The 17th is good with me. We can set a time closer to the day. As far as place, I just like SN because it has lots of space, inside and outside in case it rains. I don't eat there, and I don't like beer, so I usually bring my own (water, fruit juice, whatever). I'm not sure what the difference is re: laid-back. I generally just hang out, walk on their trails to the river, listen to the live music, sometimes take a book or computer. The free inside tour is neat if you grew up in the days of Laverne & Shirley. The facility is only about 3 years old, and they have a website if you want to check it out! However, I am open to meeting wherever!