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Re: Your market predictions for 2024
« Reply #100 on: December 28, 2023, 05:05:54 PM »
Well, it seems I've managed to find yet another person who knew all about the pandemic before it happened, but just didn't tell anybody until years later. There seems to be quite a few of these people, I'm surprised how good they are at keeping secrets.

My prediction for 2024 is that some miscalculation leads to an escalation that triggers a nuclear war. Then again, my prediction at the end of 2019 was that 2020 will just be a normal year. 90%+ chance that I'm wrong on this prediction as well, but in the off chance that I'm right you guys can all come back here and tell me how prophetic I am. Briefly, anyway... Happy Festivus!

That's interesting. The guy I know did tell a lot of people and none of them waited until years later to tell anyone. The info spread quickly and it was a warning, not a prediction.

I didn't claim to be a prophet. What happened is I explained what was explained to me beforehand, what played out, and some other details. I don't understand why it's such a big deal to simply share some information, or why the situation seems to be completely ludicrous.

Happy Festivus!

 

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Re: Your market predictions for 2024
« Reply #101 on: December 29, 2023, 11:06:38 AM »
Call it profiling...

But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt since you said you can back it up. So, let's see it. Show us your back-up.

Btw, which Black Mirror episode(s) did you write? Uncredited, I assume? How did you find working with Charlie?

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Re: Your market predictions for 2024
« Reply #102 on: December 29, 2023, 11:09:59 AM »
Well, it seems I've managed to find yet another person who knew all about the pandemic before it happened, but just didn't tell anybody until years later. There seems to be quite a few of these people, I'm surprised how good they are at keeping secrets.

My prediction for 2024 is that some miscalculation leads to an escalation that triggers a nuclear war. Then again, my prediction at the end of 2019 was that 2020 will just be a normal year. 90%+ chance that I'm wrong on this prediction as well, but in the off chance that I'm right you guys can all come back here and tell me how prophetic I am. Briefly, anyway... Happy Festivus!

That's interesting. The guy I know did tell a lot of people and none of them waited until years later to tell anyone. The info spread quickly and it was a warning, not a prediction.

I didn't claim to be a prophet. What happened is I explained what was explained to me beforehand, what played out, and some other details. I don't understand why it's such a big deal to simply share some information, or why the situation seems to be completely ludicrous.

Happy Festivus!
My dad, a former plumber, claimed he invented the beer cooler out of pipe insulation and other people stole his million dollar idea.

Of course, he was a legendary bullshitter so we’ll never know.

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Re: Your market predictions for 2024
« Reply #103 on: December 29, 2023, 11:29:16 AM »
Call it profiling...

But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt since you said you can back it up. So, let's see it. Show us your back-up.

Btw, which Black Mirror episode(s) did you write? Uncredited, I assume? How did you find working with Charlie?

I did not write any black mirror episode it was a sarcastic joke since I already knew the "profiling" was coming.

This isn't the thread for me to back it up but I promise to create a thread on it in the near future. It will need that much space for the deniers to try picking it apart, which isn't going to go over very well for them. Stay tuned.

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Re: Your market predictions for 2024
« Reply #104 on: December 29, 2023, 11:31:39 AM »
Well, it seems I've managed to find yet another person who knew all about the pandemic before it happened, but just didn't tell anybody until years later. There seems to be quite a few of these people, I'm surprised how good they are at keeping secrets.

My prediction for 2024 is that some miscalculation leads to an escalation that triggers a nuclear war. Then again, my prediction at the end of 2019 was that 2020 will just be a normal year. 90%+ chance that I'm wrong on this prediction as well, but in the off chance that I'm right you guys can all come back here and tell me how prophetic I am. Briefly, anyway... Happy Festivus!

That's interesting. The guy I know did tell a lot of people and none of them waited until years later to tell anyone. The info spread quickly and it was a warning, not a prediction.

I didn't claim to be a prophet. What happened is I explained what was explained to me beforehand, what played out, and some other details. I don't understand why it's such a big deal to simply share some information, or why the situation seems to be completely ludicrous.

Happy Festivus!
My dad, a former plumber, claimed he invented the beer cooler out of pipe insulation and other people stole his million dollar idea.

Of course, he was a legendary bullshitter so we’ll never know.


It happens everyday to people. LOL at "of course, he was a legendary bullshitter so we'll never know".

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Re: Your market predictions for 2024
« Reply #105 on: December 29, 2023, 11:54:56 AM »
I did not write any black mirror episode it was a sarcastic joke since I already knew the "profiling" was coming.
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Right now I'm not, but yes, indeed I was before they fired me. You see, there are a lot of facts that have been delivered within that series. Let's call them predictions... These were routinely ordered by people within the company, people with much more authority than production teams or any manager. The thing is, certain messages or themes MUST be written into the script or else it's a no-go.

Well I took their "special messages" and wrote them in a style and fashion in which they became too blatantly obvious and deeply impactful. This caused them to tell me that it was now "too much", and to "tone it down" or "embed it less realistically". I told them to fuck off and write it themselves then. I still have a free lifetime membership from netflix and a box of netflix t-shirts which I use as garage rags...
Hilarious joke. Uncanny delivery.

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Re: Your market predictions for 2024
« Reply #106 on: December 29, 2023, 12:44:11 PM »
I did not write any black mirror episode it was a sarcastic joke since I already knew the "profiling" was coming.
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Right now I'm not, but yes, indeed I was before they fired me. You see, there are a lot of facts that have been delivered within that series. Let's call them predictions... These were routinely ordered by people within the company, people with much more authority than production teams or any manager. The thing is, certain messages or themes MUST be written into the script or else it's a no-go.

Well I took their "special messages" and wrote them in a style and fashion in which they became too blatantly obvious and deeply impactful. This caused them to tell me that it was now "too much", and to "tone it down" or "embed it less realistically". I told them to fuck off and write it themselves then. I still have a free lifetime membership from netflix and a box of netflix t-shirts which I use as garage rags...
Hilarious joke. Uncanny delivery.

You're the only one who didn't realize it was sarcasm. Strange that you find it hilarious. IMO it's just silly, really.

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Re: Your market predictions for 2024
« Reply #107 on: December 29, 2023, 12:51:46 PM »
I did not write any black mirror episode it was a sarcastic joke since I already knew the "profiling" was coming.
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Right now I'm not, but yes, indeed I was before they fired me. You see, there are a lot of facts that have been delivered within that series. Let's call them predictions... These were routinely ordered by people within the company, people with much more authority than production teams or any manager. The thing is, certain messages or themes MUST be written into the script or else it's a no-go.

Well I took their "special messages" and wrote them in a style and fashion in which they became too blatantly obvious and deeply impactful. This caused them to tell me that it was now "too much", and to "tone it down" or "embed it less realistically". I told them to fuck off and write it themselves then. I still have a free lifetime membership from netflix and a box of netflix t-shirts which I use as garage rags...
Hilarious joke. Uncanny delivery.

You're the only one who didn't realize it was sarcasm. Strange that you find it hilarious. IMO it's just silly, really.

Count me in as well.  I'm going to seek out the ignore button.

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Re: Your market predictions for 2024
« Reply #108 on: December 29, 2023, 12:53:45 PM »
I did not write any black mirror episode it was a sarcastic joke since I already knew the "profiling" was coming.
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Right now I'm not, but yes, indeed I was before they fired me. You see, there are a lot of facts that have been delivered within that series. Let's call them predictions... These were routinely ordered by people within the company, people with much more authority than production teams or any manager. The thing is, certain messages or themes MUST be written into the script or else it's a no-go.

Well I took their "special messages" and wrote them in a style and fashion in which they became too blatantly obvious and deeply impactful. This caused them to tell me that it was now "too much", and to "tone it down" or "embed it less realistically". I told them to fuck off and write it themselves then. I still have a free lifetime membership from netflix and a box of netflix t-shirts which I use as garage rags...
Hilarious joke. Uncanny delivery.

You're the only one who didn't realize it was sarcasm. Strange that you find it hilarious. IMO it's just silly, really.

Count me in as well.  I'm going to seek out the ignore button.

My dude....... Relax.

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Re: Your market predictions for 2024
« Reply #109 on: December 29, 2023, 02:15:35 PM »
Ah, the old "it was just a joke" deflection. A classic when someone gets called out but can't handle the embarrassment of being wrong.

"The “just joking” defense, however, uses the joke as a form of deflection. This is a way for children to test boundaries: when they’ve crossed one, they can back away and not take ownership over what they said. This process allows children to learn. They realize where the social boundaries are, and (hopefully) won’t cross them again. By the time someone grows to become an adult, they should have a clear understanding of where these boundaries are. An adult who uses the just joking defense no longer is testing boundaries but is attempting to escape punishment for crossing them." (Laura Tropp)

I assume all the other claims you've made about knowing high level people at various organizations (who are of course nameless) are also jokes?

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Re: Your market predictions for 2024
« Reply #110 on: December 29, 2023, 02:37:32 PM »
Ah, the old "it was just a joke" deflection. A classic when someone gets called out but can't handle the embarrassment of being wrong.

"The “just joking” defense, however, uses the joke as a form of deflection. This is a way for children to test boundaries: when they’ve crossed one, they can back away and not take ownership over what they said. This process allows children to learn. They realize where the social boundaries are, and (hopefully) won’t cross them again. By the time someone grows to become an adult, they should have a clear understanding of where these boundaries are. An adult who uses the just joking defense no longer is testing boundaries but is attempting to escape punishment for crossing them." (Laura Tropp)

I assume all the other claims you've made about knowing high level people at various organizations (who are of course nameless) are also jokes?

Nice try but not the case... I'm a marketer and a day-trader, I am not a Netflix writer. I don't even watch TV and netflix is crap, including that series in my opinion.

I take ownership of what I said by telling you it was sarcasm. It was obvious sarcasm, which is why I wrote it as if I were in fact trying to be a writer for the show. Come on, man. Seriously?

Secondly, I work directly with people at JP Morgan (a company which I could give a flying fuck about as I don't like banks at all) on a regular basis as a marketing consultant. You can choose to believe me or not about the things one of their high-level associates told me and various others. That does not equate to "several claims" of me saying I know "various people at high-level organizations", so if you're so interested in calling me out go back and please re-read what I said so you have a solid understanding of that. All info I received came directly from a singular person.

The quote you posted above aren't even your own words and it's a childish response from someone who's basically just trying to talk shit to me. That's not cool. I'm not talking shit to you, and I'm not degrading you. With that said, allow me to clarify that your opinion about me or my words is none of my business.

This thread is about market predictions. I now feel bad because it went sideways and I'm contributing to that even more by responding to the condescending posts.

Have a good weekend and to everyone else please accept my apology for throwing this off-topic in a way, that was not my intention.

Market predictions, the market in general, and this forum in general are of genuine interest to me. I'm not interested in trying to prove or brag about who I know or what someone else told me, nor am I interested in carrying on the convo any longer. Pardon the interruption. As promised, I'll create an off-topic thread in the near future about the guy who WARNED (not predicted) about the covid/investments/Italy stuff well before it all happened.

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Re: Your market predictions for 2024
« Reply #111 on: December 30, 2023, 06:36:46 AM »
Well, it seems I've managed to find yet another person who knew all about the pandemic before it happened, but just didn't tell anybody until years later. There seems to be quite a few of these people, I'm surprised how good they are at keeping secrets.
In case this includes me, others can click my signature to see for themselves.

Members of Congress sold stock even earlier, based on briefings they received.  Some went so far as to buy stock in companies that would profit off Covid-19.  Wikipedia doesn't list anyone punished as a result, which is an unfortunate lesson: they can get away with it next time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_congressional_insider_trading_scandal

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Re: Your market predictions for 2024
« Reply #112 on: December 30, 2023, 10:36:52 AM »
I'm going to predict VTI will beat SPY on total return.

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Re: Your market predictions for 2024
« Reply #113 on: December 30, 2023, 12:15:31 PM »

Btw, which Black Mirror episode(s) did you write? Uncredited, I assume? How did you find working with Charlie?

I did not write any black mirror episode it was a sarcastic joke since I already knew the "profiling" was coming.

Clearly a jest, and I thought a very well-written response.

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Re: Your market predictions for 2024
« Reply #114 on: December 30, 2023, 06:45:07 PM »
Well, it seems I've managed to find yet another person who knew all about the pandemic before it happened, but just didn't tell anybody until years later. There seems to be quite a few of these people, I'm surprised how good they are at keeping secrets.
In case this includes me, others can click my signature to see for themselves.

Members of Congress sold stock even earlier, based on briefings they received.  Some went so far as to buy stock in companies that would profit off Covid-19.  Wikipedia doesn't list anyone punished as a result, which is an unfortunate lesson: they can get away with it next time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_congressional_insider_trading_scandal
Not at all. You made an actual prediction in the moment, based on the information that you were seeing, and acted on it. Very well done. I remember following your thread back then with curiosity.

I was referring to the numerous people who come out of the woodwork after any major event to tell you that they KNEW this was going to happen, they totally saw it coming, but when queried about why they didn't do anything in response or even say anything at the time they deflect. I seem to have a few of these in my extended family/friend group. My one family member accurately predicted all 20 of the last 2 recessions.

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Re: Your market predictions for 2024
« Reply #115 on: January 02, 2024, 06:21:59 AM »
Wouldn't surprise me if we have down-year. Markets are priced for some very bullish sales and earnings growth which I think companies will struggle to meet in reality:

https://insight.factset.com/sp-500-cy-2024-earnings-preview-analysts-expect-double-digit-earnings-growth

And, we are starting off the year from a point of pretty high short term sentiment following a very strong Q4-23 that will at some point soon will have to be corrected.
« Last Edit: January 02, 2024, 06:23:50 AM by vand »

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Re: Your market predictions for 2024
« Reply #116 on: January 02, 2024, 12:07:55 PM »
Wouldn't surprise me if we have down-year. Markets are priced for some very bullish sales and earnings growth which I think companies will struggle to meet in reality:

https://insight.factset.com/sp-500-cy-2024-earnings-preview-analysts-expect-double-digit-earnings-growth

And, we are starting off the year from a point of pretty high short term sentiment following a very strong Q4-23 that will at some point soon will have to be corrected.

As long as there is war and the massive need for the FED to keep issuing debt, markets will be rising. The economy itself is so radically detached from the stock market at this point it's beyond comprehension.

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Re: Your market predictions for 2024
« Reply #117 on: January 06, 2024, 11:33:13 PM »
Well, it seems I've managed to find yet another person who knew all about the pandemic before it happened, but just didn't tell anybody until years later. There seems to be quite a few of these people, I'm surprised how good they are at keeping secrets.
In case this includes me, others can click my signature to see for themselves.

Members of Congress sold stock even earlier, based on briefings they received.  Some went so far as to buy stock in companies that would profit off Covid-19.  Wikipedia doesn't list anyone punished as a result, which is an unfortunate lesson: they can get away with it next time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_congressional_insider_trading_scandal
Not at all. You made an actual prediction in the moment, based on the information that you were seeing, and acted on it. Very well done. I remember following your thread back then with curiosity.

I was referring to the numerous people who come out of the woodwork after any major event to tell you that they KNEW this was going to happen, they totally saw it coming, but when queried about why they didn't do anything in response or even say anything at the time they deflect. I seem to have a few of these in my extended family/friend group. My one family member accurately predicted all 20 of the last 2 recessions.
Fair enough, and thanks.  If the people you know improve to predicting 5 of the last 2 recessions, they might have a future as Economists.

Although I beat the market every year from 2020-2022, I made numerous mistakes.  If someone claims 2020 or 20/20 hindsight, ask them about mistakes they made investing in it.  I suspect their story will unravel - especially if they didn't invest while claiming to be certain about what the future held.

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Re: Your market predictions for 2024
« Reply #118 on: February 04, 2024, 01:22:50 PM »
Every time I make a fortune based on my deep government and Illuminati connections, I make sure to wait a few years before using my anonymous MMM forum account to let everyone know. Because as a fabulously wealthy person who can predict the movements of the stock market (and civilzation, of course), I have nothing better to do with my time than to brag to a few hundred personal finance nerds about it online. "Give me a moment's rest, Scarlett Johanssen, I'm typing a very important post!"

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Re: Your market predictions for 2024
« Reply #119 on: February 04, 2024, 02:18:22 PM »
Will I catch you at the next illuminati orgy Walt?  Didn't see you last time, but the masks were tricky . . .

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Re: Your market predictions for 2024
« Reply #120 on: February 04, 2024, 04:45:10 PM »
It is Carnevale time . . . so get those masks ready!

Imma give WayDownSouth the benefit of the doubt on the whole pandemic thing because I was also being alerted well before anything was shut down. My employer was making all arrangements and plans for a shut down strategy a few months before the actual shut down in the US happened, and I was unlucky enough to be in those discussions. I say unlucky because it involved a ton of extra work by me. It wasn't sudden at all from my perspective.

And even with all of that warning time, I was too dumb to make any investment changes. Or maybe I was just too overworked and burned out at that time to think clearly and process the information that was being handed to me on silver platters day after day?

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Re: Your market predictions for 2024
« Reply #121 on: February 05, 2024, 11:59:05 AM »
It is Carnevale time . . . so get those masks ready!

Imma give WayDownSouth the benefit of the doubt on the whole pandemic thing because I was also being alerted well before anything was shut down. My employer was making all arrangements and plans for a shut down strategy a few months before the actual shut down in the US happened, and I was unlucky enough to be in those discussions. I say unlucky because it involved a ton of extra work by me. It wasn't sudden at all from my perspective.

And even with all of that warning time, I was too dumb to make any investment changes. Or maybe I was just too overworked and burned out at that time to think clearly and process the information that was being handed to me on silver platters day after day?

And I'm sure your boss was informed by someone, who told him a lot more (or maybe not much apart from the absolute guarantee of a shutdown) who knew more than he did. He took it seriously, it seems. That means he trusted and/or respected whatever was told to him, and he wasn't simply getting his info from CNN while sitting at home after work, imagining that if China has a influenza outbreak (or even a massive shutdown) that it surely would occur here, and that he needed to put serious effort into preparing for it.

Many things fall on deaf ears and whether you tell someone the moment you know it or 4 years afterwards. They simply don't comprehend, believe, or understand how/why it's true or possible. Maybe cognitive dissonance or maybe just plain ignorance but it's interesting how a simple conversation jumps to "secret illuminati information from the masters of the universe that you were specially entitled to since you're an extremely connected high-ranking individual in society".....

100+ people received the same information as me from exact same person, at the exact same time (give or take some hours or maybe a day).

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Re: Your market predictions for 2024
« Reply #122 on: February 05, 2024, 12:57:01 PM »
My employer was making all arrangements and plans for a shut down strategy a few months before the actual shut down in the US happened, and I was unlucky enough to be in those discussions.
Two months before the US shutdown is possible.  Six months before the first case in the US is not.  See WayDownSouth's quote below.

Major players dumped their investments in anything related to travel/hospitality and invested in textiles (face masks), plastics (medical supplies), and medical industry in general - and that began 6 months before the first case of Covid was announce in the US.

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Re: Your market predictions for 2024
« Reply #123 on: February 05, 2024, 02:50:41 PM »
I have no interest in arguing over it anymore, as I already said. But nothing is impossible, and the rest of the info that was given played out to almost 100% accuracy, so I believe what I was told is completely true. I'm not encouraging you to believe or accept it at this point. Doesn't change my life or your life in any way whatsoever today.

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Re: Your market predictions for 2024
« Reply #124 on: February 05, 2024, 04:33:58 PM »
Yes, I'm not going to argue with anyone about it either.

But definitely my employer already knew about the epidemic in China earlier in 2019 than was is reported in the official timeline. Heck, I knew about it by early Dec . . . and I'm a peon in relative terms. I just looked online to see what the official story is: now the official narrative I see online is that patient zero first showed symptoms on Dec 1? LMAO There is absolutely no way that is true. Absolutely not true. I'm not prone to conspiracy theories, but there's some serious revisionist history going on about the timeline of the pandemic for reasons unknown to me. Not sure why other than maybe the Chinese govt is trying to save face and other nations are just going along with it? Whatever, don't really care as it is outside my circle of control, but it is interesting to me that what is going into the official history books does not at all reconcile with the timeline in my memory.

None of this has much to do with market predictions, though.

I still think this year will mostly be sideways in the stock market. It will be a bumpy ride. I think the American inflation numbers and GDP numbers are suspect, or at least the inflation is calculated and reported in a misleading way, and it's suss that GDP and GDI are so disconnected at the moment. So something is fishy in the reports here too.

There seems to be general sentiment that the stock market is quite overvalued and a correction is needed, but I'm actually not sure the big correction will happen because the market seems very detached from reality. I think the American govt has given themselves a free pass to continue kicking the fiscal can down the road, screwing over my kids and grandkids with imprudence. Neither party has any incentive to let the pain happen that should happen. So I'll stand by my decade of nothing prediction from earlier.

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Re: Your market predictions for 2024
« Reply #125 on: February 06, 2024, 12:39:04 AM »
I have no interest in arguing over it anymore, as I already said. But nothing is impossible, and the rest of the info that was given played out to almost 100% accuracy, so I believe what I was told is completely true. I'm not encouraging you to believe or accept it at this point. Doesn't change my life or your life in any way whatsoever today.
You say you don't want to argue about it, and then raise points to argue about.

"... including the first confirmed case of 2019-nCoV infection in the United States, reported on January 20, 2020."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7092802/

You are still claiming to have known about Covid-19 in July 2019, "6 months before the first case of Covid was announce in the US".  Remember when you mocked the Centers for Disease Control (CDC), but refused to provide any source for your claims?

Yeah, no need to check sources.
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According to the CDC, lol....

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Re: Your market predictions for 2024
« Reply #126 on: February 06, 2024, 07:17:52 AM »
COVID 19 Prophet Top is in!

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Re: Your market predictions for 2024
« Reply #127 on: February 06, 2024, 07:39:17 AM »
COVID 19 Prophet Profit Top is in!

Fixed that for you.  :P

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« Reply #128 on: February 07, 2024, 11:12:56 AM »
This isn't the thread for me to back it up but I promise to create a thread on it in the near future. It will need that much space for the deniers to try picking it apart, which isn't going to go over very well for them. Stay tuned.
We're all still waiting with bated breath on this one... My lips are starting to turn blue.

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Re: Your market predictions for 2024
« Reply #129 on: February 07, 2024, 01:11:08 PM »
This isn't the thread for me to back it up but I promise to create a thread on it in the near future. It will need that much space for the deniers to try picking it apart, which isn't going to go over very well for them. Stay tuned.
We're all still waiting with bated breath on this one... My lips are starting to turn blue.

I’m still waiting for these kinds of posters to show their true 5-year, 10-year, and 15-year total returns, not cherry-picked start and stop dates of experiments with small portions of their portfolio. Anyone can get lucky for a year or two but that is useless unless you can sustain it.

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« Reply #130 on: February 07, 2024, 02:54:00 PM »
interesting to me that what is going into the official history books does not at all reconcile with the timeline in my memory.

Oh ok. Your vague memory of when you heard about something, 4 years ago? With some extremely tumultuous event happening in between there.. Yes, there is no way that could be faulty is it!? Here kids, this is why eye witness testimony is pretty crap in court cases, and should rarely be trusted. People can barely remember correctly something they saw an hour ago. Four years ago? Forget it. The combination of dead certainty ("I remember!") with our flawed and selective recollection is a bad combo.

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« Reply #131 on: February 07, 2024, 03:41:32 PM »
Well, unfortunately I had to do quite a lot of work related to shutdown planning, and I also closed on a new house on Halloween 2019 (easy to remember the exact date because my goofy other half was dressed in a costume at the closing.) So I do remember where I was living in specific months during the Fall of 2019 and therefore exactly what the timeline was. You don't have to believe me, though, it doesn't matter at all. Maybe I'm losing my marbles? Could be. Weird that this thread about market predictions is sidetracked by this.

So some market predictions:
My crystal ball says Tesla is going to significantly pull back, but there is a completely separate thread for that.
There will be increasing shortages in the following elements, so in terms of commodities these are still a buy: copper, nickel, lithium, cobalt and, most especially, scandium. Lol.






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Re: Your market predictions for 2024
« Reply #132 on: February 07, 2024, 03:44:05 PM »
I have no interest in arguing over it anymore, as I already said. But nothing is impossible, and the rest of the info that was given played out to almost 100% accuracy, so I believe what I was told is completely true. I'm not encouraging you to believe or accept it at this point. Doesn't change my life or your life in any way whatsoever today.
You say you don't want to argue about it, and then raise points to argue about.

"... including the first confirmed case of 2019-nCoV infection in the United States, reported on January 20, 2020."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7092802/

You are still claiming to have known about Covid-19 in July 2019, "6 months before the first case of Covid was announce in the US".  Remember when you mocked the Centers for Disease Control (CDC), but refused to provide any source for your claims?

Yeah, no need to check sources.
...
According to the CDC, lol....

I didn't claim to know jack shit about Covid-19 in July 2019. I said I was informed about this all on January 31st.

Also, the CDC is a shitshow, and I'll gladly mock them. Look at their track record. Learn something. They are anything but a reliable source of legitimate info, despite that being their purpose for existence.

The person who informed me about this had very close ties to at least one person at CDC and one person at WHO. Additionally, the info about the prior knowledge and insider trading/preparation wasn't exactly published for anyone to see. You think the major news outlets were giving warning about this or something? Doesn't even make sense what you're saying. What I was told played out very very accurately for an event of global scale. I don't need to discuss it anymore with someone who refuses to comprehend the possibility that these things occur. That's all.
« Last Edit: February 07, 2024, 03:45:49 PM by WayDownSouth »

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« Reply #133 on: February 07, 2024, 05:03:12 PM »
Great story bro.

Fwiw I did nothing and knew nothing in advance and somehow still
Ended up much richer. But without any cool stories.

Oh well, guess I’ll go skiing.

-W

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Re: Your market predictions for 2024
« Reply #134 on: February 07, 2024, 09:05:33 PM »
Great story bro.

Fwiw I did nothing and knew nothing in advance and somehow still
Ended up much richer. But without any cool stories.

Oh well, guess I’ll go skiing.

-W

I'm deeply happy to hear how rich you are, Walter. Regarding cool stories, hopefully you'll return with a neat-o skiing story to tell!

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Re: Your market predictions for 2024
« Reply #135 on: February 07, 2024, 11:30:18 PM »
You are still claiming to have known about Covid-19 in July 2019, "6 months before the first case of Covid was announce in the US".
I didn't claim to know jack shit about Covid-19 in July 2019. I said I was informed about this all on January 31st.
Okay, but I quoted your post claiming "[m]ajor players" knew "6 months before the first case of Covid was announce in the US", and you're still standing by that claim?


Major players dumped their investments in anything related to travel/hospitality and invested in textiles (face masks), plastics (medical supplies), and medical industry in general - and that began 6 months before the first case of Covid was announce in the US.

"... including the first confirmed case of 2019-nCoV infection in the United States, reported on January 20, 2020."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7092802/

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« Reply #136 on: February 07, 2024, 11:49:09 PM »
I didn't claim to know jack shit about Covid-19 in July 2019. I said I was informed about this all on January 31st.
You and everyone who watched CNN.  On Jan 31 2020, CNN had breaking news: 10,000 cases in China.  That confirmed a prediction I made in a thread where lots of people discussed "Coronavirus" on Jan 27 2020.  You found out several days after readers of this forum.


If you take 3,000 cases now and extrapolate +50% over the next few days: 4,500.. 6700.. 10,000.
It couldpass 10,000 cases by the end of the week, which I'm guessing will cause more panic.  Even though this virus is less lethal than SARS, people will probably view it the same way, and panic more than they should.

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« Reply #137 on: February 08, 2024, 01:44:23 PM »
I didn't claim to know jack shit about Covid-19 in July 2019. I said I was informed about this all on January 31st.
You and everyone who watched CNN.  On Jan 31 2020, CNN had breaking news: 10,000 cases in China.  That confirmed a prediction I made in a thread where lots of people discussed "Coronavirus" on Jan 27 2020.  You found out several days after readers of this forum.


If you take 3,000 cases now and extrapolate +50% over the next few days: 4,500.. 6700.. 10,000.
It couldpass 10,000 cases by the end of the week, which I'm guessing will cause more panic.  Even though this virus is less lethal than SARS, people will probably view it the same way, and panic more than they should.

I was well aware of the China situation, and well aware of the first US case. That's not the point. The point was that on the 31st of January, I found out that a bunch of people knew many months before and had been planning for it. I also was told Italy would be the first place in the "west" where there would be a significant breakout and that it would result in total lockdowns - and at that point, to be prepared because in a matter of weeks from Italy the same would happen in US. It did. Everything I was told played out. End of story. Take care.
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« Reply #138 on: February 08, 2024, 01:53:22 PM »
I didn't claim to know jack shit about Covid-19 in July 2019. I said I was informed about this all on January 31st.
You and everyone who watched CNN.  On Jan 31 2020, CNN had breaking news: 10,000 cases in China.  That confirmed a prediction I made in a thread where lots of people discussed "Coronavirus" on Jan 27 2020.  You found out several days after readers of this forum.


If you take 3,000 cases now and extrapolate +50% over the next few days: 4,500.. 6700.. 10,000.
It couldpass 10,000 cases by the end of the week, which I'm guessing will cause more panic.  Even though this virus is less lethal than SARS, people will probably view it the same way, and panic more than they should.

BTW I was watching the situation since late December or early January in China when doctors were sharing videos from inside Chinese hospitals, etc... All which were rapidly wiped from the web. The 10k number was supposedly marked wayyyyyyyyy before it was officially announced on the 27th and they expected true numbers were already in the millions by that date but had suppressed them as to not cause panic.. Typical CCP stuff..

Anyway I don't watch CNN and I don't care to discuss the subject anymore.

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« Reply #139 on: February 08, 2024, 05:26:35 PM »
any follow Amit's Youtube channel?

consistent easy to follow market coverage/analysis



got a shoutout this morning after yesterday's 9 hour marathon livestream:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8SmIXdyx7Y&t=183s








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Re: Your market predictions for 2024
« Reply #140 on: January 02, 2025, 10:46:14 AM »
Bump to see how your predictions panned out for 2024

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« Reply #141 on: January 02, 2025, 12:04:02 PM »
Wouldn't surprise me if we have down-year. Markets are priced for some very bullish sales and earnings growth which I think companies will struggle to meet in reality:

https://insight.factset.com/sp-500-cy-2024-earnings-preview-analysts-expect-double-digit-earnings-growth

And, we are starting off the year from a point of pretty high short term sentiment following a very strong Q4-23 that will at some point soon will have to be corrected.

Doh!  Hopefully you didn’t act on your predictions.
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Re: Your market predictions for 2024
« Reply #142 on: January 02, 2025, 12:15:57 PM »
Wasn't there a 2023 Predictions thread? I can't seem to find it. I'd like to review that for kicks.

ChpBstrd's Probably Wrong Initial 2024 Predictions:

1) Inflation falls to near zero as the owner's imputed rent component catches up with this year's drop in house prices (statistical lag is about 15 months). Shelter is already the component keeping Core PCE above 2%. CPI minus shelter is currently 1.5% YoY and falling fast! With short-term rates and QT applying restrictive pressure, it would take a lot for inflation to come back. Something like an oil embargo paired with sudden creation of liquidity would be necessary.

2) Long-term Rates plummet as markets suddenly realize real interest rates are in the extremely restrictive +4-5% territory, and recession risk is higher than previously thought. Inflation is yesterday's news. E.g. if inflation is 1% and the FFR is 5.5%, that's a major disincentive for making purchases. The 10-year yield will fall below 4%. This will deepen the yield curve inversion in the short term. Meanwhile, the Fed starts the 6 month process of cautiously talking about rate cuts before making their first cut in the 2nd half, amid worsening unemployment, leading economic indicators, and bank liquidity. It is possible the Fed will leave QT on autopilot even as it makes the first cuts, because they clearly don't understand the scale of QT's impact on inflation through money supply.

3) Unemployment will rise above 4.5% by July. This is a continuation of the modest trend seen in recent months, and a probably-too-modest expectation after so many rate hikes.

4) Stocks will probably be flat or rise low-single-digits, helped by lower interest rates but harmed by rising unemployment. I don't care, because the bigger action will be in high-duration treasury bonds. ZROZ and EDV could gain over 20% next year, in either a soft landing or hard landing scenario.

5) The Bank Term Funding Program, which bailed out the banking system earlier this year and injected money supply into the system, will be extended in March. It is unclear whether this will be sufficient to keep inflation ex-shelter positive.

6) Housing Prices will continue going up modestly, as buyers increase their conviction that 5% 30y mortgage rates are just around the corner, and that the housing correction is in the rear view mirror. I've been predicting a further correction, but I'm not sure that makes sense anymore if I'm also predicting a fall in long-term rates.

7) A Recession has historically followed rate hiking campaigns 100% of the time when rates rose by more than about 3.75% within a couple of years. We just did 5.25% in 18 months! Similarly the yield curves have been predicting recession for a while now. We are currently within the typical/average timeframe for a recession to start, and the Conference Board's Leading Economic Indicators index continues to point down. A "soft landing" has literally never occurred after such a confluence of events. Still, it takes a lot to put the US economy in reverse, so I will assign only a 75% chance of recession in 2024. That probability is front-loaded, because if the recession doesn't hit within the first 6-8 months of 2024, we are likely out of the woods and on some new, never-before-seen growth trajectory. I can be agnostic about a recession because I think my long-duration bonds will benefit from lower long-term rates regardless of whether we get a recession or soft landing. Rates go down either way.

8) U.S. Elections will probably result in Donald Trump as president and a Republican controlled Senate and House. Whether or not the economy is actually bad, with sub-4% growth and GDP growth that probably exceeds China, people think the economy is bad, and the R's are successfully pinning blame for inflation on Biden. That perception has historically doomed the incumbent party. This is in line with an international trend shifting toward the right, as Western liberals continue de-organizing their grassroots operations and arguing on the internet, mostly about words. Plus Republicans will certainly have assistance from allies abroad, especially on the essentially un-moderated X, TikTok, and Telegram platforms where increasing numbers of voters get their fake news. Cultivating this support is the reason for Republican reluctance to support Ukraine. This electoral outcome will be a signal to pivot back into stocks, as it almost certainly means wealth transfers from the national account to corporate accounts (i.e. tax cuts that raise the national debt) as we saw after 2016.

I am not predicting a debt crisis or the US dollar losing its reserve status in 2024 because everywhere else remains a mess, so TINA. Falling rates in 2024 will trigger a frenzy to lock in yield, which will further suppress yield, supporting the US's debt load. Beyond 2024, however, we'll have to watch to see if China issues a digital currency and regulatory infrastructure for international trade. Xi does not seem particularly forward-thinking on this idea, but you never know. It might happen if sold to Xi in military/strategic terms. If that did happen, I'd become a lot more interested in gold because a digital yuan would imperil the US dollar, and with gold you can avoid being tied to the risks of either reserve currency.
1) Inflation: This prediction looked like it might happen until June 2024. After that point, annualized Core PCE flatlined and then started rising again, ending up at 2.8% in November. Interestingly, the Fed reduced the level of QT in May.


2) Long Term Rates: The 10-year treasury spent 2024 on a roller coaster, starting at 3.9% in January, rising to 4.7 in April, and then back down to 3.75% in September, only to bounce back to 4.6% this week. I wrote my prediction in November 2023, though, when rates had about 60bp left to fall until hitting bottom in early January 2024. I put most of my brokerage assets into long-duration treasuries in November and early December, and sold out near the bottom in January after rates hit my one-year target number. I pocketed $100k from that one-month trade, so I was wrong about the long-term trajectory of treasuries and yet still won the game because it was a good trade regardless of the timing.

3) Unemployment: The unemployment rate hit 4.3% in July, a bit lower than my 4.5% prediction.

4) Stocks: I was dead wrong here. The S&P500 returned 23.95% in 2024, not "flat or single digits". Check your pessimism ChpBstrd!

5) The Bank Term Funding Program: This program ended on schedule, and nothing bad happened. In fact, liquidity measures like the NFCI improved throughout 2024. No CRE inspired banking crisis occurred.

6) Housing Prices: I was wrong here too! Housing prices overall fell in 2024, and mortgage rates remained high.

7) A Recession: This call was a miss because I predicted a recession would probably occur. Instead we got fast economic growth. Again, check that pessimism.

8) U.S. Elections: I nailed this one, and for all the reasons I cited. Perhaps I'm a better political analyst than stock analyst.

I expressed a growing interest in gold that was spot-on. GLD actually outperformed the price return of the S&P500. I remain interested, but now I am afraid of buying a fundamentals-free asset after such a large run-up.

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Re: Your market predictions for 2024
« Reply #143 on: January 02, 2025, 02:09:25 PM »
Wasn't there a 2023 Predictions thread? I can't seem to find it. I'd like to review that for kicks.

ChpBstrd's Probably Wrong Initial 2024 Predictions:

1) Inflation falls to near zero as the owner's imputed rent component catches up with this year's drop in house prices (statistical lag is about 15 months). Shelter is already the component keeping Core PCE above 2%. CPI minus shelter is currently 1.5% YoY and falling fast! With short-term rates and QT applying restrictive pressure, it would take a lot for inflation to come back. Something like an oil embargo paired with sudden creation of liquidity would be necessary.

2) Long-term Rates plummet as markets suddenly realize real interest rates are in the extremely restrictive +4-5% territory, and recession risk is higher than previously thought. Inflation is yesterday's news. E.g. if inflation is 1% and the FFR is 5.5%, that's a major disincentive for making purchases. The 10-year yield will fall below 4%. This will deepen the yield curve inversion in the short term. Meanwhile, the Fed starts the 6 month process of cautiously talking about rate cuts before making their first cut in the 2nd half, amid worsening unemployment, leading economic indicators, and bank liquidity. It is possible the Fed will leave QT on autopilot even as it makes the first cuts, because they clearly don't understand the scale of QT's impact on inflation through money supply.

3) Unemployment will rise above 4.5% by July. This is a continuation of the modest trend seen in recent months, and a probably-too-modest expectation after so many rate hikes.

4) Stocks will probably be flat or rise low-single-digits, helped by lower interest rates but harmed by rising unemployment. I don't care, because the bigger action will be in high-duration treasury bonds. ZROZ and EDV could gain over 20% next year, in either a soft landing or hard landing scenario.

5) The Bank Term Funding Program, which bailed out the banking system earlier this year and injected money supply into the system, will be extended in March. It is unclear whether this will be sufficient to keep inflation ex-shelter positive.

6) Housing Prices will continue going up modestly, as buyers increase their conviction that 5% 30y mortgage rates are just around the corner, and that the housing correction is in the rear view mirror. I've been predicting a further correction, but I'm not sure that makes sense anymore if I'm also predicting a fall in long-term rates.

7) A Recession has historically followed rate hiking campaigns 100% of the time when rates rose by more than about 3.75% within a couple of years. We just did 5.25% in 18 months! Similarly the yield curves have been predicting recession for a while now. We are currently within the typical/average timeframe for a recession to start, and the Conference Board's Leading Economic Indicators index continues to point down. A "soft landing" has literally never occurred after such a confluence of events. Still, it takes a lot to put the US economy in reverse, so I will assign only a 75% chance of recession in 2024. That probability is front-loaded, because if the recession doesn't hit within the first 6-8 months of 2024, we are likely out of the woods and on some new, never-before-seen growth trajectory. I can be agnostic about a recession because I think my long-duration bonds will benefit from lower long-term rates regardless of whether we get a recession or soft landing. Rates go down either way.

8) U.S. Elections will probably result in Donald Trump as president and a Republican controlled Senate and House. Whether or not the economy is actually bad, with sub-4% growth and GDP growth that probably exceeds China, people think the economy is bad, and the R's are successfully pinning blame for inflation on Biden. That perception has historically doomed the incumbent party. This is in line with an international trend shifting toward the right, as Western liberals continue de-organizing their grassroots operations and arguing on the internet, mostly about words. Plus Republicans will certainly have assistance from allies abroad, especially on the essentially un-moderated X, TikTok, and Telegram platforms where increasing numbers of voters get their fake news. Cultivating this support is the reason for Republican reluctance to support Ukraine. This electoral outcome will be a signal to pivot back into stocks, as it almost certainly means wealth transfers from the national account to corporate accounts (i.e. tax cuts that raise the national debt) as we saw after 2016.

I am not predicting a debt crisis or the US dollar losing its reserve status in 2024 because everywhere else remains a mess, so TINA. Falling rates in 2024 will trigger a frenzy to lock in yield, which will further suppress yield, supporting the US's debt load. Beyond 2024, however, we'll have to watch to see if China issues a digital currency and regulatory infrastructure for international trade. Xi does not seem particularly forward-thinking on this idea, but you never know. It might happen if sold to Xi in military/strategic terms. If that did happen, I'd become a lot more interested in gold because a digital yuan would imperil the US dollar, and with gold you can avoid being tied to the risks of either reserve currency.
1) Inflation: This prediction looked like it might happen until June 2024. After that point, annualized Core PCE flatlined and then started rising again, ending up at 2.8% in November. Interestingly, the Fed reduced the level of QT in May.


2) Long Term Rates: The 10-year treasury spent 2024 on a roller coaster, starting at 3.9% in January, rising to 4.7 in April, and then back down to 3.75% in September, only to bounce back to 4.6% this week. I wrote my prediction in November 2023, though, when rates had about 60bp left to fall until hitting bottom in early January 2024. I put most of my brokerage assets into long-duration treasuries in November and early December, and sold out near the bottom in January after rates hit my one-year target number. I pocketed $100k from that one-month trade, so I was wrong about the long-term trajectory of treasuries and yet still won the game because it was a good trade regardless of the timing.

3) Unemployment: The unemployment rate hit 4.3% in July, a bit lower than my 4.5% prediction.

4) Stocks: I was dead wrong here. The S&P500 returned 23.95% in 2024, not "flat or single digits". Check your pessimism ChpBstrd!

5) The Bank Term Funding Program: This program ended on schedule, and nothing bad happened. In fact, liquidity measures like the NFCI improved throughout 2024. No CRE inspired banking crisis occurred.

6) Housing Prices: I was wrong here too! Housing prices overall fell in 2024, and mortgage rates remained high.

7) A Recession: This call was a miss because I predicted a recession would probably occur. Instead we got fast economic growth. Again, check that pessimism.

8) U.S. Elections: I nailed this one, and for all the reasons I cited. Perhaps I'm a better political analyst than stock analyst.

I expressed a growing interest in gold that was spot-on. GLD actually outperformed the price return of the S&P500. I remain interested, but now I am afraid of buying a fundamentals-free asset after such a large run-up.

Thank you for critiquing yours!  I saw it in the thread but didn't even know where to look for some of the things... ha ha!  Now... the question is, was your pessimism just a bit early?!

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« Reply #144 on: January 02, 2025, 02:27:47 PM »
Could be a huge drop coming this year.

Or not.

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Re: Your market predictions for 2024
« Reply #145 on: January 02, 2025, 02:29:29 PM »
Bump to see how your predictions panned out for 2024

I'm still awaiting Black Mirror Season 7.

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« Reply #146 on: January 02, 2025, 03:28:18 PM »
I predicted I didn't know what would happen, and I was right!

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Re: Your market predictions for 2024
« Reply #147 on: January 02, 2025, 05:47:50 PM »
Thank you for critiquing yours!  I saw it in the thread but didn't even know where to look for some of the things... ha ha!  Now... the question is, was your pessimism just a bit early?!
One never knows! But I will say the economic metrics and recession predictors look a lot better now than they did in November 2023. For example, there are hotly debated questions about whether the inverted yield curve is the signal or if un-inversion of the yield curve is the signal!

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« Reply #148 on: January 03, 2025, 07:55:15 PM »