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My understanding is long term capital gains less than $44,000 does not incur federal tax - but when I look at past filed tax forms, it seems to be fold it into adjusted gross income on 1040. 

Shouldn't they be eliminated it from the gross income?   I can't see how they are calculating the actual tax owed. 

It doesn't help me to know the tax brackets for different investments if I can't even understand how this is being applied on the tax form.  I think I need the idiot's guide to 1040.  It all seems hidden behind the curtain like the wizard of oz.


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Re: If capital gain is 0% taxed, why is it my tax AGI including it?
« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2023, 05:25:48 PM »
Capital gains are a part of AGI, and are "stacked" on top of your earned income. I think this is a nice visual way of looking at your taxes:

https://engaging-data.com/tax-brackets/

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Re: If capital gain is 0% taxed, why is it my tax AGI including it?
« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2023, 07:47:40 PM »
My understanding is long term capital gains less than $44,000 does not incur federal tax - but when I look at past filed tax forms, it seems to be fold it into adjusted gross income on 1040. 

Shouldn't they be eliminated it from the gross income?   I can't see how they are calculating the actual tax owed. 

It doesn't help me to know the tax brackets for different investments if I can't even understand how this is being applied on the tax form.  I think I need the idiot's guide to 1040.  It all seems hidden behind the curtain like the wizard of oz.

Long term gains are taxed at 0% *if* your other income plus the capital gains minus your standard deduction is under the top of the 0% bracket.

LTCG are included in AGI and taxable income, because they are taxed - it's just that the tax rate is 0%.  If you look at the 1040 instructions for how to calculate the tax on line 16, you'll see that if you have capital gains or qualified dividends to use a worksheet to calculate your tax.  The worksheet is a full page and rather complicated, but it basically applies ordinary brackets to ordinary income and capital gains brackets to capital gains.  (You can see a version of the worksheet on page 36 of the 2022 instructions at https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/i1040gi.pdf.  There's a similar but slightly different on in the Schedule D instructions I think.)

If you're using tax software, it's filling out the worksheet for you behind the scenes.  Most tax software probably has a way to look at and/or print the worksheet if you want to dive into the gory details.

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Re: If capital gain is 0% taxed, why is it my tax AGI including it?
« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2023, 04:09:45 PM »
My understanding is long term capital gains less than $44,000 does not incur federal tax - but when I look at past filed tax forms, it seems to be fold it into adjusted gross income on 1040. 

Shouldn't they be eliminated it from the gross income?   I can't see how they are calculating the actual tax owed. 

It doesn't help me to know the tax brackets for different investments if I can't even understand how this is being applied on the tax form.  I think I need the idiot's guide to 1040.  It all seems hidden behind the curtain like the wizard of oz.

Long term gains are taxed at 0% *if* your other income plus the capital gains minus your standard deduction is under the top of the 0% bracket.

LTCG are included in AGI and taxable income, because they are taxed - it's just that the tax rate is 0%.  If you look at the 1040 instructions for how to calculate the tax on line 16, you'll see that if you have capital gains or qualified dividends to use a worksheet to calculate your tax.  The worksheet is a full page and rather complicated, but it basically applies ordinary brackets to ordinary income and capital gains brackets to capital gains.  (You can see a version of the worksheet on page 36 of the 2022 instructions at https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/i1040gi.pdf.  There's a similar but slightly different on in the Schedule D instructions I think.)

If you're using tax software, it's filling out the worksheet for you behind the scenes.  Most tax software probably has a way to look at and/or print the worksheet if you want to dive into the gory details.

Well said. I'm pretty sure this was why in the 2012 election, Barack Obama was asking for Mitt Romney to release 1 more year back of his taxes. Romney's wife had been sick, and he stepped away from working, so possibly had $0.00 in earned income.