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Investing in Privately Owned Real Estate Company
« on: February 18, 2024, 03:13:17 PM »
Hi, I'm currently about 90% invested in the S&P500 and 10% into QQQ. I have a friend who mentioned that they've invested and seen good results with investing in a privately owned real estate company and I was wondering if anyone has any experience with investing in something like this?  The company I am looking at is called SRM development. Ideally I would like to branch out into owning some kind of real estate without actually being a landlord. This seemed like potentially a good way to do that.

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Re: Investing in Privately Owned Real Estate Company
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2024, 06:01:12 PM »
Things I would want to know:

How liquid is it, can I get my money back any time or only at certain times of the year.

How is my position/shares valued and by whom, if I want to get out does the company pay what they say it's valued at or do I have to sell it to another investor and at what price?

Personally I stay away from private deals.  I only use publicly traded REITs, they are available for industrial buildings, apartments, medical, retail sales etc.

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Re: Investing in Privately Owned Real Estate Company
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2024, 07:12:59 PM »
Unless I knew the company personally and was in the real estate space already, I would skip the private deals and stick with publicly traded options, if I were interested in that, which I’m not.  I’d rather just own stocks, and if I really decided I want real estate, I’d jump into something like a self storage facility at some point, but probably not. 

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Re: Investing in Privately Owned Real Estate Company
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2024, 08:26:37 AM »
Hi, I'm currently about 90% invested in the S&P500 and 10% into QQQ. I have a friend who mentioned that they've invested and seen good results with investing in a privately owned real estate company and I was wondering if anyone has any experience with investing in something like this?  The company I am looking at is called SRM development. Ideally I would like to branch out into owning some kind of real estate without actually being a landlord. This seemed like potentially a good way to do that.
Someone said "good results."  Is that all?

You don't own REITs and have never been a landlord.  How will you know what to ask?

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Re: Investing in Privately Owned Real Estate Company
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2024, 08:41:19 AM »
There's been A LOT of bad press about these types of companies where I am over the past several years. Some of them folded because they were investing with just terrible fundamentals in terms of their approach.

I was trying to invest in rentals at the time and I was up against these companies and they were spending batshit money on properties that were NOT good investments, but they needed inventory. They weren't really vetting the properties, weren't ever inspecting them, and were over-paying, quite aggressively.

Because of their business model, they had to get their capital out the door and into properties so much faster than a small time investor ever would. So when the businesses collapsed, the investors lost their money, but the people who made money off of the fees didn't.

Make sure you thoroughly understand the investing fundamentals of the business, not just what the returns look like on paper.

This company didn't invest in the area where I was buying, but their MO was identical to the companies that I was up against. I was buying in a region where there was a lot of potential to make money on rentals AND flips, it was a great location to invest, but not if you skipped inspections because the buildings were very old, heritage buildings that can be extremely costly to repair.

It was difficult for me to be able to even put in an offer because these companies would offer huge over-asking bids with no conditions, often before I could even book a showing. The investing principles were just off, but they had to deploy their capital very aggressively, and on paper, these properties looked "good."

My real estate agent was very well connected and was able to find out through his buddies in the industry the state of some of these properties, which were just lawsuits waiting to happen. One that I actually managed to bid on and inspect was a 70+ page inspection report that was literally terrifying that people lived there. That seller specifically didn't want to sell to one of these companies and picked my bid despite it being low because I made it clear that I wanted to restore the place.

After I bailed because it was an expensive death-trap, he re-listed and sold over asking to an investment company that didn't bother inspecting, and didn't bother purchasing my inspection for half-price either. But the numbers on paper looked good, so their investors would have been happy.

Until someone falls through the soggy bathroom floor into the pooling feces in the crawl-space underneath...

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatoon/epic-company-collapses-real-estate-500-homes-1.6399770

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Re: Investing in Privately Owned Real Estate Company
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2024, 08:41:32 AM »
So...  Privately held = don't take your friends word for it.   BUT rather, dig in and actually get financial information, what markets they are in.  What sectors are they supporting, what is their....   

You get the point.  There are a LOT, and I do mean a LOT of questions you need to ask when investing in a private anything.  Don't take a "They did well for me" explanation, cause well.. Wework worked out well for a lot of early investors many of whom.... got out.  The rest of em, well, didn't do so well. 

So my advice, look into that private company and determine a whole lot of info about it before even looking at what you could invest.  It could be an Apple, or a Wework or... I suppose there a lot of companies out there you'll never hear about whom either fail or do ok for their investors (ie investors aren't losing money but not really making it either).  I suspect your not looking for that type of risk.

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Re: Investing in Privately Owned Real Estate Company
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2024, 09:17:39 AM »
So...  Privately held = don't take your friends word for it.   BUT rather, dig in and actually get financial information, what markets they are in.  What sectors are they supporting, what is their....   

You get the point.  There are a LOT, and I do mean a LOT of questions you need to ask when investing in a private anything.  Don't take a "They did well for me" explanation, cause well.. Wework worked out well for a lot of early investors many of whom.... got out.  The rest of em, well, didn't do so well. 

So my advice, look into that private company and determine a whole lot of info about it before even looking at what you could invest.  It could be an Apple, or a Wework or... I suppose there a lot of companies out there you'll never hear about whom either fail or do ok for their investors (ie investors aren't losing money but not really making it either).  I suspect your not looking for that type of risk.

A LOT of companies make great money for investors...for awhile.

Some of them are pyramid scams (see just about every MLM that makes a lot of people a lot of money at the expense of the majority of "investors"), but some are just businesses with terrible financial strategies.

In the market where I own a rental property, the market conditions were, in fact, fucking amazing for making money, but by nature, they were temporary, and you needed to actually understand the local market to make sense of *why* the numbers were the way they were.

When an investment opportunity looks really good, there are only three reasons:
1: it's temporary and the market conditions will change in response
2: it's has significant barriers/risks that require expertise to navigate
3: both

Where I bought, the conditions were AMAZING to make money, but boots-on-the-ground local expertise was critical, and the conditions changed so rapidly that by the time I closed on my first property, the conditions weren't favourable enough to be worth the risks/hassles.

Property prices were rising too fast, and because of this, all of the slumlords took the opportunity to offload their trash properties.

Anyone who bought a bunch of units around the time that I did could make themselves look like an investing genius, and then attract investors into a market that was no longer worth buying in, but could easily look good on paper for a solid year or two after before the wheels started falling off.

We also can't lock in mortgage rates here, so all of those "good" numbers will fall apart very soon as the mortgages come up for renewal.

Whenever an investment looks really good, you need to understand why to ever understand the real risk.

As index investors, we understand the fundamentals of "why" our index funds are producing the returns, on average, that they do.

But when we get into investing in individual companies, the "why" becomes quite opaque, often even inside those companies. Very few people can actually see the deck of cards that prop up a lot of companies' numbers.

My experience as a business consultant is that shady/poorly planned practices are more the norm than the exception, so I'm extremely wary of putting faith in individual companies.

I've been privy to the inside operations of enough "highly respected" companies in my time and seen absolute train wrecks to have much faith in reputation as an indicator of best practices, lol.