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Re: The first ___$ is the hardest, after that things start moving fast
« Reply #50 on: December 10, 2024, 11:21:57 AM »
TBH I don't feel any richer at $1.6 million than I did at $1 million and I am not sure why. 

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Re: The first ___$ is the hardest, after that things start moving fast
« Reply #51 on: December 10, 2024, 01:16:55 PM »
TBH I don't feel any richer at $1.6 million than I did at $1 million and I am not sure why.

Once you meet basic needs (food, clothing, shelter) there's really only hobbies and status signaling left to spend money on.  There are a few expensive ones, but most hobbies tend to eat more time than money . . . so if you're not into the status signaling you've probably long ago maxed out everything that there really is to spend on for you.

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Re: The first ___$ is the hardest, after that things start moving fast
« Reply #52 on: December 10, 2024, 02:54:31 PM »
TBH I don't feel any richer at $1.6 million than I did at $1 million and I am not sure why.

Once you meet basic needs (food, clothing, shelter) there's really only hobbies and status signaling left to spend money on.  There are a few expensive ones, but most hobbies tend to eat more time than money . . . so if you're not into the status signaling you've probably long ago maxed out everything that there really is to spend on for you.

I'd agree with GuitarStv's assessment. Unless you're on the consumption treadmill then it's pretty abstract after your basic nut is covered.

Also, thanks to inflation, 1.6 is the new 1.0. :-/

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Re: The first ___$ is the hardest, after that things start moving fast
« Reply #53 on: December 10, 2024, 04:08:51 PM »
TBH I don't feel any richer at $1.6 million than I did at $1 million and I am not sure why.

Once you meet basic needs (food, clothing, shelter) there's really only hobbies and status signaling left to spend money on.  There are a few expensive ones, but most hobbies tend to eat more time than money . . . so if you're not into the status signaling you've probably long ago maxed out everything that there really is to spend on for you.

I'd agree with GuitarStv's assessment. Unless you're on the consumption treadmill then it's pretty abstract after your basic nut is covered.

Also, thanks to inflation, 1.6 is the new 1.0. :-/

All good points. My lifestyle hasn't changed at all. Same routine, same hobbies. I've never been a big spender.

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Re: The first ___$ is the hardest, after that things start moving fast
« Reply #54 on: December 11, 2024, 07:27:43 AM »
Also, thanks to inflation, 1.6 is the new 1.0. :-/

I definitely don't "feel" better off, namely because we are spending more and saving less than we were last, at the height of our savings rate.  I'm not worried about it per se, we have consciously let the purse strings loosen, but it doesn't feel great.


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Re: The first ___$ is the hardest, after that things start moving fast
« Reply #55 on: December 11, 2024, 10:25:53 AM »
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Also, thanks to inflation, 1.6 is the new 1.0. :-/

According to this inflation calculator, that is only accurate if you're looking for $1M in year 2005 inflation-adjusted dollars.

https://www.usinflationcalculator.com

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Re: The first ___$ is the hardest, after that things start moving fast
« Reply #56 on: December 11, 2024, 02:49:25 PM »
If I could suggest, and I’m no where near that figure, how much financial freedom do we need…..how much is enough? 1m? 2?

Also, life challenges don’t just disappear with surplus of money…I think it’s about enjoying whatever bank balance we’re at perhaps…..sorry for going full hippy….

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Re: The first ___$ is the hardest, after that things start moving fast
« Reply #57 on: December 25, 2024, 02:48:58 PM »
how much financial freedom do we need…..how much is enough? 1m? 2?

This is the question I'm asking myself now. Now that I have some money (250k) and I'm making progress I feel like I would want more money for some more security and some better experiences.

I'm pretty minimalist (hell, I live n my SUV) but I do feel like I would like to go a little above and beyond. Especially if I ever want to have a family.

Basically I've felt 500k is the absolute minimum and is lean as I can get. At my current pace if the market stays strong I'm about 2 years from that.

But that seems really low. I kind of feel like 1 mil is solid, then beyond that is better for security and spending a bit more.

Some day i want to settle on a number. For now I'm just trying to get to 500k ASAP.

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Re: The first ___$ is the hardest, after that things start moving fast
« Reply #58 on: February 02, 2025, 11:37:54 AM »
Personally the one that always stuck with me was what an older and successful investor told me.. it went something like this-

"The first million is the hardest. The second million is hard too, but you have some help from the first one and have learnt a few tricks along the way. By the time you're working on your third million your only thought is how easy it is..."

I was ruminating more on the nature of compounding and timelines, and I really like the idea of subdiving the journey into "thirds". Take the case of

- typical person saving for retirement throughout a working career of 35 years
- saves £x per month, and can increase it by 2%/yr in real terms
- investment vehicle returns 7%/yr real


Of your final pot you build after 35 years:

the first 1/3 of it took 61% of your working career (21.1 years) to achieve. Goddangit, that fresh faced graduate is now a burnt-out mid-40s mid career stalwart with a rapidly expanding waistline and rapidly receeding hairline.

The middle 1/3 takes a further 24% of your career (8.4yrs) to achieve.  All the money you have built up is slowly building up a head of steam and working away, so that the 2nd third is considerably easier to achieve. Still, 8.4years is still 2 full olympiads plus change, and you're acutely aware that you have far more years behind you than you still have ahead, so a bit early to be breaking out the bubbly.   

The final 1/3 is the endgame.  To go from 2/3 to 3/3 takes just the final 15% of the career (5.25yrs).That's over 4 times quicker than it took to build the first third!  Your money is compounding so quickly for you now that it makes your head spin how the nominal numbers are changing as much in a month as they did in a year or more at the start.   
« Last Edit: February 02, 2025, 11:42:48 AM by vand »

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Re: The first ___$ is the hardest, after that things start moving fast
« Reply #59 on: February 02, 2025, 12:00:33 PM »
I think the first million is so hard for most people that they never reach 2.

I think the issue there is never reaching the first million.  I don't know the stats but I'd bet that most people who reach the first also reach the second.

Based on this website, if you have 1 million (for one person) you are in the top 6% of wealth in the USA, and top 1% globally. If its split between two people you are in the top 12% of wealth in the USA and top 3% globally. https://wid.world/income-comparator/.

Forums like this (and most places online) start to distort peoples thinking about what is okay or normal.

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Re: The first ___$ is the hardest, after that things start moving fast
« Reply #60 on: February 02, 2025, 12:10:18 PM »
I think the first million is so hard for most people that they never reach 2.

I think the issue there is never reaching the first million.  I don't know the stats but I'd bet that most people who reach the first also reach the second.

Based on this website, if you have 1 million (for one person) you are in the top 6% of wealth in the USA, and top 1% globally. If its split between two people you are in the top 12% of wealth in the USA and top 3% globally. https://wid.world/income-comparator/.

Forums like this (and most places online) start to distort peoples thinking about what is okay or normal.

$1m is just a convenient round number to highlight the point. You can use any number as long as its "difficult-but-achieveable" to highlight the point. In my example of "thirds" above, I have deliberately kept the amounts as $x, because the nominal numbers don't change the timelines.

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Re: The first ___$ is the hardest, after that things start moving fast
« Reply #61 on: February 03, 2025, 07:03:41 AM »
I think the first million is so hard for most people that they never reach 2.

I think the issue there is never reaching the first million.  I don't know the stats but I'd bet that most people who reach the first also reach the second.

Based on this website, if you have 1 million (for one person) you are in the top 6% of wealth in the USA, and top 1% globally. If its split between two people you are in the top 12% of wealth in the USA and top 3% globally. https://wid.world/income-comparator/.

Forums like this (and most places online) start to distort peoples thinking about what is okay or normal.

How is India's median wealth relevant to Americans?  Americans pay the cost of living where they live, not in the poorest countries around the world.  The median income in the U.S. is only $37.6k, while someone retiring on $1 million could expect to withdraw $40k/year using the 4% rule.