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Teaching your Kids about Money
« on: February 17, 2012, 12:27:11 PM »
What do you do to teach your kids to be responsible with money?

Our son is still young (he's 6), but I think you can start teaching them pretty early.  Here are the things we've done so far:

- lead by example (this is probably the best thing you can do)
- have no-gift birthday parties, but make sure they still feel special by making the day about them.  Give them one special gift from you.
- have simplified holidays/Christmas
- give an allowance - we have a magnet responsibility chart and our son earns $0.10 per magnet.  He once spent several months saving $40 for a special toy he wanted.
- do free activities: spend time in parks, friend's houses, the library, etc. and set an expectation that paying for things is not the way to more fun.
- try to bike everywhere and when we take the car, we explain why a car is needed (he's even tells us that we should bike instead of drive sometimes!)
- spend lots of time outdoors, gardening, hiking, etc.
- try to reward him with our time, instead of with things
- get him involved in donations and giving things away (like his old toys)

As he gets older, we'll do more with him.  I know MMM wants to involve him in building projects as well as possibly renovating a house with him to help pay for college (if he's interested).  I'd like to teach him about investing by starting an investment account for him when he's old enough.

What do you do or what ideas do you have?

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« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2012, 02:06:16 PM »
No kids yet here (in a few years), but I really like the Money Savvy Pig:

http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2007/06/06/the-money-savvy-pig-a-piggy-bank-for-the-21st-century/

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« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2012, 12:25:25 PM »
I am with you Mrs MM.  I think the best way to teach them is to lead by example.  We also try to include them on money decisions.  Over time they have figured out how to save money and still get what they want

Example:After we once took the kids to the local ice-cream parlor as a special treat they decided that for the same price we could buy a box of 18 cones and 4 1/2 gallons of ice cream for the same price as five single scoops at the parlor.  Or for the same price we could spend the entire day at our local pool with water slides and a wave pool.  They decided that we didn't need to go out for ice-cream any longer.

We expect them to do basic household chores as being part of the family unit without being paid (I've been a SAHM for 12 years and haven't received any money, lol), but for extra tasks they get paid.  Once they have worked hard to make their own money they spend a geat deal of ime thinking before they consider spending it.  Often they add it to their own growing stashes.

Now that they are older it is time to teach them more about growing the money.  Plus, I mayjust learn something new along with them.


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« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2012, 06:08:26 AM »
That piggy is great!
My kids are having trouble grasping the concepts of money. Mostly because I don't like to have cash around and because I don't often physically give them cash to handle. I keep a ledger for them and show them the balance. Last week I took DS to the toy store and we checked his ledger for the amount he could spend and I gave him the money in cash just for the trip. I just don't trust kids with something so dear. I should though. It's hard for me.

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« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2012, 07:25:19 AM »
I love your list Mrs.MM :-)

Leading by example ad simplifying are so key.  Right now with a 2 year old we focus on simply being responsible ourselves, spending a lot of time with him, and teaching him to respect his possession (and ours!!).

Mr. MEJG and I have a list of things either our parents did or our friend's parents did that we mull over for future and more complicated financial education.

1) Allowance.  We want to give an allowance that will be the "fun money" for our children and will not be linked to chores.  We believe that chores are part of being a family, not a job.  We may have chores that are not expected that could earn children bonuses.  We plan on explaining that Mom and Dad get fun money from the budget too, and it's all we have to spend on non-necessary items too (this is true, we have fun money in the budget).  We'll start with once a week and by high school move to monthly so they can better learn to budget.  The amount has yet to be decided (we're a few years away) but it will probably be substantial once they are in high school, and may or may not include categories of spending other than just fun money (Clothing, activity money etc).

2) Enforced savings.......  this one gets complicated and we don't yet know which way we will go
* 50% of everything they are given or make goes to us and we keep it for the future.  My parents did this and we got out 50% when we went away to college.  They related this to taxation and also teaching us NOT to spend what we earned (Savings).  I know that this was in a plain old savings account and didn't really make much interest.
* Charge rent once the child has a job- this was a friend of mine.  She was charged a percentage of her paychecks while she lived at home and it was all put into a fund for a down payment her mother managed.  She even put in extra on an irregular basis.  So she knew it was "rent" for living at time but also saving for HER future home.  She had over $30,000 in that account when she and her hubby went to buy their first home.
* Or use something like the Money Saving pig....

3) Monetary responsibilities.
* We won't buy any children personal cars, and they will pay a part of their insurance premiums once we have to insure them because they have drivers licenses.
* No cell phones until they are driving and then they will pay for their line on a family plan.  Free or cheapest phone on the plan or they can pay the difference.
* Anything they damage of ours property wise or others property wise will be paid or worked off by them (within reason), like a broken window.

4) We will probably chart their finances with them through something like Mint or a home version so we can watch everything together once a month - once they are old enough for this to be valuable.

5) Roth IRA - once they have earned income (if we are financially able, and I sure hope we will be in 13 years!!)  We will probably help each child open a Roth IRA and contribute either the whole amount OR a 50% match with them.  My father did this with me and it was incredibly helpful for inspiring me to learn more about money and investing. Contributions or matching to continue until they have their first "real" job or hit 25 whichever is sooner.

6)  College: I stated our view in the other thread, but basically we want to pay for tuition room and board but may not be able to.  Our other option, which we may choose anyhow, is to pay a set amount for each child and if they run out they must finance the rest.

7) Monetary help stops at 25 (pre-frontal lobe maturation) - other than emergencies or loans on a case by case basis.

We plan on teaching about charity and donations a lot too- but view this as part of a picture much larger than money.  We want to donate older toys and clothing and also spend time participating in helping out others (soup kitchens, habitat for humanity, maybe mission trips - not to preach but to build houses or donate time).




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Re: Teaching your Kids about Money
« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2012, 09:35:09 AM »
Great thread and great ideas! Thank you for sharing, everyone!

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« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2012, 10:14:09 AM »
I love all these ideas!  Thanks for contributing everyone -- keep them coming!  I think as children age, so do the strategies.

Melissa - your story about going out for ice cream is awesome!  My kid also comes up with these revelations sometimes and it's nice to see them making those connections.

The idea of enforced savings is an interesting one... somehow I can't see ever charging my kid rent, but I know a lot of parents do it.

I also agree about not buying kids stuff when they are older (cell phones, cars, etc.).  I also think that teaching about donations and giving is important too.  Particularly giving away your stuff when you're done with it so that someone else can get some use out of it.

One thing that is mentioned my MEJG is to remove the "mystery" about money, which I really like.  When I was a kid, my parents never talked about money in front of me.  I didn't know how much our mortgage was or how much salary my parents made... it was all sort of secret.  I love the idea of showing your kids how it all works (with Mint) or just talking about it a bit more and keeping that conversation open.  Kids can grasp these things at a very young age.  It's quite surprising.  Our son looked at Mint with me recently (he loved the animated pie charts), but I think he was also surprised at how much we spend on things (like groceries for example).

On the ING site, there's a fun game for kids about money... I can't remember what it's called now, but our son played it and it teaches you about all kinds of things.

I really like the idea of that piggy bank too.  The 4 categories are great!  I probably would make my own version at home with labelled cans or something like that, since I don't really like to buy things.  :)  Also, our son likes to take out his money and count it and play with it, and these days he prefers bills to coins (it used to be the opposite until he learned about the power of bills!).

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« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2012, 10:53:13 AM »
I really like the idea of that piggy bank too.  The 4 categories are great!  I probably would make my own version at home with labelled cans or something like that, since I don't really like to buy things.  :)  Also, our son likes to take out his money and count it and play with it, and these days he prefers bills to coins (it used to be the opposite until he learned about the power of bills!).

Agreed.  Four jars is the Mustachian version.  :)

To me, the power of compound interest is amazing, so I would teach my child that early on, and show them the impact and help them open an account they can access online to view balances and see it growing.
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« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2012, 01:26:19 PM »
The idea of enforced savings is an interesting one... somehow I can't see ever charging my kid rent, but I know a lot of parents do it.

This is one we go back and forth on a lot.  We will have some form of enforced savings, we're just not sure of the amount and how it will be structured.  On the one hand 50% of everything I was given or made was a lot of money (at the time).  And it certainly kept me from buying my own car.

On the other if it is that you owe your parents a set amount a month while you work then the more you work the more you have yourself to save or spend.  The return on your time can be greater.  My friend's who had it structured this way ended up working a lot more and eventually had a hefty down payment saved.

We'll see how it goes. 

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« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2012, 09:21:41 AM »
I don't have any kids, but some of the things my parents did for me that helped teach me about money:

- Encouraged me to save from a young age, including a cool looking piggy bank (it was an old biscuit tin shaped to look like an English phone box)
- After I opened my first savings account, to further encourage savings and illustrate the benefits of compound interest, my parents would double anything I had in my account each year on my birthday (this formed the basis of my college savings account)
- Each year, we had a $100 budget for clothing at the beginning of the school year, and the same again for Christmas presents. This meant we learned to budget our money and seek out deals.
- I don't recall getting birthday gifts. Instead, we were allowed to pick out a box of crappy sugar laden cereal or some sort of sweet/treat we weren't allowed the rest of the year and would also go out for a nice dinner with the family. I also remember my dad doing my chores for the day (like loading or unloading the dishwasher) if they needed doing on my birthday.
- I was informed I was expected to cover my own college expenses from a young age, and was therefore reminded of the benefits of good grades, savings and getting involved with volunteer work to help with scholarship opportunities. My parents did ultimately help with some of my college expenses, but only did so in my last 2 years of college, rather than the first 2, when I might be less motivated or likely to graduate.
- I was paid for extra jobs around the house (I know this is a hot topic). We had chores we were expected to do, but I could earn extra money periodically by helping to pull weeds, shovel snow, extra cleaning, etc. Some of my siblings also paid me to do their chores (like cleaning the bathroom), which they didn't like doing. When I was a little older, my mom also paid me to help out in her (home) office, doing things like writing checks, filing and balancing her accounts.
- I was also encouraged to volunteer my free time from a young age to give back to the community. Starting around 10 yrs old, I helped out at our library, church and a local retirement home. I later started helping out at my sister's office (a start up title insurance company), just doing filing and answering phones. Not only did I enjoy helping them out, it turned into my first paid job as soon as I could get a work permit, when I was promoted to escrow assistant (balancing mortgage figures and preparing paperwork for closings). It was nice to avoid the usual teenage first job at McDonalds and meant I had better paid office jobs during my college years.
- My parents did contribute toward my first car, but told me well in advance that they would only contribute a set dollar amount, and that I would be expected to illustrate enough financial responsibility in advance to show that I could cover gas and insurance.
- I also knew I'd be paying my own living expenses during college. For most of my time as a student, I was renting a house from my mom at a discounted rate (basically just covering her expenses).

Overall, I felt like I had a pretty good grip on financial responsibility as a young adult, and had a lot of valuable experience my peers didn't. Because my parents had both been successfull financially and professionally, they were conscious if they behaved like 'normal Americans', my siblings and I might be spoiled and not understand the value of money or work. They made a conscious effort to not cater to our every whim, but also did a great job of showing us hard work could pay off with things like a nice home or opportunities to see the world. I feel like all the opportunities they gave me - like doubling my account and discounting my rent - helped ease me into adulthood and financial independence.
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« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2012, 10:38:17 AM »

I really like the idea of that piggy bank too.  The 4 categories are great!  I probably would make my own version at home with labelled cans or something like that, since I don't really like to buy things.  :)  Also, our son likes to take out his money and count it and play with it, and these days he prefers bills to coins (it used to be the opposite until he learned about the power of bills!).


I found something similar online call MoonJar - http://www.moonjar.com/  - Same concept, but without the "Invest" portion.  However, my daughter is 5 going on 6, and I think invest is a little beyond her at the moment...in fact, I haven't entirely figured out "invest" yet!  (getting there, though).

I'm like you Mrs. MM, I'm not about to buy something like that.  We decided to save a few old Trader Joe's coffee cans and turn them into "Spend" "Save" and "Share" banks, which we let her decorate first with paint and stickers.  When allowance day rolls around, she gets to split up her money as she sees fit, although lately she's just been wanting to take it and spend it almost immediately, which I'm going to have a word with her about. 

I make a point of giving her cash and letting her break it up as she sees fit, which makes it tangible to see in the jar.  I figured this would also help parallel what she's learning about money in kindergarten.

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« Reply #11 on: March 04, 2012, 06:24:25 PM »
However, my daughter is 5 going on 6, and I think invest is a little beyond her at the moment...in fact, I haven't entirely figured out "invest" yet!  (getting there, though).

Monopoly is an excellent game for teaching your kids about money.  If they borrow from the bank or mortgage a property, make sure you enforce the rule about paying the bank interest.  Then, you just say that it works the same way if you lend the money to someone else.  Tada!  Not exactly the same as investing, but pretty close.

They also learn to count money, figure out change, learn about property taxes, negotiation, etc.  My son learned long ago that the easiest way to win the game is to own board walk and park place and then save money for hotels.  If one of us has either of these properties, he will bargain ruthlessly for them. 

So, thanks to this game, our 6-year old son understands the idea of the bank charging interest.  We also explained to him people are charged interest on their mortgage since they are borrowing money from the bank.  We talk to him pretty openly about money.  They can learn a lot at this age - it's amazing.  He also knows way more about space and planets than I do!  :)

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« Reply #12 on: March 19, 2012, 12:12:17 PM »
We have a long way to go, but we shop only at thrift stores for games, toys, books and clothes (for the most part).  As a result they haven't developed a "name brand" thing, and we also don't watch commercials.

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« Reply #13 on: March 20, 2012, 11:23:46 AM »
Monopoly is an excellent game for teaching your kids about money.

That sounds like a great idea. And for general frugality principles, we could create our own version of The Game of Life.

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« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2012, 11:55:23 AM »
Here's an interesting article from CNN about helping raise a money-wise kid.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/17/opinion/granderson-son-debit-card/index.html?hpt=hp_c2

For those who don't want to bother with the article the synopsis is as follows:  the author got his teenage son a debit card, and apparently the kid got embarrassment about having insufficient funds at the register a time or two which sparked a dormant frugality-muscle into gear.


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« Reply #15 on: April 23, 2012, 12:04:27 PM »
Here's an interesting article from CNN about helping raise a money-wise kid.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/17/opinion/granderson-son-debit-card/index.html?hpt=hp_c2

For those who don't want to bother with the article the synopsis is as follows:  the author got his teenage son a debit card, and apparently the kid got embarrassment about having insufficient funds at the register a time or two which sparked a dormant frugality-muscle into gear.

I wonder how often that would work. You also hear stories about people who have paid thousands of dollars in overdraft fees in a relatively short period of time... Maybe how one reacts to the first couple of insufficient funds notices is an indication of how s/he will handle his/her money in the future.

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« Reply #16 on: May 02, 2012, 12:40:19 PM »

- give an allowance - we have a magnet responsibility chart and our son earns $0.10 per magnet.  He once spent several months saving $40 for a special toy he wanted.

You know... there's an incredible body of research out there on kids and delayed gratification.  That event alone is enough to show your son is on his way to the Mustachian way of life.

The only bit of advice I could offer (no kids of my own) is to get them started on banking as soon as possible.  No reason they shouldn't have an online account with their own debit card.  With how fluently kids use the internet these days, that could only help them.

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« Reply #17 on: May 03, 2012, 02:39:04 PM »

- give an allowance - we have a magnet responsibility chart and our son earns $0.10 per magnet.  He once spent several months saving $40 for a special toy he wanted.

You know... there's an incredible body of research out there on kids and delayed gratification.  That event alone is enough to show your son is on his way to the Mustachian way of life.

The only bit of advice I could offer (no kids of my own) is to get them started on banking as soon as possible.  No reason they shouldn't have an online account with their own debit card.  With how fluently kids use the internet these days, that could only help them.

Yeah, we do want to get him a bank account, but for now he is having trouble parting with his money.  When I suggested it (and explained the possible interest), it was a no go.  :)  He likes to count his money and keep track of how much he has saved so far.  Plus, it's helping him learn how to count money.

I think over time the chart will need to evolve -- I find that too much rewarding can have a negative effect (surprisingly!).  Then kids end up expecting something all the time.  It definitely takes a lot of thinking and planning when you have kids!  :)

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I think over time the chart will need to evolve -- I find that too much rewarding can have a negative effect (surprisingly!).  Then kids end up expecting something all the time.  It definitely takes a lot of thinking and planning when you have kids!

There's a large body of psychological research on this (initially in behaviorist models on rewards, in the post-cognitive science revolution on the topic of intrinsic and extrinsic motivation).  The upshot--especially for children- is that extrinsic motivation (e.g., stickers, money, praise) can trump the value of the pleasure in or sense of accomplishment at the task.  That doesn't mean external rewards shouldn't be used--but be used with care.  It seems it works best when a) the task wouldn't otherwise initially be done, b)rewards are used as a "bridge" to developing a habit--so when you frame a chart, payment system etc. it can be explicitly framed as "this is to help encourage you to learn to do x"  rather than "this is a reward for doing x"  (as parents we tend to do this naturally with praise--e.g., you don't keep praising a child for using the potty after it becomes second nature), c) nominal (the value of the reward doesn't overshadow any values inherent in the actual doing of the task)--though what is nominal with kids can be tricky and highly individual.

If you don't care about developing intrinsic motivation (e.g., valuing the emotions or outcomes that arise from doing the task itself), a variable system of rewards is most likely to keep it in motion--you don't reward every time--but on a fairly unpredictable pattern (but often enough to be associated with the task) and to varying degrees.  This is the reward system employed by casinos...

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« Reply #19 on: May 16, 2012, 08:33:08 PM »
One thing I remember from when I was young.

My parents always paid the grocery bill with cash, and it was our job as kids to check the change, and make sure we hadn't been overcharged for any items before leaving the store.

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« Reply #20 on: July 24, 2012, 07:53:13 PM »
Hi, I'm new on this board (although I have been enjoying the blog for a while) I have two boys-6 and 7. Here's a few things that work in our home:

1. I give them an allowance. They each get $5 per week (which I find a bit too much but many experts suggest giving a dollar for each year of their lives which is kooky to me-too much scratch for my goobers)

They must put 10% into their 'teenager account' when they question this I tell them they will THANK me when they become teens and they have a little mad money to squander.

5% to charity-this year they want to donate it all to Cdn Red Cross, and the rest is theirs to spend.

After a few dud purchases-make your own gooey worms and a few cheapo fart machines they are now reluctant to blow it all.

2. For our summer holiday I make the family spending money at our annual garage sale. I explain to them that the cottage we rent and the food we buy we do from our wages but any fun holiday money has to be earned through the garage sale. We live on a budget and the boys know this. So for extras not included in the budget we need to come up with other ways to save/make the money

3. We rarely go to restaurants or pick up take out. They are accustomed to eating at home (yummier and healthier too) and know even if mom and dad are tired it doesn't mean we just pick up fast food (a bowl of Cheerios has served as dinner when we are completely pooped)

4. For Christmas/b.days I make the boys spend their own money for a gift to each other. There is something oh so satisfying when your brother is ripping open that Beyblade when you know you shelled out the 10 bucks for it. I don't think they would get quite so much enjoyment out of the art of giving if mom foot the bill. I also let them wrap it-hahaha and it's only a touch better than my wrapping (I can't wrap-I blame it on being left handed)

Anyway, enjoying this thread-love the ice cream parlor visit and explaining how much ice cream you could buy from a grocery store-great idea!!

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« Reply #21 on: July 25, 2012, 02:45:56 PM »
4. For Christmas/b.days I make the boys spend their own money for a gift to each other. There is something oh so satisfying when your brother is ripping open that Beyblade when you know you shelled out the 10 bucks for it. I don't think they would get quite so much enjoyment out of the art of giving if mom foot the bill. I also let them wrap it-hahaha and it's only a touch better than my wrapping (I can't wrap-I blame it on being left handed)

Love it. Do your children have their own savings accounts or is it all cash/piggy banks?

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« Reply #22 on: July 26, 2012, 11:40:14 AM »
4. For Christmas/b.days I make the boys spend their own money for a gift to each other. There is something oh so satisfying when your brother is ripping open that Beyblade when you know you shelled out the 10 bucks for it. I don't think they would get quite so much enjoyment out of the art of giving if mom foot the bill. I also let them wrap it-hahaha and it's only a touch better than my wrapping (I can't wrap-I blame it on being left handed)

Love it. Do your children have their own savings accounts or is it all cash/piggy banks?

They have piggy banks. Something so satisfying in shaking that piggy and hearing the coins clanging. We do have a secret bank acct for the boys. In there is every single penny I ever received for them (baby shower, births, etc). As well as any monetary gift they received from family/neighbours-they soon forget the $20 bill so I sneak it into the bank account. During Christmas they may each get $200 from family-so off it goes into the account.

We are hoping to have a small nest egg for both of them when they reach young adulthood and need money for their first house/trip of a lifetime/etc. I know it may be more prudent to discuss compound interest with them but boy, I can't wait to see the look on their faces when we plunk down this money for them that they had no clue existed!!

I feel adults don't get enough happy surprises

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« Reply #23 on: July 26, 2012, 02:27:23 PM »
boy, I can't wait to see the look on their faces when we plunk down this money for them that they had no clue existed!!

I hope you get to plunk it down for something like student loans, instead of something like bail.

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« Reply #24 on: July 27, 2012, 12:28:41 PM »
boy, I can't wait to see the look on their faces when we plunk down this money for them that they had no clue existed!!

I hope you get to plunk it down for something like student loans, instead of something like bail.

haha either way I have it covered ; )

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Re: Teaching your Kids about Money
« Reply #25 on: September 13, 2012, 06:17:47 AM »
Our 3 kids all have Etrade accounts but they don't get all that excited about seeing it on the computer.  They can watch us do a transaction to put money in their accounts but they don't seem to be making the connections.  However, they all get excited watching me put checks and cash into the ATM to deposit money into our family savings account. 

Our daughter is turning 13 this weekend and we have decided on a rite of passage into the teen years.....she will be getting her own bank account with debit card.  We have talked about using the debit card and recording spending and I will have her do her first purchases with us around to ensure that she is doing the proper recording.  We are also going to be giving her the portion of the clothing budget that we spend on her twice a year.  We have a few stipulations regarding the clothing (nice outfit for going to church) five pairs of pants, shirts, etc. but what she buys will be up to her.  She has already been looking at the prices of clothing in the store and asked if we could go shopping at Once Upon a Child.

As an added benefit she will be making more choices about her social life and events that she might attend.  She will have to watch her bank account and see if trips to the movies make any sense.

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Re: Teaching your Kids about Money
« Reply #26 on: September 20, 2012, 06:51:30 PM »
As a non retired 41 year old, I am obviously not a successful Mustachian, but here is what my husband and I are doing. Our children are 10, 15 and 17.
1.Pre primary children went grocery shopping and received a lesson on price comparisons every week ;).  We aimed to model how to work and how to have productive hobbies - they" helped" in the garden and the kitchen and ate what they grew/made. We mostly made presents for friends and family, and most of the gifts the children received were hand made items.
2. Primary school aged children recieve a very small allowance (our 10 year old receives $2 per week),  from which they do not have to save a %, but all gifts must be purchased, including presents when attending a friend's birthday party.  They are not permitted to buy sweets or junk food with the money, but can buy  toys or hire DVDs. Chores are not directly rewarded with money. Lost or damaged items due to foolishness may need to be replaced from this allowance. Money received as a gift (birthdays and christmas) is used to purchase items as this is what the giver has intended.  We budget by reminding of upcoming birthdays etc.Price comparisons and value comparisons are discussed with every purchase, and there is a lot of parental input, particularly when the child is younger. There are often parental vetos. We discuss things such as the financial and health reasons for riding to school rather than being driven. This seems to come up more often when it rains :) We model as much as possible how we expect hard work and thriftiness as family values.
Primary school children can earn more money by asking for extra jobs at home. These are paid at a fairly miserable child labour rate, depending on how well the task is done. Another alternative is to earn "lazy time". In order to watch television or play computer games, an hour for hour exchange of work is required - eg: to play computer games for an hour, you need to do housework for an hour, or do baking for an hour. Music practice gets half rates - one hour of practice =1/2 hour of lazy time.
It is interesting that the lazy time is often much more appealing than the $.
We probably bought them too many things. They have a massive lego collection, bike, skateboard, trampoline, roller blades - we tended to buy active toys for birthday and Christmas gifts.

3. Once a child turns 12, they have to earn their own money. As we own a  business, they perform age appropriate tasks either at the business, or for unusual activities, at home (eg, painting or renovating tasks).( Where we live, children from 12 can work in a family business, but non family members must be 14 and 9 months). They can work as much or as little as they wish, so long as it does not impact on their school work, and are paid the award wage +10%, just like our other employees. They can spend 50% of their income, and the rest is banked, for university, or if they don't go to university, for after they finish high school. There are no restrictions on what they can buy, but they are expected to buy their own clothing from this money, and pay for their own entertainment and camps. We continue to pay for school uniforms and  regular shoes. We continue to pay for music lessons and one sport if wanted.
We provide advice on how to manage the spending money and clothing budget, particularly in the earlier years.

We have some initial results from this. Our 17 year old daughter is finishing high school in 7 weeks. She has enough of her own earned money to fully support herself at university including rent in an expensive capital city for 3 years - for which she has researched an annual budget, and expects to earn enough in the summer holidays to cover another year. She hopes to do a degree that takes 5 years. As we will be paying her "rent" by allowing her to live in a flat we own, this means she can support herself and contribute to her university fees, and if she continues to work once she moves away, which she expects to do, possibly pay it all. She is a better Mustachian than her parents, having saved approximately 90% of her earnings.
Our younger daughter had trouble with overspending and inappropriate spending at first. She bought herself sweets and chips, and went to the movies with her friends quite frequently.  It was difficult to see her do this, but we kept (mostly) quiet!  She then found she had to work more hours to keep doing this, and found that she did not like the effects of junk food on her figure or skin. It took her about 18 months to stop buying rubbish, with only very gentle prompting from her parents (and much more vigorous prompting from her sister). Currently her savings rate is about 80% and she is keen to work and earn money to save. She now arranges movie nights with her friends where they hire DVDs and make their own popcorn, and has learnt to sew her own clothes so that she can wear outifits that look and last better than her ( from wealthy families) friends' clothes. She tells her friends that brand names are a rip off, and as she is a very convincing young lady,  is now teaching her friends to sew in the holidays. We are more proud of this than the natural Mustachian tendencies of daughter 1, as she had to work harder against her own more impulsive nature to come to this point.

Having written this boastful post, possibly daughter the first will blow it all in her first week of University, but I hope not!

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Re: Teaching your Kids about Money
« Reply #27 on: September 21, 2012, 07:12:41 AM »
What do you do to teach your kids to be responsible with money?
What do you do or what ideas do you have?
We used a lot of the ideas from David Owen's "First National Bank of Dad".  We especially appreciated his chapter on a kid's perspective of why parents are psychotic about money.

At this age your son will also enjoy the kid's book "If You Made A Million".

Our biggest inspiration from Owen's book was the "Kid 401(k)".  When our daughter turned eight years old we announced (with great fanfare) that her allowance was going up to $5/week.  However, just like many employers, her take-home pay would be reduced by the Kid 401(k) contribution of $2/week.  Along with the corporate parental match, by the time she turned age 16 she'd have a car fund of $5000. 

Eight years is, of course, and entire lifetime for an eight-year-old.  However she eventually got used to the idea, and it eliminated all the tween & teen "car gimmes".  Instead of whining with the other 12-year-olds about how she wanted an Escalade, she'd be quietly checking used-car prices to see what would fit within her budget.   We gradually expanded the discussion to insurance & gas, and we talked about good driving/maintenance habits.  Kids are great for squeezing under cars to do oil changes.

We were outmaneuvered.  At age 16, instead of stashing the money in CDs or instead of blowing it on an island bomb, she proposed forming an LLC with us to purchase a used Prius.  (OK, she didn't know that vocabulary, but that's what it was.)  We bought the Prius, she learned to drive it, and when she left for college she "sold back" her share.  (Minus a parking-lot fender ding.)  She's built a CD ladder with the cash, which will be a big help when she graduates and has to set up her own apartment. 

Six months ago she found a $3700 '99 Honda CR-V hauler with 160K miles.  Then she talked us into a four-year $5000 loan (at market interest) to buy the CR-V and have enough to handle insurance/gas/maintenance.  She's paying it back out of her Navy ROTC stipend so she still hasn't had to touch her CDs.

Our daughter turns 20 next month, and we've made sure that she's maxed out her Roth IRA each year since age 15.  We'd rather give her a little bit of her inheritance now and let it compound on its own for 20+ years.

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Re: Teaching your Kids about Money
« Reply #28 on: September 26, 2012, 04:07:56 PM »
Wow, everyone here is so wise not to intuitively not consider payment for chores!  We have 4 kids 8 and under.  We give them no allowance nor pay for any kind of extra work, but we do give them opportunities to earn money if they want by, for example, doing the work of gathering and returning bottles to the depot for refund ( http://www.perfectingparenthood.com/content/teaching-kids-about-money-6-benefits-bottle-picking-business).  The do get some money that way, and some relatives give them money for birthdays and christmas.  We make them spend this money on things they want.  Biggest example is that the oldest wanted a board game that we played at a friend's house and he proposed that he buy it himself with his own money, for $100.
I don't know about forcing savings.  Money is eventually for spending, so in my mind having a spending plan is the most important aspect.  Spend the money in such a way that you maximize happiness.  The kids are frugal in that they don't waste money on action figures or whatever the kids spend on these days.  Sometimes we go buy a toy at a garage sale, but we hardly ever buy toys from the store (yet our house is full from presents and hand-me-downs).  I think it's a real benefit that we don't watch TV so the kids don't know what's out there for toys.  If we go shopping, a neat side excursion is to go into the toy aisles or the toy store and just look around.  Inevitably they want mom and dad to buy them some junky toy, but we always tell them they have their own money and it changes their mind.

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Re: Teaching your Kids about Money
« Reply #29 on: January 07, 2013, 04:32:11 AM »
I have two teenage boys and a six-year old son, every weekend a task is assigned to them and I pay them certain amount once they have accomplished their tasks. I have also assigned a piggy bank for each child to make every cents count.

 

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