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Re: Most Intriguing Investment Idea of the Day Thread
« Reply #150 on: August 03, 2023, 01:57:54 PM »
LEAST INTRIGUING INVESTMENT

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Since that time, the Fed has consistently messaged, NOPE, smart money has it wrong and we plan on "higher for longer" and more rate raises through the end of the year.  Futures market now believes that messaging. 
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Lesson learned.  Don't fight the Fed, ride the wave!  I didn't go long dated or well out of the money this time but I've flipped the trade on its head and gone short.  18AUG2023 expiry 98/103 bear put spread.  I got 2.92 pricing. 

I need TLT to fall 1.2% over 40 days (and the Fed should have raised rates by then or at least signaled one next time).  To make 71% return.  This is enough to push back into the green across both trades.

Underlying is at 98.14 and lower strike is approaching the money.  Should this finish in the money, my loss in TLT will fall to 411 dollars (after forgoing the half the opportunity to derisk the trade).

This now looks to finish safely in the money that Fitch has downgraded the government.  The markets mostly shrugged the announcement off but the hit to 20 year Treasuries e.g. the debt that was downgraded was material. 


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« Reply #151 on: August 04, 2023, 02:05:49 AM »
With the CWB bonds - yeah $80, face value $100, coupon 5% -> 6.25% current yield. Then the 25% in capital gains over ~ 8 years, 25/3 ~= 3% a year, hence 9.25% I guesstimated. Where the hell does the 13% come from?
IDK... I plugged these factors into https://dqydj.com/bond-yield-to-maturity-calculator/ and came up with 9.932%, assuming the coupon is $5 paid out as $2.50 twice a year or 6.25%. Maybe check the assumptions on the coupons.

Also note that in addition to the price of the bond, you also pay the seller the pro-rated interest they earned between payments. I suppose this practice was started to keep the prices of bonds stable and comparable between various interest payment schedules.

Also note, that when you buy a bond except at original issue; you pay the accrued interest on the front coupon.  So if the bond is priced at 80 cents on the dollar, you'll pay 800, plus accrued interest, plus commission.  All of those should be considered in your YTM calculation.  I did this approximately 45834905803459034853458904 times (approx) in grad school.  Its a lot of work to get the technically correct answer but unless the coupon is like 20% or the maturity is less than a year away, the difference is not material on a few thousand investment.  Bonds at IB have commisions that range from 1 dollar per to 7 dollars per and I can't figure out what the drivers are.  The usually moves the YTM by as much as the accrued interest or your compounding assumptions.

Someone on another forum said it was because it's a fixed to floater, so can theoretically convert in 3 years if the issuer wants to, and the 13.xx% is based on that. I'll stick to Gilts, GICs and CDs, preferred shares that I mostly understand I think.

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Re: Most Intriguing Investment Idea of the Day Thread
« Reply #152 on: August 08, 2023, 07:57:42 AM »
NVO - too late?

So, I've had a long positions in NVO for some time.  They have a drug in clinical trials that is doing really well.  It started as a diabetes drug and turned out to have a major "side effect" of causing people with clinical obesity to drop 30 pounds or more without effort, change in diet, or added exercise.  Adding these elements really ramps up the weight loss.  The drug "Wegovy" is currently delivered by injection and not pill which might reduce adoption but the market for medical weight loss is freaking huge.  Could be the next Lipitor.

I had a smaller short term bull call spread that I closed yesterday as it hit my 50% stop loss.  Wouldn't you know it?  NVO reported this morning that Wegovy has showed another benefit in trails in that it is very effective at reducing cardiovascular disease!  Shares have popped 17%.  I would have been in the money!  I still hold my long shares and the company is a good investment on the strength of the rest of the portfolio (but is probably expensive now ex-Wegovy). 

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Re: Most Intriguing Investment Idea of the Day Thread
« Reply #153 on: August 08, 2023, 09:51:29 AM »
Here's an intriguing idea, reduce your stock allocation.  The higher the bond yields, the less attractive stocks should be.

Interesting slides from Yahoo finance today:
https://www.canva.com/design/DAFqQRe2lR0/rInVDEKxrn0Z1ouZBxferA/view?utm_content=DA[%E2%80%A6]mpaign=designshare&utm_medium=link&utm_source=publishsharelink

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Re: Most Intriguing Investment Idea of the Day Thread
« Reply #154 on: August 08, 2023, 12:47:44 PM »
Here's an intriguing idea, reduce your stock allocation.  The higher the bond yields, the less attractive stocks should be.

Interesting slides from Yahoo finance today:
https://www.canva.com/design/DAFqQRe2lR0/rInVDEKxrn0Z1ouZBxferA/view?utm_content=DA[%E2%80%A6]mpaign=designshare&utm_medium=link&utm_source=publishsharelink
I really enjoyed that presentation, but then there's this, which puts the other metrics in context!

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Re: Most Intriguing Investment Idea of the Day Thread
« Reply #155 on: August 08, 2023, 02:06:50 PM »
LEAST INTRIGUING INVESTMENT

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Since that time, the Fed has consistently messaged, NOPE, smart money has it wrong and we plan on "higher for longer" and more rate raises through the end of the year.  Futures market now believes that messaging. 
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Lesson learned.  Don't fight the Fed, ride the wave!  I didn't go long dated or well out of the money this time but I've flipped the trade on its head and gone short.  18AUG2023 expiry 98/103 bear put spread.  I got 2.92 pricing. 

I need TLT to fall 1.2% over 40 days (and the Fed should have raised rates by then or at least signaled one next time).  To make 71% return.  This is enough to push back into the green across both trades.

Underlying is at 98.14 and lower strike is approaching the money.  Should this finish in the money, my loss in TLT will fall to 411 dollars (after forgoing the half the opportunity to derisk the trade).

This now looks to finish safely in the money that Fitch has downgraded the government.  The markets mostly shrugged the announcement off but the hit to 20 year Treasuries e.g. the debt that was downgraded was material.

Just an update on this trade, which I no longer consider a high conviction item.  My spread is in the money by 1.3% (a lot for slow moving TLT) with 10 days remaining to expiry.  The chart has gotten oversold, made a symmetrical move that broke the trend and is in a classic reversal (upward).  I hope it takes at least 10 days as I'm holding rather than taking profits.  On the other hand, this seems to be a rather well behaving chart and some Fed Governors are talking about when it is going to be time to cut again.

SO...I've gone long again!  I have 95/97 strikes bull call spread at the November expiry. I entered yesterday with the underlying about a dollar lower (big move today!) with 103 days till expiry.  The upper strike is 0.2% out of the money.  Finishing in the money will result in a 85.2% capital gain and put me back in the green across the three positions. 

To be clear, I'm wagering that I can predict interest rate policy anymore.  This is purely based on TA.

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Re: Most Intriguing Investment Idea of the Day Thread
« Reply #156 on: August 18, 2023, 08:13:10 AM »
Economists debated a hard or soft landing in 2022, but there's another possibility: a soft landing followed by the market crashing.  My smallest portfolio is speculative - it holds SPY and QQQ put options which profit off market drops.

Ignoring the chance of various events, let me focus on two: market recovery or market crash.  In a market recovery, I take a total loss: -100%.  In an average crash, the put options triple: +200%.  Notice the skew favors holding put options, all else being equal.

In general, the market is more likely to go up than fall.  This summer, the market really believed inflation was done and a soft landing was arriving.  I think the past few weeks may have shaken the market's confidence in that, while my speculative portfolio has recovered all the way back to -7%.  I think an inverted yield curve and QT will lead to a crash, so I view that as more likely than the general case of markets going up.  But this is my speculative portfolio, which "play money".

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Re: Most Intriguing Investment Idea of the Day Thread
« Reply #157 on: August 21, 2023, 01:01:39 PM »
Asset: Concentrix BBB bonds maturing in 2028 (CUSIP: 20602DAB7)
Price: $960.31
Rationale:
The cheap/risky end of investment grade corporate bonds is currently dominated by firms with exposure to commercial real estate or corporations winding down obsolete products. Wouldn't it be nice if growth companies yielded 7.576%?

Well, here you go. Concentrix (CNXC) is a digital user experience, automation, and digital marketing company - basically "outsource all your digital marketing". They've had 5 straight years of growing cash flow from operations, growing revenue, and growing net income, including through the 2020 recession. The company has almost 3x the cash flow from operations they had in 2018, and they've grown net income 9x since 2018 too. This summer they announced the acquisition of Webhelp, which will be primarily funded by diluting their common shareholders (who voted 92% to approve the transaction). The company will pay an additional $542.2M to Webhelp shareholders and cover Webhelp's debts.

Last month Concentrix issued $2.15B in bonds, which according to Moody's could increase leverage to 3.4x. Post-merger CNXC will be the biggest competitor in their industry with about $9B in annual revenue and $1.1B in free cash flow next year. Moody's expects them to reach their 2x leverage target within 2-3 years. I too think they *should* apply cash flow to debt reduction, because their pre-merger ROA is only 5.75% (ROE is 13.34%) and therefore a reduction in leverage might improve profitability while keeping interest expenses down. These particular bonds are not callable until July 2028.

On the downside, Concentrix's debt covenants leave little room for them to take on additional debt in the event of an emergency and they are already flirting with a downgrade to junk status. CNXC shareholders have fled the stock, which fell from over $200 in early 2022 to $73.45 today. The stock's PE of 10.24x seems out of place for an profitable industry leader and growth story. Maybe the market wrote off the company because earnings growth was only 7% in 2022 rather than the 800%+ growth of 2018-2021? But stockholders ignore such issues with tech B2B companies all the time. AMZN swung to a loss in 2022 and it still has a PE >100!

Overall I think bondholders will receive their payment in 5 years, and earn around 5% real returns. String together a few IG bond investments with real returns like that and you've got a solid retirement income base.

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Re: Most Intriguing Investment Idea of the Day Thread
« Reply #158 on: August 23, 2023, 09:54:56 AM »
Asset: Mylan (Viatris) Baa3 / BBB- rated bonds maturing in 2048 CUSIP: 628530BJ5
Price: $769.51 (7.215% yield to maturity)
Rationale:
Viatris (VTRS) is a generic drug manufacturer with $16.26B in annual revenue. They are the makers of the Epipen, Lipitor, and Lyrica. In 2020 Mylan merged with Pfizer's Upjohn unit and renamed the company Viatris. The company has a quick ratio of 0.94%, a debt/total capital ratio of 47.15%, and 3.89x interest coverage. Earlier this year, Viatris spent $695M to buy two eye healthcare companies and establish an "Eye Care Division" but these were relatively small acquisitions and VTRS has actually experienced falling levels of assets and liabilities through the first two quarters of 2023.

There are plenty of things not to like about Viatris' junk-adjacent bonds. Some critics may be concerned about the company's China exposure amid increasing political risks there. Others will point to a very inconsistent history of revenue, earnings, and cash flow, or the company's recent dividend hike and acquisitions. VTRS trails the overall pharmaceutical industry in ROA, ROE, and revenue per employee, but VTRS' numbers look good compared to other generic firms like AMRX, ENDO, and TEVA. None of these competitors' ROA exceeds the 7.2% yield Viatris is paying on their highly discounted 2048 maturity bonds, which were originally issued in 2018 at 5.2%. $500M of old Mylan bonds mature in November. It is unclear to me how much the company will need to borrow to replace that capital at today's high rates, because Viatris seems to have been on a cost-cutting and asset-shedding spree. The icing on the cake is analysts forecasting declining earnings next year. I'd be happier if management were cutting the dividend, avoiding acquisitions, and de-leveraging at a faster pace.

Still, locking in a current yield of 6.758% on a financially solid company near the top of its industry seems like a reasonable choice. The generic drug industry is not going away... if anything it's growing. Plus, if you're like me and don't buy the latest narrative that interest rates will never go down, then grabbing 25 years of duration looks like a plan. As with the Concentrix bonds discussed above, these bonds with 2-5% expected real returns can be expected to support a 4% retirement through potentially rough times ahead. Viatris also seems less discretionary than most. Do people stop buying the cheapest versions of the drugs they need in recessions? Yes, but it's no doubt a priority to stay healthy, and many of their customers are no doubt on fixed incomes or national insurance plans. If recession strikes later this year or in 2024, VTRS might get some relief from falling interest rates.

I wouldn't back up the truck, but a small serving of these bonds seems justified. They're worth watching if you anticipate a financial squeeze ahead, because they could go on sale. They were selling in the $670 range amid the gloom of October 2022, and that was the time to rent a U-haul. Such a time could come again.

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Re: Most Intriguing Investment Idea of the Day Thread
« Reply #159 on: August 29, 2023, 01:14:05 PM »
UPDATE: TLT

My original bet on rising TLT (Falling 20 year rates) took it on the chin in July and I booked a 1508 loss.  My reversal of position to bet on a declining TLT (Rising 20 year rates) booked 1097 in profit in August.  (would have been about double that but I took half my risk off the table when position was threatened.

I'm currently back to the original bias of rising TLT and falling 20 year rates.  Although instead of expecting 115 by mid-December, I'm positioned for maximum gain at 97 by mid-November.  That would be a 1196 gain, making the round trip profitable.  Current spot is over 96 and this looks like a 'money good' trade by expiry.

It's no longer one of my "most compelling ideas".  The extreme in sentiment going firmly against FedSpeak just isn't there anymore, and I'm trading purely on technical analysis.  Since stopping trying to outguess the Fed and just letting the trend by my friend, I'm doing much better.


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Re: Most Intriguing Investment Idea of the Day Thread
« Reply #160 on: August 29, 2023, 04:09:21 PM »
paid a $200 fantasy football league buy in
I call this an investment since I've won the league 3 of the past 10 years (4-figure payouts), and placed in the top 3 for smaller payouts 3 other times
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Re: Most Intriguing Investment Idea of the Day Thread
« Reply #161 on: September 03, 2023, 12:37:47 PM »
Walmart (WMT)

So WMT has outpaced the broad average by a good clip and is trouncing Target.  WallyWorld happens to be the country's largest grocer and this drives weekly traffic to its stores where there are opportunities to add a discretionary purchase at better margins.  WMT is seeing success in this and has been able to pass on some inflationary costs to consumers.  Stock hit a new all time high last week and trades safely above 50, 200, and 300 day moving averages while RSI is only 63, indicating room to run.

I'll be opening a net debit Bull Call Spread on Tuesday at the 160 and 165 strikes and 20OCT23 expiry.  I'll need the underlying to rally 2.1% in 46 days to generate an estimated 78.6% return.   I'll be following a 65% hard stop loss.  Position size, about $2,500.

WMT is a dominant player that is growing more dominant but this is largely a momentum play for me. 

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Re: Most Intriguing Investment Idea of the Day Thread
« Reply #162 on: September 13, 2023, 09:20:37 PM »
Asset: SPY puts at the 225 strike expiring January 16, 2026 (856d from now)
Price: $2.68/share, though volumes are very thin so YMMV
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VIX is back down to about 13.5 which means OTM options are relatively cheap. The rationale for buying put options at the 225 strike is not that one actually expects the S&P500 to be 50% lower in 2.35 years, it's that the vega for those options is 44.4 cents, or 16.6% of the option's theoretical price. That means a 100 basis point (1%) increase in implied volatility would increase the option's price by about that much, all things being equal.*

Yes, shorter-duration options like the January 19, 2024 expiry have a slightly higher vega as percentage of the price, but I'd argue the longer-duration put gives one the ability to ride out a long period of low volatility if that's what lies ahead and if you want to stay in the game betting IV moves higher. The shorter-duration option is riskier IMO because it is more likely that time decay will overwhelm any change in Vega.

Additionally, I'll be watching this put to evaluate the idea of using deep-OTM and extra-long duration options purchased during phases of low volatility as a hedge against volatility. It seems like a bad idea on the surface until one thinks about hedging with vega (volatility) instead of delta (price). A relatively small price correction could send IV soaring in this pessimistic environment.

*Yes, VIX is a measure of expected volatility in the S&P500 index over the next 30 days, and the expected volatility of an option 2.35 years out could be different.

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Re: Most Intriguing Investment Idea of the Day Thread
« Reply #163 on: September 14, 2023, 04:04:50 AM »
Asset: SPY puts at the 225 strike expiring January 16, 2026 (856d from now)
Price: $2.68/share, though volumes are very thin so YMMV
Rationale:
VIX is back down to about 13.5 which means OTM options are relatively cheap. The rationale for buying put options at the 225 strike is not that one actually expects the S&P500 to be 50% lower in 2.35 years, ...
Is the breakeven point a market drop of -53.6% from SPY"s $480 peak?

(I don't see 2026 SPY puts listed in Yahoo Finance yet)

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Re: Most Intriguing Investment Idea of the Day Thread
« Reply #164 on: September 14, 2023, 06:55:28 AM »
Asset: SPY puts at the 225 strike expiring January 16, 2026 (856d from now)
Price: $2.68/share, though volumes are very thin so YMMV
Rationale:
VIX is back down to about 13.5 which means OTM options are relatively cheap. The rationale for buying put options at the 225 strike is not that one actually expects the S&P500 to be 50% lower in 2.35 years, ...
Is the breakeven point a market drop of -53.6% from SPY"s $480 peak?

(I don't see 2026 SPY puts listed in Yahoo Finance yet)
Yea this is definitely not a hold-till-maturity option. It's a bet that an increase in volatility will come sooner than theta decay and outrun it. As a 6 month play, you'd experience minimal theta and have the opportunity to multiply your money if stocks corrected. There are lots of options that can do that, but this one intrigues me because it is so far out and so OTM that it is almost a pure play on vega (0.444 yesterday on an option that last traded for $1.78) and rho - rates - (-0.2299 this morning). If you think rate expectations are going down in the next few months and volatility lies ahead, this is a cheap option tailored to that view.

I also noticed that Yahoo Finance was not up to date with the latest expiry dates. Best I can tell they have some data feeds, some aspects where a human copies the information into tables, and some spots where duct tape holds the thing together. Probably a role where AI is likely to take over and then we worry about hallucinations instead of Todd not getting his work done.

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« Reply #165 on: September 15, 2023, 02:20:21 PM »
Anyone look at or follow Japanese stocks?

https://www.interactivebrokers.com/en/trading/margin-rates.php

Still cheap to buy JP stuff on margin. Vs things in USD, CAD, EUR, GBP...

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Re: Most Intriguing Investment Idea of the Day Thread
« Reply #166 on: September 18, 2023, 01:18:12 PM »
Asset: Life annuity through immediateannuities.com
Price: Variable, the current payout is 6.22% for a 45y/o male in my state.
Rationale:
I think sequence of returns risk (SORR, or the risk of being forced to sell assets at low market prices during retirement) can be mitigated if one has a base of relatively safe fixed income in excess of one's withdraw rate. E.g. people with a 4% WR could probably improve the longevity of their portfolios if they could generate a decent chunk of their spending from fixed income assets with yields in the 6% range.

Returns this high cover the 4% WR. They offer inflation protection to the extent the return exceeds the WR. So in our 6% example, the 2% excess return covers that much inflation per year. If inflation exceeds this excess (e.g. if inflation is 4%) then this part of the asset allocation loses the difference in real purchasing power (e.g. 4%-2%= 2% reduction in purchasing power per year). 

That scenario may sound bad, but it's nowhere near as bad as a 30-40% loss in stocks followed by a few years of withdraws from a stock-heavy portfolio. A portfolio with more fixed income is more likely to sustain itself for decades after such an event, all while spinning off cash that insulates the investor from SORR. So if one allocated, say, 25% of their assets to a 6% fixed return, one would be reducing their SORR risk in exchange for some additional inflation risk. That tradeoff is reasonable because with stocks one takes the exact opposite trade, reducing inflation risk in exchange for SORR risk.

Safe fixed income assets returning over 6% are available to purchase now, in the form of bonds from A-rated corporations or annuities.

I pulled an annuity quote for a stream of income starting in 1 year, with a $100k investment. The payment for my age, gender, and location was $518 per month, or 6.22% of my investment per year.

People who want to leave an inheritance might prefer similar-yielding corporate bonds such as those issued by Celgene (151020AL8), Aflac (001055AD4), Alibaba (01609WAY8), Simon Property Group (828807CL9), Pacificorp (695114CL0), or Washington Gas & Light Co (93884PDT4). However some of these are callable, which means you might have to reinvest at lower interest rates in the future and don't really have a 100% secured income. Plus, there is arguably more credit risk involved. Another way to get 6% is through preferred stock, but these arguably come with even more risks.

A lower interest rate future that might lead to bonds, CDs, and preferreds being called away would likely be the same future in which stocks have just taken a severe beating - connected to the reason why rates were cut. So there's a case to be made that to fully exploit the offsetting of interest rate and SOR risks, you need to have the fixed income portion of your AA be REALLY fixed income. That means non-callable, lifetime-term, and with relatively low credit risk.

So a 6.22% annuity is intriguing for its potential to float a 4%WR portfolio through a SORR event OR to endure as a not-callable safe source of income if low rates return.

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Re: Most Intriguing Investment Idea of the Day Thread
« Reply #167 on: September 18, 2023, 01:38:08 PM »
Just pulled the trigger on a similar annuity after selling one of our rentals. It will generate lifetime income while eliminating the hassles associated with being a landlord.

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Re: Most Intriguing Investment Idea of the Day Thread
« Reply #168 on: September 18, 2023, 05:24:43 PM »
Asset: Life annuity through immediateannuities.com
Price: Variable, the current payout is 6.22% for a 45y/o male in my state.
Rationale:
I think sequence of returns risk (SORR, or the risk of being forced to sell assets at low market prices during retirement) can be mitigated if one has a base of relatively safe fixed income in excess of one's withdraw rate. E.g. people with a 4% WR could probably improve the longevity of their portfolios if they could generate a decent chunk of their spending from fixed income assets with yields in the 6% range.

Returns this high cover the 4% WR. They offer inflation protection to the extent the return exceeds the WR. So in our 6% example, the 2% excess return covers that much inflation per year. If inflation exceeds this excess (e.g. if inflation is 4%) then this part of the asset allocation loses the difference in real purchasing power (e.g. 4%-2%= 2% reduction in purchasing power per year). 

That scenario may sound bad, but it's nowhere near as bad as a 30-40% loss in stocks followed by a few years of withdraws from a stock-heavy portfolio. A portfolio with more fixed income is more likely to sustain itself for decades after such an event, all while spinning off cash that insulates the investor from SORR. So if one allocated, say, 25% of their assets to a 6% fixed return, one would be reducing their SORR risk in exchange for some additional inflation risk. That tradeoff is reasonable because with stocks one takes the exact opposite trade, reducing inflation risk in exchange for SORR risk.

Safe fixed income assets returning over 6% are available to purchase now, in the form of bonds from A-rated corporations or annuities.

I pulled an annuity quote for a stream of income starting in 1 year, with a $100k investment. The payment for my age, gender, and location was $518 per month, or 6.22% of my investment per year.

People who want to leave an inheritance might prefer similar-yielding corporate bonds such as those issued by Celgene (151020AL8), Aflac (001055AD4), Alibaba (01609WAY8), Simon Property Group (828807CL9), Pacificorp (695114CL0), or Washington Gas & Light Co (93884PDT4). However some of these are callable, which means you might have to reinvest at lower interest rates in the future and don't really have a 100% secured income. Plus, there is arguably more credit risk involved. Another way to get 6% is through preferred stock, but these arguably come with even more risks.

A lower interest rate future that might lead to bonds, CDs, and preferreds being called away would likely be the same future in which stocks have just taken a severe beating - connected to the reason why rates were cut. So there's a case to be made that to fully exploit the offsetting of interest rate and SOR risks, you need to have the fixed income portion of your AA be REALLY fixed income. That means non-callable, lifetime-term, and with relatively low credit risk.

So a 6.22% annuity is intriguing for its potential to float a 4%WR portfolio through a SORR event OR to endure as a not-callable safe source of income if low rates return.

Best I could get was 6.01% for an annuity starting in 1 year for a male age 40. If I changed it to 45 I also got 6.22% Interestingly it was the same for multiple states - including NY - but CA was 6.07%. Normally NY is the outlier for all things insurance.

I remember thinking years ago that buying a lifetime annuity would be a good idea if lifespans became radically longer due to scientific advances, i.e. people living to be 150. However, it looks like most annuities now have a maximum age in the range of 100-120 just to account for that miniscule risk that suddenly people start living twice as long.

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Re: Most Intriguing Investment Idea of the Day Thread
« Reply #169 on: September 19, 2023, 12:05:28 PM »
VXX, long dated Puts.  I had a position at the 20 strike and Jan 2025 expiry.  As the underlying approached the strike, I was sitting close to break even after 63 days of basically dead money.  I decided to cash out, 9 dollars in profit after commissions.  I still have Bear Put Spreads at the October expiry.   I got the contango decay I wanted but Vega did a number on my profit this time.  Still believe in the strategy but prefer quick exits with monthly bear put spreads for the current environment.  Win rate will be lower but the size of gain will be better and compound faster.

Decided the proceeds was better held as fixed income and bought 124 shares of PDI, adding $27.34 to my average monthly distribution.