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Do students still need to take the SATs?
« on: December 01, 2023, 05:37:07 AM »
My son is in his first year of college and he didn't take SATs. The three universities in WA he applied to (and was accepted at) did not require them.  He was a freshman and sophomore during COVID and the testing just kind of died out for his group.  My daughter is a sophomore and the HS is not talking about SATs at all yet.  Of course we can find out from the specific schools she will apply to, but I am curious what people's experiences are across the country.

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Re: Do students still need to take the SATs?
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2023, 06:04:18 AM »
I think it depends on 1) your kid and 2) the colleges they are interested in. #2 is pretty self explanatory, but for #1, in our case, DS17 had "okay" but not great grades, but is a fantastic test taker. The SATs were a weighting that helped in his case. He applied to several Washington schools (we're in California) as well as Colorado, Arizona, etc. Most schools are now test optional, but if you have a good score, they are worth sending.

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Re: Do students still need to take the SATs?
« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2023, 11:48:36 AM »
I think it depends on 1) your kid and 2) the colleges they are interested in. #2 is pretty self explanatory, but for #1, in our case, DS17 had "okay" but not great grades, but is a fantastic test taker. The SATs were a weighting that helped in his case. He applied to several Washington schools (we're in California) as well as Colorado, Arizona, etc. Most schools are now test optional, but if you have a good score, they are worth sending.

This.

1.  SATs are not mandatory, in that there are many colleges that are test-optional.

2.  However, great SAT scores can still be very helpful for admission at many schools.  IMO, "test optional" most often means an alternate path for kids who don't score well, not eradication of the standard path for kids who do score well.  And most schools don't necessarily know how to do a really good non-score-based admissions analysis anyway, given the very generic/standardized essay prompts and such -- seems likely to make the process even less predictable/more arbitrary than it already is (exception for schools like Wake Forest, which has been test-optional forever and puts a ton of emphasis on interviews and its own essays).  We ran across only one school (east coast) that directly said they would not even look at test scores.  YMMV of course.

3.  Also consider the ACT.  Some kids are better at the more ambiguous questions in the SAT, others are better with the more concrete approach of the ACT.  My DD's ACT scores were the equivalent of 150 SAT points higher than her actual SAT scores.

4.  IMO, test scores are useful to assess your own kid's likelihood of admission somewhere and to help target reach/match/safety schools.  I would never want my kid to be the last one admitted somewhere and wind up outmatched and overwhelmed -- or, like one kid I heard of, was a fairly typical rich suburban white kid with no particular distinguishing factors, had a c.1250 SAT, and somehow thought UVa was a "safety" school.

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Re: Do students still need to take the SATs?
« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2023, 05:49:24 PM »
Very much agree with Laura's #4. Forgot to mention that DS17 received a scholarship (even with what I think are "okay" grades) & SAT scores (along with extracurriculars) were mentioned as the reason. Schools want students that they know can be successful. SATs can be a measurement of academic capability, which is helpful if your grades may or may not demonstrate that in quite the same way.

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Re: Do students still need to take the SATs?
« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2023, 06:18:43 AM »
Thanks for the input everyone.  I wonder how much my DD's HS talks to the kids about the possible importance of taking these tests, I appreciate your experiences and knowledge and I will be talking with her and seeing if she might take one in the next year.  Her grades are decent and so far the schools she has seemed interested in have a pretty high acceptance rate, but scholarships would be amazing!
@MaybeBabyMustache - I really got curious in the testing from reading your blog and all the talk about testing there.  I think maybe your son is looking at the school in WA that my son is at now - hard to get into, but my son is very gifted athletically, his grades alone wouldn't have been enough.  He is loving the experience, his teammates, and living near the big city- Good luck to your son in finding the right fit for him.

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« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2023, 10:47:33 AM »
n=1 but my DD got generous scholarship offers at several schools (Oregon State and Colorado State the best via WUE) + a full ride at University of Washington without providing SAT scores.  She did have a 4.0 GPA + over 30 college credits (also at 4.0) from her dual enrollment program and decent extracurriculars for a Covid-era kid (robotics, environmental clubs/volunteering, and a PT job at Dominos one summer). 

Her scores were fine, just not stellar and she elected not to re-take the test since none of her targeted schools required her to submit.

Full disclosure:  due to how we manage our FIRE finances we have low on-paper income and got a $0 EFC on the FAFSA.  So that may have added diversity points to her applications (many schools are seeking out low-income students as a proxy for other types of diversity they are not legally allowed to consider).

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Re: Do students still need to take the SATs?
« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2023, 11:30:02 AM »
If a child can score very high on the SATs (not necessarily perfect, but close), it will help their admissions.  On the other hand, if there is doubt about their ability to score high, it may be better not to take the test.

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« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2023, 12:40:20 AM »
If a child can score very high on the SATs (not necessarily perfect, but close), it will help their admissions.  On the other hand, if there is doubt about their ability to score high, it may be better not to take the test.

You don't have to report the test scores to any school unless you choose. So, unless the cost of the test itself is prohibitive, or you 100% know you don't want to go to a school that flat out doesn't accept them (UCs, Cal States, etc), there is no downside to taking the test.

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Re: Do students still need to take the SATs?
« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2023, 09:42:29 AM »
My 10th grade son in Maryland just took the PSAT test at school.

He is interested in taking SAT prep classes later

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Re: Do students still need to take the SATs?
« Reply #9 on: December 05, 2023, 10:05:42 AM »
For where I live the SAT is just about obsolete because the public schools are known to be very good. Kids are still being sold on the idea of taking them, but colleges can count on a transcript being a worthy representation of the student.

However, if you're from a state with schools that are not good, you may need the SAT or ACT.

Comparing North Carolina to Louisiana to Long Island:

Mid-2nd grade in NC my daughter was doing 3-digit math problems with borrowing and carrying, like 495 + 311 and 201 - 82; she finished 2nd grade in LA never going higher than 9 + 9; after she finished 5th grade in LA, we had her start 5th grade in NY, and it was the right move because she was a full grade behind the 6th graders.

In just 2.5 years she was a grade behind, or, put another way, 2.5 years in LA was the same as 1.5 years on Long Island.

While NC schools like UNC and Duke, and NY schools like Stony Brook and Columbia, would love the diversity of having someone from so far away as Louisiana or Mississippi, they probably need to see some SAT or ACT scores because being an A-student with a 2nd grade foundation of 2-digit math is going to bring some otherwise unforeseen hardships. However, if students are accepted with SATs in the 900-1,000 range, they can be accepted on the condition of taking a remedial semester to get them up to speed, and signing up for on-campus tutoring.
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Re: Do students still need to take the SATs?
« Reply #10 on: December 05, 2023, 10:58:26 AM »
For where I live the SAT is just about obsolete because the public schools are known to be very good. Kids are still being sold on the idea of taking them, but colleges can count on a transcript being a worthy representation of the student.

However, if you're from a state with schools that are not good, you may need the SAT or ACT.

I don't know that it's about the HS you come from as much as it is about the expectations of the colleges you're looking at (which do tend to be regional in nature). 

My DD looked at some CA schools, and what they focused on for admission was completely different than what her east coast options were looking for.  E.g., in the CA system, they look at unadjusted GPA, with a max credit of 5.0 for honors classes, and they consider only certain core classes (IIRC).  So to be most attractive to CA schools, DD should have focused only on those core classes and then ensure she maxed out the difficulty at the "honors" level.  OTOH, out here on the east coast?  Damn some of those colleges are competitive about the numbers.  Out here, it's mostly "take the toughest classes you can," which the schools try to encourage by giving "quality points" based on the level of difficulty of a class (basically, standard = 4.0, honors = 5.0, AP = 6.0).  And then there's "holistic" admissions, where all those "non-core" classes come into play.  So the kinds of things DD should have done to be competitive in CA would have made her much less competitive out here.

I do agree, though, that if you have a smart kid in a bad school district -- or a kid looking at schools far away, who may not be familiar with your area schools -- you should probably add some standardized testing.  Colleges are going to be looking at things like how many AP classes are on the transcript, did the kid take calculus, and the like -- those tend to be markers of "high-quality" (a/k/a "wealthy") schools.  So if your school doesn't flash those obvious markers, standardized tests can help show that the kid's straight-As actually mean something. 

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Re: Do students still need to take the SATs?
« Reply #11 on: December 05, 2023, 11:18:15 AM »
Does anyone know how IB school attendance and IB testing factors into all of this? 

My eldest just started at an IB high school, so maybe this is a question for the counselors there, but thought I would also probe you all here in case anyone has first hand experience.


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Re: Do students still need to take the SATs?
« Reply #12 on: December 05, 2023, 08:07:19 PM »
For where I live the SAT is just about obsolete because the public schools are known to be very good. Kids are still being sold on the idea of taking them, but colleges can count on a transcript being a worthy representation of the student.

However, if you're from a state with schools that are not good, you may need the SAT or ACT.

I don't know that it's about the HS you come from as much as it is about the expectations of the colleges you're looking at (which do tend to be regional in nature). 

My DD looked at some CA schools, and what they focused on for admission was completely different than what her east coast options were looking for. 

This was interesting. Thanks for sharing.

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Re: Do students still need to take the SATs?
« Reply #13 on: December 06, 2023, 11:32:46 AM »
My older boy went to WWU in Washington. At the time of enrollment (2018), ACT was required except for transfer students. He was transferring out of the running start program, so no testing needed. He did take the ACT, though, in order to qualify for a specific scholarship. So my advice is to consider both university requirements and the requirements for any scholarships the student may qualify for.

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Re: Do students still need to take the SATs?
« Reply #14 on: December 06, 2023, 12:40:37 PM »
Does anyone know how IB school attendance and IB testing factors into all of this? 

My eldest just started at an IB high school, so maybe this is a question for the counselors there, but thought I would also probe you all here in case anyone has first hand experience.

The IB is better known now than it was when I took it in the late '80s.  It is generally considered the most rigorous option by schools that are familiar with it, so typically is good for admissions.  But it is hard to accumulate as much advanced placement credits as you can with a string of 10-20 AP classes that many kids walk away from high school with, or with dual enrollment options. 

You really need to look at each school you are considering to see how they treat the IB.  No hard and fast rules.  Back in 1988 when I got my diploma, I only got 15 credits of advanced placement for my higher level subjects (English, German, and Music in my case).  I then enrolled directly in a 3rd year german lit class, and got an additional 10 credits for two quarters worth of second year german, so 25 credits.

Gotta say, though -- the IB is so rigorous and prepares you for college level work so well that my BA studies were simple.  I worked 20+ hours/week and got an honors degree with a 3.9 gpa in 3 years. 

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Re: Do students still need to take the SATs?
« Reply #15 on: December 18, 2023, 08:25:28 PM »
This seems to be a "new in 2023" issue. We moved from a state where the ACT was administered free to all students. DS did exceptionally well and I googled "who gives scholarships for ACT" which led me down a wormhole believing we'd get nearly a full ride. DS however has not done as well in school (thanks covid and mild learning disabilities) and has a 3.2x GPA which I have endlessly hounded him about because he is capable (but lazy) of doing more.

Now in our new state test optional means "send it in but we won't use it in any way" which is supremely unhelpful in DS's case. His GPA does not qualify him for many scholarships and his preferred method of proving himself college worthy has become unuseful.

Anyone got any intel on places that still want to give $$ for ACT scores?

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Re: Do students still need to take the SATs?
« Reply #16 on: December 18, 2023, 08:31:14 PM »
I also want to give a special shout out to 2023 sucking for having a 3 month delay in opening the FAFSA. Its a huge source of stress and confusion for parents eyeing college for the first time this year.

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Re: Do students still need to take the SATs?
« Reply #17 on: December 18, 2023, 08:40:01 PM »
This seems to be a "new in 2023" issue. We moved from a state where the ACT was administered free to all students. DS did exceptionally well and I googled "who gives scholarships for ACT" which led me down a wormhole believing we'd get nearly a full ride. DS however has not done as well in school (thanks covid and mild learning disabilities) and has a 3.2x GPA which I have endlessly hounded him about because he is capable (but lazy) of doing more.

Now in our new state test optional means "send it in but we won't use it in any way" which is supremely unhelpful in DS's case. His GPA does not qualify him for many scholarships and his preferred method of proving himself college worthy has become unuseful.

Anyone got any intel on places that still want to give $$ for ACT scores?

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Ah, this very, very much resonates, except sub SATs for ACTs. I totally feel you, and the process is very opaque. I don't have specific schools, but i'll add that we've been surprised by the scholarships, particularly amongst private schools, for high SAT scores + good essays & extra curriculars (and, only "okay" grades). We also have a teen who started high school in COVID, and has a learning disorder.

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Re: Do students still need to take the SATs?
« Reply #18 on: December 18, 2023, 08:58:11 PM »
This seems to be a "new in 2023" issue. We moved from a state where the ACT was administered free to all students. DS did exceptionally well and I googled "who gives scholarships for ACT" which led me down a wormhole believing we'd get nearly a full ride. DS however has not done as well in school (thanks covid and mild learning disabilities) and has a 3.2x GPA which I have endlessly hounded him about because he is capable (but lazy) of doing more.

Now in our new state test optional means "send it in but we won't use it in any way" which is supremely unhelpful in DS's case. His GPA does not qualify him for many scholarships and his preferred method of proving himself college worthy has become unuseful.

Anyone got any intel on places that still want to give $$ for ACT scores?

@fuzzy math
Ah, this very, very much resonates, except sub SATs for ACTs. I totally feel you, and the process is very opaque. I don't have specific schools, but i'll add that we've been surprised by the scholarships, particularly amongst private schools, for high SAT scores + good essays & extra curriculars (and, only "okay" grades). We also have a teen who started high school in COVID, and has a learning disorder.

Is your kiddo a senior this year? DS has applied to 2 schools so far - one private who accepted him (but we have no idea what he is getting due to them saying "wait for the FAFSA"), and one public who doesn't give responses til April.

We are personally only able to stomach / afford / assist with private schools that give aid to the point where its comparable to in state public schools. Has that been your experience so far that the aid provided to your kid has made private schools competitive to that point? If so I might heavily mooch off your list!

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« Reply #19 on: December 19, 2023, 07:21:30 AM »
@fuzzy math - DS17 is a senior, yes. Private schools typically send scholarships with the acceptance. Schools to consider might be University of Puget Sound, Bradley, Lynn & University of the Pacific. For public schools, DS also received a large scholarship from ASU. I was skeptical, but more research has actually indicated that it could be a good option.

DS17 has received a ton of emails from private schools saying he would be guaranteed X scholarship if he applied (and, GPA was over a certain reasonably low floor) based on SATs. He hasn't applied to many, as he's pretty set on a small list of public (out of state) schools.

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Re: Do students still need to take the SATs?
« Reply #20 on: December 19, 2023, 09:03:13 AM »
This seems to be a "new in 2023" issue. We moved from a state where the ACT was administered free to all students. DS did exceptionally well and I googled "who gives scholarships for ACT" which led me down a wormhole believing we'd get nearly a full ride. DS however has not done as well in school (thanks covid and mild learning disabilities) and has a 3.2x GPA which I have endlessly hounded him about because he is capable (but lazy) of doing more.

Now in our new state test optional means "send it in but we won't use it in any way" which is supremely unhelpful in DS's case. His GPA does not qualify him for many scholarships and his preferred method of proving himself college worthy has become unuseful.

Anyone got any intel on places that still want to give $$ for ACT scores?

Sorry you're dealing with this.  FWIW, it seems to me colleges have also been more flexible on grades lately, given Covid-era issues.  My DS just got into one of his first choices despite a big crater mid-sophomore year, which we had assumed would disqualify him from the type of school he really wanted. 

One thing I learned from my niece:  some out-of-state publics will give in-state tuition to kids with good test scores.  I know this is true with the SAT, likely true for ACT as well, since some of the schools are in the midwest, where ACT is king (e.g., MN).  Caveat that I don't know the application deadline to be eligible for those kinds of scholarships, but may be worth looking into.   

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Re: Do students still need to take the SATs?
« Reply #21 on: December 19, 2023, 09:53:52 AM »

4.  IMO, test scores are useful to assess your own kid's likelihood of admission somewhere and to help target reach/match/safety schools.  I would never want my kid to be the last one admitted somewhere and wind up outmatched and overwhelmed -- or, like one kid I heard of, was a fairly typical rich suburban white kid with no particular distinguishing factors, had a c.1250 SAT, and somehow thought UVa was a "safety" school.

Okay, this one made me laugh because my son's college roommate at UVa actually had ranked UVa as his "safety" school . . . but at least they did actually admit him. None of roommate's other applications were successful. My son had UVa as one of his aspirational applications and so he found this contrast hilarious.

On the other hand, I know of one young man who boasted to me he had UNC Chapel Hill as his "safety" school and then he didn't get in anywhere at all during that application cycle. I don't know what he ended up doing . . . probably a fashionable "gap year experience," although it's possible he put in later applications to what I'm sure he considered a "lesser" school in the spring. That kid was such an arrogant twat that it was hard not to cackle with schadenfreude, but I restrained myself.

My advice is that your children take one of either the SAT or ACT seriously the first time. Don't send it to ANY colleges, though, until you see the score. Just in case they bomb it. You can then decide if/where you want to send it anywhere. And if it is a catastrophe (yes, UVa son, looking at you), then your child can then switch to the other test and it will be in some sense like the first test never happened except as a reality check. In my case, son absolutely bombed the verbal section ACT they gave him at high school after straight up refusing to prepare for it because it "didn't matter" in his words. The biggest problem was that his lack of even a single practice round meant he was unaware of the needed pacing, so he ran out of time and had to answer C for like the last 20 items on the actual test day. His score reflected that. I even asked him "you CAN actually read, RIGHT?"

That was right before the pandemic and many schools became test optional during the pandemic. However, one place he really thought he wanted to go said they would not be test optional for athletes, so he had to get his act together. Since his ACT score was a train wreck, over the next couple of months he gradually took several practice sections of the SAT at home. He's extremely extroverted, so sitting down to take each section was torture with some whining and gnashing of teeth, but he did seem to enjoy going through the answers with me. Basically we came to a compromise where he'd do one-two timed section and then when the timer went off he'd have a snack and some undivided parent time at the kitchen table to go over the answers. Eventually he found a strategy for reading comprehension passage order (3-4-2-1 in his case since he always had most trouble with the abstract nature of the first passage.) And he also learned some basic English rules from me. This last part was gratifying, but also annoying, because I literally only had to explain each grammar, punctuation, or homonym rule he missed on a practice section to him once. And then he never missed it again, which leads me to believe he never had a teacher who did that or at least it didn't happen often enough for it to sink through his thick skull. Looking back I had exactly two teachers who hammered those rules into me as a kid, and all the other years of English my teacher was basically rubbish, so I can see how it happens.

So his ACT score indicated illiteracy but his SAT score was quite good in the end. Not quite good enough for the crazy selective ivy he was doing it all for, but good enough for UVa. Despite the fact that it was "test optional" at least at that time, he submitted the SAT scores anyway. I'm confident that he would not have gotten into UVa without submitting that because his grades were borderline at best. Looking back, he learned a lot in the process and I'm sure he's glad he kept at it and eventually took the SAT with success, but it sure felt like pulling teeth at the time.

We are personally only able to stomach / afford / assist with private schools that give aid to the point where its comparable to in state public schools. Has that been your experience so far that the aid provided to your kid has made private schools competitive to that point? If so I might heavily mooch off your list!

Yes, one of my children received the "Presidential Scholarship" to a private school and absolutely nothing in the way of scholarships from our in-state schools. Child's grades weren't spectacular but the other aspects of the application were strong, and private schools seem to weight these more. The in-state schools did offer some loans, but I have a life philosophy against that. The private school ended up much, much cheaper than the in-state options. In fact the private school is basically free (not quite, but our out-of-pocket is remarkably small.) Same is true for my UVa son: private schools offered better "packages" from a dollars and cents perspective especially once you realize the ridiculous and escalating list of required fees every semester for Virginia public schools. It's their way of getting around state legislature restrictions on increases in tuition, I guess, having thousands of dollars of fees every semester in addition.

You really won't know until your offspring send in those applications and the FAFSA process is completed. So, don't have pre-conceived notions about which schools will cost more.
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« Reply #22 on: December 19, 2023, 10:16:39 AM »
Gonna strongly recommend the book "Who Gets in and Why" again for anyone who is dealing with college application season.  Ron Leiber's "The Price You Pay for College" isn't as thorough, in my opinion, but also has some good info about how college admissions/financing works.

Best chances for decent scholarships for middle class but not top tier students is generally a not-too-selective smaller liberal arts college.  They need to keep enrollments up to stay afloat.  They will often cut tuition way down in order to get butts in seats.  Many require students to live on campus so that is where much of their revenue comes from.  Look at places that have over 50% admission rates and low yield. 

Also look at schools that are trying to be more transparent about financial aid and scholarships.  Whitman College in Washington lets you submit your info early and get a rough picture of costs before you even commit to applying -- deadline was Dec 15th so doesn't work for this year's applicants, but still worth mentioning.  A couple of years ago they were guaranteeing full tuition scholarships for families in Washington earning under a certain threshold, but that seems to be gone now.  A few other liberal arts colleges in the pacific Northwest dropped their tuition rates dramatically a few years ago in order to reflect what most students pay -- Willamette was the first and I think a few others followed suit.

Also look at the various regional consortia that will give discounts on out of state tuition at state schools for students from participating states.  In the west, this is WUE and it covers lots of good schools.  DD got WUE scholarships from Oregon State and Colorado State that would have dropped the cost to about what base rates were for the University of Washington. She would have chosen one of those if she hadn't been admitted to UW.  I believe there are similar networks for the midwest and southeast, at a minimum -- not sure on the details.

And if you/your child are flexible, strongly consider doing the community college transfer route. Here in Seattle pretty much all kids who graduate and apply get up to two free years of community college, and there is a more streamlined pipeline for transferring to the UW that improves your odds of getting in.  DD's BF is taking that route.


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« Reply #23 on: December 19, 2023, 10:22:00 AM »
@fuzzy math just noticed elsewhere that you are back in Washington.  Have you guys looked at Western and the UW branch campuses?  WE considered UW Bothell for DD but she wanted a more traiditonal college experience.  EVerybody we know who has applied to Western has gotten in, and they offered her decent scholarships.

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« Reply #24 on: December 19, 2023, 11:19:55 AM »
And if you/your child are flexible, strongly consider doing the community college transfer route. Here in Seattle pretty much all kids who graduate and apply get up to two free years of community college, and there is a more streamlined pipeline for transferring to the UW that improves your odds of getting in.  DD's BF is taking that route.

All of my brother's children in the state of Washington went this route of 2 years of community college to earn their associate's degree first. They started community college while still technically in high school on an early-start program. This got his oldest daughter through her 4 year degree before turning 22. She did live on campus at university her last two years. She was housed her first semester on campus with the first year students even though she was technically a Junior in terms of her credits, and she does feel like she got the "full" college experience. <-this is something students going the community college transfer route worry about, apparently.

Virginia has a similar system that makes it much easier to get into UVA in Charlottesville if a student first successfully completes a 2-year degree at a local community college in Virginia. I think the "automatic" transfer admission requires a 3.0 GPA in community college:
https://admission.virginia.edu/transfer/guaranteed-transfer-admission

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Re: Do students still need to take the SATs?
« Reply #25 on: December 26, 2023, 08:09:11 PM »
My daughters, now college sophomores at two different SUNY schools, took the SAT and both did very well. None of the colleges they applied to used their SAT scores in consideration for scholarships. Scholarships were GPA based only!

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Re: Do students still need to take the SATs?
« Reply #26 on: December 29, 2023, 02:06:29 PM »
My daughters, now college sophomores at two different SUNY schools, took the SAT and both did very well. None of the colleges they applied to used their SAT scores in consideration for scholarships. Scholarships were GPA based only!

Thanks for the update re the SUNY's.

VERY LATE ETA: 1 daughter took the SAT, 1 did not. The were accepted into Stony Brook and Binghamton, as well as Penn State and Iowa
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Re: Do students still need to take the SATs?
« Reply #27 on: December 29, 2023, 07:35:26 PM »
It depends but there is little downside to taking it.  Most of the schools that are test optional actually are difficult to get in without reporting a score.  MIT requires it. 

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Re: Do students still need to take the SATs?
« Reply #28 on: January 02, 2024, 05:23:17 PM »
If a child can score very high on the SATs (not necessarily perfect, but close), it will help their admissions.  On the other hand, if there is doubt about their ability to score high, it may be better not to take the test.

You don't have to report the test scores to any school unless you choose. So, unless the cost of the test itself is prohibitive, or you 100% know you don't want to go to a school that flat out doesn't accept them (UCs, Cal States, etc), there is no downside to taking the test.
this is what I am trying to figure out. My youngest has severe dyslexia and other learning differences. Surprisingly she is doing well in her classes (on the honor roll) and is now on the mainstream track. The only exception they are giving her is extra time to read the instructions. We recently had her get tested , and the psychologist said she would need more accomodations than that (the instructions read to her) otherwise research colleges and have her apply where they are not required. However bc of her grades she can take the act free at the school. I am curious. But I don't want her to feel bad at her results. And I def don't want her taking them if colleges automatically see what is on file.

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Re: Do students still need to take the SATs?
« Reply #29 on: January 02, 2024, 09:00:50 PM »
@partgypsy - no scores are sent by default. You can take the test & then decide what to do with them.

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Re: Do students still need to take the SATs?
« Reply #30 on: January 03, 2024, 12:58:27 PM »
I will talk to dd and go from there.