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Parenting a newborn with two parents at home.
« on: September 06, 2015, 10:28:27 PM »
We're a same sex couple expecting our first mini-mustache (I'm the pregnant one).  We're semi early retired / on an indefinite break from our careers. We'll both be at home when our baby arrives in Feb. 

I'm trying to figure out how we manage the division of labor with the baby to maximize the benefits of both being at home.  I can see a situation where we end up both getting no sleep, and end up feeling just as exhausted as parents in which one spouse is working full time.

Any suggestions? It seems like it would be easy if bottle feeding to each take part of the night shift (say one person before 3am, one person after.)  My understanding is that I'm going to need to be nursing every 2-3 hours in the early months, and that not going long stretches between feeding is necessary for establishing and maintaining a good milk supply (vs. somehow pumping enough during other hours for my spouse to feed the baby at night.)

We want to feel like equal co-parents and not like I'm the doing most of the work, but how does that happen when I'm the milk machine?!

We're fairly set in our roles with respect to other aspects of life e.g., I take care of finances, technology, and researching anything that needs researching or planning, and my spouse cleans the house and looks after the garden. We both cook.

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Re: Parenting a newborn with two parents at home.
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2015, 10:36:03 PM »
I was listening to a Freakonomics podcast, and on it were two economists who had faced the same issue when their daughter was born. Their solution: one of them handled input (breastfeeding) and the other handled output (diapers). I thought that was inspired.

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Re: Parenting a newborn with two parents at home.
« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2015, 05:10:43 AM »
I'd recommend against splitting the night routine. Having two sleep deprived parents is worse than one. One person commits to night time duties (approx 9pm until 5am) and then gets to sleep in, and have an afternoon nap in return.

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Re: Parenting a newborn with two parents at home.
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2015, 05:28:22 AM »
Congrats on your pregnancy.
I like the input and output view. Funny but true.
I nursed each of my children for 2 yrs. started out pumping but it became too much work sterilizing bottles, labeling milk in fridge, freezing milk for use later. I pumped and froze milk for when I wasn't home but the more frequent scenario was that I nursed and bottles were for special situations.
Babies have small stomachs but they will trick you into thinking they are hungry because they would prefer to just keep sucking, even if here isn't any milk, which can lead to painful, raw skin.
Good luck. Everyone eventually figures out what works best for them.

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Re: Parenting a newborn with two parents at home.
« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2015, 05:29:58 AM »
If your baby is anything like mine was, you, as the nursing parent, will be doing more of the parenting early on. Newborns do need to nurse every few hours - at least. Mine nursed for 30-45 minutes every 1.5-2 hours. Which meant that about 10 hours a day she was latched on. I learned to sleep while nursing on my side.

Your partner/spouse can equally participate by taking on more caretaking of YOU, non-nursing needs of the baby, and the household. The first few months are all about adjustment, so don't feel like you two need to figure it out before your baby arrives.

I think you're correct to focus on sleep. And that needs to be weighed against your individual sleep needs. For example, if one parent cannot function without 5 hours of uninterrupted sleep (plus a nap or two), but the other does fine with shorter, more frequent stretches of sleep, the first parent shouldn't be doing the bulk of the night parenting. Equal parenting responsibilities does not always mean everything split 50/50.

It's great that you'll both be home with your baby. As your LO grows, your co-parent will easily be able to take on more roles.

I agree with Indio that pumping for home use is more trouble than it's worth.

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Re: Parenting a newborn with two parents at home.
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2015, 08:02:51 AM »
I have no direct experience, but a friend of mine has a 2-m-o and she overrode the sleep deprivation by co-sleeping. When baby is hungry, she just put him on the breast without getting up, and often she still naps while he's sucking. But she was already co-sleeping with a cat earlier, so she's used to be aware of small creatures in her bed.

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Re: Parenting a newborn with two parents at home.
« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2015, 08:36:49 AM »
Second the advice to NOT split night duties. Let partner stay asleep unless you really need help. In the first couple of weeks, I would sometimes beg Mr. FP to take the baby downstairs for a while (at like 1:45 am) and just hold him off for a while so I could rest myself and my poor nipples, but that settled down quickly. Or he would hold newborn in his lap while he read.

Afternoon nap is PRICELESS. Ask partner to put baby in a carrier and go for a walk while you get your zzzz's. (Later baby should nap more predictably, but that's months away.)

Don't know much about your partner's character, but Mr. FP is not much of a baby person. Not that he didn't bond with our babies, but he is much more involved now that they can run around and stuff.

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Re: Parenting a newborn with two parents at home.
« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2015, 10:59:00 AM »
Congrats! It's great you will both get so much time with your little one.

My SO was amazing. One of the things they said in the first week was "Why would I ever complain about changing my sons diapers?"

But I think sticking SO with all the output would suck.

We did share these duties but, right from the start,  I knew we would have no petty fights.
It was more of an appreciation for who gets to spend time with Bebe vs. who has to. ;)

I would not compromise Brest feeding with bottles until latching is easy, & maybe never.
I do not think bottle feeding, just so the other parent can participate, is in the best interest for Bebe.
I'm not sure that is your intention.
If you are incredibly exhausted and at your limit you will need to use bottles. But you are much more than a milk machine & there is lots to be done besides feeding.

The first week it might seem like Bebe is not getting enough but in most cases they just need a little and if you can squeeze a bit of milk out your doing fine. Even my Dr. Suggested bottle supplementing but from what I read, & what the home visit  nurse said, we were fine. Breastfeeding was actually really easy for me. (But it's not easy for everyone, so don't be hard on yourself if it's not for you. While prego I met a woman who said it was easy for #1 but #2 never latched. She would have been distraught had she not had the good experience the first time. She recognized quite quickly that #2 was different & switched to bottles.)

I never really used bottles. With all the washing mentioned it's a PITA.

I had a 33h labour & C-Sec so my SO had to do everything but feeding the first week. SO would wake up and hand Bebe to me. I was terrified of co-sleeping so I stayed awake to feed. Then I woke SO up to return the Bebe to the crib in our room.

This was the first 4 weeks. Then SO went back to work and I could handle the nights alone. No point both getting a bad night sleep. ;) As mentioned above, your SO can take over for afternoon nap time for you!

There are so many special times. You will catch yourselves snuggling together while you both watch Bebe sleep. Your SO should do lots of skin to skin cuddling. SO could start reading stories right away. Maybe bath time can be their special time.

My friend basically forced her DH to do the bath time so she could get a break.

In my case, my MIL would monopolize baths every time she could. I was happy for that.

As an aside, probably the only time I was ever mad at my MIL was when she said the bamboo washcloths I bought felt like wood.  I felt insulted & like crying. Deep breath! I realze now I was a hormonal new mom, MIL had no idea I bought the cloths, I felt insulted,  &, in her defense, they were pretty frigggen crunchy so I now laugh about how rediclous it was for me to be upset.

So be prepared for a few rough, irrational emotions.

But there are so many special times. Your SO will probably be the one doing most of the baby wearing when you go out for those walks at the start. Maybe your SO will have some magic trick for putting Bebe to sleep. Maybe they will get up first and see if Bebe needs a change, just a cuddle or a feeding. I think my SO was the better baby translator. Maybe because they were less tired.  Ask them if they would like to do anything in particular? But I don't really think you must split things equally.

Also remember you are parents for life, baby feeding is probably less than 1% in your overall parenting roll.

Ok. That became a long response. I enjoyed remembering those days.
I'm so excited for you three!







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Re: Parenting a newborn with two parents at home.
« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2015, 12:35:16 PM »
Thanks all. Good thoughts. Am forwarding this thread to my spouse to read now :)

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Re: Parenting a newborn with two parents at home.
« Reply #9 on: September 07, 2015, 01:21:31 PM »
I was listening to a Freakonomics podcast, and on it were two economists who had faced the same issue when their daughter was born. Their solution: one of them handled input (breastfeeding) and the other handled output (diapers). I thought that was inspired.

Not exactly an equal split, considering breastfeeding can take 8-12 hours a day at the beginning.  It takes like a minute to change a diaper.

My husband was home for the first month.  His job was basically to support BFing (bringing me things like snacks or drinks while BFing, making food, some laundry) and to take charge of our son when I wasn't Bfing as required (like if I needed to nap and the baby wasn't going to sleep easily).


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Re: Parenting a newborn with two parents at home.
« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2015, 03:06:19 PM »
Agree with a lot of the comments that suggest as the nursing parent, you inevitably do more of the night work.  One way we got through the early months was after I had been up and down with the baby during the night, my husband would get up with him in the morning and let me get 3 hours of sleep or so without the monitor turned on.  Usually, the baby didn't need to nurse for that period of time, but I knew my husband could bring him to me if he did need it, so I was able to sleep more soundly.  Then my husband would come home from work early and let me get an afternoon nap.  Plus, I'll echo the other comments that another way your partner can help is by taking over the other household duties so you don't have to worry much about cooking/cleaning/grocery shopping, etc.  I found that my husband was better at handling these duties (along with working) if he had rested adequately at night, and since he couldn't help me nurse at night, there was no reason for both of us to be up.  Another good suggestion is to make and freeze a lot of food ahead of time so there are lots of ready made meals.  If friends/family offer to help, don't be shy about letting them know what would be helpful. 

The sleep thing improves quickly, although it doesn't feel like it while you are going through it.  If your partner is making a big effort and you are able to communicate what is helpful to you, you'll both be fine.  Congratulations.  :)

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Re: Parenting a newborn with two parents at home.
« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2015, 10:26:07 PM »
congrats!

definitely not the split of input/output, at least not at night time.  Small babies usually poop right after feeding, so the feeding parent is still awake and has already put in their 20-30 minutes, and the diaper change only takes 1 more minute.  It is totally not worth waking another person up to deal with the diaper.


one person should get to sleep through the night, and the nighttime person should get to sleep in late and/or take a nap

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Re: Parenting a newborn with two parents at home.
« Reply #12 on: September 08, 2015, 01:34:14 AM »
Such an exciting time!

I don't have great advice for you, other than this....  know that whatever you pre-plan before the birth will get completely turned upside down during the first few weeks.  :)

-->One of you will discover that they can not operate without at least 5 hours of continuous sleep, one will be up every few hours just to check on the peacefully sleeping baby.  (or sleep on the floor next to the crib "just in case").  One will be great at putting a restless upset baby to sleep.   One will be great at planning the day (and the diaper bag).  One will be wonderful at taking up the slack in household chores.

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« Reply #13 on: September 08, 2015, 07:06:31 AM »
Such an exciting time!

I don't have great advice for you, other than this....  know that whatever you pre-plan before the birth will get completely turned upside down during the first few weeks.  :)

-->One of you will discover that they can not operate without at least 5 hours of continuous sleep, one will be up every few hours just to check on the peacefully sleeping baby.  (or sleep on the floor next to the crib "just in case").  One will be great at putting a restless upset baby to sleep.   One will be great at planning the day (and the diaper bag).  One will be wonderful at taking up the slack in household chores.

This is such a great post. As a couple, you likely won't know what your strengths will be until you starting living your new life with a baby. Flexibility is key. And something that works for a few weeks might not work later. So you adjust.

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Re: Parenting a newborn with two parents at home.
« Reply #14 on: September 08, 2015, 07:42:43 AM »
My husband and I have talked about this, and I think we will have an unequal division of labor, in regards to the baby; but that doesn't mean we won't have an equal division of labor.

Your spouse should consider picking up more of the NON-baby tasks that you used to do; to better equate for the time you spend feeding the baby.

(Because I agree- breastfeeding and diaper changing do not take equal amounts of time, or effort.)

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« Reply #15 on: September 08, 2015, 11:19:25 AM »
Going to go back and read everything, but just wanted to chime in:

Before my babies, I thought like you, that it was a "job" and we had to share responsibilities equally.  Now I see it as a relationship.  And you don't need to micromanage your relationships.  Just do it and love, freely and naturally.  If your partner or the baby needs something, just do it.

Don't bother pumping.  Just nurse, it's sooo much easier, and bottle-feeding can lead to problems with nursing.  Just nurse.  Since you'll be nursing, your partner's "job" is to support you.  Feed you, get you water, whatever you need.

I recommend co-sleeping, my newborns slept pretty good that way.  After a month they can latch on by themselves, and you just roll over and fall back asleep with them suckling.  Babycaring is way over thought these days.  You don't need a book to tell you how and when to go to the bathroom or take a shower, right?  Taking care of a baby is the same (I say this after 4 kids, with my first it was different ;) ).  If it's crying, offer it food.  If it has a dirty diaper change it.  We didn't bathe our children pretty much for the whole first month because they don't get dirty!


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Re: Parenting a newborn with two parents at home.
« Reply #16 on: September 08, 2015, 11:40:31 AM »
I have seen that sleep is the major problem during the first six months. So, if you optimize to get good sleep, both of you will be able to enjoy your baby.

What we did was to give a bottle as the last feed, then the breastfeeding mom would get about 4-5 hours of solid sleep.
Since I was responsible for the bottle feed, I got a chance to bond to my son (plus she could sleep earlier).

In the case my wife breast fed the last feed of the day, then she just got 3 hours before my son woke up hungry.
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« Reply #17 on: September 08, 2015, 12:01:16 PM »
One of my favorite memories of the first days we were home with baby #2:  I woke from a longish afternoon nap and stumbled into the kitchen, where DH put a plate of delicious food in front of me, told me that the baby was clean, fed, and napping, the toddler was playing, and that all I needed to do was eat and sit with my dad, who was visiting.

I agree with the other posters who suggested NOT sharing night feedings, at least not completely.  In our case, DH went right back to work after a few days, and he cannot be sleepy at work or someone can be seriously injured.  So I worked to keep nighttime feedings quiet.  And they were lovely times just with me and the baby.  And sometimes awful, but mostly lovely.  With baby #1, DH sometimes brought me the baby at night when he cried so I could feed him.  With babies #2 & 3, DH actually slept in another room for a few months so he could sleep at night and be alert during the day.  He also got bedtime duty with the older one(s).

On pumping: I pumped with baby #1 right away b/c he was kept in the NICU when I was discharged from the hospital, and I nursed him during the day (went home to sleep at night and pumped then).  The pumping/nursing split actually was easier on my nipples than straight nursing was, at least until we got the hang of it.  I pumped with baby #2 as soon as my milk came in b/c she didn't take as much milk as I was producing and I needed to release that pressure.  It helped to have a little milk stash in the freezer for those times like I described above.  Also, I was going back to work, so I wanted to build up a stash for daycare.

But for the first few weeks, I'd say I'd focus on feeding myself and the baby, and letting your partner (and anyone else who visits) worry about any other housework or errand or activity.

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Re: Parenting a newborn with two parents at home.
« Reply #18 on: September 08, 2015, 12:04:13 PM »
I'll add to the folks suggesting NOT splitting up the night time routine.  I'm in the midst of this right now, albeit with some slight differences.  My wife right now does 100% of the night routine, while I sleep with earplugs and an eye mask.  Baby sleeps in our room for now, and she's able to feed him immediately when he needs it, give him a quick change, and get him back to sleep.  I, in turn, deal more with our 3.5yr old and allow my wife to "sleep in" on the weekends for extra time and/or take afternoon naps.

The general idea is that I have more energy to run around with the toddler, however now that I'm back at work that is only 100% true during the 3 days I'm at home.

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« Reply #19 on: September 08, 2015, 02:24:20 PM »
We split the night duties from the beginning.  Many of my girlfriends proudly pointed out that they did the night duties because "my husband has to work".  But my point was: I will be working in 3 months, so he might as well get used to it.  It was very important for our relationship for us to be relatively equal here.

YMMV.  It depends on your sleep habits. For example, I tend towards insomnia and an inability to go back to sleep.

With our first child, he would wake a few times a night.  My husband would pick him up, and hold him upright until he pooped.  Then he'd change the dirty diaper.  And then my husband would go back to sleep.  I would nurse, burp, and wrap like a burrito, and put him back to bed.   So my husband would say "oh, it's not so bad, it's only 30 minutes."  No.  It's 30 minutes for YOU, it's 1.5 hours for ME, because I'm awake for 30 minutes and THEN it's 45 minutes of nursing, and THEN burping and burrito and bed.

If it's the opposite, and your partner has difficulty sleeping, then you might want to be nicer than I was.  But my spouse falls asleep quickly.

Otherwise - if you are going to pump and use bottles at all, you generally will want to start between weeks 4 and 6.  That is when you should have established a good nursing relationship AND the baby is young enough to handle change.  Wait too long and the baby may refuse the bottle.  Start too early and they may refuse the breast (and some babies have no such issues going back and forth.  It's a crapshoot.  I have friends whose babies refused the breast because they got the bottle too early and some who refused the bottle because they waited too long).

That means you *can* do the midnight swap feeding.  For example, I have friends who did this.  Mom would nurse at 9 pm and go to bed.  Dad would do the midnight feeding with a bottle and go to bed, mom would do the 2 or 3 am feeding (nursing).  That way they both would get a solid 5 hours.  I know I started to miss sleep after several days without a single 5 hour stretch.

It wasn't hard for me to maintain a supply.  Every morning I had an abundance, so after nursing I would pump the rest.  I would also exclusively nurse when with my baby, so nights/ weekends.  (I worked during the day).  I would NOT pump "Just to pump" because it sucks (quite literally).  But for example, it shouldn't be hard to pump in the mornings after nursing.

With the second baby, eh, I remember less.  I do know the first couple of months it was 12 hour nights.  I'd nurse the baby at 8, and go to sleep, and then wake up every few hours, and would finally "wake up" at 8 am.  I don't remember following the same routine with diaper changes - baby #2 didn't poop on demand like baby #1.  So more likely I would do the nursing, he'd poop, and then I'd change the diaper.  However, baby #2 was in a cosleeper in our room for a few months and in our room in the crib for 10 months, much longer than baby #1.  He also slept 9 hours from 3 months to 7 months, so way easier there, at least until teething.
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Re: Parenting a newborn with two parents at home.
« Reply #20 on: September 08, 2015, 08:27:49 PM »
We're a same sex couple expecting our first mini-mustache (I'm the pregnant one).  We're semi early retired / on an indefinite break from our careers. We'll both be at home when our baby arrives in Feb. 

I'm trying to figure out how we manage the division of labor with the baby to maximize the benefits of both being at home. 

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Congratulations!

It sounds like you're both in this (being able to be at home and/or have flexible scheduling to be with and care for your child) for the long haul.  You didn't ask specifically about this, and it will be less true for an infant than later, but assuming this desire to keep things fair/balanced is a long-term one -- you'll find your child has opinions of his/her own, that only one of you will prove to be "good" (from the child's perspective) at giving a bath, or reading a bedtime story, or whatever else.  And of course, sometimes that just doesn't matter (sometimes one of you will be away and the other will do whatever needs to get done) but often it will.

Rather than having a plan, I'd suggest open communication, common sense, and playing things by ear.  You may or may not need extra time/support/rest to recover from labor.  Your DC may or may not be colicky.  Etc., etc.  Be kind to each other and collaborate figure out what works well for your family.

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Re: Parenting a newborn with two parents at home.
« Reply #21 on: September 09, 2015, 05:58:39 AM »
This is all really great.  It's reassuring to hear people who didn't have trouble with nursing, since all I seem to read is about how hard it is and how so many people struggle. I agree with the people who've said that feeding vs. changing is not an even split!

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« Reply #22 on: September 09, 2015, 10:58:17 AM »
I am a working mom with a stay-at-home dad husband.  This meant that during my 12 short weeks of unpaid maternity leave we had two parents at home.  This was marvelous compared to having one parent return to work right away, but life with a newborn is still painfully difficult.  I breastfed all my children until about 18months of age and would like to warn you that as the breastfeeding parent you will be doing more of the work in the early months.  There is just no way around it.  Its a choice I'd make again and again because once I got over the initial difficulties it was usually lovely - but it does place more burden on you.

My DH and I are both prone to secretly harboring resentment until pressure builds up enough for a big blow-out if we feel that things are unfair - and so we take great pains to make things as equal as possible.  For example, we have a set bedtime schedule so that for each night of the week we know whose turn it is to put the kiddos to bed vs whose turn it is to clean up the dishes and straighten the house.  Not possible with a nursing newborn.

But there are things your SO can do to help you out as much as she can.  A vivid memory for me was one night post-partum my first child was sleeping 6 inches away from me in a bassinet and started crying to eat.  I hadn't yet managed to fully fall asleep from the previous nursing session.  I had a third degree tear in my perineum from child-birth that meant rolling over to pick up the little one was so painful it brought tears to my eyes.  Some folks might say that my husband might as well sleep all night since I had to get up to feed baby anyways. My husband got up, walked all the way around the bed, picked up the baby, changed his diaper, and then delivered him into my arms.  I still love him for that moment!

One of our children was a colicky baby that nothing could soothe.  His witching hours were about 11pm to 2am every.single.night for weeks and weeks.  3 solid hours of red-faced screaming, his little body stiff as a board.  With such a child it doesn't matter who is the nursing parent because breastfeeding didn't soothe him - so we did take turns in the night with that one.

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« Reply #23 on: September 09, 2015, 03:07:32 PM »
We want to feel like equal co-parents and not like I'm the doing most of the work, but how does that happen when I'm the milk machine?!
In my case I had to accept the hard truth. My wife was the "milk machine" and I was the "other person who lives in the same condo as mom". It lasted for almost 3 years, but now the kid always wants to play with me.

I think it can be hard (for both parents) even if you're trying to get a "balanced" relationship, there are things that will obviously make the relationship with your kid unbalanced. Breastfeeding is a big one.
I think the "input/output" anecdote is funny, but will be still a bit unbalanced. I think there's a much more "positive" connection when you breastfeed than when you change diapers...

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Re: Parenting a newborn with two parents at home.
« Reply #24 on: September 09, 2015, 03:29:00 PM »
There's this great book called "Equally Shared Parenting" that speaks to this. It also has a case study about this guy named Pete that moves from Canada to Colorado and how him and his wife approach equal parenting. Their FIRE status is downplayed very very much, but it was so funny to see MMM pop up unannounced in a book I was reading.

Disclaimer: I'm not a parent yet but will be shortly and my spouse and I are wrestling with this question as well.

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Re: Parenting a newborn with two parents at home.
« Reply #25 on: September 09, 2015, 05:22:08 PM »
To me, this is really about sleep.  I know we'll be nice to each other and just do what needs to do be done if we can sleep well, but don't like the chances of that, or of not getting scratchy with each other with poor sleep since neither of us do well when sleep deprived.  Since we don't go to jobs currently, there are no mornings where we need to use an alarm to wake up (unless we're flying somewhere) so neither of us is even remotely used to having to function while feeling tired any more, which is going to make this a big adjustment!!

Reading through the replies, I'm thinking if I can accept the first 6 weeks is basically all me, and after that try to pump enough during the day that my spouse can do one night feed and I can get 5-6 hours of uninterrupted sleep, that would be the best case scenario.  One other option we have is to use a supplemental nursing system so baby could feed from her boobs but using my milk for 1-2 feeds after the first 6 weeks.  That might help avoid baby developing a preference for boob or bottle, if our LO is only being presented with two variations of boobs! 

My spouse doesn't want to change diapers, and to be honest that isn't something I mind, so I think I'll end up doing that almost all the time.  We'll probably do cloth, so she is going to wash and dry the diapers, which seems like a bigger job to me than changing anyway. I think if baby is upset and it's not hunger, she can be in charge of soothing in those circumstances too. That should help a lot, especially for any times of baby being upset and inconsolable for long periods.


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« Reply #26 on: September 09, 2015, 07:25:43 PM »

Reading through the replies, I'm thinking if I can accept the first 6 weeks is basically all me, and after that try to pump enough during the day that my spouse can do one night feed and I can get 5-6 hours of uninterrupted sleep, that would be the best case scenario.  One other option we have is to use a supplemental nursing system so baby could feed from her boobs but using my milk for 1-2 feeds after the first 6 weeks.  That might help avoid baby developing a preference for boob or bottle, if our LO is only being presented with two variations of boobs! 

My spouse doesn't want to change diapers, and to be honest that isn't something I mind, so I think I'll end up doing that almost all the time.  We'll probably do cloth, so she is going to wash and dry the diapers, which seems like a bigger job to me than changing anyway. I think if baby is upset and it's not hunger, she can be in charge of soothing in those circumstances too. That should help a lot, especially for any times of baby being upset and inconsolable for long periods.

Regarding your first point, that sounds very sensible.  Your "two variations of boobs" comment is hilarious to me, because the thing I wanted most when nursing was for there to be another pair of boobs in the house for my son! 

For the second point, there is no getting out of changing diapers.  She'll realize that and start changing them.  They are probably the least bad thing about parenting.  When your baby is older, you'll find yourself wishing for those lovely, breast milk only poops!

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« Reply #27 on: September 09, 2015, 08:06:01 PM »
One other option we have is to use a supplemental nursing system so baby could feed from her boobs but using my milk for 1-2 feeds after the first 6 weeks.  That might help avoid baby developing a preference for boob or bottle, if our LO is only being presented with two variations of boobs! 

I used an SNS (with formula in it) because of supply issues and found what we had (basically a syringe with a cord on it) phenomenally annoying to use.  You may have access to a better system, or a woman who hasn't recently given birth and isn't also trying to BF while dealing with undersupply and pumping may have the energy/emotional stamina to put up with one longer than I did when I was dealing with those circumstances. 

We also cloth diapered but, being blasee about such things, I did not know we were supposed to wash them separately with special detergent, etc., so I just threw them in with everything else and washed stuff altogether.  This worked fine for us.  Not to, you know, simplify your wife's role in all this, but that was our experience.

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« Reply #28 on: September 10, 2015, 10:10:57 AM »
This is all really great.  It's reassuring to hear people who didn't have trouble with nursing, since all I seem to read is about how hard it is and how so many people struggle. I agree with the people who've said that feeding vs. changing is not an even split!
Oh it sucked, I had major problems with it the first 6 weeks with both. Sobbing, crying pain, calls to the LC (who was too busy to come by).  Get yourself a pillow "My Brest Friend", it was a lifesaver with #2.

I also had issues with plugged ducts and mastitis, worse with #2 than #1.  I think pumping was part of it - I tended to have fewer issues on vacation when I just nursed.  But with #2 I would get a plugged duct every week, and nothing seemed to help much (turmeric, warm compresses, etc. etc.)  One day, at 8.5 months, i called the doc.  They never called me back.  It was a Friday.  I called FOUR TIMES.  Eventually got a nurse who made me an appointment for Monday, acting like it was no big deal.  (ANOTHER PLUGGED DUCT IT WAS AWFUL!!)

That Sunday I sent my hubby to the drug store for formula.  I stopped pumping during the day.  After about six weeks my son decided he was done (probably became too much work because my supply had gone down), so at 10 months he was weaned.  (My first kid was nursed over a year, no formula). 

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« Reply #29 on: September 10, 2015, 10:35:54 AM »
One other option we have is to use a supplemental nursing system so baby could feed from her boobs but using my milk for 1-2 feeds after the first 6 weeks.  That might help avoid baby developing a preference for boob or bottle, if our LO is only being presented with two variations of boobs! 

Even as a male I think I may end up using a Medela supplemental feeding system if/when I have kids. I'm in my ob/gyn rotation of nursing school right now and am learning more about breastfeeding. Apparently it's best to avoid even pacifiers for the first month or so, until the kid is thoroughly used to feeding via breast, after which point bottles could be less confusing. There's so much I've yet to learn.

Another option, but only if your partner is highly motivated, would be that both of you could potentially breast feed. While it's typically much easier for the person that just delivered the child, other parents can also breastfeed and there are resources available if so inclined.

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« Reply #30 on: September 10, 2015, 02:40:57 PM »
My spouse doesn't want to change diapers, and to be honest that isn't something I mind, so I think I'll end up doing that almost all the time.  We'll probably do cloth, so she is going to wash and dry the diapers, which seems like a bigger job to me than changing anyway. I think if baby is upset and it's not hunger, she can be in charge of soothing in those circumstances too. That should help a lot, especially for any times of baby being upset and inconsolable for long periods.

It is NOT a bigger job. While baby is exclusively breastfed, it's not so bad--you can just throw all the diapers in a pail or wetbag and wash them. BUT once baby starts solid food, the changing is just gross. See, at that stage you have to rinse off the poop before you can put the diaper in the washer. And that, my friend, is a dirty and unpleasant job.

It was also about 98% my job. My husband was also not so much with the diaper changing, especially the cloth ones. He did, of course, have to change the kids if I went out, or we had 2 16 months apart and sometimes they needed simultaneous changes. Your partner is going to have to change an occasional diaper, unless you're going to hire a nanny or stay in the baby's presence 24/7 for 2 to 3.5 years.

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Re: Parenting a newborn with two parents at home.
« Reply #31 on: September 12, 2015, 01:38:10 PM »
As a new mom of a very colicy baby I was exhausted for months. Baby refused bottle despite repeated attempts to introduce it starting at 2 weeks old. I had a massive milk supply ( could have fed triplets) so she'd only nurse for about 3 minutes on one side and then be done. This led to recurrent bouts of raging mastitis with aching breasts, temp of 104, and body aches like the flu. And she was a pooping machine! If my SO hadn't taken on the diaper changing I may have run away from home! She slept in the room with us and we were frequently awakened by the sound of her having a massive poop. Then she'd want to nurse then she'd poop again while nursing. She frequently gave my SO the "double play" dropping another deuce into a freshly changed diaper. Occasionally there was a triple play. But the night of the quad play my SO may have shed some tears. In hindsight we were both pretty pitiful, but I simply can't imagine getting through it without him on diaper duty. 

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« Reply #32 on: September 13, 2015, 07:19:00 PM »
You may have to wait and see how your milk supply ends up being.  If you can establish breastfeeding very well in the first few weeks, it will be easier to have your spouse give baby a nighttime bottle.  If this is possible, I think it will be good for you (uninterrupted sleep) and your spouse (cuddle time with baby).  I know a lot of people have posted negative experiences about pumping but just so you know, it can be easy for some people too.  Maybe consider renting a hospital grade pump?  Also, this may sound weird, but my husband sometimes helped with pumping (like the massaging to get more milk out).  He also washed pump parts.  I agree having your spouse baby wear and establish a nice routine of going for a walk in the afternoon while you nap is a good idea.  The bath time routine is also a nice idea.

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« Reply #33 on: September 15, 2015, 05:36:00 PM »
Congratulations on the incoming baby!

My thoughts are from the perspective of a single mom - expected to have a second mom, but divorce changed that. So a couple of thoughts for how SO might co-parent in the early days, based on what I noticed sorely missing without my wife on hand.

YMMV of course, especially based on the temperament of your kid. It's hard for me not to be totally colored by having had a pretty high-needs kid.

1. Every time you nurse, if SO is around, she should bring you a drink. I'm not talking about a martini here, settle down.
2. When baby finishes eating, and if you are not thrilled to keep holding him/her, SO holds baby
3. SO continues cleaning, and takes up all the cooking for a while, unless it's something that gives you joy/stress relief, etc.
4. You will have a lot of time sitting - probably easy to keep up your researching tasks
5. You may find your head for numbers gone temporarily (or head for any other number of things). Deep breath and delegate.
6. SO rubs your sore muscles and politely encourages you to rest and bathe.
7. Other baby care divvied up as desired - aside from the nursing and general holding, it's pretty minimal
8. Take pictures of each other, of baby, etc.
9. Track down your 3rd grade teacher and have her write thank-you cards - seriously, that one's a big job (my babe also arrived just before Christmas)

If this sounds too much like servitude, think of and look to culture that support a "lying-in" period for new moms post-partum. It's often a couple months / 40 days. Mom gets pampered. You need it. Pregnancy is physically exhausting, as is childbirth, as is lactation. You need soup. Cookies. Law and Order marathons.

I second others' suggestions to get in the habit of both wearing baby in a front carrier. I also second not pumping unless you have a really, really good reason. It's not easy. Lying down and nursing nearly around the clock is easier in someways. Baby might need to be 1-2 months old to get good at nursing lying down. I second suggestions to co-sleep to get more sleep, if you are comfortable with that. Do the research and use safe practices if you do.

Not from my own experience, but I've heard from some non-birth moms in SS couples that they feel like the nanny at first. It's probably not far off from how dads feel - not 100% obvious what to do when the tiny alien responds mainly to the breast. In all those cases, the non-birth moms bonded 100% with their kids and felt good after that initial 0-3 month period. The 0-3 month period is aptly described as the fourth trimester. The baby is out, but the birth mom and baby still operate as a physiological unit, if they are together. Non-birth moms have to prepare psychologically for that. If you decided to have that baby together, he or she belongs to both of you. Baby wouldn't be alive without SO, even without a genetic or gestational tie.

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« Reply #34 on: September 16, 2015, 08:06:59 AM »
In my opinion the best chance to make sure non-birth parent bonds with baby is immediately after birth. Baby is alert and peaceful, with open eyes. Birth mother is still getting rid of placenta (that is the weirdest-looking thing I have ever seen) and the other parent has a chance to stare into baby's eyes. It is the closest thing to magic I have every experienced. When I needed patience with a fart/burp that wouldn't come I thought back to that moment.

Pumping didn't work for my wife at all. If possible try to start nursing without a nipple shield - you'll become dependent on it and we had a weight problem with our girl until she and my wife figured it out without the shield. (We did some formula supplementing during this period as well.)

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« Reply #35 on: September 16, 2015, 08:56:15 AM »
Congratulations on the incoming baby!

My thoughts are from the perspective of a single mom - expected to have a second mom, but divorce changed that. So a couple of thoughts for how SO might co-parent in the early days, based on what I noticed sorely missing without my wife on hand.

YMMV of course, especially based on the temperament of your kid. It's hard for me not to be totally colored by having had a pretty high-needs kid.

1. Every time you nurse, if SO is around, she should bring you a drink. I'm not talking about a martini here, settle down.
2. When baby finishes eating, and if you are not thrilled to keep holding him/her, SO holds baby
3. SO continues cleaning, and takes up all the cooking for a while, unless it's something that gives you joy/stress relief, etc.
4. You will have a lot of time sitting - probably easy to keep up your researching tasks
5. You may find your head for numbers gone temporarily (or head for any other number of things). Deep breath and delegate.
6. SO rubs your sore muscles and politely encourages you to rest and bathe.
7. Other baby care divvied up as desired - aside from the nursing and general holding, it's pretty minimal
8. Take pictures of each other, of baby, etc.
9. Track down your 3rd grade teacher and have her write thank-you cards - seriously, that one's a big job (my babe also arrived just before Christmas)

If this sounds too much like servitude, think of and look to culture that support a "lying-in" period for new moms post-partum. It's often a couple months / 40 days. Mom gets pampered. You need it. Pregnancy is physically exhausting, as is childbirth, as is lactation. You need soup. Cookies. Law and Order marathons.

I second others' suggestions to get in the habit of both wearing baby in a front carrier. I also second not pumping unless you have a really, really good reason. It's not easy. Lying down and nursing nearly around the clock is easier in someways. Baby might need to be 1-2 months old to get good at nursing lying down. I second suggestions to co-sleep to get more sleep, if you are comfortable with that. Do the research and use safe practices if you do.

Not from my own experience, but I've heard from some non-birth moms in SS couples that they feel like the nanny at first. It's probably not far off from how dads feel - not 100% obvious what to do when the tiny alien responds mainly to the breast. In all those cases, the non-birth moms bonded 100% with their kids and felt good after that initial 0-3 month period. The 0-3 month period is aptly described as the fourth trimester. The baby is out, but the birth mom and baby still operate as a physiological unit, if they are together. Non-birth moms have to prepare psychologically for that. If you decided to have that baby together, he or she belongs to both of you. Baby wouldn't be alive without SO, even without a genetic or gestational tie.

+1 to All of this!!  I laughed at the Law & Order marathon comment particularly b/c my first mother's day was spent nursing in front of the tv as a L&O marathon (original series, of course) played all day--that was my gift.

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Re: Parenting a newborn with two parents at home.
« Reply #36 on: September 18, 2015, 07:31:24 AM »
We were both home for the first month, and for much of the next 5.  We initially split nights somewhat, but once we were good at getting our baby back to sleep after night feedings (check out the happiest baby on the block DVD!) my wife took nights, and I let her sleep during the day when possible.  As the non-nurser, I got really good at soothing, changing diapers, cooking, etc.  There is plenty to do other than nursing, and nursing is a full-time job, especially if it doesn't go 100% smooth.

It's great that you'll both be home!

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« Reply #37 on: September 21, 2015, 07:57:53 PM »
Wow LadyMa Whiskers!  That's totally what I meant to say, but you said it all perfectly and eloquently. 
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« Reply #38 on: September 22, 2015, 01:08:27 PM »
After reading that your wife is considering using an SNS system to nurse, has she considered inducing lactation? There are medications to help and sometimes just the suckling is enough. I have no experience with this as I nursed but I'm married to a man. Just an idea that I know some adoptive parents, and women from other cultures, have used successfully.

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Re: Parenting a newborn with two parents at home.
« Reply #39 on: September 23, 2015, 07:28:41 PM »
This idea of handing off the baby to be settled back to sleep after feeding sounds a lot better to me than my spouse getting a full night's sleep and me doing everything :)

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« Reply #40 on: September 23, 2015, 07:57:36 PM »
It's kind of nice if your spouse will get the crying baby and bring them to you.

But I found that after feeding, bebe was so groggy that putting him back to sleep was easy. You might as well let your wife rest.

If bebe is restless & you are exhausted, or still recovering from birth, that's a different story.

But I hope your bebe is good, and getting your wife up for 2 minutes is not worth it.

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« Reply #41 on: September 24, 2015, 07:18:48 AM »
You should check out the podcast The Longest Shortest Time. It's an incredibly honest look at parenting, how it changes our bodies, sex lives, friendships, how we relate to our partners, etc. The one with Dan Savage is really good, though mostly geared towards hetero-sex, but it does have a lot of applicable info about having sex while/after recovering from birth and parenting a baby.

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« Reply #42 on: September 27, 2015, 12:33:17 AM »
Since you seemed encouraged by tales of non-horrific breastfeeding, I'll offer this on sleep. Sometimes it's fine! The old adage of "sleep when the baby sleeps" is pretty maddening, but even if you can't nap, there is a bit of truth to it. I have felt like I actually got enough sleep from about 1 month post-partum until now (10mo baby), and this without a co-parent. My secret may be replicable in your household of no 9-5 jobs. I spend 10 hours in bed per night, and have since baby was born. I'm awake several times (still) but the total duration of sleep is adequate. This involves bedding down shortly after baby and waking only slightly before. Most people I know with babies consider this implausible, because the only time to see their spouse is after baby goes to bed. I am single, so that's not an issue. You may have no such issue, since you'll have time together during the day. This is not to say it's not tiring to care for a newborn, but it's not inevitable that you are deranged from lack of sleep.

I also personally found the horomones of breastfeeding seemed to make a whole new kind of energy cycling possible. I couldn't calculate a 20% tip in my head for about 4 months, but keeping in good spirits despite sleeping in 2-3 hours spans was, and remains, remarkably doable.

I offer this personal view as encouragement that you may find sleep more manageable than you expect, even without a carefully balanced division of night-labor. In full disclosure, my baby sleeps right next to my bed and my feet don't touch the floor in the ten hour night, and I think that makes a huge difference.

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« Reply #43 on: October 02, 2015, 10:11:46 AM »
Since you seemed encouraged by tales of non-horrific breastfeeding, I'll offer this on sleep. Sometimes it's fine! The old adage of "sleep when the baby sleeps" is pretty maddening, but even if you can't nap, there is a bit of truth to it. I have felt like I actually got enough sleep from about 1 month post-partum until now (10mo baby), and this without a co-parent. My secret may be replicable in your household of no 9-5 jobs. I spend 10 hours in bed per night, and have since baby was born. I'm awake several times (still) but the total duration of sleep is adequate. This involves bedding down shortly after baby and waking only slightly before. Most people I know with babies consider this implausible, because the only time to see their spouse is after baby goes to bed. I am single, so that's not an issue. You may have no such issue, since you'll have time together during the day. This is not to say it's not tiring to care for a newborn, but it's not inevitable that you are deranged from lack of sleep.

We basically do this, too.  I go to bed and read while my wife nurses our daughter (5 mos) down.  She wakes up to nurse a couple of times, and I get up (w/out waking them, hopefully) when I need to get ready for work.  They spend a couple more hours in bed.  It's worked great for us.

 

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