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Option question - Why loads of Out of the Money options?
« on: November 06, 2020, 10:56:02 PM »
Why would one trade (especially buy) very far out of the money options?

Example, January 2021, there are 6,300  puts at 10 on AIG (current price 33).  See attached pic.

I can see a few here or there by market makers or such. 
I'll admit to being a bit of a novice with options (I usually only sell puts on stuff I want to buy anyway). Disclosure: I sold 1 option AIG Jan 2021@30 for $3.30
I've read the investopedia article, but I still don't get it.
https://www.investopedia.com/articles/optioninvestor/10/lure-of-cheap-options.asp
« Last Edit: November 06, 2020, 10:59:56 PM by markbike528CBX »

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Re: Option question - Why loads of Out of the Money options?
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2020, 06:28:14 AM »
A theory might go like this: AIG has lots of insurance exposure to Covid-19, and might have to pay off more claims than it can afford.  Buying put options with a strike of $10/sh would pay off very well if AIG enters bankruptcy before the option expires.  That's unlikely, but here's how it would play out:

Someone pays $8 per contract ($0.07/sh x 100 shares + $1 commission), and if AIG stock plunges to $1/share they can make a $900 profit off their contract.  They buy shares for $1/share and sell them for $10/share, keeping the $9 profit on 100 shares.  It's very unlikely, but the payoff is 1000% in about 2 months.

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Re: Option question - Why loads of Out of the Money options?
« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2020, 03:51:59 PM »
You have to go through a couple steps logically.  The first is it sometimes make sense to buy deep IN the money options.  For example, if you are bullish on Pepsi (PEP), you might by a call deep in the money to get low cost leverage.

Second there is a concept called "put/call parity".   A put and call at the same strike should have the same time value relative to its "inness or outness" from the money.  If they are irregularly priced, you can build a riskless three way trade with the put call and underlying security.  That is you can perform arbitrage.  There are hedge funds that do this via computer algorythm.  The in the money option may by mispriced by only a few pennies and only for a few seconds but the profit opportunity is fully hedged and completely riskless.  It happens very fast.

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Re: Option question - Why loads of Out of the Money options?
« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2020, 05:07:12 PM »
A good explanation and could be good if you can't sleep as well ;) Option value is all about volatility and time to left till expiration.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PM4rNDr4oI

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Re: Option question - Why loads of Out of the Money options?
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2020, 09:27:13 PM »
I would resist understanding the pricing as some kind of narrative, where human characters think something so they do something.

Options are priced by mathematical models, which is to say a lot could happen between now and early next year.

Examples:
1) China could take the opportunity to invade Taiwan while the US is hobbled by Covid and between presidents.
2) The Big One could hit California or the New Madrid fault.
3) A tsunami.
4) A rogue trader that costs hundreds of billions.
5) An accounting scandal.
6) Russia could invade Ukraine and/or Georgia.
7) Trump supporters Right wing militia groups could launch an armed insurgency, do a lot of damage, and raise a lot of uncertainty.
8) The market could tank 30-40% for no reason at all, with weaker companies falling harder.
9) A new mutation of Covid could come out, such as the one just identified in Denmark jumping between minks and humans, rending all our vaccine trials moot.
10) Hackers steal billions from AIG.
11) The US dollar collapses.
12) A US nuclear power plant melts down.
13) India and Pakistan go to war.
14) Iran shuts down the Straits of Hormuz.
15) The Euro or European Union appears likely to collapse.
16) A nation unexpectedly defaults on its debt.
17) Options traders rush to exit a crowded trade, and are forced to sell AIG stock.
18) Another company could make an offer for AIG 30-40% above the market cap.
etc...

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Re: Option question - Why loads of Out of the Money options?
« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2020, 11:59:42 PM »
Just to let you rest your minds,

I've bought to cover my 1 contract at $0.45, so I'm out.    3.30-0.45 is OK profit for 53 days.

I noticed that one of the reasons for AIG jump today (Monday 11/9/20) was that it might split into two companies.   So yes, that was unexpected (by me).

Thanks for the explanations. They all made some sense.   I'm glad I don't have to use the ideas for my implementation.