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Reusing previously owned breast pump
« on: October 21, 2015, 10:16:12 AM »
My blog is mostly defunct but here's a post I wrote a few years ago regarding how we safely used a gifted used Medela pump.  I thought it might be of interest here.

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Here’s not a topic you’ll see on many tech blogs.  How to safely reuse a used breast pump.

Obligatory Disclaimer:  I am not a doctor nor breast pump engineer.  Do not rely on this article for medical advice.  I am only describing what we choose to do.  For the impatient, skip to the last section.

We’re expecting a new baby and madly scrambling to get everything together for the event.  You’d think with two kids already we might have our act together but its been six years and we gave away or tossed most of our baby stuff.

One item, our Ameda Purely Yours Breast Pump, had died.  We bought it because it was one of the few pumps listed as reusable…alas, made out of plastic it was not to be.

A friend very kindly offered their Medela Pump-In-Style pump to us which is really awesome since electric breast pumps aren’t cheap.  But if you google you end up reading very dire warnings about reusing breast pumps.  Some of these warnings are well intentioned from other parents.  Some of these warnings are a bit self serving from companies.

Here’s the FDA warning provided in many baby forums:

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Only FDA cleared, hospital-grade pumps should be used by more than one person. With the exception of hospital-grade pumps, the FDA considers breast pumps single-use devices. That means that a breast pump should only be used by one woman because there is no way to guarantee the pump can be cleaned and disinfected between uses by different women.

The money you may save by buying a used pump is not worth the health risks to you or your baby. Breast pumps that are reused by different mothers can carry infectious diseases, such as HIV or hepatitis.

Buying a used breast pump or sharing a breast pump may be a violation of the manufacturer’s warranty and you may not be able to get help from the manufacturer if you have a problem with the pump.

OMG! HIV OR HEPATITIS! Most sane parents stop considering used pumps right there. Me, I kept googling. A reporter at U-T San Diego looked into this and it turns out that it’s not quite that clear cut.

First, there are no such things as “hospital-grade” pumps as certified by the FDA.  The FDA also doesn’t certify any breast pump for reuse.  The FDA spokesperson Karen Riley had this to say:

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“If a breast pump has a separate breast cover and tubing, then it can be reused once cleaned,” she said, “but the pumps are not labeled as such.

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“We have allowed breast pumps that clearly separate (no possible contact of breast milk with the pump mechanism) to be marketed as reusable with appropriate instructions for cleaning and disinfection,” Riley said.

So as the article states…pretty much the manufacturer decides whether or not to market their breast pumps as reusable and how easy they make to disinfect.

Gee, I wonder if it is in Medela’s interest to sell everyone a new $300 pump or let folks reuse perfectly good used pumps.

So, can you safely reuse a Medela pump?  You can replace all the external tubing (we bought ours from Amazon) and disinfect the front face plate but according to Medela there’s a diaphragm which cannot be adequately disinfected.

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The Medela Pump In Style® Breastpump has an internal diaphragm that cannot be removed, replaced, or fully sterilized. Therefore, the risk of cross-contamination associated with re-using a previously owned pump such as the Pump In Style cannot be totally dismissed. Multiple use of single-user breastpump automatically voids the warranty of the Medela product. Each mother who wishes to express milk with a pump should use a clean, uncontaminated breastpump. This is the safest way to eliminate any risk of cross-contamination.

This is sort of true.  It used to be that you could buy a replacement internal diaphragm from resellers.  Today, these are all listed as discontinued and to contact Medela.  I’m guessing they aren’t likely to sell you one for your used pump.  So can you disinfect it enough to be safe?  They sure don’t want you to think so.

Here’s the solution we started with:

First question is there any access to the “internal” diaphragm.  Actually yes.  Just pop off the front plate which you need to do to sterilize it anyway.  Here’s a nice tear down of an older pump in style.  The 2008 model we have is largely the same although the face plate was redesigned.  The diaphragm looks like this (from Robb’s posting):



It’s not hard to disassemble the Medela breast pump.  On the one we borrowed it’s held in via velcro.  And unlike the Ameda it’s not glued plastic but a sturdy metal frame.  One screw later and you can see the guts.  The only somewhat tricky part is accessing the pins for the second plastic face plate that holds the diaphragm in place.

Once you get this far you realize that Medela could have made this a fairly painless thing to do.  You also realize that this $300 breast pump consists of about $30 worth of parts and that’s being generous.

Now Robb just used alcohol wipes…which turns out isn’t quite enough to kill Hepatitis C viruses.  I found this article regarding disinfecting Goldmann tonometers.

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Hepatitis C virus was placed on Goldmann tonometer tips, air dried, and then disinfected by dry gauze wipes, isopropyl alcohol wipes, cold water washes, povidone iodine 10% wipes, and hydrogen peroxide or isopropyl alcohol soaks followed by a cold water wash and dry.

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Percentage of hepatitis C virus RNA remaining after disinfection: dry gauze wipes 95.65%, isopropyl alcohol 5-second wipes 88.91%, cold water wash 4.78%, povidone iodine 10% 5-second wipes 0.72%, hydrogen peroxide soak with cold water wash 0.07%, and isopropyl alcohol soak and cold water wash 0.02%.

89% of Hepatitis C virus RNA left after 5 second Isopropyl wipes isn’t so good.  It probably means some are still active.  What I did was to pull the pump unit out so I could set it on it’s back on a flat surface.  Then I filled the concave diaphragm with 70% isopropyl alcohol and left it for 5 minutes and then carefully dumped it out with soaking the motor.  I wiped down the edges with more alcohol and finally took tissue, saturated it with alcohol, and left it across the diaphragm for 5 minutes.  A lot of this was random experimentation to figure out an adequate way to “soak” without taking the assembly apart and actually soaking.

Replicating the cold water wash was pretty much impossible without risking the electronics board, again because I wasn’t willing to pop the diaphragm out of the pump.  I wasn’t really sure I could actually reassemble it.  So I wiped it several times with a wet cloth.  If there were any hepatitis virus (which I doubt) contamination on the surface it was probably down below 1% at this point.

Given that I didn’t believe there was anything wrong in the first place and I repeatedly soaked and wiped the surface with alcohol (wasn’t going to risk iodine) I would have gone with this as a 99%+ safe solution.

As for HIV and herpes and other viruses it seems they are less hardy than Hepatitis. Wiping with an isopropyl alcohol swab and then allowing the alcohol to evaporate seems to “inactivate” these viruses.

If you are using any Medela pump (new or used), I recommend wiping down the diaphragm regularly with an alcohol swab, let evaporate and then wipe down with water anyway.  Milk CAN get in there and you can get mold growth on the surface.  That’s pretty nasty and a complaint you see on Amazon.

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99%+ safe isn’t actually 100% safe. Even assuming I got any viral contamination down to 0.02% some parents are still likely unwilling to take the risk.  Given that I wasn’t able to do the full cold water rinse it’s probably not that low anyway.

Remember that I said we have a broken Ameda Purely Yours breast pump?

The reason this kind of pump can be safely reused is because it’s a fully “closed” system.  Meaning the part that touches milk is fully contained in the replaceable breast shield.  You can never get milk into the pump portion and there’s no air exchange between the two sections.  What happens is that the pump creates suction which collapses a diaphragm inside the breast shield assembly…creating localized suction within the shield.  The only parts that milk can touch are the fully sterilizable or replaceable parts.

Ameda claims:

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The HygieniKit is the only milk collection system approved by the FDA to protect against cross contamination. It also safeguards the purity of expressed milk from bacteria and viruses by keeping milk and outside air separate from one another.

The Medela pump generates the same amount or more suction than our broken Purely Yours did.  The tubing is same size so I plugged the Ameda kit into the Medela pump.  The external diaphragm in the Ameda breast shield collapses just fine despite some minor leakage and the combo probably works better than the original Ameda pump (don’t ask how this was tested).  Certainly better than when it was half working.

As far as I can tell (remember disclaimers above) this is a 100% safe solution regardless of how contaminated the diaphragm is on the Medela.  There’s simply no contact with the air used for suction.  Milk can never get in the tubing nor ever touch any part of the Medela pump.

You can buy the Ameda parts from Amazon.  I believe that the full replacement kit should work and even comes with a one-hand-manual pump as a bonus.  I’m not sure since we already have all the parts I need.  I may buy it anyway since our kit is 6 years old and a little worn anyway.  If I do, I’ll report what I find.

This technique should be able to work with any breast pump that uses similarly sized tubing for suction.

Important note:

This worked on the Medela Pump-In-Style 2008 bag model because the Ameda tubes fit tightly into the front face plate.  The Medela tubes are harder than the Ameda ones but the same size.  Newer Medela models have a different face plate but the replacement Medela tubes I purchased fit all of Pump-In-Style ones but the only model I tested (because it’s the only one I have access to) is the 2008 model.

The price at the time of writing for the replacement Ameda kit is $46 from Amazon.  Because these components are single user use they are not returnable if opened.  If it doesn’t work with your used pump you will be out the price of the kit although you can still use it as a manual pump.

Also, since my wife isn’t pumping yet it may be that the Medela kit simply works better than the Ameda kit.  Medela is a popular brand for a reason.  One, they seem to be built better.  Second, they may simply work better.

If that’s the case, we’ll likely go with just using the Medela tubing and breast shields since I already bought all the parts and opened them (again, single user).  For me, I’m reasonably certain I did enough to kill anything that might have been on that diaphragm.

Also consider, as stated by Medela, if you are reusing someone else’s pump the warranty is automatically void.

Links (Active on Jan 2012)

http://www.fda.gov/medicaldevices/productsandmedicalprocedures/homehealthandconsumer/consumerproducts/breastpumps/ucm061939.htm#4

Why does the FDA tell consumers that breast pumps can’t be reused? | UTSanDiego.com.

Can you reuse a breast pump safely? What is Medela hiding? | Medical Noise.

Are used breast pumps a no-no?

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Re: Reusing previously owned breast pump
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2015, 10:22:58 AM »
A good friend gave me hers, which she had used about 12 years before.  I am absolutely certain she is not hiding HIV or hepatitis from me.  I wonder if the germs last 12 years on dry surfaces anyway.  In any event, it never occurred to me not to use it.  The panic in this country about reused anything (pumps, cribs, car seats) is just mind-boggling.  I know they are thinking they need to make themselves safe from lawsuits and protect against people with no common sense.  But if you do have common sense, it's ridiculous.

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Re: Reusing previously owned breast pump
« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2015, 10:40:29 AM »
A good friend gave me hers, which she had used about 12 years before.  I am absolutely certain she is not hiding HIV or hepatitis from me.  I wonder if the germs last 12 years on dry surfaces anyway.  In any event, it never occurred to me not to use it.  The panic in this country about reused anything (pumps, cribs, car seats) is just mind-boggling.  I know they are thinking they need to make themselves safe from lawsuits and protect against people with no common sense.  But if you do have common sense, it's ridiculous.

Sure, we pretty much bought or was gifted used everything except the car seat.  We wanted an FAA approved one that could go on an airplane since we knew we were going to fly somewhere.  It's just a LOT easier with a seat on a long flight.

HEP A can survive outside the body in the right conditions for months.  HEP C only days.  12 years?  Not so much.  But months was longer than I thought.

Getting one from a friend or family member is one thing.  From a stranger is potentially different.

/shrug

Everyone's risk tolerance is different.  And first time parents are often more risk adverse.  By the third kid, if blood, protruding bones or convulsions weren't involved we figured everything was going pretty good.

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Re: Reusing previously owned breast pump
« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2015, 10:56:53 AM »
I don't even get the problem with the diaphragm not being sterilize-able... It's been a few years since I've pumped but I don't think it would be an issue as the milk (and you) doesn't touch anything but the tubing which is relatively inexpensive to replace.
I would think that if you replace the tubing you'd be good to go.
I'm not a microbiologist (but I am an MD) and I don't envision hepatitis C or HIV crawling up the tubing from the diaphragm to go jump into your breast milk.
I would have zero concern about using  a used breast pump (such as Medela pump-in-style) with the tubing/bottles/collectors replaced.

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« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2015, 10:06:07 PM »
Okay, it was seventeen years ago. But we rented one, which was by definition reusable. No trouble at all. No concerns.

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Re: Reusing previously owned breast pump
« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2015, 08:44:06 AM »
Well, milk is actually pretty easy to suck up inside the motor.  I did it several times.  If you are jostling, or bumping the bottles as you pump, and the ilk splashes up, it'll get sucked up the tubes into the pump. 

But, that said, I have no problem passing pumps around people I know well enough to trust their HIV.Hep status. 

Now insurance is required to cover them, though, so it should be a non-issue for all new mothers to get one.

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« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2015, 09:35:59 AM »
I donated milk to the hospital for premature and sick children. So you would think they would take hygiene seriously. But I never heard them mentioning that I shouldn't get a used pump. There were strict guidelines about sterilizing the bottles and stuff, but nothing about the rest of the machine. I got a medela pump-in-style used, and my milk tested negative for bacteria every time.

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« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2015, 10:45:47 AM »
My older son is 9, I borrowed my best friend's, just bought new tubing and diaphragm.  Gave it back to her when I was done.

My younger son is 3, I had THREE people offer me theirs.  At this point, I don't even remember WHICH friend's I accepted.  Also got new tubing and diaphragm.  And when done I donated it to a teen mom.

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« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2015, 02:42:54 PM »
Kinda like car seats, I would use one from someone I trusted.

But a little-known fact is that consumer breast pumps don't necessarily last for more than one baby. If I were a working mom having a baby, I would insist on a rental pump from my insurance. Way better than someone's old Pump n Style.

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« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2015, 03:03:09 AM »
If I were a working mom having a baby, I would insist on a rental pump from my insurance.
Good luck insisting on anything from insurance. I was offered one option. Well two "take it or leave it". Once they meet. The minimum required by law they aren't too interested in going beyond.

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« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2015, 05:42:08 AM »
I did notice that my PNS was not so great for kid 2.  Since I was a SAHM for kid 2, it was good enough for me.

Instead of insisting on a new rental pump (big, heavy) I would have just gotten a new PNS if I had worked.

My company was amazing for working moms, we had great pumping rooms and such, but I am really jealous of the companies that have hospital grade pumps in the pumping room, so every mom can just bring their tubing kit and plug in. 

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« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2015, 05:44:15 AM »
I also reused a pump from someone else through two children. I had no problems.

With our third and last child in 2014, we got a brand new Medela Pump n Style from insurance. I used it twice. Anybody want it? PM me. I would be happy to pass it along.

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« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2015, 08:34:20 PM »
From a mom who nursed a total of four years:

- Breast pumps are not necessities.  Not at all.  Not even if you're working.  They're complicated, cumbersome and not fun to use.  On the other hand, it's easy to breastfeed part-time if you're going back to work, and it's easier to use an occasional bottle of formula when you go out for the evening. 

- My insurance bought me a hospital-grade breast pump -- in retrospect, it was a waste.  It was a large box with the mechanical parts ... and a separate bunch of parts that actually touched my body (the funnel-looking thing and the hoses).  If you're looking to buy a used pump, there's no reason in the world that you shouldn't buy the box-with-mechanical-parts used.  You could easily pick up a new accessory kit.

- I have no idea how milk could be sucked up in to the mechanical parts, but perhaps they make different types.

- Why would the FDA approve a breast pump?  It is neither food nor drug. 

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« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2015, 11:38:43 AM »
From a mom who nursed a total of four years:

- Breast pumps are not necessities.  Not at all.  Not even if you're working.  They're complicated, cumbersome and not fun to use.  On the other hand, it's easy to breastfeed part-time if you're going back to work, and it's easier to use an occasional bottle of formula when you go out for the evening. 

Dude, if any pregnant moms are reading this, don't listen to her.  Yes you need a pump if you plan to nurse and work with a newborn.

- My insurance bought me a hospital-grade breast pump -- in retrospect, it was a waste.  It was a large box with the mechanical parts ... and a separate bunch of parts that actually touched my body (the funnel-looking thing and the hoses).  If you're looking to buy a used pump, there's no reason in the world that you shouldn't buy the box-with-mechanical-parts used.  You could easily pick up a new accessory kit.

Because most non-hospital grade pumps have no barrier to keep bodily fluids from being sucked up the tubing and into the "box with mechanbical parts"

- I have no idea how milk could be sucked up in to the mechanical parts, but perhaps they make different types.

I explained how in my post above, I've done it.  You get jostled, or bounced while pumping and the milk splashes up the bottles and get get sucked up the tubing.  The one hospital grade pump I used had filters in the pump lines that prevented liquids and vapors from being sucked into the "box with mechanical part"

- Why would the FDA approve a breast pump?  It is neither food nor drug.
Medical devices.  Don't you want them approving stents and knee replacement parts and CPAP's and such?  Same deal for pumps.


I'm no germaphobe (as I said above I'd use a pump from someone I knew and trusted to be disease-free) but this is crazycakes advice.

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« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2015, 02:21:45 PM »
I'm no germaphobe (as I said above I'd use a pump from someone I knew and trusted to be disease-free) but this is crazycakes advice.
You're welcome to think so, but with four years' experience on the subject, I know it's easier to breastfeed on a part-time basis than to use a pump (and you're more likely to actually keep it up long-term).  As I said, pumps could be different, but the one I used for a while couldn't possibly "suck up" any milk. 

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Re: Reusing previously owned breast pump
« Reply #15 on: October 29, 2015, 11:39:28 PM »
I would get it for my wife if it was used by someone I know. Otherwise it is a no-no for me.

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Re: Reusing previously owned breast pump
« Reply #16 on: October 30, 2015, 03:57:49 AM »
I worked full time and nursed/pumped two babies, each for 13 months. It was a lot of work. I spent a lot of time in a closet at work. I did use a hand me down pump from A friend. I bought my own tubing, bottles and shields. After this experience, I have no issues with using a used motor. It may be possible for milk to come in contact with the pump motor (though mine never even touched the tubes, ever) but it is impossible for your milk to come in contact with the motor and then back UP the tubing and down into the bottle. The pump only works in one direction.

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« Reply #17 on: October 30, 2015, 10:28:21 AM »
Heh, I didn't think this would be a very controversial subject. :)

If you read the usual baby forums, blogs, etc they mostly recommend not using a used pump except for "hospital grade" pumps which if your insurance will cover is great (if bulky).  Since we were being moderately frugal we didn't want to buy yet another new pump and our insurance didn't cover pumps.

http://www.breastfeedingonline.com/pumps.shtml

https://www.facebook.com/SarahEichlerIbclc/photos/a.387611194652735.92045.381645351915986/608277935919392/

http://www.lalecheleague.org/llleaderweb/lv/lvjunjul04p54.html

Parents are not being germaphobes for being concerned about used pumps when the consistent message from health practitioners and lactation experts is that it is potentially unsafe.  First time parents are probably most concerned since the warnings are often quite dire and everything is a new experience.

Given I have physically taken apart two pumps folks that claim that milk can't get into the pump mechanism are wrong for many of the current pump designs.  In my opinion, companies deliberately design the pumps so that milk CAN get into the internal pump mechanisms AND have parts users cannot easily replace to reduce the potential for reuse.  And many of the closed systems are, in my opinion, deliberately designed to not last very long.

The pumping does in fact work in both directions on both these pumps.  Air is pulled into the pump to create a vacuum and then released back out on the other end of the cycle so there is some amount of air exchange between the internal mechanism and the parts that collect milk.  About the same amount of air gets moved in either direction through the tubes.

The odds of airborne viral transmission is probably exceedingly low.  The odds of airborne fungal/mold spore transmission is probably a little bit higher but also probably still quite low.  If this level of risk bothers you then our experience might be of interest since we eliminated this concert for us while spending no more money than just buying a new set of tubes and flange which we were going to do anyway.

Buying the closed Ameda kit instead of the open Medela kit costs about the same.  The only time this is a particularly bad move is if the Ameda kit doesn't actually work with your used pump.  Then you just wasted $50.

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Re: Reusing previously owned breast pump
« Reply #18 on: November 01, 2015, 06:07:28 AM »
Probably not.

There is a difference between rental pumps and personal ones. Rental pumps have a different kind of system, personal pumps motors don't have the same kind of closed system as hospital grade ones. Given that it was 85 dollars, it's definitely not hospital grade. So what happens here, is that even when someone else uses a used breast pump with new parts(shield, tubing, membranes), breastmilk on personal pumps can come in contact with the motor.

I know you said nothing came out. But the motor cannot be cleaned anyhow, so if anyone does some digging on whether used breast pumps are safe to use, they're likely to just save and buy their own. This isn't to say someone wouldn't buy it, they very well may. I know you live in Canada so I don't know, but in the US it was only in the last..3ish years, that health plans began implementing coverage on breastfeeding supplies and support. So plenty of people were buying used pumps before then, because they can be pretty expensive if you want a good one.

If you do list it, do not include the shield, membranes or tubing. Those things for sure need to be replaced.

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« Reply #19 on: November 01, 2015, 06:27:11 AM »
If you do list it, do not include the shield, membranes or tubing. Those things for sure need to be replaced.

Why? Especially in the case of the shields, they can be sterilized just like bottles can. I could see the membrane, since those are flimsy, but the rest? But I also didn't sterilize my bottles fanatically or other measures that other parents do. I guess some people are just more or less comfortable with the possibly of risk. But the risk of contamination in the way we are discussing is exceedingly low regardless.

If you inspect the motor on a used unit and don't smell or see mold, it's highly, highly unlikely to be a problem. I just googled to know if mold is either odorless or invisible, and I mostly just encountered crack-pot websites insisting this. I think we all have encountered black and other types of mold in our lives and know how obvious it is by sight and smell. I've just been battling some minor mildew and mold in my basement, and you just can't escape the smell. My guess is that if you opened a pump that had been contaminated that you would know.   

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« Reply #20 on: November 02, 2015, 09:06:35 AM »
Probably not.

There is a difference between rental pumps and personal ones. Rental pumps have a different kind of system, personal pumps motors don't have the same kind of closed system as hospital grade ones. Given that it was 85 dollars, it's definitely not hospital grade. So what happens here, is that even when someone else uses a used breast pump with new parts(shield, tubing, membranes), breastmilk on personal pumps can come in contact with the motor.

I know you said nothing came out. But the motor cannot be cleaned anyhow, so if anyone does some digging on whether used breast pumps are safe to use, they're likely to just save and buy their own. This isn't to say someone wouldn't buy it, they very well may. I know you live in Canada so I don't know, but in the US it was only in the last..3ish years, that health plans began implementing coverage on breastfeeding supplies and support. So plenty of people were buying used pumps before then, because they can be pretty expensive if you want a good one.

If you do list it, do not include the shield, membranes or tubing. Those things for sure need to be replaced.

Amazing that you are posting in a thread where it states: 
  • There is no such thing as a FDA certified hospital grade pump.
  • That there are personal pumps that are closed systems.
  • How to clean the motor in a PISA if you are so inclined
  • And instructions on how to make a PISA into a closed system if you are still worried

I guess I should have included a TL;DR

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« Reply #21 on: November 02, 2015, 11:07:58 AM »
I'm no germaphobe (as I said above I'd use a pump from someone I knew and trusted to be disease-free) but this is crazycakes advice.
You're welcome to think so, but with four years' experience on the subject, I know it's easier to breastfeed on a part-time basis than to use a pump (and you're more likely to actually keep it up long-term).  As I said, pumps could be different, but the one I used for a while couldn't possibly "suck up" any milk.

That's all well and good, but for those who want to breastfeed full time, you do need a breast pump.  Getting your baby to reverse cycle (i.e. do all feedings in the evenings/night when you're home) is potentially an option to avoiding a pump, but not ideal (or necessarily doable if your baby won't cooperate or you want to have a good night's sleep).

Both my babes were exclusively breastfed, and I pumped at work using the same Medela Pump in Style.  I replaced the membranes for Baby 2, which basically restored the pump to its original efficiency when  it seemed like it wasn't as effective as it used to be.

I bought mine new because of all the FDA warnings, etc about disease transmission.  I had never seen a breast pump before (and couldn't look at one at Target or Babies R Us because of return restrictions).  Knowing what I do now and having used one, I would absolutely buy one used. 

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« Reply #22 on: November 02, 2015, 11:36:39 AM »
I'm no germaphobe (as I said above I'd use a pump from someone I knew and trusted to be disease-free) but this is crazycakes advice.
You're welcome to think so, but with four years' experience on the subject, I know it's easier to breastfeed on a part-time basis than to use a pump (and you're more likely to actually keep it up long-term).  As I said, pumps could be different, but the one I used for a while couldn't possibly "suck up" any milk.

That's all well and good, but for those who want to breastfeed full time, you do need a breast pump.  Getting your baby to reverse cycle (i.e. do all feedings in the evenings/night when you're home) is potentially an option to avoiding a pump, but not ideal (or necessarily doable if your baby won't cooperate or you want to have a good night's sleep).

Both my babes were exclusively breastfed, and I pumped at work using the same Medela Pump in Style.  I replaced the membranes for Baby 2, which basically restored the pump to its original efficiency when  it seemed like it wasn't as effective as it used to be.

I bought mine new because of all the FDA warnings, etc about disease transmission.  I had never seen a breast pump before (and couldn't look at one at Target or Babies R Us because of return restrictions).  Knowing what I do now and having used one, I would absolutely buy one used.
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I bought into all the stuff in the books about breastfeeding, but I had a real "ah ha" moment when my infant babysitter with 45 years experience told me that she did the reverse cycle with her first 40 years ago when she was still teaching and nursing and they didn't HAVE pumps. So it is possible. That said, I'm glad I had my pump because I don't think I would have been very comfortable at work without pumping. My body probably would have adjusted eventually.
And the notion of being able to transmit diseases through the air that's circulated in the pump is laughable.

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Re: Reusing previously owned breast pump
« Reply #23 on: November 02, 2015, 11:53:29 AM »
Kinda like car seats, I would use one from someone I trusted.

But a little-known fact is that consumer breast pumps don't necessarily last for more than one baby. If I were a working mom having a baby, I would insist on a rental pump from my insurance. Way better than someone's old Pump n Style.
Both used pump in styles that I "borrowed" were fabulous.

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Re: Reusing previously owned breast pump
« Reply #24 on: November 02, 2015, 11:59:29 AM »
I'm no germaphobe (as I said above I'd use a pump from someone I knew and trusted to be disease-free) but this is crazycakes advice.
You're welcome to think so, but with four years' experience on the subject, I know it's easier to breastfeed on a part-time basis than to use a pump (and you're more likely to actually keep it up long-term).  As I said, pumps could be different, but the one I used for a while couldn't possibly "suck up" any milk.
I'm going to have to disagree with this one. It's going to depend ENTIRELY on the mom/ kid.

My SIL's first kid, she nursed at home and gave formula when she was at work.  Her second kid, she pumped.  First kid: only went to 6 months.  Second?  One year.

My two kids, I pumped with both.  But with BOTH kids, when I stopped pumping, they weaned in 6 weeks. So first kid: 13.5 months.  Second kid: I'd planned on "nursing part time/ formula part time" with #2 from 8.5 months till whenever, but six weeks later, he was over it.  "Part time nursing" didn't work for me at all.

Pumping sucked, not gonna lie.  It's not fun by any means, but the pumps were not complicated or cumbersome.  Annoying, yes.

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Re: Reusing previously owned breast pump
« Reply #25 on: November 02, 2015, 12:49:12 PM »
One more thing: pumping wasn't terrible for me because I have my own office with a locking door and this pumping "bra" allowed me to be basically hands-free.   Worth every penny as I was able to carry on with my work day or eat lunch while pumping (I once participated in a conference call while eating lunch, doing on-line banking, and extracting nourishment for my baby that my body created.  Multi-tasking for the win!!).

http://www.amazon.com/PumpEase-hands-free-pumping-bra-Galaxie/dp/B002ZYNTSY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1446493363&sr=8-1&keywords=pumpease

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Re: Reusing previously owned breast pump
« Reply #26 on: November 02, 2015, 01:33:13 PM »
I bought a used carseat off Craigslist, I'm pretty flexible when it comes to cleanliness and risk, and I'm even one of those weirdos who uses water instead of toilet paper.

But I wouldn't use someone else's breast pump, and I'm not even sure I would re-use the same open-system breast pump between children.  (My Spectra is a closed system pump, so I don't need to open up the guts to steralize the inside - I'll probably just get new tubing and peripherals.)  If you google around for "breast pump mold pictures," you'll find plenty of images that should not be associated with feeding a baby. 
One example http://mythnomore.blogspot.com/2011/08/why-you-shouldnt-buy-sell-or-borrow.html.  Another https://www.facebook.com/kellymomdotcom/posts/10152329308000139.

If you're buying a used pump, please PLEASE take the time to understand whether it's an open or closed system, and therefore whether you need to take apart the internals to examine them.  Understand what you're purchasing!

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Re: Reusing previously owned breast pump
« Reply #27 on: November 03, 2015, 06:53:57 AM »
I'm no germaphobe (as I said above I'd use a pump from someone I knew and trusted to be disease-free) but this is crazycakes advice.
You're welcome to think so, but with four years' experience on the subject, I know it's easier to breastfeed on a part-time basis than to use a pump (and you're more likely to actually keep it up long-term).  As I said, pumps could be different, but the one I used for a while couldn't possibly "suck up" any milk.

1.  4 years of nursing anecdotes is not data.  Working on finding data, I will edit when I find it.  Your experience is just that:  your experience.  But you are stating it like fact.  Since YOU found it easier to nurse PT, it IS easier.  REALLY?
2.  The most common pump, the Medela PIS, is an open system.  Yes, there are closed system pumps.  Maybe yours was one. We are talking about sharing open system pumps, which does have a risk, and can get milk sucked up.  This thread is not about whether you had a closed system pump, its about whether the risk of sharing an open system pump is reasonable. 


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Re: Reusing previously owned breast pump
« Reply #28 on: November 03, 2015, 08:48:26 PM »
Seventeen year old son now fussing about chemistry homework. Wants to work on economics instead. Perhaps the rental breast pump was the wrong decision.

We washed everything in fairly hot water and dish soap; boiled the parts that the NICU said to boil. This was with a 32-week preemie. We had no problems.


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Re: Reusing previously owned breast pump
« Reply #29 on: November 05, 2015, 09:32:17 AM »
I used my friends' Pump-in-Style pumps, with the assumption that they are not hiding HepC or HIV from me. However, I did notice that the milk flows from the breast shields into the bottles, not into the pump. There are very long clear, plastic tubes that connect to the pump and provide vacuum. If the milk gets into them by chance (and it occasionally does), it travels one-way. It never flows back from the pump to the bottles. So, no worries.