Author Topic: Primary vs Secondary Health Insurance for Kids  (Read 11320 times)

ScroogeMcstache

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Primary vs Secondary Health Insurance for Kids
« on: March 16, 2012, 07:08:04 PM »
So here's the situation, I'm wondering if anyone else is in a similar boat and has any suggestions.  My wife and I both have good jobs that each provide employer-subsidized health insurance.  Each employer demands that if your spouse is employed, then he/she must purchase primary health insurance for himself/herself from his/her own employer.

My plan is wicked good.  It's one of these new so-called high-deductible consumer-driven plans.  The way it works is I pay about $200 a month in premiums for myself plus family.  Lots of basic stuff is 100% covered in-network (annual physicals, most vaccines, etc).  I presume my employer pays some premium too, but I'm not sure how much.  Then, my employer contributes about $2,000 to a Health Account. (Note, this is not an HSA or HRA where you reimburse yourself for out of pocket expenses.  This is an account that only the employer can contribute to, and only the insurance provider can deduct from)  The insurance provider, when given a bill for services rendered, determines how much it will pay if it's not 100% covered, and then takes the money out of that Health Account to pay for it.  Every month I get a statement showing the balance in that account.  The best part is, if the money in the account isn't used, it rolls over forever.  So since there are no chronic conditions in my family, we hardly ever spend any of the money, we currently have over $10,000 in that account, and it grows every year.  If something catastrophic happens, then they draw that account down to zero, at which point I am responsible for a "bridge payment" of about $15,000 (that's the high-deductible part), and beyond that it mostly works like a more traditional insurance plan where I am responsible for 10% to 20% of the remaining cost, depending on what it is.  (So I can still go bankrupt, yay!)

So, to reiterate, I can insure my entire family on this plan for about $200 in premiums per month.  And I have a savings cushion to deal with the bridge payment if it comes to that.

The problem is I live in a state that follows the "Birthday Rule", which says that the primary insurance provider for each child must be the primary insurance provider for the parent whose birthday falls earliest in the calendar year.  This means that my children must be on my wife's plan (My plan is the secondary insurance for them).  Currently my wife pays about $900 per month in premiums for herself and our oldest daughter (I am not on her plan at all).  Our second daughter was born yesterday, and looking over the paperwork, it seems that our premiums will now increase by about $600 dollars a month.

Has anyone else been in a similar situation, and could anything be done about it?  Ideally I'd like to make my plan the primary plan for my kids and drop my wife's coverage altogether for them (and invest the $1000 or so monthly premiums so we can get off the treadmill sooner!).  I did some research, and it seems that the only legal way around the problem is to get divorced and have a family court judge arbitrarily declare which parent's insurance is primary and which is secondary.  I don't think that's in the cards for us.  Any suggestions?





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Re: Primary vs Secondary Health Insurance for Kids
« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2012, 10:53:34 PM »
The "obvious" answer would be for your wife to quit - to save on that $1500/mo. premium as well as daycare (with the new baby), and the other benefits of a stay-at-home parent. That's a very personal choice, though, even if it would work financially (which it may not depending on how much your wife makes) and since you didn't mention it that might not be something you/your wife are willing to consider.

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Re: Primary vs Secondary Health Insurance for Kids
« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2012, 11:11:54 PM »
Will you tell what state you live in? From what I can tell you dont actually have to insure them on both policies but if you do there is a secondary and a primary.

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Re: Primary vs Secondary Health Insurance for Kids
« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2012, 11:20:20 PM »
We live in Maryland.  I know we're not required to have both a primary and a secondary policy.  My main point is that I would prefer to have only a primary policy for the kids, and I want to be able to choose which one it is (mine, because it's much cheaper), but state law doesn't allow that.

And yes, we have considered her quitting altogether, but the math is still in favor of her working.  If I was the only breadwinner, we'd just barely be living paycheck to paycheck.  As it stands, we basically save her entire salary.  We have a sizeable emergency fund, so "save" in this sense means we use most of it to pay down mortgage and student loans - we're just getting into the mustachian lifestyle.  Plus she wants to continue working, at least for now.

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Re: Primary vs Secondary Health Insurance for Kids
« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2012, 11:30:48 PM »
Thanks for the quick reply.

Based on some quick reading the way I understand the Birthday Rule is that it is an informal rule that insures abide by when there are primary and secondary insurers. You do not have to both buy insurance. You can just buy insurance under your plan.

I am clearly not an expert on the state Maryland state law and I have no experience with it as I am in CO. I would reach out to an insurance broker or call the state insurance regulators for clarification. If this is truly the rule you should sue the state as they can not dictate which policy you can buy.


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Re: Primary vs Secondary Health Insurance for Kids
« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2012, 04:35:55 AM »
Thanks, that is not the way the rule was explained to us by HR, but I will look into it.

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Re: Primary vs Secondary Health Insurance for Kids
« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2012, 12:15:03 PM »
TheDude's understanding of the birthday rule is how I understand it also (as I live in a state that also has this).  It's not a rule about which insurance you have to buy, it's if someone is covered by both, which coverage is tapped first.

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Re: Primary vs Secondary Health Insurance for Kids
« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2012, 05:20:48 PM »
So I had to go through three levels of HR help desk support today until I got somebody to explain the rule clearly to me.  The first two kept telling me that my kids had to be on my wife's insurance because of her birthday.  But once I found a competent person, I was able to confirm that TheDude was spot on.  Thank you!  Once my wife re-enrolls this year and drops our first daughter (now I feel like an idiot for misinterpreting the rule and not seeking better guidance when she was born), that'll be about $900 a month we can use to grow our 'stache.

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Re: Primary vs Secondary Health Insurance for Kids
« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2012, 10:11:27 AM »
That's great news. I am glad you looked into it a little more. I really hate the health insurance game it so convoluted its always tough to understand and it seems like so few people actually know the answers.

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Re: Primary vs Secondary Health Insurance for Kids
« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2012, 08:13:34 AM »
I'm glad you figured it out!  It's so confusing and not surprising that people don't know the ACTUAL laws.

My HR director is great, but I am negotiating maternity leave right now.  One question I have is: the company policy states that I have to use all my vacation time when I am out.  But the FAQ's sheet that she gave me from the state says "your company may require you to use up to 2 weeks vacation when out for baby bonding."

Well, which is it?  She has to figure it all out.  Because I will have 3 weeks saved up.  Do I have to use all of it or only some of it?  Because if it's all of it, I'll be taking some time off before I go out.

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Re: Primary vs Secondary Health Insurance for Kids
« Reply #10 on: April 26, 2013, 05:54:52 PM »
Be careful if you are considering buying double insurance (primary and secondary). Having crappy primary insurance and awesome secondary insurance is NOT the same thing as having awesome insurance as your primary insurance.

For example, let's say your primary insurance is Group Health and only covers Group Health doctors, while your secondary is a premiere plan that covers just about everything anywhere. If you go to a doctor that is covered by the premiere plan but not covered by Group Health, the result is ZERO COVERAGE and you have to pay 100% of the bill. You have to operate within the network of your primary plan.

How primary/secondary insurance works is that your primary insurance has to cover a portion of the medical expense first in order for your secondary insurance to consider paying anything. If they don't cover it at all, your secondary insurance can refuse to pay.