Author Topic: Cash flow - where should it go...  (Read 1666 times)

catccc

  • Handlebar Stache
  • *****
  • Posts: 1921
  • Location: SE PA
Cash flow - where should it go...
« on: August 15, 2021, 12:34:11 AM »
We used to sit on a big pile of cash, maybe $40K-$60K+ depending on the time of year.  This was not invested because it was intended to be used for any of these outflows: car replacement, home purchase down payment, maxing out IRAs every January, 'funding' certain discretionary accounts (we use YNAB) at the start of every year.  And last and least, emergencies.  The only change it ever saw for many years was the annual maxing out of our two IRAs at the start of every year and funding vacation and fun fund (DH and I each have an annual 'anything goes' allowances).  Well, we drained that cash (plus liquidated another $50K out of our taxable brokerage account) when we made a down payment on our first home last month.

We are maxing out our two IRAs, my 401K, and DH's 403b & 457.  (Well, nearly maxing for those last two.  Max would be $39K, but DH's salary is just under $43K, and he needs to cover FICA and benefit costs.  We get really close, but are short of maxing by ~$1,200.)  Before our home purchase, we were also investing $1,300/mo into a taxable brokerage account, investing $400/mo into 529s and kiddo brokerage accounts.  Any 3rd paycheck in a month, bonuses, random $ received would be saved as part of the big pile of cash, and would go to our IRAs in January.

Anyway, to my question.  Should I halt or reduce taxable investments to rebuild cash?  Should I aim to have a lump sum of $12K to dump into our IRAs come January?  Or continue to invest what I can in taxable accounts, and when January rolls around and we can contribute to IRAs again, just start doing that biweekly instead of feeling smart that it's all done on January 2nd?
« Last Edit: August 15, 2021, 10:14:26 AM by catccc »

Rob_bob

  • Bristles
  • ***
  • Posts: 461
  • Location: Oregon
Re: Cash flow - where should it go...
« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2021, 02:39:47 PM »
I would suggest you bring your emergency fund up to whatever level works for you.

Since you have purchased a house you won't need to have cash for a down payment so you can adjust your cash number lower.

Use funds that would have gone into a taxable account first.

catccc

  • Handlebar Stache
  • *****
  • Posts: 1921
  • Location: SE PA
Re: Cash flow - where should it go...
« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2021, 02:51:36 PM »
Thanks!  Okay, so let's say the emergency fund is either loaded or unnecessary (considering using margin loans as EF).

I have $12K cash now.  What's the best move - Do I save that for 1/1 Roth IRA maxing?  Or just invest that now in a taxable account and invest in the Roth as I accrue cash in 2022?

Xlar

  • Bristles
  • ***
  • Posts: 264
Re: Cash flow - where should it go...
« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2021, 03:59:37 PM »
See this thread for the recommended investment order: https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/investor-alley/investment-order/

catccc

  • Handlebar Stache
  • *****
  • Posts: 1921
  • Location: SE PA
Re: Cash flow - where should it go...
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2021, 04:10:15 PM »
See this thread for the recommended investment order: https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/investor-alley/investment-order/

Thanks, I have looked at that before, and I think big picture I do exactly that...  But I guess I was having trouble wrapping my head around the details.  It puts the IRA before the taxable investing, and our IRAs are maxed already for the year.  If maxing an IRA is the higher priority, that would lead me to think that I should save my cash to max for 2022 ASAP.  But I guess it would be silly to be constantly hoarding cash to max future years' IRAs, whether it's one year out or more.  So I guess the answer is invest in taxable now.  Then stop investing in taxable come 1/1/2022 and and shift excess cash to IRAs until they are maxed, then go back to taxable.  I guess I just wanted the answer to be otherwise because I always felt like a champ maxing out our IRAs on January 2nd each year, and that won't be happening anymore with this approach!  Oh well!

MDM

  • Senior Mustachian
  • ********
  • Posts: 11713
Re: Cash flow - where should it go...
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2021, 05:39:37 PM »
So I guess the answer is invest in taxable now.  Then stop investing in taxable come 1/1/2022 and and shift excess cash to IRAs until they are maxed, then go back to taxable.  I guess I just wanted the answer to be otherwise because I always felt like a champ maxing out our IRAs on January 2nd each year, and that won't be happening anymore with this approach!  Oh well!
If the market goes up between now and 1/2/2022, you can congratulate yourself on a wise choice if you invest in taxable now.

If the market goes down between now and 1/2/2022, you can congratulate yourself on a wise choice if you hold cash now.

Whichever you choose, the fact that you are investing at all is likely to be much more important to your retirement than whether you hold cash for a while to do a lump sum IRA contribution, vs. making monthly IRA contributions.

catccc

  • Handlebar Stache
  • *****
  • Posts: 1921
  • Location: SE PA
Re: Cash flow - where should it go...
« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2021, 07:44:44 AM »
If the market goes up between now and 1/2/2022, you can congratulate yourself on a wise choice if you invest in taxable now.

If the market goes down between now and 1/2/2022, you can congratulate yourself on a wise choice if you hold cash now.

Whichever you choose, the fact that you are investing at all is likely to be much more important to your retirement than whether you hold cash for a while to do a lump sum IRA contribution, vs. making monthly IRA contributions.
[/quote]

Right!  And keep it simple- invest what you can, when you can (& where you can), don't try to time the market!