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lakes_1985

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Mutual funds for pension?
« on: November 28, 2017, 01:18:52 PM »
Hi, I live in Ireland. I'm 32 just about the get my mortgage with the wife and now looking to plan for retirement.i don't have a pension and I've read the Dave Ramsey book and am wondering is his advice to invest in mutual funds and this will be your pension? As in the profit that you make each year in those investments are what you live off or do I need to set up a separate pension?

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Re: Mutual funds for pension?
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2017, 03:16:22 PM »
I'm not sure what the pension options are in Ireland, but Ramsey is talking about mutual funds to fund retirement.  You don't live strictly off the profits, but rather, you live off 4%.  Research Safe Withdrawal Rate (SWR).  I think it applies only to U.S. stock investments, but there may be a similar theory for Ireland/the EU.

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Re: Mutual funds for pension?
« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2017, 03:37:37 PM »
You need a stream of income to live off of once you stop working. By amassing enough money in mutual funds or other investments you can generate an income stream that should last you the rest of your life. The typical number thrown around is 25x income which, if withdrawn at 4% per year, should last the rest of your life.

So if you think you'll need say $40,000 per year you would need to save $1,000,000 ($40,000 x 25). With the long-term returns in the US stock market over almost a century, even if you retired at the absolute peak of the market and saw your $1,000,000 investment drop by 30-40% the following year it would still be enough to withdraw $40,000 a year from the income (dividends) and if necessary selling some of the principal. Ideally your $1,000,000 portfolio would earn more than 4% each year and you would basically never touch that $1,000,000 and be able to pass it on to your children, charity, etc.

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Re: Mutual funds for pension?
« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2017, 12:41:45 AM »
I'm not sure what the pension options are in Ireland, but Ramsey is talking about mutual funds to fund retirement.  You don't live strictly off the profits, but rather, you live off 4%.  Research Safe Withdrawal Rate (SWR).  I think it applies only to U.S. stock investments, but there may be a similar theory for Ireland/the EU.
Thank you for your reply I will research this.

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Re: Mutual funds for pension?
« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2017, 12:43:45 AM »
You need a stream of income to live off of once you stop working. By amassing enough money in mutual funds or other investments you can generate an income stream that should last you the rest of your life. The typical number thrown around is 25x income which, if withdrawn at 4% per year, should last the rest of your life.

So if you think you'll need say $40,000 per year you would need to save $1,000,000 ($40,000 x 25). With the long-term returns in the US stock market over almost a century, even if you retired at the absolute peak of the market and saw your $1,000,000 investment drop by 30-40% the following year it would still be enough to withdraw $40,000 a year from the income (dividends) and if necessary selling some of the principal. Ideally your $1,000,000 portfolio would earn more than 4% each year and you would basically never touch that $1,000,000 and be able to pass it on to your children, charity, etc.
Thank you, so the 4% would be my pension and I wouldn't need to open a typical pension account? I think i need to get in contact with an investment professional here in Ireland and work out how to start investing.

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Re: Mutual funds for pension?
« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2017, 12:25:29 PM »
Here in the States, we have pensions that are involuntary--(your employer contributes) which were common decades ago, but rare now--and voluntary pensions, in which you and possibly your employer contribute.  You'll see a lot of terms for the different voluntary pension schemes... 401k, tIRA, TSP, ROTH, SEP.  The government here in the States encourages the citizenry to invest in these schemes by promising a tax incentive for investing.  In return, those of us contributing to such plans agree to not withdraw our money until we reach a specific age (usually 59-and-a-half), or until certain other terms are met.  Each pension is a just a container, a bucket, and within are a variety of investment options, like straight cash, mutual funds, bonds, or individual stocks... etc.  The type of bucket one uses is a really about the type of tax benefit one receives.

We also have Social Security, which is the government pension for nearly everyone.  Businesses AND employees are taxed.  The employee may then withdraw a government-calculated amount, starting at age 62, provided one worked enough in their lifetime to qualify.

If Ireland offers a monetary incentive for you contribute to a pension, you should carefully consider it.  There are ways for the U.S. folks to get around the age requirement for withdrawal, so we can use our voluntary pension money for early retirement.

 

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