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What do you do about phones and 9-1-1 for kiddos?
« on: September 12, 2023, 06:24:36 PM »
My kids are too young for cell phones but old enough to be left on their own for a little while if I want to go for a walk. Honestly, I don't really want to buy them their own cell phones until they go to college, but that's a whole different conversation.

The last time I went out for a walk it occurred to me that if something happened while I was out, my kids have no way of reaching me or dialing 911.

I'm researching getting a landline, thinking that might also be a cool way for them to have their own phone number where other kids could reach them. It's $15/month for the first year on top of our existing Spectrum internet, and then $20/month thereafter. A bit more than I'd like to pay.

Is there some cheaper option that I'm overlooking?

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« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2023, 06:32:15 PM »
Just today, there was an article extolling the virtues of landlines in The Atlantic!* (If the paywall blocks you, try here.)

I agree with you, and with the article author, that they are handy to have for children who might need to call a parent or 911. But they are also handy because they provide a way to call whoever is home, without having to know where anyone is. So you get that benefit too.

I also agree that $15 or $20 a month is a bit much though. By the 4% rules that's another $6000 you'll need in your stash.

Though I have not availed myself of it, my internet does come bundled with a landline - the provider refuses to sell me internet alone. Have you checked out other potential internet providers?

*No, they don't pay me to shill for them, I do it for free ;-)

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« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2023, 06:39:04 PM »
Yes, I read the article. I've been thinking about the problem for about two weeks, and the article inspired me to do some research about it.

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« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2023, 07:57:02 PM »
Yes, a VOIP "landline" would be best.

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« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2023, 08:10:17 PM »
I have a voip landline instead of a cell phone, so the whole family can use it.  :P

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« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2023, 08:13:47 PM »
We have a VOIP landline for this exact reason. Works great.

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« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2023, 10:20:14 AM »
We considered getting a landline, but decided that a cheap (dumb) cell phone and a cheap cell phone plan would be less expensive and more useful than a landline.  And that's proven to be the case because we have kids that will go places on their own, like the corner store, playground, library, or need to be picked up from an activity that has an undetermined endpoint or is logistically difficult to coordinate re location/time.  It's nice that they can take the phone when a quick call or text might be needed later.

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« Reply #7 on: September 13, 2023, 10:32:44 AM »
We did something similar to @charis : set up an old iPhone as our house phone. The benefit of using a cell phone as the house phone is that when the kids transitioned to having more freedom outside the home they could take the phone with them if need be. Eventually when my older kid was starting 9th grade that phone became his and I just got a separate cell phone for my other kid in seventh grade.

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« Reply #8 on: September 13, 2023, 10:36:08 AM »
The last time I went out for a walk it occurred to me that if something happened while I was out, my kids have no way of reaching me or dialing 911.
As long as they are at least 4G or newer, older cell phones can still be used to dial 911 without a cell plan.

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« Reply #9 on: September 13, 2023, 12:07:35 PM »
We considered getting a landline, but decided that a cheap (dumb) cell phone and a cheap cell phone plan would be less expensive and more useful than a landline.  And that's proven to be the case because we have kids that will go places on their own, like the corner store, playground, library, or need to be picked up from an activity that has an undetermined endpoint or is logistically difficult to coordinate re location/time.  It's nice that they can take the phone when a quick call or text might be needed later.

Which phone/plan did you use? I'm thinking this is going to be a better idea than a landline.

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« Reply #10 on: September 13, 2023, 05:42:31 PM »
If you're considering a new provider, I believe @Daley is the expert around here. If I remember correctly, RedPocket is the usual recommendation.

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« Reply #11 on: September 13, 2023, 07:08:23 PM »
Thanks @314159
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First, technically there is no such thing anymore as a landline. Even old copper landlines are VoIP lines now and have been for quite some time.

There are cheaper VoIP providers, like VOIP.ms which requires you to set up your own equipment (with a $40 Grandstream device, you can set up a home phone with e911 for as little as $2/month plus a penny a minute), and VOIPo which provides their own for a bit more (about $8/month) where you just have to plug the device in. There are also "wireless home phone" devices that take SIM cards that have a PSTN/POTS output jack on the back of the device to use older house phones with instead of a cellphone or smartphone, restricting and eliminating access to SMS and data due to the nature of the device. However, it's difficult to find unlocked models for MVNO use unless you really know what to look for as most MVNOs who have device stores rarely, if ever, include those sorts of devices (outside of Consumer Cellular, which is firmly targeted at the AARP set). Alternatively, you could also use an old/cheap phone with a shot battery and Bluetooth and pair it with a Bluetooth capable cordless home phone set that way. I know Costco frequently has these sorts of phones in their warehouses from the likes of Panasonic and Vtech.

As for mobile plans specifically? Yes, RedPocket is the go-to recommendation from me anymore. Been that way for a hot minute now. Plans on all three major networks, and one of the few remaining MVNOs that still offer decent plans below $15/month anymore. There's even an annual plan on their Ebay store that's $30/year on T-Mobile's network that offers 200 minutes, 1000 SMS messages, and 200MB of data per month. It's kind of a perfect cheap kid plan, if you're forced into a situation where you have to give a minor a cellphone, even though every fiber of my being wants to scream in abject horror at the idea of giving a child one of those infernal slabs to get conditioned to and hooked on the consumer dopamine reward wagon. Of course, with you out in Hawaiʻi, IIRC, and the historic spottyness of T-Mobile's coverage on the islands, YMMV. There's also a $60/year plan from them in their Ebay store that provides 100 minutes, 100 SMS messages, and 500MB of data a month on the AT&T network. Not as generous a plan at twice the price, but still one of the best packages you're gonna find for $5/month.

If you still want to go down the smartphone/cellphone route, but do actually care about the downsides and only want a cellphone that can only do calling and maybe texting, look into buying a Kosher phone if you don't want to do the technical efforts to disable a web browser and lock down the device yourself to keep social media and other datamining apps off. There's models where you can only do calling and even the cameras are hardware disabled, models where there's only calling and texting, optional email support, etc.

Kosher phones come in a wide variety of both feature phone and smartphone variants, and are far cheaper options than stuff like Sunbeam and Light Phones that have come out of the overpriced "lifestyle simplicity" woo movement sold to rich hipsters with phone addictions. Just do a web search and you'll find a few sellers. You're still likely to drop more than $100 for an unlocked feature phone model, though, and most of them are either for use on T-Mo or Verizon.
« Last Edit: September 13, 2023, 07:11:22 PM by Daley »

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« Reply #12 on: September 13, 2023, 07:25:11 PM »
My child is also getting old enough so that I can leave him at home while I run short errands (~30min or so). I’m thinking of setting up a new Apple ID on one of our old iPhones and connecting it on Wi-Fi. From home, he can FaceTime us, and he can call 911 without a SIM card.

We have a VOIP line (Ooma), but the numbers on the old cordless phone are really hard to press, and I don’t want to buy anything new.

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« Reply #13 on: September 14, 2023, 01:07:43 AM »
I found it necessary to get my daughter a cell phone earlier than planned (3rd grade) due to a divorce and co parenting.
It was invaluable for each parent to reach our child independently, especially texting, for pick up times, locations, etc.

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« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2023, 08:53:35 PM »
There are various smartwatch products that are pretty good for kids and can be set up without internet/gaming capabilities. Our now 6th grader was always independent enough that he didn't care about using it much, but it's nice for him to be able to call us when he decides to do a mountain bike ride after school or what have you.

Our 4th grader was much more hesitant about doing stuff on her own but a watch got her out riding to friends' houses, riding the city bus on her own, etc. Well worth it.

I think you can find them for ~$75 though in both cases ours ended up being grandparent gifts. Service is on the order of $5/mo, so not too bad.

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« Reply #15 on: September 25, 2023, 10:10:54 PM »
We also have a smartwatch for our 9-year-old. We bought the dumbest smartwatch on the market. It basically just allows her to call or send voice messages to people on her whitelist (which I control), tracks her steps, and tells the time.

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Re: What do you do about phones and 9-1-1 for kiddos?
« Reply #16 on: October 13, 2023, 11:52:00 AM »
With our oldest in middle school and variable schedule (though she bikes to school!) we got a Nokia 225 4G dumbphone for $50 and a Tello 100 min voice, unlimited text, and NO DATA plan for $5/month. Charge it once a week and don't worry too much about loss or damage. The other kids can take it as needed to gatherings and events. The only downside is no GPS tracking.

Before that, the kids had old iphones on wifi for audiobooks. They could Facetime us and I believe call 911.

We also looked at smartphones + Bark, but that seemed a bit much. This site has a good rundown of dumb phone options: https://goodmenproject.com/featured-content/why-buying-a-dumb-phone-for-your-kid-is-a-smart-idea/

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« Reply #17 on: October 26, 2023, 11:52:20 PM »
My kids are still a bit young to be left alone unattended (4yo and 7yo), but we have had cases of a babysitter coming who did not have their own phone.  I thought about a land line, but at $20 per month, that seemed steep for emergency use only.  In small-town Canada, we don't have a ton of options for super cheap cell phone plans either. 

We ended up with the 7-11 pay-as-you-go phone plan (SpeakOut).  It works out to approx $25 per YEAR, which is MUCH cheaper than all of the other pay as you go plans.  (Obviously the cost will depend on  how much you actually end up using it, hopefully not at all given that its meant for emergencies!).  Most of them require monthly topups to maintain the plan, but this one only requires yearly topups.  We just have an old cell phone that stays plugged in all the time.  It's basically like a home phone, and is available for babysitters and others to use if needed.  I pre-programmed in our cell numbers as well as a few numbers of our emergency contacts too.  Soon I think my 7yo will be ready to go on short outings alone, so could bring it along if needed as well.

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« Reply #18 on: December 06, 2023, 03:24:13 PM »
We got my child a "dumb" phone. Just talk and text. Its like $10 a month.

Before that we had an OOMA line for awhile, but the service was not great, and if its not reliable then what is the point?

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« Reply #19 on: March 16, 2024, 09:52:05 PM »
We got my child a "dumb" phone. Just talk and text. Its like $10 a month.

Before that we had an OOMA line for awhile, but the service was not great, and if its not reliable then what is the point?

We got tired of the cost of our true landline and ported the number over to a cellular “puck” attached to our mobile phone accounts.  We have an older cordless phone system plugged into it, and that gives us a phone that will ring at the house (or call from the house) whenever needed.  It’s $25/month which feels great compared to the former $45/month landline.  No device to buy, no social media or texting to worry about.  It’s filling the need that your asking about just fine.

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« Reply #20 on: March 21, 2024, 07:25:51 AM »
We looked at just this thing, and found any kind of landline ridiculously expensive compared to cellular options.  We ended up doing messenger kids (from Facebook Messenger) on our kids' $40 amazon fire tablets.  We made sure to keep data and notifications open on Mom's & Dad's device.

At age 13 we provided a Ting cell plan for our oldest child, and it runs on an older iPhone.  The deal is no data use unless on Wifi.  It's used for an ongoing 4 way text with friend group that no longer goes to the same school.  Costwise it's an absolute win.  Socially for us it's been fine - our oldest is not the most socializing child, so every little bit helps.  This weekend we asked it be lent to a younger sibling who was staying behind so mom & dad could be called for pickup and it was a (small, but funny) meltdown.

I think waiting until college for a cell phone today is going to be very oddly out of place, almost like a punishment.  I had one in 1999 when I started driving, and I often drove home from work at 11:30 pm in high school.  It was terrible for texting, so that happened only at home on the computer running AOL instant messenger (remember that?)
In the early 90's I'm sure people would not have batted an eye to lending their cordless house phone to someone who had car trouble in front of their house, but I don't see most people today handing over a cell phone like that.  Depending on your area (mine was quite rural, so it doesn't apply) you could also somewhat easily find public phones.  But today those are mostly empty.

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« Reply #21 on: March 21, 2024, 07:54:06 AM »
I have no cell phone and had car trouble in front of someone's house a few years back.  No problems with asking them to call someone for help.

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« Reply #22 on: March 21, 2024, 02:26:17 PM »
We set up an AppleID and used an old iPhone for our kids (6 and 9) as a home phone.  They can imessage and facetime us as well as other people we've set up in their phone (like cousins and grandparents).  We can also send them pictures (I do when I see interesting things travelling for work, or in the rare instance me and DW are travelling without the kids) which they also love.  They can also call 911 if necessary as you can with any cell phone even without a cell plan. 

They are still not quite ready for extended time alone, but if we're out walking in the neigborhood without them it is nice to have a way to contact us.

Total cost $0 (phone left over after one of us upgraded) with $0 per month.  Works great.  The only downside is that we have to make sure it stays on the charger somewhere everyone can find it if needed. 

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« Reply #23 on: March 22, 2024, 08:04:19 AM »
I have no cell phone and had car trouble in front of someone's house a few years back.  No problems with asking them to call someone for help.

I think that is going to be very much YMMV. Depending on the color of your skin, ethnicity, location, time of day, time of year, etc. So whether this is a realistic option for you is going to have to be carefully thought through, and there will be different answers for different people and situations.

FTR, it sucks and is totally not ok that some people may not be safe knocking on a door asking for help with a flat tire or whatever. But it is current reality.

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« Reply #24 on: March 22, 2024, 08:06:32 AM »
I have no cell phone and had car trouble in front of someone's house a few years back.  No problems with asking them to call someone for help.

I think that is going to be very much YMMV. Depending on the color of your skin, ethnicity, location, time of day, time of year, etc. So whether this is a realistic option for you is going to have to be carefully thought through, and there will be different answers for different people and situations.

FTR, it sucks and is totally not ok that some people may not be safe knocking on a door asking for help with a flat tire or whatever. But it is current reality.

+1. I'm an ethnic minority living in the Southern US. Too big a risk of getting shot.

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« Reply #25 on: March 22, 2024, 08:45:19 AM »
Yeah, I'm a big clean cut white dude who dresses in a style best described as 'generic'.

If I was a smaller woman I'd certainly have reservations.  Or if I was a minority in one of the 'right to murder' states.