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Im trying to understand a bit more about the current market....I was reading about Jim Simons mathmatical approach to the stock market.  Im still learning investment stuff, so trying to see what im missing regarding short term forcasting (like a course of study).

In a very basic way I see it as follows:
1. Were after an extended and huge growth period since 2007 recession, fuelled by QE and low interest rates.  Large parts of the markets increased through speculation and debt.  If recession or depression hit, more QE and interest wont fix it this time.
2. Inflation is desired by government due to associated increase in revenue intake (without raising tax) caused by post pandemic increases in consumption and trade.
3. Inflation could 'cool' the market more controllably than a sudden recession, so may be preferred.
4. Inflation could weaken the dollar and make USA exports more attractive, which helps USA in ongoing trade war with China.


Dalio, Burry and others say equity is wayover priced and we are in a bubble.  Cathy Woods say otherwise. 

If Dalio's 'debt cycle' has any meaning, surely we are approaching a massive recession, even if delayed by current QI and policy...even for a few years.....

What am I missing?

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1. Were after an extended and huge growth period since 2007 recession, fuelled by QE and low interest rates.  Large parts of the markets increased through speculation and debt.  If recession or depression hit, more QE and interest wont fix it this time.
Arguably we've been growing due to falling interest rates since the 1980s, and with help from QE since about 2008. Low rates, QE, and helicopter money worked exactly as Keynes predicted decades ago, essentially erasing what would have otherwise been a second Great Depression. In that sense, it has already worked one more time, in 2008 and again in 2020. Of course, Keynes advocating paying down the national debt when the good times returned, which is the part of the plan we are not following. The question is: At what point of national debt does a nation with a reserve currency lose control of interest rates? As long as the US is paying less than the value of inflation for its debt, and collecting just enough taxes, the system is sustainable forever. That is, the growth of the debt matches the growth of the government's ability to collect taxes. I suggest exploring the assumptions behind that plan - it might explain a lot about how and when investors freak out about news items in the short term.
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2. Inflation is desired by government due to associated increase in revenue intake (without raising tax) caused by post pandemic increases in consumption and trade.
I think inflation is not desired by governments, which become less popular as prices rise. Inflation is desired by economists, who can see that economic growth is maximized at around 2-3% inflation, which is the sweet spot where the costs of changing menus and signs is offset by the incentive not to park cash in non-productive uses.
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3. Inflation could 'cool' the market more controllably than a sudden recession, so may be preferred.
Suppose you own a factory which produces widgets at a 4% return on assets. The factory is leveraged with debt at an interest rate of 3%. If interest rates rise to 4% at the time you need to roll the debt, does the factory start producing near-zero economic profits? Not necessarily. If the factory is able to charge higher prices, and avoid rising costs through automation or other techniques, maybe their ROA rises to 5%. The point is that inflation might 'cool' the market a lot less than expected. Of course, some businesses will be caught between rising costs and an inability to raise prices, such as low-automation industries with foreign competition. Given that the US and Europe have had very low inflation for a very long time, it may be the case that these economies have become organized around the assumption of low inflation, and would be disrupted if that assumption ever changed. This is what happened to Western manufacturing in the 1970s.
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4. Inflation could weaken the dollar and make USA exports more attractive, which helps USA in ongoing trade war with China.
It depends... The value of a currency is set by those living outside the currency. E.g. the amount of your Euros you are willing to trade for a Dollar is what sets the value of the Dollar. If you are in a country facing 7% inflation and negative real interest rates, it might be your best option to trade your currency for dollars even if the US is facing 4% or 5% inflation and slightly less negative real interest rates. This dynamic is how wealthy people in places like India or Brazil preserve their purchasing power, and it's also why the US has been able to run a constant budget and trade deficit without the value of its currency plummeting, as would happen if a country like Venezuela or Zimbabwe without a reserve currency attempted such things. Also, note that inflation usually means wages increase too. If inflation raises the cost of production in the US farther beyond the costs of overseas competitors, then US inflation could hurt producers in the US relative to producers in China or elsewhere. E.g. if wages in the US go up 5% but wages in China go up 4%, then goods can be produced at relatively less cost in China.
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Dalio, Burry and others say equity is wayover priced and we are in a bubble.  Cathy Woods say otherwise. 

If Dalio's 'debt cycle' has any meaning, surely we are approaching a massive recession, even if delayed by current QI and policy...even for a few years.....
I also find Dalio's theory fascinating, but it plays out over the course of decades and generations, not the next few years. We are always and always have been "approaching a massive recession". As someone who has lived in the declining US, I can attest that it always looks like the wheels are going to fall off any second now. It looks like that every day, and has always looked like that every day. This provides fodder for "financial journalists" to write about how the markets "could" crash for all these very good reasons. The reasons are always good.

I once owned a house surrounded by very large oak trees. I noticed lots of dead limbs and concluded that the oaks were probably diseased. If they died in a few years, they would threaten to fall on the house and cost thousands to remove. It's now been a decade since I sold that house. I drove by it the other day and there were the oaks, with lots of dead limbs. I realized they always have dead limbs. They suffer from disease their whole lives, which can be a century or more, and this is normal. Don't sell for that reason.

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We could stay in a bubble for the rest of your life by some standards.

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1. Were after an extended and huge growth period since 2007 recession, fuelled by QE and low interest rates.  Large parts of the markets increased through speculation and debt.  If recession or depression hit, more QE and interest wont fix it this time.
Arguably we've been growing due to falling interest rates since the 1980s, and with help from QE since about 2008. Low rates, QE, and helicopter money worked exactly as Keynes predicted decades ago, essentially erasing what would have otherwise been a second Great Depression. In that sense, it has already worked one more time, in 2008 and again in 2020. Of course, Keynes advocating paying down the national debt when the good times returned, which is the part of the plan we are not following. The question is: At what point of national debt does a nation with a reserve currency lose control of interest rates? As long as the US is paying less than the value of inflation for its debt, and collecting just enough taxes, the system is sustainable forever. That is, the growth of the debt matches the growth of the government's ability to collect taxes. I suggest exploring the assumptions behind that plan - it might explain a lot about how and when investors freak out about news items in the short term.
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2. Inflation is desired by government due to associated increase in revenue intake (without raising tax) caused by post pandemic increases in consumption and trade.
I think inflation is not desired by governments, which become less popular as prices rise. Inflation is desired by economists, who can see that economic growth is maximized at around 2-3% inflation, which is the sweet spot where the costs of changing menus and signs is offset by the incentive not to park cash in non-productive uses.
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3. Inflation could 'cool' the market more controllably than a sudden recession, so may be preferred.
Suppose you own a factory which produces widgets at a 4% return on assets. The factory is leveraged with debt at an interest rate of 3%. If interest rates rise to 4% at the time you need to roll the debt, does the factory start producing near-zero economic profits? Not necessarily. If the factory is able to charge higher prices, and avoid rising costs through automation or other techniques, maybe their ROA rises to 5%. The point is that inflation might 'cool' the market a lot less than expected. Of course, some businesses will be caught between rising costs and an inability to raise prices, such as low-automation industries with foreign competition. Given that the US and Europe have had very low inflation for a very long time, it may be the case that these economies have become organized around the assumption of low inflation, and would be disrupted if that assumption ever changed. This is what happened to Western manufacturing in the 1970s.
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4. Inflation could weaken the dollar and make USA exports more attractive, which helps USA in ongoing trade war with China.
It depends... The value of a currency is set by those living outside the currency. E.g. the amount of your Euros you are willing to trade for a Dollar is what sets the value of the Dollar. If you are in a country facing 7% inflation and negative real interest rates, it might be your best option to trade your currency for dollars even if the US is facing 4% or 5% inflation and slightly less negative real interest rates. This dynamic is how wealthy people in places like India or Brazil preserve their purchasing power, and it's also why the US has been able to run a constant budget and trade deficit without the value of its currency plummeting, as would happen if a country like Venezuela or Zimbabwe without a reserve currency attempted such things. Also, note that inflation usually means wages increase too. If inflation raises the cost of production in the US farther beyond the costs of overseas competitors, then US inflation could hurt producers in the US relative to producers in China or elsewhere. E.g. if wages in the US go up 5% but wages in China go up 4%, then goods can be produced at relatively less cost in China.
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Dalio, Burry and others say equity is wayover priced and we are in a bubble.  Cathy Woods say otherwise. 

If Dalio's 'debt cycle' has any meaning, surely we are approaching a massive recession, even if delayed by current QI and policy...even for a few years.....
I also find Dalio's theory fascinating, but it plays out over the course of decades and generations, not the next few years. We are always and always have been "approaching a massive recession". As someone who has lived in the declining US, I can attest that it always looks like the wheels are going to fall off any second now. It looks like that every day, and has always looked like that every day. This provides fodder for "financial journalists" to write about how the markets "could" crash for all these very good reasons. The reasons are always good.

I once owned a house surrounded by very large oak trees. I noticed lots of dead limbs and concluded that the oaks were probably diseased. If they died in a few years, they would threaten to fall on the house and cost thousands to remove. It's now been a decade since I sold that house. I drove by it the other day and there were the oaks, with lots of dead limbs. I realized they always have dead limbs. They suffer from disease their whole lives, which can be a century or more, and this is normal. Don't sell for that reason.

'ChpBstrd, thanks for information and view.....no risk of selling, just hate buying at max price but no alternative.

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We could stay in a bubble for the rest of your life by some standards.

@Mr. Green, I think dalio uses the term 'pushing on a string', when QE, low interest, wild speculation, etc, drives main stream equity to its upper limits....essentially that it plateaus and wobbles at a dangerous point. Surely to sustain that partially artifical environment has limits...limits in QE, limits in interest, consumption cools.....

am aware this sort of thing has been covered in some ways in previous posts, but arent we currently in an artifical market in some way....While the investment strategy never changes, its interesting to consider the current sitaution in depth.

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I'm not smart enough to have answers on this question, but think about it too.

One thought I haven't seen written very often is that maybe central banks and society in general are doing a better job than seems reasonable, and the result is that more capital is available. In other words, the low interest rates propping up today's prices are mostly sustainable. Which I suppose would mean that long term returns are probably going to be lower than in the past, but not because society or even markets will collapse, but rather because cheaper capital logically will deliver lower returns.

If the above paragraph all turns out to be true, I don't suppose bear markets will disappear. I just suppose bear markets and bull markets will continue to have volatility similar to the past, but with a lower average return as the anchor.

In which case, I guess the next 1-2 years wouldn't be a good timeframe for changing tactics. Maybe the right response would be maintain a normal allocation but a lower safe withdrawal rate, perhaps 3.25% instead of 4% - but maybe 4% is fine because there's enough stability to maintain that, even if average returns are lower than before.

I wish I knew for sure! :)

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One thought I haven't seen written very often is that maybe central banks and society in general are doing a better job than seems reasonable, and the result is that more capital is available. In other words, the low interest rates propping up today's prices are mostly sustainable. Which I suppose would mean that long term returns are probably going to be lower than in the past, but not because society or even markets will collapse, but rather because cheaper capital logically will deliver lower returns.

I think it's undeniable that today's Fed is doing a better job averting severe recessions and depressions than they did in most of the 20th century. Like a star hockey goalie, they blocked two hard and short shots in relatively quick succession, in 2008 and 2020, either of which could have caused another great depression.

A key difference is that we are no longer on the gold standard, and therefore no longer have to raise interest rates and slow monetary velocity at the worst possible time to prevent waves of gold redemptions. These pro-cyclical actions made recessions worse in the late 1920s-30s and up until the 70's. Instead, we're all Keyensians now and it works splendidly as we saw just 15 months ago.

As if that wasn't good news enough, the Fed has amassed enough assets on its balance sheet that it could withdraw a large percentage of the money in existence from the economy if it ever became necessary. Thus, the Fed can credibly kill any outbreak of inflation, and can probably do so without raising interest rates.

That last part is the big innovation. Open market activities are a much more powerful, precise, and immediate lever of control than interest rates, and results in a lot less of the collateral damage to investors and businesses that causes recessions. If the Fed can control inflation with QE/QT, then they don't ever have to raise interest rates to "cool" the economy. They will just directly suck the liquidity out if monetary velocity gets too high, and nobody's borrowing rate has to change by much.

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If the above paragraph all turns out to be true, I don't suppose bear markets will disappear. I just suppose bear markets and bull markets will continue to have volatility similar to the past, but with a lower average return as the anchor.

In which case, I guess the next 1-2 years wouldn't be a good timeframe for changing tactics. Maybe the right response would be maintain a normal allocation but a lower safe withdrawal rate, perhaps 3.25% instead of 4% - but maybe 4% is fine because there's enough stability to maintain that, even if average returns are lower than before.

Not necessarily. If it's true that better monetary management tools will lead to rarer and shallower recessions than in the past, then maybe that means SORR events like 1929, 1973, or 2000 will be rarer too. 2020 would have been a depression had there not been massive stimulus and QE, so we've already dodged at least 1 SORR event within our lifetimes - two if you were invested in 2008. Remember that SORR threats to 4%WR retirements have historically been once-in-a-lifetime events, so it might be more likely that 4% is too conservative for a future with buzzing economic activity at low interest rates and inflation under tight control.

If asset prices seem high, that's because the Fed is steadily gaining credibility, systemic risk is actually going down, and the future I'm describing appears more likely by the day. Real returns will settle to where they've always been for assets with a similar level of volatility.

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I did my Undergrad in Economics.  I was indoctrinated mostly into the Friedman school of monetary theory.  The theories that are out there today would have been considered completely outlandish when I finished in 1998, just after LTCM and the Russian default.  I poo-pooed MMT for years and finally decided to actually read Mosler's book to see what he had to say.  He is perfectly reasonable and his theories were developed by examining hard data as a sovereign debt trader for major banks.  He noticed some reliable behavior that didn't fit any of the existing models and made his own model.  He then bet real money on those ideas.  And made a fortune.  I still have some skepticism but recognize there are at least some partial truths to MMT.

My new thinking about volatility is that we will have more of it than in the past.  It is kind of like Global Warming.  There is more total energy in the climate, thus we have higher highs, lower lows, bigger storms, floods, and droughts.  We have an enormous amount of M2 in the system and thus more "energy" in the monetary system.  That is why the market can fall 50% or more in a couple months and rebound in less than a year.

So instead of a "crystal ball", I recommend an anti-crystal approach.  Read Taleb and get some anti-fragility in your portfolio.  My current strategy leans pretty heavily on in the money net debit option spreads.  I'm making hay while the sun is shining and raising cash to deploy in the next 50% crash.  I see cash as a call option on the entire market that never expires. 

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Economists once thought zero was as low as interest rates could go, and yet parts of Europe now have negative interest rates and things are moving along quite normally. Never underestimate the creativity that financial wizards could come up with to keep the status quo humming along. Meanwhile, we could talk about bubbles right on into our caskets.

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Economists once thought zero was as low as interest rates could go, and yet parts of Europe now have negative interest rates and things are moving along quite normally. Never underestimate the creativity that financial wizards could come up with to keep the status quo humming along. Meanwhile, we could talk about bubbles right on into our caskets.

It wasn't just Economist.  I remember grad classes in Finance where PhD profs insisted no one would ever buy a bond with a negative rate.

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I did my Undergrad in Economics.  I was indoctrinated mostly into the Friedman school of monetary theory.  The theories that are out there today would have been considered completely outlandish when I finished in 1998, just after LTCM and the Russian default.  I poo-pooed MMT for years and finally decided to actually read Mosler's book to see what he had to say.  He is perfectly reasonable and his theories were developed by examining hard data as a sovereign debt trader for major banks.  He noticed some reliable behavior that didn't fit any of the existing models and made his own model.  He then bet real money on those ideas.  And made a fortune.  I still have some skepticism but recognize there are at least some partial truths to MMT.

My new thinking about volatility is that we will have more of it than in the past.  It is kind of like Global Warming.  There is more total energy in the climate, thus we have higher highs, lower lows, bigger storms, floods, and droughts.  We have an enormous amount of M2 in the system and thus more "energy" in the monetary system.  That is why the market can fall 50% or more in a couple months and rebound in less than a year.

So instead of a "crystal ball", I recommend an anti-crystal approach.  Read Taleb and get some anti-fragility in your portfolio.  My current strategy leans pretty heavily on in the money net debit option spreads.  I'm making hay while the sun is shining and raising cash to deploy in the next 50% crash.  I see cash as a call option on the entire market that never expires.

Hey raptor. Thanks for the references, I like to study it...if you think of any more

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2. Inflation is desired by government due to associated increase in revenue intake (without raising tax) caused by post pandemic increases in consumption and trade.
I think inflation is not desired by governments, which become less popular as prices rise. Inflation is desired by economists, who can see that economic growth is maximized at around 2-3% inflation, which is the sweet spot where the costs of changing menus and signs is offset by the incentive not to park cash in non-productive uses.
I think what matters most is that the Fed wants 2% inflation, and they decide the bank rates.

"The Federal Open Market Committee (FOMC) judges that inflation of 2 percent over the longer run, as measured by the annual change in the price index for personal consumption expenditures, is most consistent with the Federal Reserve’s mandate for maximum employment and price stability."
https://www.federalreserve.gov/faqs/economy_14400.htm

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Are you looking for actionable market timing strategies or just to better understand how markets work?

Because the more you understand how markets work, the less inclined you will be to try and predict them.

That doesn't mean doing nothing, it means having an overall, longterm investment strategy that you are comfortable with no matter what the market does.

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If we're only talking 1-2 years (not long term), maybe Covid-19 will continue to have a significant influence?

Kathie Wood's ARK ETFs are lagging the market so far in 2021.  It seems like she can't accurately predict the 1 year time frame.  Maybe she's right long term, but that's certainly beyond the next 2 years.
https://etfdb.com/etfs/issuers/ark/

Over a short 2 year time frame, Covid-19 might still be significant.  It will take years for vaccines to rollout worldwide.  And we don't know how long they last.  If they only last a year, I would expect the same countries who got the initial doses to buy up next year's inventory.

On vaccine news, Moderna (MRNA) doubled last November.  Maybe that's a defensive stock when talking Covid-19.  But so far in 2021, MRNA stock has tripled, so it's a bit expensive.

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I'm not sure how much correlation hiring has with the overall economic longer term outlook but hiring within tech is on fire right now.


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So instead of a "crystal ball", I recommend an anti-crystal approach.  Read Taleb and get some anti-fragility in your portfolio.  My current strategy leans pretty heavily on in the money net debit option spreads.  I'm making hay while the sun is shining and raising cash to deploy in the next 50% crash.  I see cash as a call option on the entire market that never expires.

Can we discuss how this would be done?

So no debt seems a starting point. No leverage/margin, etc. But what else?

blue chip over high growth stocks? dividend stocks, CEF, high bond allocation?

What would antifragility look like in a protfolio?

I know you do a lot of things like puts and calls, but I don't think you can do those in retirement accounts. I pretty much only have retirement account money, so truggling to envision this. I'd certain like to incorporate it....and not sure I could benefit from the book, lol. Not my area, think my eyes would cross and I wouldn't really absorb anything. I need some dumbed down cliff notes.

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Are you looking for actionable market timing strategies or just to better understand how markets work?

Because the more you understand how markets work, the less inclined you will be to try and predict them.

That doesn't mean doing nothing, it means having an overall, longterm investment strategy that you are comfortable with no matter what the market does.

@Malcat...merely to understand.  investment strategy stays same.  Im studying the thing only.  Possibly would consider getting into option in a small way.

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If we're only talking 1-2 years (not long term), maybe Covid-19 will continue to have a significant influence?

Kathie Wood's ARK ETFs are lagging the market so far in 2021.  It seems like she can't accurately predict the 1 year time frame.  Maybe she's right long term, but that's certainly beyond the next 2 years.
https://etfdb.com/etfs/issuers/ark/

Over a short 2 year time frame, Covid-19 might still be significant.  It will take years for vaccines to rollout worldwide.  And we don't know how long they last.  If they only last a year, I would expect the same countries who got the initial doses to buy up next year's inventory.

On vaccine news, Moderna (MRNA) doubled last November.  Maybe that's a defensive stock when talking Covid-19.  But so far in 2021, MRNA stock has tripled, so it's a bit expensive.

Maybe Kathy's main ability is to attract more business into her fund by advertising a bullish sentiment?...where right or wrong.....

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So instead of a "crystal ball", I recommend an anti-crystal approach.  Read Taleb and get some anti-fragility in your portfolio.  My current strategy leans pretty heavily on in the money net debit option spreads.  I'm making hay while the sun is shining and raising cash to deploy in the next 50% crash.  I see cash as a call option on the entire market that never expires.

Can we discuss how this would be done?

So no debt seems a starting point. No leverage/margin, etc. But what else?

blue chip over high growth stocks? dividend stocks, CEF, high bond allocation?

What would antifragility look like in a protfolio?

I know you do a lot of things like puts and calls, but I don't think you can do those in retirement accounts. I pretty much only have retirement account money, so truggling to envision this. I'd certain like to incorporate it....and not sure I could benefit from the book, lol. Not my area, think my eyes would cross and I wouldn't really absorb anything. I need some dumbed down cliff notes.

Taleb made several suggestions but noted his own investment strategy is cash equivalents for 90% and long calls for the rest.  A more nuanced version of that is here: https://fourweekmba.com/barbell-strategy-taleb/

You can totally do options in tax advantaged accounts.  You can't go "naked" or use any type of leverage though.



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What would antifragility look like in a protfolio?
I liked Larry Swedroe's treatment of the topic, where I think he aimed for 70% bonds and 30% small cap value.  Personally, I don't think small cap value can be counted on to outperform the overall market, but Swedroe has more experience than I do:
https://www.amazon.com/Reducing-Risk-Black-Swans-Volatility-ebook/dp/B07BDPSR7X/


Kathie Wood's ARK ETFs are lagging the market so far in 2021.  It seems like she can't accurately predict the 1 year time frame.  Maybe she's right long term, but that's certainly beyond the next 2 years.
https://etfdb.com/etfs/issuers/ark/
Maybe Kathy's main ability is to attract more business into her fund by advertising a bullish sentiment?...where right or wrong.....
Her largest holding was TSLA, with a 3 year performance of 120% per year ... that's got to help.  ARKK inflows over the past year was +14.38 B, and in the last 3 months -592 M.  Whatever the hype, so far the money seems to stay with her ETFs.
https://etfdb.com/etf/ARKK/#fund-flows

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So instead of a "crystal ball", I recommend an anti-crystal approach.  Read Taleb and get some anti-fragility in your portfolio.  My current strategy leans pretty heavily on in the money net debit option spreads.  I'm making hay while the sun is shining and raising cash to deploy in the next 50% crash.  I see cash as a call option on the entire market that never expires.

Can we discuss how this would be done?

So no debt seems a starting point. No leverage/margin, etc. But what else?

blue chip over high growth stocks? dividend stocks, CEF, high bond allocation?

What would antifragility look like in a protfolio?

I know you do a lot of things like puts and calls, but I don't think you can do those in retirement accounts. I pretty much only have retirement account money, so truggling to envision this. I'd certain like to incorporate it....and not sure I could benefit from the book, lol. Not my area, think my eyes would cross and I wouldn't really absorb anything. I need some dumbed down cliff notes.

Taleb made several suggestions but noted his own investment strategy is cash equivalents for 90% and long calls for the rest.  A more nuanced version of that is here: https://fourweekmba.com/barbell-strategy-taleb/

You can totally do options in tax advantaged accounts.  You can't go "naked" or use any type of leverage though.

Thanks, when I had looked before I always got - this account is not approved for options trading, looking into it more, I needed to apply to do so, so it looks like I can. They asked a lot of questions! net worth, income, goals, etc. kind of invasive I thought! Let me do what I want with my money, no?

Anywho, seems like I will be approved/am approved pending the process completion. Seems like I now have a lot of new stuff to learn.

But if I've been reading your posts correctly, you can maintain a large growth protfolio and use options to hedge against the downturn, rather than large amounts of cash/bonds. So will need to investigate how to accomplish that and what the costs involved might be.

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What would antifragility look like in a protfolio?
I liked Larry Swedroe's treatment of the topic, where I think he aimed for 70% bonds and 30% small cap value.  Personally, I don't think small cap value can be counted on to outperform the overall market, but Swedroe has more experience than I do:
https://www.amazon.com/Reducing-Risk-Black-Swans-Volatility-ebook/dp/B07BDPSR7X/

70% bond allocation, obviously not seeking much growth there.  Wonder how that portfolio does in period of high inflation, or perhaps his game is that long thats irrelvant to him.

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4. Inflation could weaken the dollar and make USA exports more attractive, which helps USA in ongoing trade war with China.
It depends... The value of a currency is set by those living outside the currency.

That is mostly but not entirely true. There are countries where the locals don't trust the currency and turn it into other things (gold, real estate, foreign currency, equities, etc) as fast as they can. If that happened to the USD that certainly wouldn't help the situation.

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Dalio, Burry and others say equity is wayover priced and we are in a bubble.  Cathy Woods say otherwise. 

If Dalio's 'debt cycle' has any meaning, surely we are approaching a massive recession, even if delayed by current QI and policy...even for a few years.....
I also find Dalio's theory fascinating, but it plays out over the course of decades and generations, not the next few years. We are always and always have been "approaching a massive recession". As someone who has lived in the declining US, I can attest that it always looks like the wheels are going to fall off any second now. It looks like that every day, and has always looked like that every day. This provides fodder for "financial journalists" to write about how the markets "could" crash for all these very good reasons. The reasons are always good.

You are correct. But perhaps the 100% VTI mindset of some folks around here will turn out to be overly optimistic of the USA. IDK, I can't see the future.

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Could go either way, Cathie vs Burry. I am prepared for both outcomes.

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This article is worth a mention here.

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/22576069/inflation-1970s-volcker-powell-federal-reserve

I'm curious what happens in the food markets longer term.

There have been a lot of meaningful impacts into the supply  chains as well as weather this year impacting things.

Guess time will tell.

They talk about how the turmoil in food markets was a factor in the 70s and not now, but... we'll see.