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sailinlight

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Margin loan at Fidelity
« on: September 14, 2021, 08:17:02 AM »
I'd like to take a margin loan in my taxable account at Fidelity to get cash for a down payment of a property for a few months until I get the proceeds from another sale. I've (obviously) never done it before and the interface seems a bit confusing. To do this, I would go through the steps to sell the mutual fund but select Margin for the Trade Type? Then the funds will be distributed in my sweep account and I can transfer them out?
Then to close out the margin position, I would transfer the cash to the account and go through the process to buy the fund again and as long as the amount I bought is greater than the margin balance, it will close it out?
Thanks for any advice

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Re: Margin loan at Fidelity
« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2021, 09:25:03 AM »
Not totally sure but my understanding is that the loan is for the equities you buy in that account, and the cash/other equities you hold in that account serve as collateral.

I don't think margin loans can be utilized like regular loans.

I'd look to your bank to see if you can get a credit line to tap.

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Re: Margin loan at Fidelity
« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2021, 09:28:23 AM »
I'd like to take a margin loan in my taxable account at Fidelity to get cash for a down payment of a property for a few months until I get the proceeds from another sale. I've (obviously) never done it before and the interface seems a bit confusing. To do this, I would go through the steps to sell the mutual fund but select Margin for the Trade Type? Then the funds will be distributed in my sweep account and I can transfer them out?
Then to close out the margin position, I would transfer the cash to the account and go through the process to buy the fund again and as long as the amount I bought is greater than the margin balance, it will close it out?
Thanks for any advice

how much money do you have there?  their margin rates are awful.  I'd call your advisor and see about a line of credit vs your invested money.  My dad just did this with etrade for a similar home buying reason and they gave him 2% vs the published rate for margin in the 8's i believe. 

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Re: Margin loan at Fidelity
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2021, 04:05:30 PM »
I'd like to take a margin loan in my taxable account at Fidelity to get cash for a down payment of a property for a few months until I get the proceeds from another sale. I've (obviously) never done it before and the interface seems a bit confusing. To do this, I would go through the steps to sell the mutual fund but select Margin for the Trade Type? Then the funds will be distributed in my sweep account and I can transfer them out?
Then to close out the margin position, I would transfer the cash to the account and go through the process to buy the fund again and as long as the amount I bought is greater than the margin balance, it will close it out?
Thanks for any advice


Part one, to take a margin loan, you should not be selling securities. The whole point is to continue to own them and still be able to withdraw cash. I too have fidelity, but i have only used margin to buy additional stocks, not withdraw cash, but having to sell seems fundamentally wrong and fidelity should walk you through it better. If you have already converted the account to margin, then all your positions should have the word (margin) beside them. And all buys and sells in the account will show up as margin, unless prohibited.

Part two, to pay off the loan. Once you take out the loan, the core balance position that shows your cash will turn negative. Every day you are charged interest on this amount (payable monthly I do believe), so simply deposit cash and the position will shrink (turn less negative), and eventually go positive. At which point fidelity will stop changing you interest, and it will behave just like normal. The process is actually really easy. So easy in fact I ended up taking out margin once or twice I didn't intend to. Very small amounts.

If you want to widdle away at the balance, you can turn off dividend reinvesting and that will deposit cash into your account instead of buying shares. Effectively paying the balance down slowly. It's normally around 8% so could be better at these valuations.

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Re: Margin loan at Fidelity
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2021, 04:18:47 PM »
I don't think margin loans can be utilized like regular loans.

According to MMM they can be at IB.

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Re: Margin loan at Fidelity
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2021, 05:34:13 AM »
I'll repeat what i said you should look into a line of credit at whatever financial institution you're at and negotiate a rate above sofr - i'm pretty sure i'll be able to get etrade down to 1% or less.

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Re: Margin loan at Fidelity
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2021, 09:25:59 AM »
I'd like to take a margin loan in my taxable account at Fidelity to get cash for a down payment of a property for a few months until I get the proceeds from another sale. I've (obviously) never done it before and the interface seems a bit confusing.
The first $20k of margin loan costs 8.5% at Vanguard and 8.3% at Fidelity.
https://www.fidelity.com/trading/margin-loans/margin-rates

The first $100k at IBKR costs 1.6%, but you need assets backing that loan.  If you really want a margin loan, you should move assets to IBKR and take it out there.
https://www.interactivebrokers.com/en/accounts/fees/pricing-margin-rates.php

If you're waiting a few months for the other sale, keep in mind the risk of something going wrong.  Then you're stuck with the margin loan longer than expected.

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Re: Margin loan at Fidelity
« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2021, 01:34:32 PM »
So since this thread is getting some replies, I thought I'd share my experience. It was actually super easy, all I had to do was to request a wire transfer to my bank from their website, which is free at Fidelity and was completed within an hour. They allow you to transfer out an amount up to your margin limit or up to $100k. A week later I ETFed the funds back to Fidelity plus the few dollars of interest they charged.
Overall it was a very easy process, and I really like that you can request large wires online. I've never had a bank that allowed that. While the rate is terrible, for getting money transferred in a pinch, it's a really great service. I used to try to keep large balances in my checking account to cover emergency expenses, but I think I'll stop doing that knowing I can get a lot of money transferred almost instantly in a pinch.

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Re: Margin loan at Fidelity
« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2021, 01:51:23 PM »
So since this thread is getting some replies, I thought I'd share my experience. It was actually super easy, all I had to do was to request a wire transfer to my bank from their website, which is free at Fidelity and was completed within an hour. They allow you to transfer out an amount up to your margin limit or up to $100k. A week later I ETFed the funds back to Fidelity plus the few dollars of interest they charged.
Overall it was a very easy process, and I really like that you can request large wires online. I've never had a bank that allowed that. While the rate is terrible, for getting money transferred in a pinch, it's a really great service. I used to try to keep large balances in my checking account to cover emergency expenses, but I think I'll stop doing that knowing I can get a lot of money transferred almost instantly in a pinch.

short term it makes sense - long term i'd say you should open a line of credit they will give you a premium rate on that.

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Re: Margin loan at Fidelity
« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2021, 02:47:54 PM »
Look into box spreads for the best rates (.65%-.8%)