Author Topic: Rocket Lab (RKLB) - Finally a decent space company that we can invest in?  (Read 114791 times)

Herbert Derp

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As a cautionary note for investors, here is a recent article about Rocket Lab’s lack of profitability:
https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/07/rocket-lab-not-yet-close-to-profitability-proxy-statement-reveals/

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Rocket Lab experienced net losses of $30 million and $55 million in 2019 and 2020, respectively. Given the company's financial position, an independent auditor, according to the proxy statement, "expressed substantial doubt" about Rocket Lab's "ability to continue as a going concern."

Rocket Lab reported revenue of $48 million in 2019 and $35 million in 2020. The decrease last year was due, in part, to the COVID-19 pandemic, the company said. It has contracts for 15 additional Electron launches for this year and beyond, valued at $127 million in launch and space systems revenue.

As of March 31 of this year, Rocket Lab has $34.2 million of cash and cash equivalents on hand. In addition to this, the company said it has access to both a $35 million revolving line of credit and a $100 million secured loan with Hercules Capital that is not repayable until June 2024. Rocket Lab acknowledged that there may be a fairly long pathway to profitability.

"We expect to continue to incur net losses for the next several years and we may not achieve or maintain profitability in the future," the proxy statement says.

Shareholders in Vector are due to vote on the proposed merger at a meeting on August 20. This merger will provide Rocket Lab with about $500 million in cash.

Lack of profitability is normal for a space company. Even SpaceX wasn’t profitable for most of its existence. However, the lack of profitability is definitely a huge risk.

Most importantly, I think there is a good chance that companies like Rocket Lab and Astra chose to go public because they ran out of money on the private market. Perhaps it was a choice between taking the SPAC money and going bankrupt for them. Definitely something that investors should consider!

That being said, Rocket Lab has solid revenue and is continuing to develop their technology at a rapid pace. I believe that their revenue will grow significantly as their launch cadence increases. I think if they can stay the course, profitability is very achievable for them.
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While I agree with you, this seems like a non-issue post merger. The cash on hand, the extra cash about to be injected in, the line of credit all seem to be plenty to keep Rocket Lab going.

Definitely a risk, but I didn't buy in expecting them to start flirting with profitability for 3-5 years and I expect real returns are 10 years out.

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Agreed that the $750MM in cash from the SPAC is enough to fund Rocket Lab for a long time. I don't think they are at any risk of going bankrupt in the next five years or so.

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I would also have expected RL to have a particularly bad year in 2020 from the significant travel lockdowns in New Zealand.  Guess this is also a risk going forward for the next hand full of years.

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Congrats to Rocket Lab for their successful mission last night!

They have three more missions planned for 2021, one of which will include another booster recovery splashdown test. This third splashdown test will test a "deployable decelerator" intended to reduce the heat load on the stage by a factor of 10 so that it is protected from damage during reentry.

In 2022, Rocket Lab should be ready to start recovering and reusing its boosters.

As for the financial issue, here are some numbers to put this into perspective:
  • Rocket Lab lost $55MM in 2020. They expect to have $750MM in cash after the merger is complete. This is enough cash to last them 13.6 years assuming they keep losing $55MM each year.
  • Rocket Lab lost $55MM in 2020. The company is expected to be valued at $4.1B after the merger is complete. If they issue more shares to cover this annual loss, it would represent a 1.3% dilution.

So as far as I can tell, Rocket Lab is actually quite flush with cash and it would be very difficult for them to go bankrupt anytime soon. The main risk here is Neutron R&D which is expected to cost about $200MM. If Rocket Lab blows past that estimated cost, it could put them into hot water.

I would also have expected RL to have a particularly bad year in 2020 from the significant travel lockdowns in New Zealand.  Guess this is also a risk going forward for the next hand full of years.

Keep in mind that Rocket Lab also has a launchpad in Wallops, VA that they will be using for Electron once NASA approves their Autonomous Flight Termination System.
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One more observation. Apparently ULA did an analysis about the small launch provider market:
https://twitter.com/torybruno/status/1420332078571327488

They assessed the size of the market and determined that there is only room for two small launch providers. Basically, this is another dimension of the business moat which I referred to in my previous post. There are only two small launch providers in existence who have achieved commercial launches: Rocket Lab and Virgin Orbit. Rocket Lab is far ahead of Virgin Orbit in terms of experience (21 launches vs 3), and their launches cost about half the price of Virgin Orbit. Astra is not far behind and should have their first commercial flight this year. In my opinion, Astra's technology and business model makes much more sense than Virgin Orbit. Virgin Orbit has also demonstrated that they can't efficiently execute on R&D in either cost or time, as I mentioned earlier.

If Rocket Lab and Astra can establish themselves in the small launch market then there simply won't be room for anyone else in the market, nevermind the huge R&D costs and time investment needed to compete with them. This means that any new startup competitor has to jump straight to larger rockets instead of practicing with small rockets, making it even harder for them to establish themselves.

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Fusion companies?
« Reply #56 on: July 29, 2021, 09:07:35 PM »
Are there any companies working on nuclear fusion that one can invest in?

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Re: Fusion companies?
« Reply #57 on: July 29, 2021, 11:16:03 PM »
Are there any companies working on nuclear fusion that one can invest in?

Lockheed Martin. They are working on nuclear thermal rocket propulsion and compact nuclear fusion reactors.

I think that all of the other companies working on nuclear fusion and nuclear thermal rockets are private. Some examples of these are General Atomics, General Fusion, Helion Energy, and Blue Origin. By the way, nuclear thermal rocket designs like the one in the DRACO program currently use nuclear fission, not nuclear fusion. I would expect that once working compact nuclear fusion reactors are developed, they would be used to power nuclear thermal rockets as this would eliminate the dangerous radiation from fission reactors.

In any case, a spacecraft equipped with a nuclear thermal rocket engine would be revolutionary compared to anything that exists today. Such a spacecraft could travel from Earth to Mars in a matter of weeks compared to the months needed by conventional spacecraft. If that spacecraft also used a compact nuclear fusion reactor, even better, but not strictly necessary.

Also, there are a couple of companies developing low-powered electric propulsion systems that use nuclear fusion, including Astra Space. However, this is just for spacecraft and space tugs that accelerate extremely slowly over long distances, and not as exciting as power generating fusion reactors or high-powered nuclear thermal rockets.
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Some interesting news today:
https://www.reddit.com/r/RocketLab/comments/ook4cf/rocketlab_stock_discussion_thread_2021_q3/h6oh5pl/

What this filing seems to mean is that Rocket Lab shareholders are incentivized if the stock price reaches $20 / share between 3-6 months from IPO date. Not super clear to me exactly which shareholders are eligible for the incentive. Regardless, it seems company insiders see a good chance of the stock price doubling in the next six months!
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Re: Fusion companies?
« Reply #59 on: July 31, 2021, 06:41:04 AM »
I would expect that once working compact nuclear fusion reactors are developed, they would be used to power nuclear thermal rockets as this would eliminate the dangerous radiation from fission reactors.

A note on fusion...it's still in the crazy early stages. Yes, there has been some work recently where actual fusion has occurred for a short while, but compact nuclear fusion reactors still feel a looooong way off.


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Some news for Astra today! They have scheduled their next launch for August 27th. This will also be their first commercial launch:
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/05/astra-targeting-late-august-for-next-launch-with-space-force-satellite.html

The stock is up over 20% on the news.

Here is a good video about upcoming catalysts for Astra stock:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jMJujIfoAk

One takeaway from that video is that Astra is actually ahead of schedule right now, and their schedule was already extremely ambitious.

Astra plans for an extremely rapid launch cadence over the next few years:
  • One launch a month by the start of 2022
  • One launch a week by 2023
  • Two launches a week by 2024
  • One launch a day by 2025
Furthermore, they have a contract with Nasdaq to livestream all of their launches on a giant billboard in Times Square until 2025. All those rockets blasting off are bound to capture some attention!
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Some news for Astra today! They have scheduled their next launch for August 27th. This will also be their first commercial launch:
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/05/astra-targeting-late-august-for-next-launch-with-space-force-satellite.html

The stock is up over 20% on the news.


Good thing, too. I picked up some shares last week (?) but at $9.xx, so for me it's up not quite 10%. In the game though.

I like the launch cadence and the Times Square contract. :)

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Very glad I finally decided to get into ASTR on Monday....

I doubt these levels will hold forever, but it's great to see them ahead of schedule! Assuming this launch goes well, it'll re-enforce my plan to start pouring more into them.

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If Astra's first commercial flight is a success, I'll add them to the title of this topic as well. This topic has really become a Rocket Lab and Astra discussion!

On the subject of Rocket Lab, it looks like they will be announcing more information about the Neutron rocket at or around the SPAC merge date:
https://www.reddit.com/r/RocketLab/comments/oxfjv6/from_the_updated_investor_presentation/

VACQ shareholders will be voting to approve the merger on August 20th (I have already cast my votes in favor!):
https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20210722005377/en/Vector-Acquisition-Corporation-Announces-Effectiveness-of-Registration-Statement-and-Annual-Meeting-Set-for-August-20-2021-to-Approve-Proposed-Merger-with-Rocket-Lab

Finally, Elon Musk had some interesting things to say about grid fins on Twitter:
Quote from: Elon Musk
Grid fin designs clearly work, but do they maximize payload? Good chance that they do not.

Something with much more drag to reduce terminal velocity & so reduce landing propellant might have better performance. Not sure.

Potential future optimization.

He says that something with much more drag to reduce terminal velocity and reduce landing propellant might have better performance than grid fins. Well, guess who doesn't have grid fins on their reusable rockets and is soon going to test a "deployable decelerator" intended to slow their boosters down during reentry? Rocket Lab! Many people were very surprised when they saw that the design of the Neutron rocket does not include grid fins. It looks like Rocket Lab is on to something here!
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In recent news, Rocket Lab and Astra have landed some new contracts.

The space manufacturing company Varda just signed a deal with Rocket Lab to buy three Photon spacecraft. They want to attach some sort of mini space factory to the Photon and then use a capsule to drop the manufactured product back down to Earth. Presumably, this process would work better on board a commercial space station but for now I guess we have Photon. I would never have anticipated this use case!
https://techcrunch.com/2021/08/11/space-manufacturing-startup-varda-inks-deal-with-rocket-lab-for-three-spacecraft/

Astra has been added to a pool of 20 launch providers for the US Space Force. This doesn't actually mean they've won a contract to launch payloads, just that they will be allowed to bid on certain missions.
https://spacenews.com/abl-astra-relativity-selected-to-compete-for-u-s-space-force-responsive-launch-contracts/

Finally, Astra just added a former high ranking DOD member to their board of directors. Maybe her connections will help them to win more of those Space Force contracts?
https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20210811005804/en/
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What an exciting time to be invested into space!

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Another day, another launch contract. This time for Astra:
https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20210812005560/en/

I’m starting to see the feasibility of Rocket Lab and Astra’s optimistic revenue projections. It seems like there are multiple contracts being announced every week. Business is booming!

Also, we have a new interview with Peter Beck and Al Jazeera. No new information here, but good to see him getting more press coverage:
https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2021/8/9/peter-beck-the-new-zealand-elon-musk-on-living-his-space-dreams

Finally, here is a video from a few days ago of Astra doing a static fire test of its rocket which is due to launch later this month. I can't wait!
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Astra just posted their first quarterly earnings report. Their financial picture is not quite as rosy as Rocket Lab:
https://investor.astra.com/news-releases/news-release-details/astra-announces-second-quarter-2021-financial-results

Astra has $452.4MM on hand as of June 30th. In the first half of 2021, they burned through about $54.6MM in operating expenses (up from $22.5MM in the first half of 2020), and also spent $134MM to acquire Apollo Fusion so that they can build their own competitor to Rocket Lab's Photon. To put this into perspective, Astra seems to be burning through their cash at twice the rate of Rocket Lab which had a net loss of $55MM last year while Astra lost $54.6MM in just the last six months. Furthermore, Rocket Lab will have about $750MM in cash on hand after their merger, much more than Astra. Finally, Rocket Lab has revenue to help offset some of their losses, while Astra does not.

Assuming their current operating loss remains constant and they don't keep buying expensive companies, this gives them just over four years of runway before they burn through all of their cash. That being said, they still have yet to earn any revenue to offset these operating expenses. Once they can start to earn some money, it should really extend that runway. However, the fact that Astra is burning through cash at twice the rate of Rocket Lab while having less cash on hand and no revenue should not be ignored.

In other news, Rocket Lab did a nice interview on YouTube yesterday about their plans to build spacecraft to explore the solar system. It's very informative, check it out!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPsFymrE31k
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If anyone is interested in seeing what the rocket factories are like for Rocket Lab, Astra, and some of their competitors, here are some cool videos. A bunch of them came out in just the last few weeks!

As you can see, all of these companies are hustling hard! It really is a new space race. I was especially impressed by the sheer scale of the work being done at SpaceX, which reminded me of a scene from Independence Day or something. I bet that footage will be used as the basis for future movie scenes. Relativity Space is also super interesting with their cutting edge 3D printers and nerdy StarCraft references.

It's interesting to note the differences in philosophy between companies like Astra and Relativity Space who seem to have completely opposite approaches to rocket construction. Only time will tell who's approach will win out in the end. Although, the one thing that all of these companies share is vertical integration and rapid iterative development which is the key difference between Old Space and New Space.

Rocket Lab Factory Tour

Astra Factory Tour

SpaceX Factory Tour (Part 1)
SpaceX Factory Tour (Part 2)
SpaceX Factory Tour (Part 3)

Relativity Space Factory Tour

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I wanted to point out one key advantage that Astra has over its competitors which just dawned on me today. Astra's launch system is designed to be rapidly deployable to bare concrete pads anywhere in the world using standard shipping containers, is highly automated, and can be operated by minimal personnel. As I mentioned earlier, Astra is very close to the US government. Astra has a long history with DARPA starting all the way back in 2005, and has built their facility on a repurposed US Navy air station. Chris Kemp worked with the White House to develop the cloud computing strategy for the U.S. federal government and Michèle Flournoy was a high-ranking member of the Department of Defense--the principal advisor to the Secretary of Defense in the formulation of national security and defense policy.

The only other space company that seems to be developing launch capability this flexible is ABL Space Systems, who also have close ties to the US military and defense contractors. They seem to be behind Astra in terms of R&D since they have yet to conduct any launches. Furthermore, their rocket is much more expensive ($12MM per launch vs Astra's $2.5MM per launch) and as a result they will probably have difficulty finding commercial customers compared to Astra. Perhaps they will carve out a niche launching military payloads which are too large for Astra’s smaller rockets. Is ABL Space Systems a threat to Astra? I don't think so.

As it turns out, the capabilities being developed by Astra and ABL Space Systems are a key part of the US military's strategy to fighting a war in space. Satellites are a critical part of the US military's intelligence gathering and communication systems. If a war involving space were to break out, the US military needs an extremely rapid and flexible way to launch replacement satellites into orbit as their existing satellites and launch sites are destroyed by the enemy. Astra and ABL Space Systems appear to have designed their products to specifically cater to this need. Astra's rockets are cheap, are designed to be mass produced in large quantities, are relatively small and highly mobile, and can be rapidly deployed to and launched from anywhere in the world. They are a perfect space launch system for wartime scenarios. In fact, Astra was the sole participant in the DARPA Launch Challenge to provide exactly this functionality for the US military.

Rocket Lab, in comparison, lacks this "shipping container" flexibility, is restricted to launching from just three launch pads (two of which are in New Zealand), and refuses to launch "weapons or payloads that contribute to weapons programs or nuclear capabilities".

In conclusion, what this means is that Astra is very important to the US military, and it is likely that they will not let Astra fail. Aside from ABL Space Systems, no other competitor has this unique advantage.
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I wanted to point out one key advantage that Astra has over its competitors which just dawned on me today. Astra's launch system is designed to be rapidly deployable to bare concrete pads anywhere in the world using standard shipping containers, is highly automated, and can be operated by minimal personnel. As I mentioned earlier, Astra is very close to the US government. Chris Kemp worked with the White House to develop the cloud computing strategy for the U.S. federal government and Michèle Flournoy was a high-ranking member of the Department of Defense--the principal advisor to the Secretary of Defense in the formulation of national security and defense policy.

The only other space company that seems to be developing launch capability this flexible is ABL Space Systems, who also have close ties to the US military and defense contractors. They seem to be behind Astra since they have yet to conduct any launches. Furthermore, their rocket is much more expensive ($12MM per launch vs Astra's $2.5MM per launch) and as a result they will probably have difficulty finding commercial customers compared to Astra. Perhaps they will carve out a niche launching military payloads which are too large for Astra’s smaller rockets.

As it turns out, the capabilities being developed by Astra and ABL Space Systems are a key part of the US military's strategy to fighting a war in space. Satellites are a critical part of the US military's intelligence gathering and communication systems. If a war involving space were to break out, the US military needs an extremely rapid and flexible way to launch replacement satellites into orbit as their existing satellites and launch sites are destroyed by the enemy. Astra and ABL Space Systems appear to have designed their products to specifically cater to this need. Astra's rockets are cheap, are designed to be mass produced in large quantities, are relatively small and highly mobile, and can be rapidly deployed to and launched from anywhere in the world. They are a perfect space launch system for wartime scenarios.

Rocket Lab, in comparison, lacks this "shipping container" flexibility, is restricted to launching from just three launch pads (two of which are in New Zealand), and refuses to launch "weapons or payloads that contribute to weapons programs or nuclear capabilities".

In conclusion, what this means is that Astra is very important to the US military, and it is likely that they will not let Astra fail. Aside from ABL Space Systems, no other competitor has this unique advantage.

Extremely eye-opening!

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Seems like the Astra model might lend itself to being a satellite-kill vehicle launcher at least as well as a replacement satellite launcher.  But that sort of thing is probably best not put in a marketing pamphlet. 

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Extremely eye-opening!

Also, did I mention that Astra has a long history with DARPA starting all the way back in 2005, and has built their facility on a repurposed US Navy air station? Heck, their logo even looks like the logo for the US Space Force!

Yeah, they have very close ties to the military. Also, take a look at the wiki page for ABL Space Systems. A huge amount of their funding comes from the military, who has extensively partnered with them during R&D.

I would also like to point out another reason why you shouldn't think of ABL Space Systems as a threat to Astra. The US government has a philosophy of having at least two providers for critical services for redundancy reasons. This is why they are so obsessed with funding projects like Boeing Starliner, so that they can have redundancy with SpaceX Crew Dragon. So therefore, the combination of Astra and ABL Space Systems provides redundancy to the US government, and it is likely that they will always make sure that there are at least two companies with this capability.

In any case, the military angle gives Astra a very important customer who is almost guaranteed to support them and is unlikely to let them fail. But this should not detract from Astra's significant commercial opportunities. I expect that the vast majority of Astra's flights will be for commercial customers, who will also benefit from Astra's mission of building a "platform" in space (similar to Rocket Lab).

If you listen to Chris Kemp talk about Astra, his true intention is to create a "platform" for space systems similar to Amazon's AWS. He wants to build and launch generic satellites which can be sold to any customer who wants to operate their own constellation of satellites, such that these customers will no longer need to design and build their own satellites. Most likely, the US military will be one of these customers. They would love to own and operate a constellation of satellites which can be rapidly replenished during a war using Astra's unique capabilities. But I am sure that there will be even more commercial customers, for both Astra and Rocket Lab who is also building a similar platform.

If you have some time, listen to this interview with Chris Kemp where he lays out his long term vision for Astra:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nB2JBjnWjbA

He has a strong software background and wants to run Astra like a software company, not like a traditional aerospace company. He seems to take a lot of inspiration from large technology companies like Amazon, in that he wants to build a platform in space to enable other companies to build things in space without having to build their own hardware. Finally, he wants Astra to be a "customer-obsessed, product led company", which is directly out of Amazon's playbook.

Some choice Chris Kemp quotes from that interview:

Quote from: Chris Kemp
"I really started to think about how to build the company like a software company where we take smaller, more iterative steps. By keeping the rockets small, we can basically test engines and entire rockets at relatively low cost, and so we've brought a lot of the principles that I've used building technology companies and software companies into the space industry. I'm taking that mentality that you would typically see more in a consumer electronics or software company and really bringing in a lot of people from that industry into the space industry to just frankly go faster."

"Throughout my career, one of the threads is platforms. I like to build platforms. Escapia was a platform for reservations for vacation homes. At NASA I built OpenStack which was a platform that allows data centers to be treated as logical services, it's like to a data center like Linux was to a personal computer.

At Astra, we're building a platform. We're allowing space to be a place where people can imagine things and build services that improve live on Earth. Our vision is a healthier, more connected planet--and we're not going to accomplish that all on our own, that's a hard problem to solve--but if there are hundreds, then thousands of companies that can be powered and lifted up by this platform then we're in a position to really make a bigger impact."

"My experience with Nebula allowed me to really see the space industry through a similar light. We were building an appliance for Dell, HP, Cisco, and IBM to go and build a cloud. Well nobody wanted to build clouds--we wanted to consume them as a service from Amazon or Google or Microsoft. And so, this massive shift has caused basically all computer companies to be flat, like if you look at the stocks of Dell, Cisco, HP, IBM, VMware, these are all companies that have not created a lot of value in the last five years.

If you look at a company like Amazon, and Amazon Web Services, this is probably the fastest growing business unit in corporate history--and it's because it's a completely vertically integrated platform. When we were selling Nebula to Oracle, I realized that I needed to do something else because Amazon was hiring chip designers and Google was hiring people to build better switches, better servers, better CPUs, than anything Dell, HP, Cisco would ever build--and they were operating them at a scale that no enterprise would be able to afford to build out.

And so the game had changed. And I think the game's changing in space too. I think that the idea that a company can start up and build a satellite from scratch is kind of like Steve Wozniak soldering chips onto a board in 1970, it's like the homebrew satellite club. We don't need to solve these problems again and again.

What the space industry needs is the equivalent of an Apple to come in and build a platform, and then it's really about the apps that you're building, and it's about being able to take a plug and play approach to peripherals. So if you want to put a camera in space, great. Plug it in, we got a USB port. It's about making the optimization around a platform verses around a rocket or a satellite form factor. And so a lot of things that I think people in this industry don't see, I can see clearly because it's just a different lens on the same problem."

"What we're trying to be is a customer obsessed, product led company. That doesn't exist in the aerospace industry. If you think about, how does aerospace do product management? Well, NASA says they want a space shuttle and the lowest bidder gets the contract. But NASA's doing the product management--and frankly whoever wins that contract has 50 years to deliver on it, typically billions of dollars over budget and a decade behind schedule. That's not good. I mean, what if Amazon or Google or Apple managed products like that?

So I think what we've got to do is we've got to bring in a new way of operating, and it's not familiar to the engineers that we've hired from other aerospace companies, and it's bringing together the best ways of thinking about product design into aerospace.

So we're putting product leaders at the heart of the company, so there's a Chief Product Officer and there's product managers of the things we're creating. They're not just concerned with the best highest performance engineering solution, they're concerned with the value that we're creating for our mission which is to improve life on Earth from space and what that does for the customers that are helping us accomplish that mission."

In my opinion, this guy really gets it! He reminds me of a combination of Steve Jobs and Jeff Bezos, with perhaps a light sprinkling of Elon Musk.
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Regarding my post about Astra's history with the US military, Astra was the sole participant in the DARPA Launch Challenge to provide "agile and responsive orbital launches" for the US military (which they failed, by the way). So, this is not conjecture that the US military sees value in Astra--in fact, the requirements were specifically laid out in the DARPA Launch Challenge.

I wanted to take some time to list out what I see as some of the main threats to Astra's business plan:

1. They need to reach orbit
In just about 10 days, we'll know more about this! I hope they make it to orbit. If the upcoming launch fails, they must have a clear plan to fix the issue.

2. They need to scale up their payload capacity by a factor of six
Currently, Astra's rocket can only lift 50kg to orbit. This number is typically glossed over or omitted from Astra's press materials. In 2022, Astra plans to begin work on a rocket that can lift 100kg. In 2023, they hope to have a rocket that can lift 300kg. See this article for the above plan. In comparison, Rocket Lab's Electron can already lift 300kg to orbit today, and ABL Space System's upcoming larger and more expensive rocket can lift 1,350kg. In order for Astra to meet the needs of megaconstellations like Amazon Kuiper, Astra must achieve this 300kg figure. Investors should pay close attention to Astra's progress of increasing their payload capacity.

3. Competition from large, cheap rockets like Starship
A big part of Astra's business model hinges on being able to deliver individual payloads to precise orbits on demand. Smallsat rideshare on Falcon 9 and Starship is cheaper than launching with Astra will ever be, even more so with Starship. But rideshare currently suffers from two issues: scheduling delays and lack of delivery to precise orbits. However, these issues could potentially be solved by launching many Starships at a very rapid cadence (which is the plan), and attaching space tugs to the ridesharing smallsats to deliver them to their precise orbits once the Starship drops them off.

Companies like Momentus plan to offer this space tug service, and in theory Rocket Lab could even put a bunch of Photons inside of a Starship and use them to deliver a bunch of smallsats to different orbits. Some drawbacks for that approach include space tugs being very slow and not appropriate for time-sensitive orbital insertions, and the added cost of the space tug itself which could be fairly expensive.

Time will tell how Astra's business model fares versus Starship + rideshare + space tugs. At least with Rocket Lab, they seem to be nervous about the long term viability of the small rocket business model and are pivoting to a larger, more reusable rocket.

4. Competition from other small rockets

Astra has to worry about competition from Rocket Lab's Electron, Virgin Orbit's LauncherOne, ABL Space Systems' RS1, Firefly Aerospace's Firefly Alpha, and Relativity Space's Terran 1. Out of these, I think Rocket Lab and ABL Space Systems are the biggest threats.

See this table for a quick comparison:
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                  Payload to LEO  Cost per launch  Launch site flexibility?  Commercial launches?
Astra             50kg            $2.5MM           Y                         N
Rocket Lab        300kg           $5-6MM           N                         Y
Virgin Orbit      500kg           $12MM            Y                         Y
ABL Space Systems 1,350kg         $12MM            Y                         N
Relativity Space  1,250kg         $12MM            N                         N
Firefly Aerospace 1,000kg         $15MM            N                         N

Rocket Lab has more experience and success than any of the other companies, and I expect the cost of the Electron to fall significantly over time as they continue to innovate. They are also the clear leader in satellites, spacecraft, and space systems, and have a large lead over Astra in their efforts to build a "platform" in space. Astra says they will build spacecraft, Rocket Lab is building and selling Photons. Astra says they will provide space services outside of launch to other space companies, Rocket Lab is actually doing it. But Astra's $134MM acquisition of Apollo Fusion shows that they are dead serious about competing with Rocket Lab on this front.

ABL Space Systems could be a threat depending on how rapidly they can innovate and whether they can bring down the cost of their rocket. Personally, I think ABL's offering is hands down better than Firefly and Relativity, given that they have larger payload capacity, lower cost, and the same capability as Astra to rapidly launch from anywhere. Notably, they seem focused only on launches for now and don't seem to have any plans of building a space platform like Astra and Rocket Lab. This is a company to watch!

Virgin Orbit's rocket is too expensive and they seem to be locked in to the unique constraints of their jumbo jet launched rocket design. Also, they innovate very slowly and have gotten a very poor return on their huge R&D investment. The only thing going for them is their ability to launch from anywhere.

Firefly Aerospace has yet to launch anything and they have already gone bankrupt once. Their rocket has 1,000kg payload capacity but also costs $15MM per launch. They also lack the ability to launch from anywhere, so not a threat IMO.

Relativity Space's rocket seems similar to Firefly Aerospace and also lacks the ability to launch from anywhere. Their 3D printing process will always be extremely slow compared to what the other companies are doing, and only makes sense for larger, extremely reusable rockets like their Terran R. 3D printing does not make sense for a small, non-reusable rocket. Honestly, I think the Terran 1 is just an R&D testbed for the Terran R, and not meant to be a serious product, like the Falcon 1 was to the Falcon 9.
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@Herbert Derp

You "forgot" to mention Northrup Grumman Pegasus XL (formerly Orbital ATK etc).

Q1) What advantage does Virgin Orbit have, or think it has, over Northrup Grumman Pegasus XL?  Both are airdrop smaller launchers.

Q2) Why is Rocket Lab so eager to get into Falcon 9 territory with Neutron?   I'd be terrified to get into a business line shared with something that could drop prices by a factor of two if necessary.



See this table for a quick comparison:
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                  Payload to LEO  Cost per launch  Launch site flexibility?  Commercial launches?  Prototype launches?
Astra             50kg            $2.5MM           Y                         N                     Y
Rocket Lab        300kg           $5-6MM           N                         Y                     Y
Virgin Orbit      500kg           $12MM            Y                         Y                     Y
ABL Space Systems 1,350kg         $12MM            Y                         N                     N
Relativity Space  1,250kg         $12MM            N                         N                     N
Firefly Aerospace 1,000kg         $15MM            N                         N                     N

NG Pegasus          453kg           $???            Y                        Y                     N
SpaceX Falcon9    4,500kg         $60MM             N                        Y                     N  (Return to Launch Site - RTLS)
SpaceX Falcon9    15,000kg        $60MM             N                        Y                     N  (ASDS landing - barge in the ocean)
Atlas V  401         8,900kg     $80MM est          N                        Y                     N


Thanks for bringing all this to our (my) attention.


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You "forgot" to mention Northrup Grumman Pegasus XL (formerly Orbital ATK etc).

Q1) What advantage does Virgin Orbit have, or think it has, over Northrup Grumman Pegasus XL?  Both are airdrop smaller launchers.

Wikipedia puts the cost of the Pegasus XL at $40MM per launch. Hardly competitive with Virgin Orbit:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_Grumman_Pegasus

It was first flown 30 years ago, and doesn’t seem to have changed much since then. This is typical of Old Space companies like Northrop Grumman who prefer to milk money out of the government rather than to innovate. Old Space companies stand zero chance in the New Space economy.

Q2) Why is Rocket Lab so eager to get into Falcon 9 territory with Neutron?   I'd be terrified to get into a business line shared with something that could drop prices by a factor of two if necessary.

One big reason is so that competitors to Starlink like Amazon Kuiper have a cost effective way to launch their satellites without paying SpaceX, their competitor. Also governments and companies don’t like to rely on a single launch provider due to redundancy and scheduling issues.
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Fwiw, just noticed this "NewSpace Summit" conference Zoom from April 14, including discussion by Peter Beck, Astra CEO Chris Kemp and Relativity Space CFO Muhammad Shahzad about the three companies' relative merits:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1LQWJJOpOg

Was alerted to the link by Reddit discussion, which opens with a summary - roughly, Beck is confident but rude; finance guys think better of Astra and Relativity than technical guys. Didn't follow the whole discussion yet, just sharing.

https://www.reddit.com/r/RocketLab/comments/pa9z5n/interesting_discussion_rocketlabastrarelativity/?%24deep_link=true&correlation_id=542af190-7db0-45fd-84b5-e851080146ea&post_fullname=t3_pa9z5n&post_index=3&ref=email_digest&ref_campaign=email_digest&ref_source=email&utm_content=post_title&%243p=e_as&_branch_match_id=953075524262996400&utm_medium=Email%20Amazon%20SES
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Ah yes, I remember that video! Peter Beck was definitely a bit rude, shaking his head when Chris Kemp made various claims about Astra’s future progress. But space is hard!

In other news, Astra is making progress on their new electric propulsion thrusters, the first test in space was successful:
https://astra.com/news/apollo-fusion-thruster-spaceflight/

This will be important for Astra as they build a platform for satellite constellations. Satellite constellations need this kind of electric propulsion to organize themselves and avoid collisions. SpaceX has very similar ion thrusters on their Starlink satellites. I am not sure if it is a future competitor to Rocket Lab’s Curie thrusters which are suitable for interplanetary spaceflight. Astra’s thruster is far weaker than Rocket Lab's. Rocket Lab's Curie has 120 N of thrust while Apollo Fusion's ACE Max has a mere 60 mN of thrust, which is 2,000 times weaker!
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Well, Rocket Lab went public yesterday! If the stock drops significantly, it could be a good buying opportunity.

Some brief Peter Beck interviews on CNBC and Bloomberg:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40ujz9ZQgGw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRo5xrBFV58

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Firefly's first orbital launch attempt is scheduled for NET 9/2/2021. Already had a static fire on the pad.

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Astra's rocket launch today was a failure:
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/technology/astra-rocket-fails-to-reach-space-during-test-launch-for-us-military/ar-AANRaaa

Video, for anyone who is interested:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfjO7VCyjPM

At launch, the rocket tipped over and slid sideways, hovering as it managed to right itself. As the rocket burned fuel and became lighter, it was able to rise into the air and managed to reach max q before the mission control shut it down since it was veering off course. Definitely a strange launch, I've never seen a rocket launch sideways! The explanation was that one of the five engines failed immediately after ignition, causing a loss of thrust and hence why the rocket was so slow to go up into the sky. I'm just amazed that the guidance system was able to keep the rocket steady despite initially tipping over and losing an engine.

Right when the engines ignited, some part of the launch system can be seen snapping up and violently colliding with the rocket. This seems to have caused external damage to the rocket, as a piece of metal protruding from the side of the rocket can clearly be seen from the on-board camera during ascent. This piece of metal eventually tore completely off of the side of the rocket after the engines were shut down and it started to tumble. Perhaps that damage also caused the engine to fail, but the cause of the failure is still unannounced. It would be nice if the problem was due to the launch system and not the rocket itself!

In any case, I expect Astra's stock to tank on Monday. It could be a good buying opportunity, especially if they explain more about why the engine failed and how they plan to address this in the future. Astra is supposed to be able to rapidly test their engines on-site at their factory, so if there is a flaw in the engine design it ought to be fixed quickly.
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A sad day for ASTRA investors, for sure. But not a killer.

Like you, I'm interested to learn what the root cause was here. I suspect it will take a little time for them to figure that out. But to your point, my hope is they can get it discovered and resolved quickly and dive right back into launches!

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I'm likewise impressed their rocket could list sideways off the launch pad like that but manage to remain upright, pass Max-Q, and make it a good part of the way to orbit with a chunk of debris sticking out of the side.

My prediction is the stock dips but doesn't crash. This was a mass simulator launch, not something with a valuable payload from a customer who will be upset about the failure.

Huge amount of respect for both announcers on the video. You can hear everything they are not saying from the initial sideways launch until the terminate signal comes but they still manage to keep their voices so level and calm.

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Here is an informative video from Scott Manley about the Astra launch failure:
https://youtu.be/x2jU5W4ehPE

I hope they fix the engine problem soon. Rockets need to go up, not sideways! The silver lining here is that this launch failure got Astra a lot of attention, it even made the front page of Reddit. If Astra can get their act together, this could be a mini Cybertruck broken glass moment for them, where the attention from the failure boosts their popularity in the long term.
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Without fins attitude control needs to be done via engine vectoring so I assume engine out control had been designed for and simulated.  While engine out at lift off may not have been a primary goal it would probably come as a natural extension of a higher/faster EO condition where the engineers decided to extrapolate down because "might as well handle that case too".  They got lucky it translated away from the tower and they could still get flight data.

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Re: Rocket Lab (RKLB) - Finally a decent space company that we can invest in?
« Reply #85 on: September 01, 2021, 11:21:43 PM »
Does some smart person want to explain what MNTSW is to me?

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Re: Rocket Lab (RKLB) - Finally a decent space company that we can invest in?
« Reply #86 on: September 02, 2021, 12:23:48 AM »
Those are warrants for Momentus stock. You're probably better off just investing in normal MNTS shares unless you are an expert.

In other news, here is a fantastic article about how Rocket Lab is building out their space systems business. I'm super excited to see what comes out of this!
https://techcrunch.com/2021/09/01/rocket-lab-boosts-its-space-systems-divison-in-quest-to-become-an-end-to-end-space-company/


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Re: Rocket Lab (RKLB) - Finally a decent space company that we can invest in?
« Reply #87 on: September 02, 2021, 11:05:18 AM »
Check out this tweet. Rocket Lab is exploring orbital refueling of Photon spacecraft! Cool!

https://mobile.twitter.com/hugo_blair/status/1433320987592835073?s=20

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Re: Rocket Lab (RKLB) - Finally a decent space company that we can invest in?
« Reply #88 on: September 04, 2021, 03:56:43 PM »
Rocket Lab stock went up 33% over the course of three days last week! I think people are digesting the recent news, and it is very favorable for Rocket Lab. Let’s dive in!

To put things in perspective, this last week was not a good week for other small rocket companies. On August 28th, Astra’s fifth launch was a failure. This makes them 0 for 5 for launches. On September 2nd, Firefly’s first launch also ended in failure. Also on September 2nd, the FAA grounded Virgin Galactic due to airspace violations. In other words, a lot of investors new to the sector are starting to realize how hard space is.

In comparison, Rocket Lab just went public under the ticket RKLB on August 25th. They are fresh off their recent successful launch on July 29th, and have many more launches planned for the tail end of 2021, including three launches which are planned for September, assuming that New Zealand lifts their Covid lockdown. Rocket Lab had originally planned for one launch in late August and two in September, but it looks like all three of them have been pushed to September or later due to the lockdown. All in all, Rocket Lab plans to launch up to seven missions over the new four months—and compared to what we’ve seen with Astra and Firefly, these missions are very likely to succeed. This puts Rocket Lab in an extremely favorable position. They just went public amid very visible failures from their competitors. Rocket Lab now has a perfect opportunity to distinguish themselves from the competition in the eyes of the public, by launching multiple missions in rapid succession while the competition is forced to sit back and lick their wounds. This is their prime opportunity to capture investor momentum in a red-hot industry!

Rocket Lab’s space systems business is starting to gather more and more attention. They have already managed to scale their production of satellite reaction wheels to 2,000 units per year, which is estimated to provide $90MM of annual revenue. To put this into perspective, Astra has $2.5MM in revenue per launch. They would have to launch 36 rockets per year just to match the revenue that Rocket Lab makes from selling reaction wheels! Clearly, Astra is nowhere close to launching 36 rockets per year, and who knows how much Rocket Lab’s business will have grown by the time that they do get there. Furthermore, Rocket Lab also manufactures star trackers and solar panels, among other things. I can’t wait to hear more about their satellite components business!

In conclusion, Rocket Lab is set to distinguish themselves over the next four months, as the competition literally goes sideways. While the competition is busy fixing their broken rockets, Rocket Lab will be launching multiple missions in rapid succession, including a mission to the Moon and another booster recovery mission that takes them one step closer to being the only company besides SpaceX to reuse an orbital booster. Even as Rocket Lab launches these exciting missions, they will continue to ramp up their space systems and satellite components business, and develop their Photon spacecraft and Neutron launch vehicle. Rocket Lab is flush with $750MM in cash which they plan to invest heavily into R&D as well as to use to acquire other space companies to add to their portfolio of products and capabilities. I think it is safe to say that Rocket Lab has a significant lead on almost every other space company, and people are finally about to realize this! I wouldn't be surprised if the share price of RKLB hits $20 in the next six months, which it seems that the company has planned for!
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Re: Rocket Lab (RKLB) - Finally a decent space company that we can invest in?
« Reply #89 on: September 05, 2021, 05:24:03 AM »
Well my 6 whole shares did quite well. Alas, this was just some spare cash leftover in an old brokerage account so I didn't buy anymore than that.

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Re: Rocket Lab (RKLB) - Finally a decent space company that we can invest in?
« Reply #90 on: September 05, 2021, 03:00:23 PM »
A few interesting tidbits for today. New Zealand's lockdown seems to be working, and Covid cases are down. Hopefully they will be able to eliminate the virus again and lift the lockdown, so that Rocket Lab can resume launch operations.

Expect to hear more about the Neutron soon. Apparently the images of Neutron that were released were completely fake and intended to mislead copycats, and the actual Neutron will "look like a rocket designed in 2050". Furthermore, there are rumors going around that the Neutron might be fully reusable like the Starship, not just partially reusable like the Falcon 9. Obviously, take these rumors with a grain of salt, but they are exciting nevertheless. Hopefully we will be getting more information in the coming weeks, since Peter Beck has said that Rocket Lab will soon release a significant reveal of the Neutron!

Finally, here is an interesting bearish analysis of some of Astra's claims. Basically, Astra claims to have achieved orbital launch capability in just four years--much faster than any other company. These claims are misleading, as Astra has been doing R&D since 2005. By that measure, Astra has actually taken a whopping 17 years to achieve orbital launch capability. In Astra's infographic from their investor presentation, they don't hesitate to include Rocket Lab's lengthy R&D efforts leading up to the development of the Electron, but they completely omit their own even lengthier R&D efforts!

Astra also makes misleading statements about the payload capacity of their rockets, saying stuff like "we send payloads of up to 500kg to up to 500km mid-inclination orbits, with more destinations coming soon", when in fact, their rocket is only capable of lifting a mere 50kg to LEO.

Yes, Astra does plan to scale up the payload capacity of their rockets with the introduction of the Rocket 4 design, planned for 2022. Plus, as the bearish analysis notes, if you measure the time that Astra took to develop their orbital rocket without accounting for prior R&D, Astra comes out looking a lot better--but not as good as Rocket Lab, who took less time to develop the Electron (4.25 years) than Astra spent developing the Rocket series (5 years). I appreciate what Astra is doing from a business and technology standpoint, but I do not appreciate these misleading claims. This definitely knocks the company down a few notches in my eyes.
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Re: Rocket Lab (RKLB) - Finally a decent space company that we can invest in?
« Reply #91 on: September 05, 2021, 03:51:31 PM »
Finally, here is an interesting bearish analysis of some of Astra's claims. Basically, Astra claims to have achieved orbital launch capability in just four years--much faster than any other company. These claims are misleading, as Astra has been doing R&D since 2005. By that measure, Astra has actually taken a whopping 17 years to achieve orbital launch capability. In Astra's infographic from their investor presentation, they don't hesitate to include Rocket Lab's lengthy R&D efforts leading up to the development of the Electron, but they completely omit their own even lengthier R&D efforts!

Isn't the more misleading bit that Astra talks about achieving orbital launch capacity but still hasn't put a rocket into orbit?

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I appreciate what Astra is doing from a business and technology standpoint, but I do not appreciate these misleading claims. This definitely knocks the company down a few notches in my eyes.

This sort of hype and bending the truth seems to be endemic to startup culture. I don't like it either, but the fact that it is SO endemic makes me think that the strategy of bending the truth and presenting everything in the rosiest possible interpretation is just assumed, so if a company comes in completely honest and blunt about their progress and prospects, all their potential funders will assume "if this positive spin is this bad the reality must be terrible."

Of course that's the same culture which gave us Theranos.

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Re: Rocket Lab (RKLB) - Finally a decent space company that we can invest in?
« Reply #92 on: September 05, 2021, 08:08:48 PM »
Rocket Lab stock went up 33% over the course of three days last week! I think people are digesting the recent news, and it is very favorable for Rocket Lab. Let’s dive in!

To put things in perspective, this last week was not a good week for other small rocket companies. On August 28th, Astra’s fifth launch was a failure. This makes them 0 for 5 for launches. On September 2nd, Firefly’s first launch also ended in failure. Also on September 2nd, the FAA grounded Virgin Galactic due to airspace violations. In other words, a lot of investors new to the sector are starting to realize how hard space is.

In comparison, Rocket Lab just went public under the ticket RKLB on August 25th. They are fresh off their recent successful launch on July 29th, and have many more launches planned for the tail end of 2021, including three launches which are planned for September, assuming that New Zealand lifts their Covid lockdown. Rocket Lab had originally planned for one launch in late August and two in September, but it looks like all three of them have been pushed to September or later due to the lockdown. All in all, Rocket Lab plans to launch up to seven missions over the new four months—and compared to what we’ve seen with Astra and Firefly, these missions are very likely to succeed. This puts Rocket Lab in an extremely favorable position. They just went public amid very visible failures from their competitors. Rocket Lab now has a perfect opportunity to distinguish themselves from the competition in the eyes of the public, by launching multiple missions in rapid succession while the competition is forced to sit back and lick their wounds. This is their prime opportunity to capture investor momentum in a red-hot industry!

Rocket Lab’s space systems business is starting to gather more and more attention. They have already managed to scale their production of satellite reaction wheels to 2,000 units per year, which is estimated to provide $90MM of annual revenue. To put this into perspective, Astra has $2.5MM in revenue per launch. They would have to launch 36 rockets per year just to match the revenue that Rocket Lab makes from selling reaction wheels! Clearly, Astra is nowhere close to launching 36 rockets per year, and who knows how much Rocket Lab’s business will have grown by the time that they do get there. Furthermore, Rocket Lab also manufactures star trackers and solar panels, among other things. I can’t wait to hear more about their satellite components business!

In conclusion, Rocket Lab is set to distinguish themselves over the next four months, as the competition literally goes sideways. While the competition is busy fixing their broken rockets, Rocket Lab will be launching multiple missions in rapid succession, including a mission to the Moon and another booster recovery mission that takes them one step closer to being the only company besides SpaceX to reuse an orbital booster. Even as Rocket Lab launches these exciting missions, they will continue to ramp up their space systems and satellite components business, and develop their Photon spacecraft and Neutron launch vehicle. Rocket Lab is flush with $750MM in cash which they plan to invest heavily into R&D as well as to use to acquire other space companies to add to their portfolio of products and capabilities. I think it is safe to say that Rocket Lab has a significant lead on almost every other space company, and people are finally about to realize this! I wouldn't be surprised if the share price of RKLB hits $20 in the next six months, which it seems that the company has planned for!


It was exciting to watch the price gain so much last week.  Wish I'da bought a few shares beforehand... 

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Re: Rocket Lab (RKLB) - Finally a decent space company that we can invest in?
« Reply #93 on: September 06, 2021, 12:26:33 AM »
This just in, New Zealand has started to lift their lockdown! Hoping to see some Rocket Lab launches soon!

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Re: Rocket Lab (RKLB) - Finally a decent space company that we can invest in?
« Reply #94 on: September 07, 2021, 01:45:26 PM »
New news! Rocket Lab announced on Friday evening (9/3) that for its first time as a public company, it will report earnings on Wednesday, September 8. That's tomorrow!

Since whatever positive news Rocket Lab has to announce tomorrow will be mostly related to future plans rather than current operations (they are almost certainly still losing money), I think there is a good chance that investors will sell the news. What we are seeing right now might be a classic buy the hype, sell the news kind of event, leading up to the earnings call. I think the most likely scenario tomorrow is that Rocket Lab will announce that they are still losing money, and drop some juicy tidbits about their future plans for Electron reuse, Neutron, and their space systems business. As a result, the share price will drop significantly, since it has ran up so high over the last few days and the company is still losing money. Buy the hype, sell the news. Of course anything is possible, but this scenario seems the most likely for now.

To give an example of a similar scenario, Tesla had a massively hyped event last September where they announced future plans to improve their battery technology. The stock increased significantly leading up to this event, rising from $330 on 9/8/2020 to $449 on 9/21/2020 (+36%). After Tesla made their announcement on the evening of 9/22/2020, the stock sold off to $380 on 9/23/2020 (-15%). This was despite the news from the event being very positive. Short term investors bought the hype and sold the news, creating a great buying opportunity for long term investors.

So if you're late to the party and looking for an entry point, buying a potential dip after tomorrow's earnings call might be your best bet. Rocket Lab has rocket launches booked solid for the rest of 2021, and assuming these missions succeed, the share price will probably go up.
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Re: Rocket Lab (RKLB) - Finally a decent space company that we can invest in?
« Reply #95 on: September 07, 2021, 08:31:49 PM »
Here is a great analysis from Hugo Blair on Twitter of what we can look forward to hearing about in tomorrow's earnings call. I'm quoting it here because Twitter can suck for navigating multipart posts:

Quote from: Hugo Blair
What can we expect from Rocket Lab’s Second Quarter 2021 Financial Results Conference?: A Thread. I discuss possible Neutron Updates, Expansions of Rocket Lab component offerings, and Revisions of both long term and short term revenue and earnings estimates.

Why do I think that there could be significant announcements? There are three conferences lined up back-to-back. RL revealed Neutron when they announced that they were going public. It only makes sense to unveil the full vehicle at their first earnings report as a public company.

Please note: Everything here is speculation and guesses. There could be absolutely nothing that comes out of these earnings conferences. Here are key announcements that could be revealed in the coming days, as well as some more key info:
  • New Neutron Renders. Ever since RL unveiled Neutron 6 months ago, Enthusiasts have been clamoring for more info about the vehicle. Recently Peter mentioned that the original neutron renders were “a ruse”. He also said that the vehicle “should look like it was designed in 2050.”

  • Whether Neutron Is Fully Reusable. In the latest CNBC and Bloomberg interviews, Beck said that Neutron was "fully re-usable". It is unknown whether he meant "fully re-usable first stage" or fully re-usable first and second stages.

  • Is Neutron made out of a Carbon composite? RL's competitors (Relativity and SpaceX) have both been working on vehicles that are made out of stainless steel. The original Neutron renders showed RL following this trend. Speculation about the newest renders indicate a carbon body.

  • Expansions of the RL component line-up. Richard French has detailed that RL will be expanding the range of satellite components, it is simply a matter of when. RL recently announced a new reaction wheel production line. Learn more in the linked tweet.

  • Revisions of long term financial estimates. It has become a trend in de-SPACed companies for their previous revenue estimates to drastically change from their prior guidance. I do not believe this will be the case for RL, but it is one to watch out for.

    Peter has mentioned that the prior financial estimates do not include space applications or space data sales. I personally believe that this will be a significant driver of growth. We may see an announcement relating to this, and see these numbers included in the estimates.

  • Possible decrease in near term financial results. Rocket Lab has faced delays in certifying AFTS for US launch sites. This has caused delays in launches from LC-2 Wallops. This will decrease their revenues.

    RL recently faced the loss of the "Running Out Of Toes" Mission. This issue has been since resolved, but this would have caused a loss of revenue. This revenue will not be recorded for this quarter's earnings announcement (Q2), but will be reflected in the guidance for Q3.

    New Zealand is currently in a nationwide lockdown. This has prevented both launches, and from RL working in their NZ facilities. As RL has facilities worldwide, this is not as bad as it could have been, but it will still be reflected in the Q3 guidance.

    With NZ opening back up from lockdown, launches are expected to resume soon, and thus I do not foresee Q4 estimates as being significantly decreased. Auckland is currently still in lockdown, but the rest of the country has opened back up, with Auckland soon to follow.

  • Acquisitions. Beck has previously stated that RL is looking for acquisitions targets. Potential target areas include space applications and in-space servicing.

  • Unlikely Announcements: A RL Constellation. Peter has discussed the possibility of this before, and this is likely to happen at some point given Neutron being a "constellation builder", but I do not foresee this being announced so soon. This would involve a new Photon variant.

    In-orbit refueling updates. RL has been working on this, but it is in the far off future, and I doubt it will be given any updates. I discuss refueling in this tweet.

Let me know if what you guys think will happen! Are the earnings for the next couple of quarters going to be lower than expected? Will the long term estimates be changed? Will Neutron be announced?
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Re: Rocket Lab (RKLB) - Finally a decent space company that we can invest in?
« Reply #96 on: September 08, 2021, 06:08:40 PM »
Sad I couldn't listen to the call live, but I do like those results!

https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/0001819994/000119312521267875/d203150dex991.htm

Some highlights:
  • Revenue of $29.5M, representing 237% Year-on-Year revenue growth, accompanied by an expansion in gross margins from negative 67% to a positive 13%.
  • Increasing diversity in revenue, with Space Systems contributing 18% of total revenue in the period, compared to 3% in the prior year, accompanied with gross margins of 65%.
  • Backlog grew 136% Year-on-Year to $141.4 million as of June 30, 2021 as compared to backlog of $59.9 million as of June 30, 2020.

Here is the investor presentation for 1H 2021: https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/0001819994/000119312521267875/d203150dex992.htm
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Re: Rocket Lab (RKLB) - Finally a decent space company that we can invest in?
« Reply #97 on: September 08, 2021, 09:52:55 PM »
OK, tell me a price and I'll put in a limit order. Or, say "market order".

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Re: Rocket Lab (RKLB) - Finally a decent space company that we can invest in?
« Reply #98 on: September 09, 2021, 05:44:04 PM »
Well, I was totally wrong about Rocket Lab investors selling the news on the earnings report. The stock just keeps rocketing up!

As for a good entry price, you should have gotten in below $13 in my opinion, ideally at $10. The stock was hanging out in the low tens for months. Who knows what exactly the stock will do going forward, but keep in mind that there shouldn't be any major developments about Rocket Lab in the near term future. Their next launch seems likely to slip into October because of Covid delays, and Peter Beck said they won't be revealing details about the Neutron until a few months from now. Also, the next Electron flight with a recovery attempt wasn't scheduled until November, and that's probably pushed back too. All of these developments will take some time until they come along and boost excitement about the company and the share price. For now, I think our best bet is to sit back and wait for the share price to shake itself out, and look for a buying opportunity. As I said, there is quite some time before the next major development.

One catalyst that could spur a buying opportunity is if one of Rocket Lab's competitors like Astra has a major development. I think a lot of investors are moving money around between these companies and trying to pick the winning horse in this race.
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Re: Rocket Lab (RKLB) - Finally a decent space company that we can invest in?
« Reply #99 on: September 09, 2021, 05:51:40 PM »
Yea, I got into RKLB at 10.52 and ASTR at 9.33. But it's just play money, 10 shares each.