: Teaching work ethic - how do you do it?
« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2016, 02:19:46 PM »
We work hard with our oldest using one question: Do you have time to do it right or time to do it over?

Initially we had to really work with DS on this. He would rush through homework & chores just to get it over with, only it was unreadable, incomplete, or incorrect. Not accepting this is crucial.

Later on when he had projects to manage, meaning a due date more than a week away & involving more than daily homework, we encouraged him to start & finish it earlier than the assignment required. He could then do something fun if it presented itself. This also saved him if he got sick or the project took longer than he expected. He routinely does this today (age 22) & has little tolerance for others who do not manage time or pull their own weight in team situations.

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Re: Teaching work ethic - how do you do it?
« Reply #11 on: October 10, 2016, 02:28:55 AM »
POsting to follow. Great insights all around.

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Re: Teaching work ethic - how do you do it?
« Reply #12 on: October 11, 2016, 10:45:04 AM »
I picked up a copy of Grit at the library recently.
It's a quick and enjoyable read.

Duckworth writes that she is asked daily what parents can do to improve grit in their kids.
As a scientist, she refuses to prescribe solutions in her book as she believes much of it is still TBD.
But she does share some of the practices she follows for her own daughters.

- talk about grit, deliberate practice, etc
  often enough that the kids ask her to stop talking about grit =/
- Every family member has to pick One Hard Thing to work on.
  It can be career related, but it doesn't have to be.
  i.e. training for a marathon
- Once you start an extra curricular activity, you can't quit mid-season.
  You have to wait until you cross the finish line, semester, or other natural end point.
- Each kid has to pick one extra curricular to focus on for at least two years during high school
  ie you can't change your activity every year for the novelty factor


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Re: Teaching work ethic - how do you do it?
« Reply #13 on: October 13, 2016, 09:19:53 AM »
I think a good work ethic comes from a combination of fear, desire, and expectations (not necessarily in that order).  Everyone is a little different, but I will try to give some examples below.

As far as expectations are concerned - look at something like school grades.  Make good grades be the expectation, don't celebrate it like it is some great accomplishment unless it really is.  I know I didn't celebrate high school graduation and I didn't even get out of bed for my undergad degree ceremony - it was something that was expected.  My reward was that I could keep living a pretty good life and have a leg up on those that didn't do those things. 

When it comes to desire - goals are great motivators.  At a certain age in sports, the good kids will play, the not so good kids won't.  If you want to play, most will have to work at it.  If there is an aspiration for a certain degree, profession, etc.  Cultivate that.  Make them want it and understand what it takes to reach that goal. 

Fear - This really pushed me from a professional standpoint.  While I had friends that would get summer jobs at a country club, a pool, etc., I worked on a roofing crew, installing large appliances, as a lube tech at a garage.  I was treated like crap, worked hard in poor conditions, and took home very little pay at the end of the week.  My father was honest about our lifestyle and what it took to live the way we did (which was very well).  I knew from then on how I didn't want to live and had to figure out how to work harder and smarter than everyone else.

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Re: Teaching work ethic - how do you do it?
« Reply #14 on: October 18, 2016, 07:33:38 AM »
Street cred: 7 kids here, ages 2-18. Oldest is hard-working productive member of society.

That said...

Don't give them everything. Make them work for extras. I provide food, clothing and shelter, but eldest bought his own car and pays his own insurance. I do not buy electronic gadgets, EVER. My 10 year old worked for her grandma cleaning to earn the money for her iPod, ditto for the older ones who bought cell phones. Even the 15 year old pays his own phone bill (he's an eBay seller, has been for 5 years).

Chores are essential for anyone who lives in a space. Non-negotiable: keep your room and any bathroom you use clean, do your own laundry if you're over 10. Then you help with communal stuff because you also shed dead skin cells and eat on plates. Even a 2 year old can pick up toys and toss them into a basket or "wipe" (sorta) up spilled food.

Read (and assign reading) books about personal finance. Mine have all read Dave Ramsey's books and we also enjoy Life of Fred (a quirky homeschool math curriculum) Personal Finance.

Some kids are a bit lazier than others and need more convincing/motivation, but with enough good example and practice they'll see the light.


 

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