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Pandemic support thread
« on: May 30, 2020, 05:59:33 PM »
Can we just all commiserate a bit? This pandemic is so hard with kids! How has your life changed?

For the first time we have no summer vacations planned. We spend the entire day together since husband and I both work from home. Since the summer day camps are cancelled the kids have no childcare this summer. I ended up hiring a high school student to come over 3 mornings to play with the kids which has been great! This time has been hard!! When I read articles about social distancing at schools in China and Europe it makes me so sad! The kids sit 6 ft apart and eat lunch at their desks.

Is anyone planning to do something different for school or childcare because of Covid? We are thinking of getting a babysitter instead of sending our 2 youngest to preschool. I love the social and enrichment that they get at preschool but I’m concerned that it will be cancelled and then I’ll wish I had the babysitter lined up. I’ve also considered leaving my job to ease the pressure.

What are you guys doing? How’s it going with the kids at home?

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« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2020, 07:05:04 AM »
It's been mixed.

I have 3 boys - 5, almost 3, and 7mos. Prior to this, I worked from home maybe 2 or 3 times a year and now I've been about 80% WFH.

The best part of this, in the context of kids, is that I likely never would have had this opportunity (to spend every day with my kids at this age), barring a job loss. I'm too early into my career to have had any realistic opportunity to retire early/quit to be able to spend the days with them. I had sort of resigned myself to the fact that they'd all be teenagers before I had a real shot at it. It's been fun being able to play with them and my wife has gladly appreciated all the help I can provide (she's a SAHM).

Most of the 'good' kids-wise has been related to the above, but it's still also nice to have more flexibility when cooking and to have no commute.

On the flip side....

My and my wife's mental health has declined, significantly. There was a point a few weeks back where the baby was having a bad GI reaction to a food we were trying, and both the older boys were just not (well, they still aren't) sleeping when we put them to bed. Then at night they've been climbing into bed with us, so we went nearly 48 hours of constant interaction with our kids and much of it was redirecting them or breaking up arguments. They run hot so we got no sleep, and I can't begin to describe what it's like to completely lost those precious hours where we can just be adults/not have to think about our kids.

Our oldest has developed a troublesome separation anxiety, more than you would expect a 5 year old to develop. We have to be within his line of sight at all times and if we're not, he hunts us down or calls out for us. We're implementing a system to show him when we're not in the house without having to come find us crying and panicking, but it's a slow uptake. He feels like if he can't see us, that we've left the house (or wherever we are) without him. It's 100% quarantine related.

We have flouted quarantine a bit and started going over to my wife's parents' house, having my wife's sister come over, spending time with a local couple with kids our kids' age, and even having my parents (from the Detroit area) drive down and stay with us over memorial day weekend. I'll gladly take any heat that comes from that, but we had to make a choice - enlist help with our kids or suffer a worse mental health outlook.

Our kids, and kids in general, really need socialization and that's the thing they just cannot get with quarantine. Our oldest desperately needs to be playing with kids his age, not an irrational toddler and burnt out parents. So, we will absolutely be sending him to Kindergarten in the fall (assuming it's still on and in-person) and enlisting as many socialization activities as we can until then. He's being signed up for at least one summer camp (through our rec center) and maybe more. I don't know what we're going to do if Kindergarten is virtual, because he has the attention span of a flea so he's definitely not going to sit in a Zoom meeting daily with kids and a teacher he's never met.


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Re: Pandemic support thread
« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2020, 09:22:05 PM »
Yes, this has been hard! So hard. DH and I have been in a good position to deal with it, but it's taking a toll on everyone. I'm a SAHM; DH is WFH 100% and we have the space to accommodate a makeshift office for him, but I feel pressure to keep the house calm and quiet, especially when he's on the phone or zoom. We have a TON of parks and green spaces nearby so the kids and I go hiking, biking or swimming almost every day. One silver lining is that we've discovered a dozen wonderful new places to explore nature within 30 minutes of our house. That part is awesome, but it's exhausting work for me. I have to prep, pack and haul all the gear for my 4yo and 2yo (lunch, water, diapers, sun screen, bug spray, picnic blanket, hand sanitizer, towels, wet bag, etc etc etc), and run around after them in the ever-increasing heat for hours and hours each morning. Then unpack and clean everything when we get home.

The biggest loss for me has been the gym. I joined a gym last summer (thanks, in part, to encouragement from people on this forum because I was feeling overwhelmed) and it was a lifesaver. Being able to drop my kids at the gym childcare and take some time for self care (while they are AWAKE) has saved my sanity and been an important strategy for regulating my mood. That's gone and I don't know when it will return. I've switched to early morning runs which leaves me very tired by mid-afternoon.

One of my strategies for coping with the hot weather is indoor play places with climate control. We have a children's museum membership so we typically go there once a week and I usually pay for an indoor play place one day per week. Those options are gone and no clue when they will return. Same for splashpads and our neighborhood pool.

And to top it off, my 2 yo has started refusing naps, my spirited 4 yo has had a sleep regression during the past few months and a very difficult period of defiance/aggression/limit testing. We finally got word from our school district's early intervention department that they are referring him for a psych evaluation to look for emotional disturbance or possibly autism. They can't do the evaluation until they are cleared for face to face interactions so we're just sitting on that joyful news.

As I write this, I can feel my blood pressure and despair increasing. It's going to be a long summer.

We are starting to do more with grandparents and friends who live in the neighborhood. A county just to the north of us has apparently reopened playgrounds, so we will brave the dirty looks and go play there, especially since the risk of outdoor surface infection has been proven to be quite low. I've also bought some Magnatiles and a wooden train set for my son in the hopes that they will buy me a few hours of peace at home. We've managed to keep screen time to a minimum (less than 30 minutes a day) which I think is heroic given the circumstances. We're planning to send DS to preschool in the fall and DD in the spring after she turns 3.


Our oldest has developed a troublesome separation anxiety, more than you would expect a 5 year old to develop. We have to be within his line of sight at all times and if we're not, he hunts us down or calls out for us.


Interesting to read this. My neighbor has a 6yo DD who is experiencing the same thing. My theory is that their separation muscles have gone completely soft with both parents home 24/7 and no opportunity for school, daycare, camp, sports, etc.

I hope everyone hangs in there. We can do this, one day at a time!

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Re: Pandemic support thread
« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2020, 11:21:30 PM »
Small children don’t understand what’s going on and are missing their activities and friends. Plus everyone is anxious and they can feel it.  So sad.

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Re: Pandemic support thread
« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2020, 11:59:39 PM »
Posting to follow. I have a 5 year old and a 3 year old and I'm a high school teacher. My husband is a social worker. We've been trying to parent and WFH and it's definitely had its ups and downs but nothing compared with the posts I just read here.

We live in uber expensive Honolulu so we're in a tiny condo with no yard, which is rough with little kids, but on the upside we go to the beach several times a week (beaches have been open the whole quarantine), so I can't really complain.

Thankfully the school year ends this week and then I get six weeks to just be a SAHM. Our trip to see family on the mainland this summer is canceled, which is a bummer but again...we get to stay on Oahu, one of the most beautiful places on earth, so I'm not complaining too hard.

Hawaii is a good place to raise kids in the middle of a pandemic, I think is what I'm saying here. But yeah, two full time jobs + two little kids + no childcare = pretty hard.

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Re: Pandemic support thread
« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2020, 08:42:12 AM »
Our kids are a bit older than most of yours (just finished K and 2nd grade), but our mental health is also shot. They just aren't quite old enough/the right personality type to keep themselves safely entertained for more than 30 minutes at a time.

We are lucky that we both have jobs and can work from home. And even luckier that DH's job has very few hard deadlines. I am higher risk for COVID so aren't comfortable hiring outside child care at this point.

I don't know if this will help anyone but this is how we have been handling life since my DH's classes ended in May:
We are actually structuring our day like a home summer camp. Each week has a theme and each day has indoor and outdoor activities, an art project, a themed snack, a movie to watch, and a pile of books to choose from. DH is running the majority of it and I'm taking time in the afternoon to join them for the outdoor activity while DH returns phone calls/important emails.

It is hard (like a whole other part time job- hard), but it has also been working for us for the last couple of weeks. The kids are mentally and physically exhausted enough that they have started to sleep better again.

The last couple of weeks of school it was still cold and StarHus and I weren't great about getting them out because we were so busy. The kids weren't falling asleep until after 11 each night and it was just like reliving the preschool years (our kids were horrible sleepers until they turned 6, and with both it was like a switch flipped for them).

I am happy to share our summer camp plans if people would like ideas!

Also, we haven't really seen anyone but each other since March 12 and we are all just sick of each other :)

My dad is currently presumed positive for COVID, but once he and my mom are clear we are hoping they stay away from people long enough for us to make the trip to see them. It would be so lovely to spend time with other people.
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« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2020, 03:03:32 PM »
Thanks for starting this thread. Solidarity! It's been rough. I have to laugh at the sanctimonious comments I have received or seen other working parents receive about how "homeschooling families do this all the time so why is this such a struggle?", "why can't your kid play independently all day long?", and "let go of your screen time rules, relax, it won't hurt them to play on the computer all day". Maybe these comments are helpful for some people, but they don't help me. It's an impossible task to do a good job of working full time while caring for our children. I'm not doing well at either. I suppose parents who homeschool and work full time have designed their lives and careers in a way that makes it work. In this situation, the childcare and education system dropped away suddenly, and there is no Plan B. The summer day camp my child was enrolled in was cancelled, and I'm concerned about covid risk with groups of kids anyway. Even if I had parents or other family members to help, it wouldn't be wise with the covid risk. I don't have a partner to help, so I can't tag-team.  While my son is at his dad's for a few days, I'm coming up with my own plans for a somewhat structured at-home summer camp that will hopefully let me get my work done and attend all the zoom meetings I have to do. And trying to get as many of my assignments done as I can before kid returns.

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« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2020, 03:25:46 PM »
OMG I just found this thread and thank you so much for starting it. Today was a particularly hard day in our household, so I was really needing just such an avenue to vent.

Like many, we are two working (WFH currently) people. We have two boys who reaaaaally struggle to get along under NORMAL circumstances. Now they've been stuck together for what? I don't even know how many weeks.... 12 possibly more? And we basically have to ignore them for most of the day because we're working. I feel so guilty, especially for my little guy who will be turning 6 soon. Today he was trying to engage me in conversation for like 90 minutes while I was desperately trying to bang out an urgent deliverable. "Yeah?.... Oh....? Mmmmmhmmmmm...."

The 9 year old is so bored, so he entertains himself by antagonizing his brother all day, which basically results in much yelling from me and my husband. I've never been a yeller and am very opposed to that kind of parenting, so this is definitely NOT a good sign.

Yeesh! Writing all that felt good and I hope we all hang in there. Anybody's summer daycamp open? Ours is, and I was hesitating sending them, but after reading all the safety precautions, rules and regs they are implementing, we've decided to go for it mainly to save our sanity. Only 1 and a half more weeks....

Good luck all!

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Re: Pandemic support thread
« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2020, 05:23:11 AM »
I will add to my original comment that we did, indeed, relax screen time (and also reign it in). Both boys have Kindle tablets which are great for curating specific content for their age groups. Under 'normal' circumstances (me at work, all 3 boys + wife at home) the boys would have ~2 hours of screen time a day which mainly affords my wife an opportunity to do baby-related things. Right now they're edging closer to 4 hours a day and we're pretty much okay with that for as long as this quarantine lasts. Before this, they could all go to the park/tiny town/library/etc. but since all of that's closed, the Kindles really help keep them focused/distracted to allow my wife to take care of necessary things.

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« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2020, 07:42:55 AM »
Today he was trying to engage me in conversation for like 90 minutes while I was desperately trying to bang out an urgent deliverable. "Yeah?.... Oh....? Mmmmmhmmmmm...."


I am frankly impressed that you are able to mumble at your child while also doing work! I just sort of stare dumbly at my computer, while also poorly parenting, and then stay up until the wee hours to actually get work done.

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« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2020, 08:32:22 AM »
Summer camps will be open in my area and I started signing them up ASAP.  It's been impossible to keep the kids away from the neighbor kids on both side of our house.  Us parents kept them in respective yards for a while but eventually gave up because everyone was going a little insane.

The grandparents, in their 70s, are honestly the biggest issue right now.  They are hopeless at understanding the spread or their risk and maintaining social distancing with family members who don't live with them.  They want regular, normal visits with the kids, and they are constantly annoyed or overwrought about our boundaries. For a while I was patient and sympathetic.  After months of this, I'm just tired and I've reached my limit of trying to make them feel ok about everything when they make it so damn difficult.

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« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2020, 11:42:08 AM »
Today he was trying to engage me in conversation for like 90 minutes while I was desperately trying to bang out an urgent deliverable. "Yeah?.... Oh....? Mmmmmhmmmmm...."

I just sort of stare dumbly at my computer

Oh Starbright, YOU KNOW I've got the dumb computer stare perfected.

For tasks that require extreme concentration I lean on earbuds. Pop those puppies in my ears, shake my head at my poor child, point to my ears, and mouth the words, "Very important call." Be careful with this one though - I've found that overuse will lead to diminished efficacy.

May the parenting gods have mercy upon my soul!

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« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2020, 01:47:38 PM »
Summer camps will be open in my area and I started signing them up ASAP.  It's been impossible to keep the kids away from the neighbor kids on both side of our house.  Us parents kept them in respective yards for a while but eventually gave up because everyone was going a little insane.

Summer camp started this Monday for our 8 year old and let me tell you that it has made a world of difference. Before camp started he would pester my wife who is WFH all day. He would spend most of his time looking at a screen since my wife was busy with work and we could tell it was impacting his behavior. Since Monday we have already seen an improvement in his behavior. Less time on a screen, listens and follows direction much better, sleep has improved, and he is starting to be that silly 8 year old that I know. Kids are resilient, but a return to normalcy needs to happen quickly.

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« Reply #13 on: June 05, 2020, 08:04:12 AM »
This has definitely been challenging.  The night they shut down schools here, I hired a part-time nanny.  My kids are 6 (Kindergarten) and 4.  I already worked from home, and while my job is pretty great and not super stressful, I can't do it (well) while taking care of my kids (well).  My husband has continued to work in his office (he works by himself).  I've got help about 20 hours a week.  The nanny is a teacher, so she's handling home schooling.  Camps are mostly cancelled so we will continue this all summer and who knows beyond that.  I miss having a quiet house to myself, and I really miss my gym, but I'm able to get my work done knowing my kids are doing great stuff that I don't have to manage.  It allows me time to work out everyday.  I know I am very fortunate, but it is honestly still challenging. 

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« Reply #14 on: June 08, 2020, 04:04:43 PM »
Glad I found this thread.  This is hard.  My kids are 14 and 7, so just finished 8th and 2nd.  Big kid can keep himself occupied, but it's pretty much just Fortnite.  Little one cannot.  This is day 1 of "summer camp" (school ended last Weds), and we will see how it goes.  We are trying to limit them to 4 hours a day of electronics (but shhh...I'm happy with 6).

This week's summer camp theme is cooking.  Each kid needs to learn to make a breakfast, lunch, dinner, and dessert.  In addition, they have to get an hour of exercise, an hour of reading.  Minus the 4 hours of electronics, they are just going to have to figure it out.  Husband and I are both working from home and we really can't focus with the 7yo, who is either on electronics or needs attention.  Except he's fine to go into the kiddie pool.

Today the teen spent his time exercising with the hubby (that's a battle), and then he slept for 2 hours.  Growing, allergy attack, who knows?  As soon as the little one finishes his last hour of electronics, he'll be bugging us again.  We seem to get a lot done from 4 to 6 pm, because when it was "school", that's when they were allowed on electronics.

Our summer camp themes include:
Adventure (we are taking 2 days off next week, so: hiking, beach, kayaking)
Walk (we will go for a family long, longer one, every day)
Water (beach, water gun fights, pool)
Volleyball (probably just in our back yard)
Lego
Programming (something free I'm sure)
Art (a lot of online art programs available)
Tech (my husband signed up for a monthly thing where they send a tech kit each month)
Bicycling (need to get the 7yo better, first)
Puzzles (jigsaw)
Games (family games)

We also started a book club with the teenager.  First up: Ready Player One.


Actually, I really like the idea of other kinds of themes, like Hawaiian, or Harry Potter, or Star Wars. 

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« Reply #15 on: June 09, 2020, 07:10:17 AM »
This whole thing has me feeling like I'm not doing good enough.  My daughter is 4 and I've barely done any of the structured activities her preschool  teachers have been kind enough to send.  I just had her practice her writing her name for the first time in months.  I'm not reading to her enough.  I'm barely keeping up with the house.  My only success is that work is busy and I've actually managed to put in extra hours.  But then I just feel guilty about that since I could've used that time with my daughter. 
 
I'm attempting to make and stick to a daily schedule that would have more of the activities I want.  Even though our state is starting to open up again, I have no idea if/when the schools will reopen.  I feel like I need to finally accept this as a new normal and not just take it day by day. 

Thanks for letting me vent.

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« Reply #16 on: June 26, 2020, 03:05:51 PM »
How's everyone holding up?  I admit, I totally lost it today.  Younger boy is 7, almost 8.  He fucking argues with us about doing everything.  EVERYTHING.  We are both working FT at home.  We try to break up the day to interact with him...legos, lunch, walks, games.  But he argues.  I. just. cannot. anymore.  I just CANNOT argue with you for 30 minutes before you will agree to do ANYTHING.  I don't care if I can get 3 hours straight work done if you are watching You Tube every afternoon.  You aren't getting it.  From now on, you listen.  You argue about starting the "next thing", done, no electronics of any kind whatsoever for the rest of the day.  (punishing myself, I know).  Literally trying to get him to go for a 20 minute walk takes 50 minutes...30 minutes of arguing first. 

I KNOW my first kid went through this same phase, but I swear it was later (11?)

I went for an angry walk by myself. 

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« Reply #17 on: June 27, 2020, 05:43:47 AM »
How's everyone holding up?  I admit, I totally lost it today.  Younger boy is 7, almost 8.  He fucking argues with us about doing everything.  EVERYTHING.  We are both working FT at home.  We try to break up the day to interact with him...legos, lunch, walks, games.  But he argues.  I. just. cannot. anymore.  I just CANNOT argue with you for 30 minutes before you will agree to do ANYTHING.  I don't care if I can get 3 hours straight work done if you are watching You Tube every afternoon.  You aren't getting it.  From now on, you listen.  You argue about starting the "next thing", done, no electronics of any kind whatsoever for the rest of the day.  (punishing myself, I know).  Literally trying to get him to go for a 20 minute walk takes 50 minutes...30 minutes of arguing first. 

I KNOW my first kid went through this same phase, but I swear it was later (11?)

I went for an angry walk by myself.

Having the same issue with my normally kind, sweet 14 year old. She normally is awesome and a great student. But it has gone downhill during this. Everyday was a battle to log in for class and do some basic chores around the house. I am so glad that school is over here. I have been making her ride her bike for at least an hour everyday weather permitting, which has made some difference but not alot.

Most of my family are teachers and they say they are hearing the same thing from parents all over the country. I have no words of wisdom, just know that you are not the only one.

I truly hope and pray that school opens up in August.

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« Reply #18 on: June 27, 2020, 04:57:51 PM »
There was at least one 10 minute panic/anxiety attack in our household with included hyperventilating and spotty vision. All related to the fear that we have no idea when this is going to end and despite our risk that we take, a fear that our generation (millennial) is going to fuck us all over.

Our 5 year old and 2 year old are at each others' throats - doesn't matter where: home, the park, on walks, at the pool. Constantly fighting and each throws such a temper tantrum when the other gets their way.

We've got travel plans (socially distanced and away from crowds) but it's so disheartening to think that they could fall through before we can leave.

So yeah, not a great start getting into July.

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« Reply #19 on: June 28, 2020, 08:07:08 AM »
Just chiming in to say we are still a mess here! My kids are constantly fighting. Summer camp announced they will not be opening at all this summer so here we are.

We moved grandparent visit plans up because I was getting nervous about the covid situation for July. My parents both tested negative last week and we dropped oldest kid off with them yesterday. It was 100% worth the 9 hours in the car.

Our home summer camp has kept our kids relatively busy and entertained but my husband and I are absolutely burning the candle at both ends. I'm starting to panic about fall because it looks like my husband may have to spend extended hours on his campus (to handle multiple sections of smaller class sizes) but the kids may only be in school two days a week.

Trying not to get too worked up because things can change quickly and we are supposed to get the official word on school in two weeks. It has changed twice since the summer began.

I try to remind myself that in March I didn't think I would make it to May and here we are at the end of June and we're still making it work.

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« Reply #20 on: June 28, 2020, 02:57:23 PM »
I try to remind myself that in March I didn't think I would make it to May and here we are at the end of June and we're still making it work.

This.  I keep being surprised at how long it's been since school closed.  Without a complete breakdown, even!

Our schools are supposed to be allowed to open on July 1st, but we haven't heard from our daughter's particular school if they've decided to have their summer program or not.  So for now, I'm planning on having her home the whole summer.  It's draining, since I need to get my work done in the evenings and weekend more, since normally I'd work while she's at school.  Major props to those who are working and taking care of their kids at the same time; I don't think I could do it. 

It feels like my daughter is having more tantrums (she's four).  I can't quite tell if they've actually increased or it just feels that way because we're around each other all the time now.  They're not too bad in terms of length or intensity, but it's just one more thing.  Other than that, we're doing ok.  I've got more of a cleaning schedule back and she's been very happy about a letter tracing book we got her to practice writing. 

 

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